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by questions about donations. >> there have been a lot of accusations lobbed. those are not been accompanied by much evidence. >> those issues are in my view distractions from what this campaign should be about. i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about. >> police documents say gray was taken into custody without force or incident. >> somewhere between his arrest and his arrival at the police station -- >> had his neck broken and his spip spine almost completely severed. >> when mr. gray was placed inside that van, he was able to talk. when he was taken out of that van, key not talk and he could not breath. welcome to "morning joe". it's the top of the hour. good to have you all here. mark halperin and dorian warren along with willie joe and me.
hello. >> hey. a lot to talk about today. >> i know. >> you like that don't you? you're laughing at the picture. >> the picture is terrible. they always did that to her. but -- >> masters of the photo composite composite. >> so we'll be talking about this because there is a new book. >> there is a new book and also mark halperin "new york times" wrote the story about it yesterday saying that this is more troubling than a lot of other clinton sort of tell-alls because, first of all, you're talking about cold hard facts, numbers. bill clinton made $50 million on speeches in foreign countries in the four years hillary clinton was secretary of state. and it there are a lot of other issues where this book is tying things together. but i will tell you, mika here's what i like about it. >> what. >> what i like about this story is the clintons it will be so easy for the clintons to disprove this.
you know why? come on, come on, wind it up. you know why. >> why? >> let's wind it up. why it's going to be so easy for them to disprove this in real time that there was no quid pro quo, there was no communication, there was no hey, listen i understand -- you know why? we'll just look at hillary's e-mails. right? >> no. >> we can just look at hillary's e-mail. because that's the thing. >> there are none. >> when we invented the internet with al gore what did we say? this will help tracking down what people do in real time. >> e-mails live forever. >> what did they say? don't ever type anything in an e-mail unless you want it to be read by someone. >> thank goodness those e-mails are still there to help us piece this together. >> actually the personal e-mails, right? >> unrelated to her work as secretary. >> by the way -- seriously, this
is the sort of stuff that everybody was saying in real time, if real time people were saying those, quote, personal e-mails, dorian that could be about clinton foundation speeches, that could be communication that you could tie in with all these other things. and now they may, you know -- they're a couple hundred million dollars probably. >> this is sort of like death by a thousand cuts. first the e-mail scandal, now this book will come out, it will be around for a few weeks, people will delve into it to see what is there. >> so let me ask you this. is the basic contention of the boog that the book that the clinton foundation received money from foreign countries that she was dealing with as secretary of state? >> exactly. >> it was quid pro quo. the problem is that you have -- you have this in a lot of
political corruption trials. it's always proving the quid pro quo. proving that the e-mail was sent at a certain time about the same time that a deal was passed that would make somebody that paid bill clinton $100,000 or -- actually he made $550,000 a couple times while she was secretary of state. he gets paid that money about the same time the allegations are here that things are passed through state department that make the people money who were giving them $550,000. and again, if any clinton people position this doesn't intensify the questions about those e-mails and what she was sending at what time -- >> you have a foundation you'd like to sell them in the brooklyn. >> exactly. >> this is a great press story and a great study in how the clintons are subject to right wing hip jobs and the media's interest in the clintons.
but in the end i think we'll all dig into the question of whether she specifically engaged in any actions as secretary of state in order to help either get money for the pound daysfoundation or speaking for her husband. >> ex-press earned about $48 million between -- in speeches between '09 and '13, more than half paid by companies in china, japan, russia saudi arabia cayman islands, et cetera and the author says of the 13 clinton speeches, only two occurred during the years that his wife was not secretary of state. not secretary of state. bill clinton believed to be the richest living ex-president. most estimates put their net worth between $100 million and $200 million. >> i have no doubt in my mind that some people who gave to the foundation or hired him to give speeches did it in order to curry favor with the clintons. no tout. the question is did she do anything as secretary of state
on help those people. there are some incidents in which she seemed to switch her position to more forgavable for those people but we don't know the reason. >> again, we don't have any e-mail evidence which is exactly why the obama administration said you have to keep records real time inside the agency. this is the very reason why there are foia requests. >> and hold people accountable. >> and we don't know if there is a there. i will go back to the rose law firm -- come on, that rose nothing at rose. we don't know because they hid the files from investigators and journalists for two years. they hid the files, they controlled the files. and then you can assume whether they cleaned it up or not, but two years later, they said oh, you can look at these files. >> bill and hillary clinton obviously think it's inappropriate for a presidential
candidate to accept toe nations from foreign countries because now since she announced limited to great britain canada norway germany, a couple others because they don't think it's right for them to take money elsewhere. second thing, this illustrates to which hillary's fate are tied to her husband. a lot of the speeches were not the for her, but for bill clinton, but she will be held responsible fair or not for her husband, as well. >> isn't it fair to say that if you're secretary of state of the united states of america and your husband, hey, i'm getting paid $550,000 by saudi arabia to go give a speech for an hour or whatever. i mean most secretary of state, boom, would they not, mark? okay there's some questions, let's talk to the lawyers in the state department let's -- >> severe limitations on what ambassador spouses can do given the fact their spouses are
