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were saying essentially they want to see the police in this community in a positive way. not in the way that we saw with freddie gray. >> all right. toure and joy reid great reporting on the ground from baltimore. thanks so much for helping us out on "the ed show." that is "the ed show." and "politics nation" starts right now. >> thanks for tuning in. we begin with the breaking news moments ago the family of freddie gray responded to the charges against six baltimore police officers accused in his death. >> we are satisfied with today's charges. these charges are an important step in getting justice for freddyfred freddie freddie. remember, without justice, there's no peace, but let us have peace in the pursuit of justice. >> those comments just hours after this announcement from baltimore state attorney marilyn
mosby. >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we received today, has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges. >> today mosby stressed that her office had done an independent investigation. she laid out in devastating detail how officers allegedly illegally arrested freddie gray failed to put a seat belt on him and neglected to get him medical attention even when it was obvious he needed it. >> upon arrival in the transport wagon driven by officer caesar goodson lieutenant rice officer nero and officer miller loaded mr. gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seat belt while in the wagon,
contrary to a bpd general order. following transport from baker street, mr. gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the bpd wagon. by the time officer zachary novak, sergeant white and an unknown officer attempted to remove mr. gray from the wagon, mr. gray was no longer breathing at all. a medic was finally called to the scene whereupon arrival the medic determined that mr. gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured. >> the six officers face different charges, ranging from second-degree murder to involuntary manslaughter to assault. they are facing from 20 years to 63 years in jail. led associated press is reporting that all six officers are in custody, and state's attorney mosby spoke directly to
all of those who have marched and protested since freddie gray's death. >> to the people of baltimore and the demonstrators across america, i heard your call for no justice, no peace. your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. >> and tonight there are people marching again through the streets of baltimore and other cities. the challenge now to take the movement with a message, a specific purpose marching towards specific goals to improve the community. joining me now is congressman elijah cummings democrat from maryland, and i want to say i feel he's shown extraordinary leadership throughout this crisis in baltimore. he's been out there at curfews, calling for peace and for people to go home. congressman, thank you for being here.
>> i'm glad to be with you, reverend. >> so what's your reaction to these charges? >> reverend, i was surprised that the charges came out today. i had said at 7:00 this morning on another show that i believe in marilyn mosby. she is a person who lives in my community. she is a friend and somebody i think highly of. she's a distinguished lawyer, by the way, a graduate of tuskegee university, and her record is impeccable. her pursuit of excellence and everybody is aware of it. we elected her to do the job that she's doing, and she's doing it extremely well and i have full faith. i said this this morning before i knew anything that i had full faith and confidence that she would look at all the evidence that she then presented and i determined whether or not she needed additional information. she knew she had the full weight of the fbi and the boston city
police department behind her and that she would take the law, size it up with the facts and make the determination that was right, just appropriate. and i said that no matter what she decided, because i believe in her, that she would make the right decision and that's even before i knew what she was going to decide. >> i think you said and i've been down there with other civil rights leaders and our chapters and all, one of the things that i think is important that you touched on i -- i hear people who are giving credit to this and that and even the marches, civil rights people but the first credit goes to the people that voted and elected a state prosecutor who would look at the evidence fair. i don't think we can forget she was elected by the people there, and she -- >> that's right. >> -- did her job there. >> that's exactly right, reverend. a lot of the young people that you see protesting peacefully hear in baltimore. they were the ones that came out and elected her, and, of course
she had a wide cross-section of the city electing her, and -- and the thing about it, rev, is that she clearly knows who freddie is. >> right. >> in other words, she -- she looked at him as a human being, and i said today that -- that -- by the way, at his funeral i said did you see him? did anybody ever see this young man as a young fellow trying to be somebody, trying to go forward in life? and today, reverend she saw him, and she did what she thought to be appropriate. >> now, you hear the -- the police unions saying she has a conflict and she should step aside, they want a special prosecutor. how do you respond to that? >> i say to them that they obviously don't know marilyn mosby. they don't know about her integrity. they don't know that if she had thought otherwise she would not have charged them. for her to do this she had to
