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baltimore. we'll get to the supreme court case in a moment. right now we're just outside the senior center engulfed in a three alarm fire last night. you can see the ambers letting up flares behind me. residents were devastated by the chaos that rocked the city. people are putting on a brave face as they step out to clean up. you can see we're looking at live aerials from wbal where there's still some chaotic scenes going on with people gathering together. not sure exactly what's going to happen with that group that is organized right there. i had an opportunity to hang out with a group of citizens spending their time today cleaning up. this was after a night full of violence and looting. now it's questioning the motives of the protestors. >> i understand why they're here what they're doing, but why can't it be peaceful and get your word out there?
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now everything you was fighting for, it's not going to make no difference not going to make no sense. >> meanwhile, moments ago the president in a joint news conference with the japanese prime minister addressed the situation here. >> when individuals get crowbars and star prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. they're not making a statement. they're stealing. >> they are stealing. that's what the president said. let's walk you through the latest developments about an hour ago. the maryland governor larry hogan spoke to the media reassuring the public that the state is helping in any way it can. >> the immediate need is restore calm and peace to the city make people feel safe. i think we're well on our way to getting that accomplished. there are no more fires burning, no more looting be going on. you see a tremendous presence on the streets now which we didn't
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see yesterday. >> reporter: it is a tremendous presence on the street of the national guard as well as police. a state of emergency remains in effect for the city. as i said, the national guard was also on the ground. they were activated yesterday to help police in the city wide curfew. this is going to go in effect beginning tonight. it was announced last evening that it was going to start this evening and last for at least one week. baltimore orioles postponed tonight's game once again. they did the same last night. baltimore city public schools are closed for the day. classes at johns hopkins university in the city were cancelled. all of this just hours after 25-year-old freddie gray was laid to rest in what was described as a beautiful service. the associated press reporting 144 vehicle fires, 15 structure fires, nearly 200 arrests due to the violence that broke out
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after gray's funeral. 15 officers were also injured. as the city tries to stem the violence people are questioning the city's response. baltimore's mayor defending her own action this is morning. >> we work swiftly. it's a delicate balancing act when we have to make sure we're managing but not increasing and escalating the problem. >> reporter: so we are covering every angle of this story with reporters on the ground. i'm going to be joined by community leaders in baltimore city as well as young community leaders wondering what they do now. they do have a plan. i'm going to talk to them about that. a lot of questions today about how this happened how the city moves on from here especially now that a we have the curfew going tonight at 10:00 p.m. >> absolutely. some people are asking questions. some say one of the things that has to happen there's got to be
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opportunity for young people those that felt frustrated to erupt violence last night, to find hope. people told me today they felt that action was manifestation of hopelessness among young people in the city. this is a city 63% african-american, 37% of children in this city live in poverty. more than 80% of kids qualify for free and reduced lunch in the city. we've got kids understand educatededge -- kids uneducated unemployed and no hope. >> reporter: the president saying he knows what everybody would do if we addressed this as a country, if there was the political muscle to get behind this to make change and the investment in education and economic change here in baltimore because this is a city -- this isn't new. this didn't happen overnight. what is a beautiful -- this is my hometown -- what is a
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beautiful city this blight did not occur overnight. >> absolutely not. the governor said one of his top priorities is to bring jobs in this city. people you talk to wonder will they be eligible for those jobs? will they have a work force that can apply for those jobs and be accepted to those jobs? a lot of these kids have criminal records. once you get a criminal record, you can't get a job. they would like to see the politics change around that so again there would be hope. that's what i was hear ago when i moved from east baltimore where we are now to west baltimore which was a fire point last night. >> reporter: it's been amazing to see today. i've been on the ground several hours. to get out there and meet with groups that have come together to clean, take to the corners with brooms and rakes and put on gloves and get in the thick of it. >> absolutely. >> and clean up this community. they're frustrated at seeing what happened on television last night. at seeing the city under this chaotic rule. they refuse to be overtaken by
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this small element. that's what it is. they wanted to make sure everybody knows this is a small element of people that are taking advantage of a crisis. >> yeah they didn't wait for the city sanitation trucks to get to their locations. they came out residents, armed with their brooms and plastic bags to clean up their neighborhood. the city i guess brought in the dump truck. they loaded these piles of track and debris onto those trucks. even an 8-year-old child i spoke to in front of that cvs had a broom. i said why are you out here? he said i want to bring my community back to what is was. an 8-year-old. he's getting the message that the image of people rioting is not the image he wants to be identified with. he wants to be part of the change. >> i saw a lot of people out with kids with brooms in hand. different organizations showing up to give water to crews that are out and trying to take on this effort of cleaning up. these certain stores that were
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attacked by looters. they're staples for communities for people to get meds diapers, go shopping and get food for themselves. now they're being boarded up. they're completely closed until further notice. >> we saw a woman just crying, weeping in front of the burned out cvs store. now she doesn't have a pharmacy. a man standing saying where am i going to get my pharmaceuticals for my baby my infant when sick? this is the pharmacy i would go to provide medicine. where am i going now? he doesn't have a car to figure out what a to do. lots of frustration about last night. people are sad and angry. a lot of people said to me they understand why it happened. they're unhappy about it, but they understand why. >> they understand why. while dealing with frustration, they also want to make sure -- this is what everybody kept
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saying to me -- we want you to report on the hope. we don't want you to just report on frustration. we're a still of hope. thank you very much. it's a remarkable change of events in baltimore. this is our topic for you today of bing pulse. we want to know if you think the baltimore riots will galvanize change? head to pulse.msnbc.com. keep voting throughout the show. we want you to weigh in on the other poll. will the baltimore riotser hamper the freddie gray investigation? he was arrested april 12th and then he was abusedd allegedly in police custody so bad he died a week later. many store owners are trying to pick up the pieces from their badly damaged businesses today.
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>> this is jolly's which is a staple for the community of san town. we've been hearing from everybody that lives here that this corner shop is where everybody in the community typically comes. it's been a staple in this community because other local convenient stores and shops have been shut down. look at it now as they try to board up the front. this is work they've been doing around the city all day. if you go inside, it's the smell of things burned you can see destroyed shelves, ripped out atm machines. it's been through the ringer. i wanted to walk you around this store and take a look for yourself at how much destruction there is. it's absolute amazing as you a walk across the store to this area. there were fire ss.
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the store literally ripped to shreds. this is jolly's a local corner neighborhood store in san town. it's been here for a long time. it was a 7-11 once. it's been other things. one thing it's always been is open. so the residents that we've had a chance to talk to are really upset to see the damage that's been done here. this was a staple for san town. >> reporter: now that place is boarded up as the city came through and put wood on the front of it. that's san town the neighborhood of freddie gray impoverished area of the city. joining me councilman craft. i appreciate you making time for us. your reaction to how the city of baltimore has reacted to the death of freddie gray and what seems to be slow or lack of transparency in light of what happened? >> until a couple of days ago
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the city acted in a unified peaceful way. we had lots of demonstrations throughout the week. everything went smoothly. saturday all hell broke loose. now as you know we have state police, national guard helping us to restore order. we will take anyone that we can to help us restore order right now. the governor came in yesterday. we're not going to recap or figure out what should have happened. right now we're unified trying to fix it. >> as you're trying to fix this this is a problem born out of something else the death of freddie gray. there is a lack of answers. do you think that that is the real problem, that the mayor and chief of police need to come out
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with real answers about what happened to these police officers on april 12th with freddie gray? >> yes, but we need to come out with truthful answers. we need to take the time to have the investigation right. we have the department of justice investigating. we have the state attorney investigating. we have the internal investigations. we shouldn't just come out with an answer to we meet the demands of press or meet the demands of someone to meet an artificial time deadline. we need truthful and accurate information when we come out with a response. >> you need to meet the demands people raising up in arms in this city with frustration. they feel this town is snow balling them and is galvanizing itself to protect the people hiding behind the honor of baltimore city shield and they're buying themselves time. that's not honor. >> well there's a frustration. that frustration is not just born out of this freddie gray thing.