truly believe that this was -- that it was appropriate. keep in mind reverend i have practiced criminal law for many years. >> right. >> and i have not seen a prosecutor lay out their case like she did. she took it from "a" to "z" to show why she was doing what she was do and she was completely transparent. she had already done her own investigation. >> right. >> so, i mean i -- i think they should be confident that they will receive justice and that's part of our system. that's the way the american system works. and for so many people the system of justice never seems to begin. at least it's gotten started in this case. >> now, what is the mood in the streets? you've been out there every day you've been out on the barricades at curfew time. what's the mood there tonight, congressman? >> i think people feel relieved and they appear to be pleased, that they finally see that you know, like i said somebody told
me a few minutes ago,un young person said mr. cummings, when we were demonstrating, we never believed that the things that we were doing might result in something that was appropriate and right, and they said well you know we're just glad to see that justice is moving forward, period. and so i think people are relieved. >> i think you're right. congressman elijah cummings, thank you for your time tonight and for your leadership. >> thank you, reverend. >> now i want to bring in msnbc's joy reid. joy, you've been talking to people all day. what are they saying? >> well i can tell you, rev, first of all, not what they are saying but what they have been doing. people across the street behind me chanting literally all day, cars going by honking, people waving out of the cars putting up their fists out of the cars waving bandanas and t-shirts and just a jubilant atmosphere. i can tell you there's more little kids out here than i've
seen in the four days that we've been here. people are out here with their children. very happy mood. the men of phi si just did a walk here and people here say this is the beginning of justice. they know this is not finished. not all are confident in the ultimate outcome, but they feel really gratified to see justice move forward. they believe they have been heard by their elected officials, including miss mosby. nick mosby was walking around here and people were giving him hugs. they were a part of this community, as is elijah cummings.
>> people the are glad to see it. >> joy reid, thank you so much. >> thank you. now, let me brick in our panel, veteran prosecutor paul henderson and legal analyst and i want to thank you all for being here, first of all. >> thanks for having us. >> major franklin what struck you most about the announcement of charges? let me start there. >> yeah. so i think this is a great announcement. i think it's a great opportunity for coming together, but, you know, the fom, fraternal order of police have said that this is a -- can you hear me okay? >> yes, go ahead. i hear you. >> yeah. okay. the fraternal order of police says that this is a rush to judgment. first of all, this is not judgment. this is in no way judgment. this is enough evidence for
charges to be placed probable cause. this is what we do every day in law enforcement when we're working cases. the police officers are citizens first, so just like we do with any other case. probable cause is established while the investigation continues. >> all you need to move forward with a prosecution, and we saw this -- in north charleston not long ago in a police shooting is probably cause. this is not to conclude the case when it goes to trial. just enough for probable cause. >> probable cause. the officers will get their day in court just like any other citizens who have been charged with a crime. state's attorney mosby has that probable cause. you know. there was no probable cause to arrest freddie gray. that's false arrest and there's probable cause, you know regarding the due care. he wasn't seat belted in. there were many opportunities to render aid to mr. gray and his
calls for service went ignored. >> paul isn't that critical paul that not only did the prosecutor deal with what she says did and did not occur in the actual vehicle, but she said that the actual arrest and taken into custody of mr. gray was illegal. they had no -- they had no grounds to arrest him or take him into custody in the first place. >> that's absolutely relevant and, you know as i have been saying since day one, that is the linchpin in analyzing this case and it goes beyond what we've been hearing from the police officers union talking about the detention. we're not talking about justifiable detention. we're talking about probable cause for arrest and as we've talked about and i pointed out