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a lot of people that are doing this, they're not doing it because of freddie gray. freddie gray's family is out there. this is not about gray. there are long systemic problems that haven't been dealt with. that's not to justify the violence, justify the destruction. those are criminal acts and deserve to be punished. the underlying problems that the lack of jobs lack of education, lack of parks and recreation. those sorts of things are systemic and been going on for years. we need to address them and now. it's not just here. >> do you think this has your and council's attention? >> i think it does. we're getting ready to enter our budget process. i think all of us on the council are committed to reorienting priorities. we hope the mayor will join us. >> councilman, appreciate it. still ahead, how did we get
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here? we'll look at the investigation uncovering the history of baltimore police department on issues using excessive tors, payouts and civil rights violations of those here in the city. we encourage you to keep voting here on our poll question. on the other side of baltimore, washington d.c. and the road to marriage equality. when we come back we'll take you to steps of supreme court where we hear the first audio of the oral arguments today inside that courtroom.
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welcome back to our live coverage here from baltimore city. we are on the site of the burned out senior center across the street from the southern baptist
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street on the corner of chester in east baltimore. joining me former lieutenant governor of maryland also a msnbc political analyst. let me ask you about what you see here in baltimore. this is a place that you love. i know you love. >> yep. >> and have affinity for. your reaction to seeing what a powder keg it's become in the response to freddie gray. >> it's frustrating, angering but there's also hope. i see heart ache here. i know first hand a as i spent time at the baltimore detention center with 13-15-year-old african-american males who believe this is the end of the line for them. this is the rest of their life. they're stuck in a system that doesn't recognize for them a way out. then there is the hope when you see the reverend bryant on the streets in the community. you see pastors being the links
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for the community, that separation between them and police representative of a different way. that's the hope. the frustration is real as you know thomas. you're a baltimore guy, you know, and you know first hand the struggles of this city. so how do we move on from here? i think it starts with an honest conversation with where we are recognizing that politician from top to bottom, programs and systems have not worked. i think that was reflected as much as anything else for a lot of young men and women on the street. i had someone say to me how could a 16-year-old be upset? if you grow up in a run down neighborhood with no jobs no business, school system failing you, rat infested you watch police interacting with you and your family and friends, yeah there's anger and frustration
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even in a 16-year-old. >> how did we get here? i remember back in the 80s, mayor schaefer and the project to bring everybody back downtown because of inner harbor was exciting for people. then we got camden yards in the 90s. people started to come back to the city. during your time as lieutenant governor what happened to create such a chasm in the city between the have's and have not's at this point when there's been tension in certain areas? >> oh man. you touched on two very important pieces. the first is the what happened with the relationship with the police? community policing broke down. that relationship began to fray. when the mayor and city adopted policies that really pushed the community away that really the community found threatening. they were prosecuted and persecuted for standing on the
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corner. this rush to judgment about their behavior and who you were between them and the police. and the second piece was the regent if i occasion. when you regenter a community, you get pushed out. you understand you can't afford to stay there. you have the pressures of judicial system but now the economic system is weighing down on you. all of that that builds up over time. all has impact on community that feels it's pushed a side. there's no excuses for violence and what we saw unfold last night. we also have to understand where it's rooted and how that seed planted many years ago is now beginning to germinate. >> would you say there's no political safety net or policy
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put in place as there was a plan put in place to try in baltimore? >> i have to say that. i as lieutenant governor served on a number of economic development boards in the city as the city was beginning to expand east. i would ask the question. what do you do with the 75 a-year-old grandmother living in the row house last 35 to 40 years? nobody had the answer to that question. in many ways they still don't. that's part of this frustration when you look around baltimore. you had people on msnbc evening talking about the fact they lived in a neighborhood that's been burnt out since the riots in '68. that tells you what's deep rooted and systemic in this community. >> i'm going to ask you to stand by and bring in my colleague who's been in on the ground in baltimore as well. you've been on the ground in other communities that faced
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similar situations like in north charleston for example. explain what the difference is you've seen here while in baltimore. >> i can say this morning one of the things we've seen is a community really mobilizing to fight back in i think the most immediate way they needed to do. i think the immediate crisis facing this community this morning is what to do with tens of thousands of kids who are not in school. one of the things we see here is huge ecclesiastical of churches literally opening the doors, taking donations of food feeding kids and making sure you have a safe place to go today. every person we talked to today is concerned about this idea of having kids not in school today. churches have had to pick up slack. churches are mobilizing. >> one thing i've been so inspired to see it's been a
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multifate organizational effort from different community churches coming together to unify. i have to be honest. i grew up north of here. my dad grew up in the city. divorced family so i was back and forth. i had people that said don't bring the media. don't do that. they don't want us here. i get angry. we can't filter the reality of the news. it seems us showing up and giving air time to this gives incite more issues with looters. >> it's interesting. where we just came from -- we're on the east side now. we were on the north side at of baltimore this morning at a church serving kids food. a lot said we don't like the idea the media is only covering
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the bad people. they're not covering the good people trying to help this community and do the right thing, not covering protests that are valid. we're just focussing on protests and looting and violence. i think that's the problem. they feel this is not an approach of saying who the city is. >> stand by joy. let's listen in to the police chief. >> it's a part of public safety today. >> chief, are you concerned or do you expect any of those people during the evening hours to -- >> we are concerned and preparing for that. we experienced last night two burglaries where officers immediately entered the building and arrested the individuals. we experienced no other circumstance last night. there was nothing in baltimore county last night. it was a peaceful night. >> let me clarify the fact there
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were two burglaries last night are not necessarily related to events taking place in burglar city. we'd like to think baltimore county is absolutely crime free. we're as close to that as possible. >> have you been in touch with the governor to see if there are needs to adjust resources to the county? >> the only communication i've had with the mayor now is our offer of assistance and her recognition and appreciation that we were able to provide officers. the mayor and i have each other's cell phone. we communicate regularly all year long. obviously i'm here if the mayor needs us. >> why were afterschool activities cancelled? >> i appreciate you saying that. this is the reason why. we're actually trying to get out the message that it's okay to maintain regular business here
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in baltimore county. parents have been indicating concern. a couple of private schools in baltimore county have chosen to close. parents are indicating they don't want their children for some reason to participate in extracurricular activities. i did speak to the superintendent. he was concerned they wouldn't have enough children to field the teams, and they made a decision it was easier just to cancel. i want to clarify, it has nothing to do with a safety issue whatsoever. in fact our messaging for the parents are please let your kids stay in school. please let your kids keep doing the things they do day-to-day. there's no reason for anyone to deviate from normal routine here in baltimore county. >> thank you very much. >> all right. wanted to be accurate. this was a press conference not
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from baltimore city but baltimore county. michael steele, if you're still with us as well. big distinction is baltimore city and baltimore county run the same line. i was telling joy during the break while we were listening, they were talking about private schools and people worrying in baltimore down. there are 20 i can rattle off the top of my head private schools, high schools and lower schools, two of which i attended. i know there are friends of mine that have kids that go to these schools. they're afraid this is going to move north because of the fact there was a purge that was sent out on facebook for today to go to northern parkway and above which is above the county city line. >> right. there are these social media callers. there's no way to know how
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widespread it was or how to respond to it. one sent out yesterday that things that happened in north baltimore. then this morning there was another on facebook. we heard about it and saw images. it was trying to get kids to go to another mall and do a quote unquote purge. that's what elders in the community worry that kids will do hah. when we came in we were downtown inner harbor. we say just tons of national guard and police. they were everywhere. gates everywhere. when we got to the northwest part of the city where a lot of what happened took place, i really haven't seen that a kind of presence. i'm wondering if that's something they're worried about. i haven't seen the thick police presence. >> i haven't seen that either.