in the past if the arrest is unjustifiable, there is no justification for what happens beyond that point, and that is a legal distinction that i'm so glad that she made initially as she laid out what the charges would be, and the basis for that which is because there was never probable cause for the arrest in the first place even though there may have been a small knife on mr. gray. that is going to be really important, and that's also why you've seen the expansion beyond not just the review of the officers that made the detention but an examination of the officers that were involved in the arrest and then in the transportation of mr. gray. >> yeah. >> because that's where all the charges are flowing from because everything that happened based on that arrest, that's the problem. that's the real problem. >> let me show the state attorney saying that there is no
probable cause for freddie gray's arrest. let me play that actual statement she made. >> yeah. >> officers miller and nero then placed mr. gray in a seated position and subsequently found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. the blade of the knife was folded into the handle. the knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under maryland law. no crime had been committed by mr. gray. accordingly, lieutenant rice officer miller and officer nero illegally arrested mr. gray. >> now, areva, in their charging documents, the officers wrote that freddie gray had a switchblade. now, what explains this? did the officer just make a mistake? >> unfortunately, rev, they did make a mistake. they made a purposeful misrepresentation trying to give justification for the arrest that was made and i think it's important to -- to distinguish. the supreme court has been clear that in certain high crime areas
police officers can chase, they can cause a suspect to stop have a conversation with them even perhaps search that individual, but if there's nothing there that gives rise to probable cause, they have to say good-bye to that individual let them go on their merry way. they cannot arrest them. in this case what officer miller tried to do was to give justification for arresting mr. gray, therefore, giving justification for everything that happened to him during the transportation. and thank goodness that the state's attorney debunked that statement and showed that statement to be untrue and, unfortunately, in this case we found so many of the statements made by the police to be blatantly untrue. >> now, major franklin i want to play you something else the state's attorney said about freddy gray's arrest. listen to this. >> okay. >> these officers subsequently removed the knife and place it had on the sidewalk. mr. gray was then placed back
down on his stomach at which time mr. gray began to flail his legs and scream as officer miller placed mr. gray in a restraining technique known as a leg lace. while officer nero physically held him down against his will until a bpd wagon arrived to transport mr. gray. >> major, what is a leg lace and is that normal to be used? >> well it's normal to be -- first of all, leg lace is when someone is laying on their belly, and you bring their legs up behind them and cross them and apply pressure forcing those legs down to the buttocks area and that's how you control their legs. that's only used when someone is combative. but, again, you have to have a reason for restraining him. you have to have a reason for placing cuffs on him and arresting him in the first place, and like it has been stated over and over again, there was no probable cause for that arrested. the knife had been removed, and i want to say something about that knife. there is no mistake.
you can't misidentify a knife as being a switchblade if you're a police officer because are you taught to know what a spring-loaded knife is and it was obvious that that was not a spring-loaded knife, therefore not an illegal switchblade so there's no mistake about what was recorded in that report. that has to be intentional. i just want to make a quick comment about the fraternal of police and an opportunity missed here and not just in the community of baltimore needs a time of coming together and healing, but, you know the whole country does surrounding this type of behavior in policing. they missed an opportunity to say to the citizens of this entire country is that we're willing to work with you, yes. we do support officers and their families, but we also support you, the sit sense and we want to come together with you. we want to work with you on doing what is right. they missed that opportunity. >> well, i agree with you. i think that is the responsible thing to do when members in any community and our community are
wrong to say we're wrong here but that doesn't just everyone. i think they had the opportunity to say the same that you said today. we all need to come together and if police are wrong, that doesn't represent all police but to just have an almost knee-jerk reaction does not lead towards healing and does not lead towards bringing people together. major neill franklin, paul henderson and areva martin let me thank all of you for your time tonight. >> thanks so much for having us. coming up, a medical experts weighs in on the freddie gray autopsy, and toys's big news about what happened at the end of that ride in the police van. also keeping our focus, when the tv cameras go away. we'll talk to a preacher who is fighting to rebuild. you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal...
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about baltimore's state attorney marilyn mosby, the prosecutor in the freddie gray case. she just sat down with nbc news and talked about her family's rich history in law enforcement. >> i come from four generations, five generations of police officers. i know and i understand the sacrifice and the commitment the level of commitment that police officers make day in and day out to not only take time away from their families but to sacrifice their lives for the betterment of our communities. >> mosby was elected in november. she's been on the job for just four months and shy's the youngest chief prosecutor of any major u.s. city. she made quite an impression today, quite the impression. we'll be right back with more news from baltimore. so, what brings you to jersey? well, geico's the #1 auto insurer in new jersey, new york and connecticut. so i just came by to say "thanks."
to those of you who wish to engage in brutality, misconduct racism and misdirection let me be clear there is no place in the baltimore city police department for you. >> that's the baltimore mayor talk talking directly to the city police department after the state charged six officers in the death of freddie gray. that announcement prompted an immediate reaction to the streets -- in the streets after days of protests calling for justice. >> freddie! freddie! freddie!
freddie! >> joining mow now is boston city councilman brandon scott. thank you for being here councilman. >> thank you for having me reverend. >> what's your reaction to these charges? >> it's a reaction of what i knew that the state's attorney would do. the state's attorney is young but is very capable, and we knew that she would look at fact and make a decision on the facts and that's what she has done. she's done the job she said she was going to do when she campaigned. she campaigned on this issue. she said she would take this issue very seriously and she's just makeing us all proud by doing what she said she was going to do. it's important rev, to understand this isn't justice or end of justice. it's the beginning. process and folks today, while today they can celebrate be and be happy and they have to understand that this isn't over. folks that are angry shouldn't be angry and folks that are excited shouldn't be as excited and they need to be calm and level-headed and today have you to understand that this issue is far from over. >> i think that you're right, and i think that people are
happy that at least we have an opportunity to see all of the evidence and this is far from over. we saw charges in shaun bell. we saw charges in trayvon martin. it doesn't conclude the case but at least there is a case. >> yes sir, at least you have a chance. >> the state's attorney marilyn mosby, also had a warning for anyone who may be leaking information about the investigation. watch this, councilman. >> and i strongly condemn anyone in law enforcement with access to trial evidence who has leaked information prior to the resolution of this case. you are only damaging our ability to conduct a fair and impartial process for all parties involved. >> how hard will it be to keep information under wraps in this case councillor? >> we know things leak all the time. i said all week long folks have to stop leaking information and i said something to the media. listen, just because you get it,
you note sensitivity of the situation, you know the level of anxiety in our community and note issues going on in our community right now, you have to be very careful about leaking information and it's very hard in a case like this because everybody wants the headline and everyone wants the exclusive, but the people have to think about being a human first and think about this family this city, this town and the police department and the state's attorney. everyone is going toinl -- going to be impacted especially this young man's family. >> the councilman quotes that gray is at least the fifth man to die after police encounters since police commissioner anthony betts took office or has been in charge. there is a distrust between many in the community and police on both sides. how do we repair that relationship? >> we're going to have to start at basics. it will have to start with training and start with policies. some of the policies and laws are outside of the city of baltimore. there are state laws, but also
we'll do some basic stuff, and even before this reverend my local commander and myself have been talking about doing initiatives where cops are the focus for the young people. getting some of the young people in our city become police officers. we always say be the change that you want to see in the world. those are the kinds of things we'll have to do and also we'll have to have an understanding and an understanding that communication is going to be key. i know i'm going to be taking officers to meet with young people, just meeting them and letting them get everything out on both sides so that we can move forward. only way we're going to move forward with these things, if we talk these issues out. yes, we'll have body cameras and all the policy change and we also have a culture change and a mindset change. >> councilman brandon scott, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, sir. >> straight ahead, today the state medical examiner ruled freddie gray's death a homicide. how did they come to that conclusion?