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we went to sandy town. i saw a heavy presence of people with rakes and trash bags. >> right. >> a lot of people delivering water to help them out. again, we do not have it confirmed this is credible or organized that there was something happening today. i know wbal our nbc affiliate here in baltimore, had been reporting this second internet notification going out via facebook and other social media talking about moving the purge to another area. >> right. >> but baltimore county obviously taking this very seriously but saying people should go about their daily lives and not get caught up in that. >> yeah. i mean at the same time it does feel a lot of local community leaderships, pastors, reverends, moms and dads are left with the responsibility to make sure their kids don't participate in something like that. they're not in school.
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we spoke with one pastor that made a good point. it's easier to say high school students come to our church. we'll open it up. first of all there's the expense making sure there's food for them. there's liability issues. you can't let little kids come in the space when you don't know who are adults watching those kids? who are people in and out of those buildings. it's not that simple to open the doors of your church and house little kids. there's a lot of risks in doing that. you've got to supervise them. it's a challenge. >> i would submit that there must be something going on in the communities to both of your points because here we are at this hour of the afternoon. we do not have or at least have indications of bans of youth roaming around the city or in places that they ordinarily wouldn't be at this time. perhaps, and maybe it's hopeful
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parents have tightened the reigns on kids during the day. maybe kids stayed home as opposed to going to work. so far, we're kind of holding our breath on this. you don't see the kids gravitating toward this purge idea number one. the real test will probably come later this evening. governor hogan made it clear that the police and national guard working together will keep order and peace along with having in place those curfews. hopefully we won't have incidents. >> we're looking at live pictures of a group of people moving down the street. these are images coming to us. not sure exactly what direction they're moving now or what they have organized themselves for. we were showing you an image earlier on the right hand side of your screen of looting that took place at a sports smart earlier today in baltimore city.
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there it is. that took place earlier today. again, the areas where i have been with my producer and sandy town we did not see a heavy police presence. we did see heavy presence of people out trying to clean up and organize the damage that happened overnight. you can see there. there's a little bit of a glare. >> i thinks that's peaceful march. it looked like very young students that had on matching t-shirts that had black lives matter on them. that looks like them. they were marching up the street. some of the churches that organize high school kids to get together to go out and clean up areas that were damaged. it's very positive. what i've experienced this morning is people trying to mobilize for good and get their message out. >> you talked about t-shirts.
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i've seen people with orioles and ravens gear cleaning up today. i love both those teams. it was great to see people organized to do that. it was through church organizes and interfaith organizational effort i saw. i was lucky enough to join in group and join their prayer circle as well for the community. take a look at that. >> source of life, peace, strength. we pray together right now standing in front of these businesses who have worked so hard to build themselves up to put something good into these communities, to put something positive and life affirming, something that nourishes, something that builds up and doesn't tear down. lord in the book ofwe're told
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there's a time to build up and a time to tear down. this is a time to build up. there are good people in this community. those of us that live here in west baltimore, pray here study here teach here serve here. the world should know these communities come together and businesses work hard not to be flashy, not to show off what they do just to do the hard work day in day out of serving their community. last night a small number of people who don't represent who we are here in baltimore came together and they missed the mark. they forgot what this is all about. they tore down what has been built up. we owe it to all those other people. we owe it to our community members. we owe it to owners of businesses and those coming here trying to earn a pay check to help put back what was lost to
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help set right what was put wrong. we serve you in your name and pray in your name. amen. >> so that was rabbi daniel berg in the synagogue here in the city. he brought out his two young kids. they both had brooms and trash bags with them. they joined this very diverse interfaith circle of people that joined together in sandy town to help clean up. joining us now on the phone is reverend al sharpton president of the national network and host of politics nation here on msnbc. i understand you're going to meet with the mayor in a few hours. what are your question or advice to her? >> first advice is that she must be focused on serving citizens with a fair and just police
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department which is what this issue is all about. and that she must deal with violence by securing everyone's safety and property but at the same time underlying issues of poverty and unemployment and so many things that have become the real emphasis for what we've seen. so i definitely want to challenge her to really stay focused on all those things. i also want to pledge to her we want to work from the national civil rights community as well as our chapter in the city of baltimore toward bringing about a peaceful resolution and to see where and how we can affect change and how policing is in baltimore. this is something as long as i can remember is a real problem
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in baltimore. i had a chapter in baltimore over a decade with larry young. i think that they've got to stop talking about change and endure change. i was invited by the local clergy. when she said i was welcome, i decided to come down. i decided to meet with the national civil rights groups that will join they later in the week. we want to be helpful as we work in other communities around this issue. but being helpful is also to be candid. >> and reverend when we think about the impoverished and violent neighborhoods like sand town where freddie gray lived, this is one of the hardest hit areas of chaos in the riots. it seems as if a lot of people have forgotten the fact we don't have answers about b what really happened with freddie gray.
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now the looting and rioting is just a much bigger distraction to what the original questions are about why did this 25-year-old man have to die in police custody? >> i think that's why i started saying she must remain focused. the fact is we cannot let the looting and rioting become used by those that want to justify over and overly aggressive policing. and two, to lose in the process of the discussion the fact that this is about fred gray and justice for he and his family. i tell a lot of young people that we cannot tolerate those on the far right that may not care about fred gray but you can't be so angry you don't care about fred gray. if you become the story, the headline, then you become the
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distraction. then you're only helping aiding and abetting those that you claim you're fighting. the real issue here is how a young man died in police custody that should not have been in police custody, according to his family's attorney. we don't have any answers on that. looting a store and burning down a house does not get us closer to the answer. it gets us further away. >> your reaction to this threat. yesterday saying they had put grudges a side to unify. 75 members of the clergy met with crips is and blood gangs last night. do you have plans to try to reach out to those groups?
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>> we have already spoken to some clergy i'm working with. i intend to try and meet with them. i'm told that is not true that they've come together to support the protest. whether it be true or not, there's no way, shape, form we could support anyone targeting the police. we need police but we need good police. to target police isor targeting anyone is contemptible and something that should not be encouraged and not tolerated. we're trying to stop violence and stop people from being targeted not trying to change who's going to be targeted. >> so with that change do you think that we really can see a change in police activity here in baltimore if we still wait for answers about these six police officers and their involvement in the injuries that then led to the death of freddie
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gray? >> thomas, i think that we can see change. change is hard. change takes people that are committed or change can happen. i mean, i remember when i was a kid nine or ten years old, there was a riot 50 years ago. if you told me then we'd have a black president or black attorney general, i would have told you you were crazy. i've seen change. i was there with apartheid fell. i've seen too much change to give up hope. i also know that nothing that is really going to be of substance of change is easy. you can't give to your motionemotions. you've got to give to discipline and commitment. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you sir. at 2:00 p.m. baltimore city police will hold their own press conference. we'll carry that here on msnbc.