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we're back with the breaking news. six baltimore police officers charged in the death of freddie gray. today the medical examiner handed over gray's autopsy report to the state's attorney. the findings are not public but she talked about how gray was killed. >> the manner of death deemed a homicide by the maryland state medical examiner is believed to be the result of a fatal injury that occurred while mr. gray was unrestrained by a seat belt in the custody of the baltimore police department wagon. >> a fatal injury that occurred
in the police department wagon, so how did the medical examiner determine this was a homicide? well, joining me now is dr. lawrence kobilinski a forensic scientist and professor at john jay college of criminal justice. thank you for being here. >> pleasure. >> the medical examiner handed over the autopsy report today. what medical evidence are you looking for that could prove a homicide, doc? >> well first of all, medical examiner performs an autopsy and tries to determine the cause of death and manner of death. cause of death is a medical explanation for the death. in other words respiratory failure, secondary to the severance of the spinal cord. the manner of death can be one of five categories one of which is accident. another is homicide another is we don't know indetermined so
the medical examiner basically examining the body and listening to the police reports, the police investigation puts it all together and has decided that there is reason to believe it is a homicide. that's not a charge of murder because you can have a justified homicide but it just means death at the hands of another. >> now, here's what the state's attorney said today about how mr. gray was transported in that wagon. he was handcuffed. his legs were put into shackles. he was put into the wagon on his stomach with no seatbelt. what does this tell you about what might have helped cause the fatal injury doctor? >> it seems when you're a prisoner in police custody there's an absolute obligation to protect that person. by failing to seat belt him that was negligent, and i think the police understand and recognize that. on the other hand, the question is what happened to mr. gray?
when did it happen and how did it happen? there were these reports that there was some trauma to the head. >> right. >> that seemed to be a result of him being thrown into the back of the van and hitting a bolt and so that could have been, you know the beginning of the damage to the neck. >> or there could be something else because the day after freddie gray died police held a press conference to talk about his injuries. listen to what they said. >> there was no physical bodily injury that we saw nor was it evident in the autopsy of mr. gray. none of his limbs were broken. he did suffer a very tragic injury to his spinal cord. >> now, is it possible he could have had other injuries or bruises and they cleared up in the week that he was in a coma? >> i -- i really don't think so. when a person is injured and
there's bleeding there's hemorrhage. it takes on a course of recovery. the color changes, for example. it would have still been observable especially in an autopsy. they look for that sort of thing. >> so it's not possible he had any other bumps or bruises? >> i don't think so. i think the outstanding information is the trauma to the head the fractures of the vertebrae, the three vertebrae, and the severance of the spinal cord. >> now in the cell phone video of the arrest a woman screams that there's something wrong with freddie gray's leg, that it looks like it's broken and he's dragged into the van. does this video tell you anything about what might have happened doctor? >> well i think based on that i had come to the conclusion that there was some traumatic event that happened during the takedown. in fact, would i like to see the autopsy so i can get a better understanding of why that was ruled out. the question is where did the
injury to the vertebrae take place? was it during the takedown that struggle, or was it in the van? mean, either one is possible but apparently the medical examiner ruled out first and said the injury took place in the van. >> dr. lawrence kobilinski, thank you very much for your time. >> sure, pleasure. >> straight ahead, marches in baltimore now, but the challenge now to make that movement with a message, a specific purpose. marching towards a specific goal. we'll talk to a preacher who is fighting to rebuild his church and his city. if you misplaced your discover card you can now use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com. bring us your aching... and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested and ready to enjoy the morning ahead. aleve pm. the first to combine a sleep aid...