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lift sagging diminish the look of dark spots and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. hi everybody. good afternoon. i'm thomas roberts live on the streets of baltimore city as we continue our coverage here as a curfew is about to go in effect ft a mandatory one beginning this evening at 10:00 p.m. as the national guard has taken over different posts in the city trying to help the baltimore city police get unrest and chaos under control as you can see on the other side of your screen protestors have gathered once again. there's been a unification of many people here in baltimore city who have come together today to clean up after a chaotic night, after different fires that erupted throughout the city after looting erupted throughout the city. we're standing in front of the senior center in the process of
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being built offering affordable housing to lower income seniors that is levelled burning to the ground. there's much to cover about the police response and also again the mandatory curfew that begins tonight at 10:00 p.m. in baltimore city and will last potentially one week. the other story is dealing with marriage equality at the supreme court. there was a brief interruption when a protestor spouted off during the oral arguments at the supreme court. huffington post was at the courthouse and caught this scene of security rushing inside after someone interrupted the oriole argument s -- the oral arguments. must states that ban same sex marriages honor those that happened in a state where it is
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legal? now, audio and transcripts were released moments ago. no surprise. the key question revolved around enough time has passed to change the definition of marriage. take a listen. >> we have changed the idea about marriage. it's the point i made earlier. marriage today is not what it was under the common law condition, civil law condition. marriage was relationship of a dominant male to a subordinate female. >> it's difficult for the court to say oh well we know better. >> anthony kennedy generally votes with the conservative wing. he's believed to be the key vote in all this. he wrote the majority opinion two years ago on u.s. v. winsor that struck down the prop 8 case out of california.
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that radically changed gay rights in america. on the day it was decided, president obama phoned in to msnbc to speak to california couples that challenge the prop 8 case. [ inaudible ] >> so the chief justice professor of constitutional law at tnyu school of law. he joins me. explain the kinds of questions heard inside the court especially from justice kennedy. >> i think you're exactly right to focus on justice kennedy. it was clear there were four justices in favor of it. he is going to end up being the swing vote. it was hard for me to focus on justice kennedy given it was an epic argument and the religious
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objector was shouting and tackled by three or four bailiffs and had to be carried out. there's several played there, mill len ya that support the traditional marriage definition and on other hand said it could bear the same relationship to lor is the 1967 case to brown versus board of education in 1954. he clearly positioned himself because he was a justice who wrote who might author. second, and quickly, he said the social science data may be out and one of the problems with the recency of the phenomenon of same-sex marriage is that we don't have the social science. very definitely said and we had trials on this michigan trial, adoption trials and perry trial were all instances in which the
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child rear issue was raised and chief justice roberts picked up on a question he asked two years ago, when this is sex discrimination as to sexual orientation discrimination or both. those are the three things to watch. >> kenji thank you sir, we remind everybody on right-hand side of the screen we are watching the scene here in baltimore as we expect 2:00 p.m. baltimore city police press conference to take place. also coming up we're going to talk to city councilman and attorney for the family of freddie gray. what is their message to those people who choose violence and looting over peaceful protest. we'll have that for you after this.
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welcome back to baltimore city, i'm thomas roberts, reporting live here as we are watching very closely to how the city is reacting to a curfew that's going to go into place at
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10:00 tonight after a very chaotic day yesterday in this city. it was just moments ago one our colleagues a reporter from the nbc affiliate in baltimore, wbal spoke to gang members about the riots. we initially reported that gang members here in baltimore had combined to put down their grudges and merge together to unify against police. and they said that they did not cause this violence. take a listen. >> although our cause is righteous, we cannot control every person. just because a person is a member of the bloods or crypts we can't control every gang in the city and say stop this. at the end of the day everybody has their own mind. but when we were downtown protesting i'm going to estimate we were about 30 people strong. out of all of the thousands of people down there, you mean to tell me you guys are pointing the finger at us because we had colors on? no, we can't have that. >> interesting perspective that we're hearing there. one of the more unique perspectives i've been
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witnessing firsthand is the fact that baltimore has been coming together to clean up and it's been very inspiring to see -- and i want to introduce you to two men, pastor cory barnes and greg gingham, a church in federal hill in baltimore city and they have been out today on the front lines with people that you organized, cory explain to me what your first reaction was to getting people together? why did you want to get people out today? >> it's really simple. our city needed us and our community wanted to know how can we help. we said meet here in sand town and help us clean our city. that was what we wanted. >> you were kind enough to let us come along with you today and we got really great images and also the fact that there was arab by from a local synagogue that led the prayer service. explain the point as we talk about racial division here between the haves and havenotes in baltimore, the unique
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combination of the two of you working together? >> baltimore is a very unique city. and i think grace city was positioned six years ago through partnership and friendship that cory and i have had. we came together to do a different project together a decade together. and we used to dream together what would church look like if we co-pastored. both of us were pastors at different churches at the time and what would it look like if we came together and modeled the kingdom of god here on earth and racial reconciliation in our own relationship. that resulted in a church and community that has come together thomas across every line of ethnicity and race and socioeconomics, quite remarkable. >> what else is remarkable the young folks you had out today. i mean they were wee folks out with trash bags and rakes, but the young black men that you introduced me to that were explaining their frustration, but also the fact that the character that they are trying
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to demonstrate by not being involved in any of the looting, but being involved in the fact that there is hope for rebirth here explain to me what your message is to people out there that might be watching this and might think that today is another opportunity for bad actions? >> you know we heard our mayor say yesterday was the darkest hour but today we believe this is the start of the brightest hour, of young people their principle and their students together cleaning up the neighborhoods as schools were closed and people from the neighborhood joining together from -- people from all faith and background joining together. that's what baltimore is really about. that's the charm that's in charm city. and that's what we're really about. >> how do we provide that hope or that spark to these people that are frustrated and feel that it's wiser and better to act out in the way that they are
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doing to draw this type of negative attention to baltimore? >> it's in getting in the community and having a relationship in the community and talking to the people who really really know these students and really having everyone giving them a voice. they want to be heard. and today you saw and listened to what they had to say. i think you would say -- it would be surprising how positive the message here and we've got to give them a voice and got to let them be heard in a positive way and not shine the cameras on just the negative. >> we want to focus on the positive. what would you say to people in the city watching this and they are scared? they are very worried what night fall may bring tonight in baltimore? >> nobody can predict that. i would say that all of us need to raise the bar and take charge of our own growth and own change and own character. if i were to recommend something
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that we would chant together because you'll hear lots of chants around the city it's this to do justice, love mercy and walk humbly. and that -- i didn't make that up, that's from the scriptures. but that's our call to our church and community. if we all do that in our own, whether the law enforcement or citizens or young leaders of sand town. as we're following that as our flag and chant, that will raise the bar in significant ways we're going to keep calling for that. whatever happens tonight, we'll keep calling for that. >> thank you both for taking me around today. i appreciate what you're doing in the city of baltimore. hi everyone i'm thomas roberts reporting live from baltimore city it's the top of the hour here on msnbc. we want to bring you up to speed on what we know as we continue to follow breaking news out of baltimore and protests over the death of freddie gray. there have been protests and chaotic looting and rioting.