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>> it was a heartbreaking loss a senior center being built in east baltimore that burned down in the riots monday night. it was supposed to be the new heart of the neighborhood. it's now gone. at a summit yesterday in baltimore faith leaders and civil rights leaders promised to help the pastor behind this project to rebuild. joining me now is that pastor reverend dante hickman of southern baptist church. thank you for being here, first of all. >> thank you reverend sharpton for having me. >> pastor there's been an incredible outpouring of support. what does that mean to you and your congregation, and tell people what it was that you were doing with this center. >> we were having a center built for 60 senior housing facilities, for low-income seniors with a transformation center and with workforce
development and initiatives for teenagers. behavioral counseling and rebuilding services to help empower the residents that are forgotten about by the city and other planners. it was faith that said on monday night while it was in the fire that this was going to be rebuilt, and throughout the course of that week we received so much love from around the world and from our faith leaders and even from you, reverend sharpton, that has helped us to get our footing. we're delayed but not ultimately destroyed. our development team has told us we'll be about four months behind, and before the summer of 2016 we'll have that facility. >> now, had you told me earlier on my radio show that this area had nothing like this coming up for a long time that you were really -- it's not as if in some cities you were won block and there was another center a couple blocks away. you were really going to be the anchor of that kind of service
and that area. >> absolutely. this area had experienced disinvestment and dilapidation for over three decades. nobody wanted to invest. johns hopkins university cut their development off at the train tracks and they had caused displacement of thousands of residents and gentrification and nobody had a plan for this area. the southern baptist church being in the community for 80 years said the church can't just build a mega church building without having affordable housing and mixed use property development so we made it our business to invest and find partners that would do what was needed to transform the community. >> now, i understand you were out in the community working, trying to deal with the protest and the violence on monday night when you got word that your center itself was being burned down. tell us what happened and how you reacted. >> when the riots came and i saw it on the news after the funeral, i went quickly to new shiloh, and in the office of
pastors i told them that we have to get out into the streets to real for peace, to be a ministry of presence. and while we were out there coordinating that effort marching and actually having success, i got a call that there was a fire at gay and chester, and i rushed right over to see ten gulfed in flames and immediately i thought this couldn't be someone in the community because they knew the heart of southern baptist church and the only church that would invest in that area, and so it had to be somebody that was insensitive to the relationship but we didn't focus on the negative. we turned it around, and we said we would be positive and rebuild for the kingdom of god and the benefit of that community. >> so now as people are seemingly very happy that at least the process of justice is starting, there's also the effort to rebuild and not forget the damage that was done monday night with those that got violent, and i think that building on parallel tracks or
rebuilding is almost symbolic and very hopeful, and the attitude you've displayed has been nothing short of inspiring. >> we -- we have to change the narrative. after the riots of 1968 we were able to gain our rights but we forgot about rebuilding in our urban centers, and these riots in 2015 our testament has we have to rise from the ashes. if we can rebuild iraq then we ought to be able to rebuild the urban centers in america, and we want east baltimore to be a pilot case for what can happen in detroit, in ferguson and in every city in america. >> those viewers that want to get in touch with your church and see the efforts and be helpful, how do they do that pastor? >> southernbaptistchurch.org and scroll to the mary harvin transformation initiatives and
they with sow to the revitalization of then tire community and we'll take it back one block at a time. >> pastor dante hickman, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank reverend. still ahead the family of freddie gray have been calling for peace from the start. today they responded to the new charges. also the stories you maybe haven't heard about from this historic week in baltimore. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks.] right on cue. [cat meows] [laughs] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow...♪ ♪meow, meow, meow, meow...♪ it's more than just a meal it's meow mix mealtime. with 100% complete and balanced nutrition and the taste, textures and variety cats love, it's the only one cats ask for by name. across america people, like basketball
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tonight in baltimore we must not forget freddie gray and his family. freddie gray was just 25 years old. he had a twin sister. friends had described him as friendly and funny, but at 25 he was trying to figure his life out. we also need to remember his family. since his death, his mother and others of his loved ones have had to stay strong in the face of public scrutiny. they participated in a peaceful march, leading a group of protesters to where freddy was initially picked up. they grieved at his funeral while the whole world watched and while there was still no answers on what happened to their son. his family repeatedly condemned the rioting that broke out in baltimore on monday and called