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we're awaiting a news conference from baltimore police expected to begin coming up during this hour. they had said it will start right at 2:00. we will keep an eye on that and take it to you live as soon as it starts. meanwhile on the other side of your screen you're looking at live images as protesters gather for more demonstrations today. this coming after protests turn very violent last night. some people would say they aren't even protesters just looters and bad actors taking advantage of a crisis here in the city. this after a very peaceful and beautiful community service and funeral for 25-year-old freddie gray. now, baltimore county officials gave an update on the situation from the city to the county. >> what is happening now has nothing to do with freddie gray. it has to do with on tunists who are out there to commit a crime. and we will not tolerate criminal activity here in
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baltimore county. >> let me walk you through the rest of the developments. we have a state of emergency in effect for the city of baltimore. i've witnessed firsthand the national guard is positioned through the downtown area of the city to help facilitate local police. baltimore city schools have been closed for the day. baltimore orioles postponed this evening's game and this is the second night in a row they have postponed a game. the president also addressing this situation. here's what he had to say roughly an hour ago. >> when individuals get crow bars and start prying open doors to loot they are not protesting. they are not making a statement. they are stealing. >> so that was the president speaking specifically about the looters that we've seen here in baltimore. but joining me now is andrew o'connell, the attorney for the family of freddie gray. first, explain to us how
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freddie's family specifically his mom is reacting to what's being done what people would say is being done in his name? >> obviously the family is still grieving -- just yesterday. the gray family asked for peace following his burial and unfortunately they didn't get that. we all saw the rioting and looters last night, which does a disservice to the message that the family would like to get out, which is seeking justice for mr. gray and to continue or to maintain calm. >> that is the catalyst that brought us to this situation was the fact that freddie gray was taken into custody on april the 12th allegedly receiving such severe injuries that he died from a coma -- in a coma a week later. we are expected to have a report that is going to be released on the death of freddie gray on the
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first, correct, may 1st? >> that's right. the police department will release their results of their investigation. what we would like to see now though are the parts of the report that are not going to change we would like to see the officer statements taken on the 12th. they are not going to change or get better with age. we would like to see the radio runs and recorded radio runs of all officers involved. those are static not going to change. we would like to see those right now. perhaps that might help with this situation here. >> will the officer's bill of rights prevent you from having legal access to that material? >> the officers all have their bill of rights. nothing will keep them from -- should keep the police department from releasing those reports now though. the statements now. >> if that isn't the case why wouldn't we have them already? >> these are the answers we would like to have. >> for the gray family i know last night late night freddie's twin sister she spoke about
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this would not be something her brother would want to witness. how are they coping though with the delay in learning what really happened after he was taken into custody? >> the family is still devastated and still in the grieving process. so they are acting like a lot of other families who have lost a dear loved one. >> when we find out this report coming out on friday do you feel confident that we're going to get the facts because i know early on the gray family had made a statement from another family attorney that they thought that the police department was stone walling and buying itself time to get its stories straight. >> the family has no faith that the baltimore city police department is going to do a good job policing itself. the officers -- this -- our country has a long history of this of officers doing a poor job in investigating themselves when there's an allegation of
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wrong doing or even questions surrounding the nature and cause of mr. gray's injuries. >> the new attorney general loretta lynch has made a remarks about this situation. and i thought was coming to baltimore today. are you confident that her involvement will help helm this in the right direction to satisfaction legally for the gray family? >> the gray family hopes and prays that the justice department's investigation will shed some light on the facts that the baltimore city police department neglects to show the public after they released the report on friday yes. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you making time for me. best to the gray family. we want to go now to gabe gutierrez who is also here in the city of baltimore and joins us outside the cvs store. what does it look like there today? >> reporter: good afternoon, we're at the corner of pennsylvania and west north. behind me is the burnt out cvs pharmacy that got so much attention yesterday.
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part of a remarkable scene playing out behind us. you see dozens of people here. these are mostly volunteers that have been cleaning up the cvs throughout the morning. they are now loading this debris right here to have it carted away. it's a bit of a crowded scene, if we can move over here you can see a crowd of several hundred that has gathered here at pennsylvania avenue. behind that crowd, we just came from there, it's hard to see from this vantage point but there's a police line in full riot gear. we can't say however this has been a peaceful crowd. -- it has been for several hours. they want to stress they want to shift the attention back on to freddie gray. yesterday's violence is not representative of the protest that we've seen for days here in baltimore. so so far this crowd here is peaceful, several hundred have gathered here and these volunteers are cleaning up the cvs pharmacy and making progress
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here thomas. >> gabe, unfortunately i couldn't hear you when you talked about the police presence it's police presence or national guard presence? >> it's a little bit of both. we see -- if we can have the camera man zoom in it's a little tough to make out. we've seen state police state police right over there. the national guard we actually saw a couple of miles to our east in downtown baltimore. heavy -- hundreds of national guardsmen have been here on the city i know local officials have asked officers from other states to come in. baltimore city and state police are ready to two. they go. some people here in the crowd however say this is too much and they are worried this could escalate later on. for now everything is calm. there's music playing and people with signs asking people to remember freddie gray and not to have a repeat of the violence we saw here yesterday, thomas. >> gabe, if you wouldn't mind
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i'm curious for the inspiration or motivation of the people behind you, if you could ask them what motivated them to come out today? why do they want to be there on site to help clean up and show support for their community? would you mind talking to some of them? >> we can try, let me see if i can have my microphone here. let's walk here it's a little bit of tight quarters. are you a volunteer here. my name is gabe gutierrez, tell me why are you out here today? >> because i couldn't stand what i saw yesterday and wanted to be part of the solution. i was on social media giving comments and responding to people i'm not doing anything about attacking it that way. i want to be part of the solution. >> reporter: how difficult was it to see what happened yesterday? >> very difficult. you know but it's a layered issue and i don't have time to go into it right now but you kind of understand the frustration. so on the one hand it's very difficult to see it but you understand the frustration. >> reporter: a lot of people
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behind you are volunteering here, what do you think about this crowd that has shown up here? >> this is beautiful. this is baltimore. this is the way you want to see it represented. >> reporter: thank you very much. what's your name? >> marcus. >> thanks for talking to us. we're going to move around here a little bit. there's a lot of people here and excuse me the wires are getting crossed a little bit. sir, how are you? gabe gutierrez, i'm with msnbc. why are you out here today? >> because i feel like it's our fault, the youth. we blame ourselves with that. we took away so many recreation centers and afterschool programs for these kids they had nothing else to look forward to. there's no future for them. as adults we're trying to get it back together. >> reporter: thank you very much for talking, we appreciate it. ma'am, gabe gutierrez, do you mind -- why are you out here right now? >> i was sitting at home and watched this escalate yesterday
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and watching it this morning just made me very disappointed and the injustice that the adults are doing to these kids. we need to do so much more and reach out to them. i hope and pray the peaceful protesters out here tonight continue this to see if it escalates into something more. if these kids come back we need to be out here to show them that this is not what we stand for. we do not -- this is not what we represent as baltimore. and we need to do so much more. these kids are lost and they need some help. >> thank you so much for talking with us. i hope the rest of you guys have a lot of work to do. thank you so much for talking to us. we're here right outside the burned cvs and volunteers have been showing up throughout the morning and loading up this debris and getting it out of here. they do want not want any more violence this afternoon. do not want a repeat. >> thank you so much for taking
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time. thank you so much for taking time to talk to those people that joined to volunteer. that's eye beautiful perspective we need to show case as we talk about the police force on street and different warnings that there could be a more chaotic evening tonight. carl stokes joins me now. great to have you with me. let's talk more about the fact the situation we are anticipating for tonight, it's the beginning of the 10:00 p.m. curfew, do you agree as a person of baltimore, do you agree with the mayor in instituting the curfew? >> i agree for a short curfew don't want to see it go through the week. if there's no more trouble or lessening of trouble tonight with the increased force we have in i think that we normalize our relationships in the city as soon as possible. people in the neighborhoods and businesses that will be hardly by taking a loss on this situation. i'm looking for this to end
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sooner rather than later. i think the people can handle it. >> obviously there is a push back and forth between what these looters or bad actors would want to do to intimidate those living in the city as well as intimidate the police force they can get away with this and now we have a show of force from the national guard and police to intimidate back and try to get the chaos under control. the bigger picture is the hope that needs to be provided for these kids. we heard from one of the volunteers from gabe gutierrez talking about the fact these kids are on the wrong track and need hope and direction. how do you in your position as a councilman work now to provide that hope and opportunity? >> this has been going -- let me just mention it was not so long ago when our police officers ran computer centers and ran mentoring programs. then around 2000 we got a new mayor and commissioner of police and that commissioner said we're not social workers. so they ended the relationship with the young people in the
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city. they stopped the athletic leagues and mentoring and computer labs. we need to reengage our police officers with our community with other young people so they see the police as friends and mentors as opposed to being occupied forces in their own neighborhoods. that's a huge change we must go back to. >> we're making an indelible mark or you are right now along with the city and impression with the national guard being called out. hasn't happened since the late 60s. >> i remember it. >> and now we have this force that's taking place to try to make sure that there isn't a mirror image of what we witnessed last night. >> yesterday wasn't our best night but it was far from being our worst day. we have a great day yesterday in baltimore city. very uncomfortable evening, obviously. i think that the people -- listen there were a few hundred people with criminal intent versus hundreds and thousands of
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citizens, hundreds and thousands of citizens who are here very supportive of the city in support of freddie gray and justice for mr. gray and justice for many of the same people who are on street yesterday quite frankly. there's not a duality here i think we're very much interested in making sure that the city comes together around all of the citizens in distressed neighborhoods like this one and across the city. >> thank you so much we appreciate you taking time for me. >> i appreciate it. >> hard work ahead for you but we know as a baltimore son you can do this work. >> thank you. >> joining me now is pastor s. todd urey. can you reveal how the meeting went with governor hogan and what were the strategy plans, points laid out to try to help the situation in the city?
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>> the conversation with the governor this morning was actually first to hear from the governor what he would like to see first to restore calm and peace to the community. then there were conversations -- >> pastor urey stand by we've got the city -- baltimore city police conference beginning. >> right now, to bring that into reality. we have deployed resources across the city from both our local, regional and state partners and right now we're also having officers from washington, d.c. we're incredibly thankful for the support of our partners to help us. we're deploying to critical infrastructure sites, locations that have experienced previous incidents of lawlessness and areas where investigative efforts tell us we need to be. we'll respond quickly and efficiently to incidents that
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take place. but again, we're hoping that we don't see any of those today. right now we know that a minimum of 20 officers have been injured during the course of the lawlessness that took place. we expect that number might be a little higher but we've had reports that our officers sustained minor injuries did not want to come off the line and go seek medical treatment. they wanted to stay with their other law enforcement officers and continue to help protect the city of baltimore. we know that there were 144 vehicle fires and we know there's one person who is in critical condition as a result of a structure fire. i would refer you to the fire department to get the total number of fires that took place last night. right now there's a large crowd at north avenue and pennsylvania avenue that crowd is peaceful and that's what we're used to seeing in baltimore. a group of people that come together peacefully to expect their concern to voice their frustrations and to do so in a
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peaceful manner. we hope that's what we continue to see. i want to remind everyone that we have a 10:00 curfew this evening. and that is in effect until 5:00 tomorrow morning. we'll be enforcing that curfew. i think it's very appropriate right now to thank all of the people in the community. we've received e-mails, text messages and messages on our social media from people across the country, across the state in the city we've had people bringing officers food and water as they are out in various neighborhoods, we want to thank them for that. we're very thankful for the show of support from our community. i think everyone in baltimore is looking forward to peace returning. again, we want to send our thanks to our regional partners to the national guard and everyone in the city helping to keep us safe. with that i'll take some questions. >> captain some of your own officers say there were warnings that they provided to higher ups
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that they needed more help after the vi leps saturday night. why wasn't more help here before yesterday's riots? >> i think that there's -- this is clearly what people want to talk about. i think it's important to add a degree of context. when we deployed our officers yesterday, we were deploying for a high school event, i don't think there's anyone in the country that would expect us to deploy automatic weapons and armored vehicles to an event with 13 14 and 15-year-olds that's not what people expect from their police department. what we saw that turn into yesterday was an incident that escalated in violence and the age group of the people involved increased as well. so as of today with our 235 arrests we know that 34 of them are juveniles and 201 were adults. clearly the dynamic of that situation changed. you saw us adapt our techniques throughout the day yesterday to address that situation.
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to address that concern. and where we are today where we've called in support from all of the regional partners and where we have that support and we're deploying it right now. >> are you confident that if there's a repeat of last night tonight you're prepared to quell it? >> what i can tell you we have officers deployed to hot spots and we have our regional partners and national guard at strategic locations in critical infrastructure, that we have the ability to respond quickly to incidents of lawlessness that take place. it's about creating context. one of the questions we got there's been a comparison to other locations. in other locations the incidents have been contained to one area. what we saw last area was a group of people take advantage of a situation of a very unfortunate situation and use that to tear down their own neighborhoods, to destroy the businesses in their own communities. and that's a different dynamic than in other places.
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so our deployment today is to be able to respond to those sorts of incidents. >> like there was yesterday, there's a lot of social media talk about purges and gatherings at the mall -- i believe and other locations, how serious are you taking those? are you looking into beefing up security in those places? >> i think any threat that comes in right now, any bit of information is going to be examined for its credibility and for its verasty, we put out the release that we arrested the individual who destroyed our police car. much like that we're going to do investigative work and we have detectives looking through videotape for the people engaged in lawless activity last night and find those people and arrest them and look at various intelligence sources and various areas of information so that we can do whatever we can to mitigate future incidents. >> what's calling the shots right now? >> the police commissioner is in the watch center right now
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commanding the resources on the ground and directing our response to incidents. again, right now, and what i want to say we're very fankful for, we have the large group at pennsylvania avenue, they are peaceful. that's the baltimore we're used to seeing and hope to continue to see throughout the rest of tonight. >> can you tell us about the curfew tonight, how is it going to work? >> we know the curfew is in effect from 10:00 at night until 5:00 in the morning. unless you're engaged in work on on your way to receive medical treatment you're not allowed to be out. that's going to be enforced. we have a tremendous number of resources throughout the city and we will enforce that curfew to make sure that our city stays safe throughout the night so we don't have the same events that took place yesterday. >> a restaurant at 10:00? >> i don't want to get into very specific situations i don't want to speculate what that looks like. we can come up with 100 different situations there's a agree of common sense our
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officers will employ but at the same time this is about making sure the city is safe. there's a 10:00 curfew we repeatedly pull out there's a 10:00 curfew. we're telling people please stay off the streets after 10:00 unless you're on your way to receive medical treatment or coming from work. [ inaudible ] >> so we've received a large number of calls for service, we'll investigate the incidents of crime that took place in our city. i think one of the things we want to make clear is that we have an obligation to protect life -- i'm sorry there's a siren behind me. we have an obligation to protect life. and by protecting life and making sure our citizens and officers are safe that is how we move to protect property. that is how we move to prevent other acts of lawlessness from
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taking place. we'll get to the calls for service and absolutely investigate the criminal acts that took place. we'll do everything that we can to make sure that we're putting resources in the right place at the right time. >> happened this morning, can you tell us anything about -- >> i know that this morning we made a total of -- i think about a dozen arrests, we'll get more firm numbers as we move forward. it looks like it's seven adults and five children -- five juveniles that were arrested. we'll get the specifics on the incidents of that. we're going to investigate reports of criminal activity as they take place. it's very important not to lump all of the criminal activity that take place in the city into one -- this is all connected. we're going to look at the incidents as they are and respond as they come in -- >> do you have the information -- >> give me one second. we'll make every hour to do
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hourly briefings from now until 9:00 tonight to update you. justin, i'll look into that. if we have anything more on that i'll put that out. >> again, captain eric kowalzcyk. >> we're just listening to the baltimore city police office give an update on what's taking place right now, he wanted to thank the local state regional partners as well as the national guard and said their area of interest for keeping the city under control and not seeing a rehash of the chaos last night is to make sure that the certain areas and where we saw instances of chaos break out that they have heavier police presence there but also there are other areas of interest that they have under investigation. he pointed out there were 20 officers that were injured, some of which did not want to come off the line. he said they wanted to stay with
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their -- they needed medical attention, that they could then leave to go to the hospital. he said there's an example taking place right now at north and pennsylvania avenues of peaceful protesting going on and also wanted to remind everybody again about the curfew. this is the curfew that the mayor instituted that begins this evening at 10:00 p.m. and last until 5:00 a.m. and the only reason why people can be out is for work or medical reasons. and we want to go back. i was interviewing pastor s. todd urey from the douglas memorial church. he was in a meeting earlier today with the governor and also joining me now is baltimore native michael scott, a long life resident and local activist with equity matters. i want to go back to pastor about your meeting with the governor today. what was the strategy discussed how to calm the city? >> well the strategy about how