for an end to the violence. >> can you all please please stop the violence. freddie gray would not want this. freddie freddie's father and mother does not want violence. violence does not get justice. >> all the violence and destruction, i am really aplauld appalled appalled. >> i want you to get justice for my son but don't do it like this year. don't tear up the city, just for him, it's wrong. >> so as we close out the week think about freddie gray and his family. joining me now is marilyn state senator lisa gladden. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> what has freddie gray's family meant to the community this week? >> i think what happened was freddie gray's family is now we have a mission and a purpose to make baltimore better and i
think that we can do that because the family has spoken and the family has lost and so has the city of baltimore. i think that we have an ability to do great things and we can do that now that we are organized and we know what our mission is. >> you know senator, as i spent the days there talking with the mayor, talking with activists and talking about the family and i've been in these cases for deck decades. regular people show an extraordinary strength. these people didn't plan on a public career like you or me or whoever, and they showed extraordinary strength. i think people see themselves and their families which also gives them further energy and passion to fight. >> that's correct. i mean, i think you're exactly right. ordinary people are doing extraordinary things and they are doing it because they love not just their families but they lost city and they love the city of baltimore. i believe that we will see
incredible changes in urban areas but particularly in baltimore city. >> i think it also shows the great strength to many of us. it's an issue it's a cause. to them it's their son, that's their brother. it's their loved one, and they have got to carry that pain. >> yes. >> and still rise above it and say let's do this in the right way. >> and they will, and that's exactly right because every time you saw freddie gray or you saw his picture, you said that my cousin. that's my uncle. that's my brother, and we knew, that and because we saw the -- not just association of who -- who he was, but we also saw the mission and what the cause might be and we knew that that cause i think would be something to treasure and that would be something to make our city stronger and better. >> and -- and now it's up to those that are going to court to go the next lap. this is the beginning.
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city. images like this police officer hugging a young protester during a march, or this street performer taking tips to donate to freddie gray's family. there was the baltimore symphony orchestra who thought we all go use a little music in our lives and brought their free show to the street. ♪ ♪ playing "star spangled banner ♪ >> images from across the city showed neighbors coming out to help clean up in the aftermath of riots, including this 2-year-old little girl with a broom in her hand. there was this young man handing out bottles of water to police officers and a police officer fist bumping a young man riding
his bike. these images are what baltimore is truly all about. the vast majority of both protesters and police officers are good and just want what's best for the community, and despite setbacks the mayor told me this week the people of baltimore will not let this define them. >> this is not the baltimore that i know and love, the rioting and the looting and the damage that was done and we're work very hard use all of the resources that we have including the tool of the curfew, to get things back to normal. they say you rise like a phoenix, but it's baltimore so i say we're going to soar like a raven. >> soar like a raven, the mayor told us. well i hope that baltimore does. i hope the nation does because out of struggles, yes, there comes pain. yes, there comes inconvenience, but you go through whatever
inconvenience and pain to make gain and progress. you don't become obsessed with the pain and start glorifying the discomfort and we must take all that we've had to deal with in the last several months and transform this country with it and make it a better place. we must not become part of the hostilities that we fight. on either sides of the debate and either sides of the argument. let us not forget that in this particular case an african-american young woman, 35 years old, made charges today, announced them as the elected state attorney in a city where an african-american woman is the mayor. it was people that fought that made their holding office possible.
that's why i cannot give way to pessimism and dismay because every day i'm seeing results of people that fought before us and if we keep fighting progress is within reach. it's in our hands if we are mature enough to grasp it. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. >> charges in baltimore. indictments in new jersey. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm steve karnky in for chris matthews. we'll get to the indictments in bridgegate scandal in new jersey for a moment but we begin with the stunning news from baltimore's top prosecutors that six police officers there have been charged in the death of