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to calm the city is really one about providing of resources to help ensure that what happened last night does not happen again tonight. from there the conversation was to encourage the governor to make the resources at his disposal available so that as the conversations happen with residents in the community about what their needs are, state resources are made available to be brought to bear on whatever and wherever that conversation might take it. and so it was really an opening of a conversation to ask the governor to be present with the state resources to help with them. it's happening in baltimore city but it is not merely an issue of structural issues in baltimore city. there's been a lot of missing resource so we asked the governor, please please make sure that the state is present to help with resolving these matters, whatever they may be found to be. >> when -- in talking with people like yourself who else was in the meeting with you and
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the governor? >> there was a representative from one of the community associations in sand town winchester baltimore city branch president of the naacp was there who had just come to share that there was a resource center being set up in sand town. there were representatives of other community organizations there that had an interest in having a conversation with the governor, to hear not only what the governor had to say but say to the governor what we need is your ear and resources. >> all right let me ask you to stand by and bring into the conversation michael scott, who i said was an activist here with equity matters in baltimore and you're an orioles fan. but explain how the situation obviously there is an intimidation going back and forth between those that would want to be bad actors and now the national guard and police
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trying to stem the chaos. from your perspective, what can be done to provide those bad actors with a better track here in baltimore city? >> i think we have to focus on systemic solutions to the systemic problems we talk about personal responsibility which is important. but we need to talk about it within systemic context and look at what's possible and what gifts exist and not just the myopenic opportunities we have in fronts of us to express understandable outrage and anger. if we're not talk about the larger conversation why these voices are deafened to begin with we're not going to get to the solutions, including future investment. we need to rebuild. there's a reason this stuff happened. >> the larger conversation, you talk about being myopic and short sided. what can be a longer range solution for a city that has given way to development, pushed people out, a city ha that's
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given way to re-ghent tri fiction process and city that forgotten the community policing is important, to have a relationship between the police and people they serve? >> the thing that ties all of that together is equity. people say when you say equity matters, do you mean financial equity or social justice? i say yes. i mean you had pastor and i grew up in that church and my father is a lifelong civil activists and we were the first to have a community development cooperation. the burned out building they are doing the same. what we've forgotten the system sometimes dehumanize i understand that we have to redefine all of our thinking and systems in terms of people. so whether it's conscious capitalism and conscious venture lab and putting purpose of companies the why first, which actually enables you to make more money because people give
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you the benefit of the doubt. when we talk about capital and rebuilding and institutions that served our people the think we must do is keep people is he tenter of them and rehumanize and focus on possibilities. >> how do we in the city of baltimore layout the framework for an improvement upon the social contract? you said we're standing in front of this burned out -- going to be a retirement senior living affordable housing for seniors, the embers are still burning, we can see smoke behind it. such a beautiful thing is now ash. >> we have a lot of examples of what's working, both here and around the country. the thing about baltimore, we're a closely networked city. we feel like a big eastern seaboard city but we're a small southern town. >> we're connected whether it's john ank loss owner of the orioles focused on systems when he came out with the statement or we're talking about the
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neighborhood networks we're a part of kids you bringing on next it's connecting the dots through network science, that's the theory of it. but it's relating to people and pushing some of these ideas forward. we're part of a nshl group place matters in 27 cities and counties and we're constantly trading best packets. i'm the police advisory commission, we've been pushing for training that the community wants to say, anti-racism training the community wants to see. it's not just about the conversation of racism but what's possible when you bring in people's pain and humanize it in a different way and couple that with really best practices of policy. >> it is a great pride that goes into being a baltimore resident. i've talked about i grew up in to youson and dad lives in the city and parents were divorced so i was back and forth. it was never about what college you went to where you went to high school. >> calvert hall. >> i think we beat you a few
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times. >> we can be friends now. >> yes, you probably did. >> but it's definitely that -- we do think we're a big east coast city. but we're small and connected through very unique family ways that makes baltimore very very special. and pastor s. todd urey michael scott, thank you to both men and play now for everybody because earlier i had a chance to speak to young men who grew up in the sand town area and their message for those that would wish to do harm in the city tonight. >> what would your message be to kids that may see this today and feel inspired to do something? >> just look around you and look at the devastation and destruction. like, why would you want to replicate that? this is -- this is real life like pain. this is real life like memories and things that you can't get
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back. people -- like building up a business or store, why should it be wiped away in minutes. >> you're saying the neighborhood watching a neighborhood. >> this is our neighborhood. we don't want to bring it down. everyone is hurt and everyone -- they show how they feel their pain and where they show it but you have to think about the outcome. you don't want to bring down your own city and own neighborhood. protest, write lerds, put it in writing, stand in front of business where people are paying attention. you don't want to bring down your own neighborhood. when it's time to get medicine where people don't have cars to drive places and walk to cvs, can't do that now. people are not going to have food and suffer from senseless acts. i understand people are hurt. i can't tell you how to show your pain but i want you to be mindful of the devastation you're causing and outcome that it's going to bring to all of us. we're a family here. >> you're a family here so what
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does it feel like when you look at the news and see these images of cars burning in the streets, people breaking into cvs on fire, how does that make you feel? >> it hurts. showing all of the stuff about the destruction but don't show all about the rebuilding. we've been out here all day, yesterday, this morning, trying to stop this stuff. trying to rebuild and lift it up. late last night but they are not showing that on tv. they are not showing us -- they are showing us starting it. that's not the image here. >> what is the feeling here marvin right? >> mike. >> sorry. right now it's faith, hope sticking together and coming back together and rebuilding that's what it's all about right now. >> we talk about the hope for rebuilding, one of the first steps to do that is we continue to see chaos. >> first we have to get -- parents have to take control of the kids.
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get the kids back in the house and teach them the right way and have them rebuild the community. after that then we sit down and talk and figure out -- we start rebuilding and kids have something to do so they are not out here destroying the community. give them something to do. >> talk about outlets, so yesterday justice had a service to bury freddie gray as a community. and then this within hours. >> it's not -- it's not just about the freddie gray situation. you've got to think about all of the pain that the young men and even the older guys experienced way before this happened. this is backed up anger. this is way beyond the freddie gray thing. this just enhanced it. this just gave everybody around here opportunity to do something to release the pain. not necessarily thinking about the outcome.
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i told my aunt last night, tomorrow when we wake up where are we going to walk to? what bar are we going to do? what store are we going to go to? what market are we going to go to to shop or feel safe? it doesn't feel the same. but you've got to have the mentality to be able to fight everything that's going on around here. i grew up around here but we had the mentality to fight everything that ever went on around here. i feel like right now today if we don't have the mentality to fight beyond the fredty gray situation, nothing so going to change. if we don't have outlets for these kids gyms more tutors like you said more playgrounds, like i said it's like a wall. if you take a outlet out of a wall where are you going to plug anything? these kids have no electricity or energy running through their systems to say i want to be there and do this and stand up for this.
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they don't have the outlet. you've got five men right here that 29 30 and we're here standing strong. we didn't let this community bring us down. we're not going to let it bring us down but we're struggling to figure out how to build it up. as grown men we're still looking for outlets to do this. >> even more so than outlets if we don't have an identity the true identity of sand town and black community has been forged and misrepresented by people that's not from the community. so when opportunity presents itself for people to step up and become that base or that voice wrong people step up. and the media are interested in everybody but the actual victim but the actual people who can give a true and unfiltered identity of the real community. >> what is the identity of sand town? >> we're faith based people men and women of god who grew up
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here and created a family like environment. it's the outsiders that come in and that plant the seeds that grow into cancers. and our own people do the same thing. but we can't contain to be measured by our worst moments. it's time like this where we rise to the occasion to bring forth an image of who they are. it all depends on perception and if you choose to believe what the media puts out there, and that identity then you'll have a misrepresentation all the time of what baltimore city in particular sand town really is. it's up to us. people that were born and raised in community, to emerge as leaders and to use our tragedy as the platte foormform not allow
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outsiders to come in and exploit us. they are opportunists and take our real tragedy and real pain and they use it as a platform to advance their own agendas. and we've got to stop that nip that in the bud and start to report the truth. that can only be gathered from the people that live in it. >> this was a group of young men i had the opportunity to speak with earlier today before they started volunteering to clean up in the area of sand town that is the neighborhood of freldty gray, the 25-year-old who was injured in police custody on april 12th and then died a week later. they had such a strong message today and got out in their community to help clean up after the violence and rioting that they saw last night in their specific area. we've been showing you images on the left hand side of the screen that have been taking place today of different groups that have organized together today. one of the bigger stats we have learned about is 20 police officers have been injured.
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young adults who have taken a pride and passion in being organizers and involved to the city of baltimore. teo and mallory, let me start with you, your organization does what for the inner harbor? >> the inner harbor project is a youth led organization that works with youth inner harbor in inclusive public space for police tourists everyone. >> the harbor is filled with national guard troops and police and fencing and step in closer so my arm -- i don't know if my arm will reach you, but how does that make you feel? you're 18 years old and never seen anything like this in your life. how does that make you feel with the work you're doing with the inner harbor? >> it makes me even more
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motivated. work hard day in and day out to make the harbor safe space for youth and star owners and baltimorians. so this just motivates me to keep us going. >> let me talk to you, a proud towson graduate. what would your message be to kids who might think it's a good idea to do it tonight? >> it's definitely painful to see the city on fire like this. as an educator and someone very passionate about young people i would really like young people to really understand what's going on and think about what they are doing before they do it. awe lot of times young people act out of emotion or how they feel at the moeks. there needs to be reflection before you take action. >> they can be impulseive and thr consequences. talk about the name of your organization and what you do
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specifically policiwise for baltimore city? >> the name of my organization is leaders of a beautiful struggle. we're a grass roots think tank in baltimore led by black folks who live here and from here. one of the things we've been focusing on throughout the process, especially with freddie gray laws to transform and reform because there are things in place for years here in baltimore that led up to this explosion of frustration and violence. people need to talk about that systemic oppression but that's been leading up to this in the first place. >> what's the framework for moving forward from a policy perspective, what is the framework that you say is needed for baltimore city? >> one thing that's important for people to understand in baltimore. the police bill of rights in baltimore. it protects police officers and allows them to -- that's one law we're trying to push forward to get change coalition of grass roots organizations but along with general conversation and dialogue about how the police
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can have better relationships with the community and how wecan transform our public policy instead of being an occupied territory by police. >> you said killed my the police here in the city. some people would say there are instances where the police are involved and that might be the only outcome that can happen because of something that they deem necessary, have to use that type of force. resuspicious of the fact that the city has been less than quick in revealing results of what happened with freddie gray? >> no, that's the mode of operation in baltimore. for example, former governor martin o'malley ordered illegal aarrest of 7,500 of black people -- this is part of the larger narrative of police not being held accountable and
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systemic oppression. to me that's the -- the fact we haven't gotten facts about freddie gray's case that's normal to me. that happened with west anderson, all of these other black people killed by police. >> that is the catalyst. thank you all very much the catalyst that brought us to the situation right now. thank you all. remind everybody it was the arrest of freddie gray a 25-year-old on april the 12th and the potential violence and alleged violence that happened in this arrest exerted by the police forces that potentially led to his death a week later after he fell into a coma. what we're seeing now is the city going on lockdown with a 10:00 p.m. curfew that lasts until 5:00 p.m. you can see this instituted for the next week. coming up next, a paster sees his church go up in flames and senior center he was building for affordable housing for
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we wanted to give you an update we've gotten here. for the past two nights the orioles have postponed their games out of an abundance of caution because of instances of rioting and happening that happened on saturday night during a game. we're finding out that the game that was postponed for this evening will be played at 2:00 p.m. tomorrow however that game will be closed to the public. and then we've got the rescheduled game that happened on monday coming up for may 28th. so again, the orioles getting back on track it the 2:00 p.m. game tomorrow but it will be closed to the public. one of the larger areas of devastation as we watched from the situation last night here in
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baltimore was a massive three-alarm fire that lit up the night sky here on the corner of chester and north gay. it was visible from several blocks and it's just right next to the southern baptist church. that was helping to develop the center and located just across the street from the church itself. joining me now is the pastor dante hickman, thank you for joining us. we look across the street and still see the smoldering ashes of what was a $16 million facility. explain what that facility is supposed to do for the community? >> it was the senior housing and transformation center that was to be the catalyst development for more revemt in this community. for 30 years this community has been in dill lap dags, we had workforce development initiatives and behavioral counseling and hiv and aids testing and services and 60
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affordable units for senior housing. >> when you look across the street now and see where that work stands and the dream that it was are you going to try to rebuild that? >> we have to. it took us eight years to envision this and acquire properties when other people didn't want to invest in this community and johns hopkins stopped the line at the train tracks, the church said we must revitalize the community for the existing residents. we're resilient now more than ever. this has lit a fire within us to continue to serve this community. we believe it's injustice that caused this injustice. it's violence that caused this violence. if we can rebuild iraq we can certainly rebuild east baltimore. >> your message to anybody who thinks it's smart to go out tonight and try to repurpose the destruction we saw last night? >> my message to you is that that's not the way to justice. the way to justice is to partner
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and work together with the faith community. we're here and stand with the community. i invite president obama to come see what we're doing in east baltimore. he'll have a heart for this kind of investment and this can change the track and trajectory of baltimore. >> my condolences for the loss of the building and what it meant for the community. but you are going to rebuild that dream. i thank you for your time today. i'm thomas roberts and that wraps things up for me. i'll be back here in baltimore live at 5:00 p.m. coming up next -- the cycle. your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. ♪ ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater
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mondawmin mall. the baltimore sun says they were motivated by social media calls for a purge. that's in reference to a movie that made crime legal. seven officers were injured there and by daybreak that number rose to 15. two officers now are still hospitalized. the initial riot coincided with the funeral of 25-year-old freddie gray. his family has repeatedly called for calm. his twin sister calling the violence wrong. riots riots spread to a cvs and check cashing store and they threw bricks at firefighters and cut off their water supply. after night fall that under correction senior and community center we saw right there between tour'e was set ablaze. 144 vehicles were destroyed and 19 builds are were burned.

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