ambassadors. there are severe limitations. everything it at thethey do is monitored and cleared by the state department. >> clinton inc. as we like to call it played by different rules than a lot of people this government it and is held to a higher standard. bad combination for her politically. >> there is also the possibility that bill clinton could have been running serious game on many of these countries saying i'll talk to my wife give me the check. that's a possibility. >> so hillary clinton reacted to the questions that are begin to go come out about this as this book is given out to different news organizations.to go come out about this as this book is given out to different news organizations. alex sites wald is on the ground in new hampshire. you were there win she address the new allegations. what is your takeaway? >> reporter: well she definitely wanted to address the allegations. she hasn't taken many questions from iowa or here in new hampshire, but she came over
talked to the press. she said she wanted to put to rest. and she kind of did not address them head on, instead she spoke generally. she said we're getting into the political season there will be more attacks on me. and it's a distraction. and here's what she said. >> it is i think worth noting that the republicans seem to be talking only about me. i don't know what they would talk about if i weren't in the race, but i am in the race and hopefully we'll get on to the issues and i look forward to that. >> can you answer some of the questions about the things coming down with the pay for play allegations, e-mail back in 2012? >> those issues are in my view distractions from what this will campaign should be about. what i'm going to make this campaign about. and i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about, i'm going to talk about what is happening in the lives of the people of new hampshire and
across america. >> reporter: so this was no flat denial. instead she wants to get back to the issues. speaking very generally. >> alex, thank you. we're distracted. >> and this was not our top story. we saw the "new york times" story that was posted yesterday, the "post" has it today. we're just kind of talking about it. suddenly again all of these questions. like door yap said death by a thousand cuts. you see this and then it brings in the e-mails and you wonder what is -- and so here we are, this isn't even our top story and we've talked about it for ten minutes. the united states and iran could be heading to a show showdown -- >> what do you mean? this is a historic deal. >> we're doing a deal as
warships are now sailing off the coast of yemen. >> doing a deal and going to war? >> the mission to block iranian weapons from reaching shiite rebels fighting in yemen. jim miklaszewski has the latest from the pentagon. >> reporter: the aircraft care year theodore roosevelt arrived in the north arabian sea and along with seven other u.s. warships is prepared for a possible high sea standoff with iran. senior defense officials saying a convoy of freighters suspected of carrying weapons appears headed from iran to yemen to arm hud hoodi rebels. in addition to the u.s. a coalition of warships from egypt, saudi arabia, and united arab emirates have a blockade in place to inter-difficult any armed shipments. military confrontation could not
come as a worst time.any armed shipments. military confrontation could not come as a worst time. as u.s. a prepared to lift sanctions if iran halts its nuclear weapons program. there is also fear that any miscalculation on either side could lead on deadly consequences. >> test the waters too far, shots across the bow could damage someone. >> joining us now and iyman mohyeldin and general hayden. general, i'll start with you. i think what people walking up this morning want to know, are we headed no you for a confrontation with iran in the gulf in the midst of a nuclear negotiation? >> well, willie, i don't think so. i think there is more messaging than mayhem here in terms of our intent. but as jim miklaszewski pointed out, once you get these ships in close proximity, you thousand turnover american and iran kran
estate craft for that matter to local military commanders. so this could get out of hand. the messaging i think to iran is don't overstep here despite the nuclear negotiations. but i think the real messaging on our part is to our sunni buddies that we're still in the game with them. >> general, do you consider shiite takeover of yemen to stopping that be in the vital national security interests of the united states of america? >> vital is a big word. it means if you don't do it, you die. but i think it's a really important national security interest. only about one-third of yemen is shia, the other two-thirds sunni. so the word takeover oig is the right word. i think we're looking for a stable political settlement rather than what we have right now, which is a houthi takeover of the government. >> certainly it's a good
opportunity for the obama admin administration to do what you said, to show that they have not tipped the scales in favor of the shiites, but are still allies with the sunnis. >> i think that's right. and look we're giving a lot of ground in the nuclear talks. i was somewhere between surprised and shocked at the president's comment last friday that those front loading of sanctions relief is something that we're willing to do creative solutions about. i mean that's really walking back from a line i thought was pretty solid. >> ayman, it's not just american ships that are there. saudi, egyptian as well. is it more likely that there may be a confrontation with those two countries and yemen and iran than it is with the united states? >> well, i think the iranian navy would certainly have a much more serious challenge if not completely a difficult chance of breaking through a u.s. imposed block and i had. i think with the coalition
perhaps led by the saudis ue and egyptians, iranians may be more inclined to test the waters to see if they can actually get to yemen if that is ultimately their objective. but i think it's going to come down as jim miklaszewski was reporting, it really depends on who takes the lead in trying to impose this block and i had off the coast of yemen and to what extent iran will try to challenge that block and i had. >> we had a front line reporter here last week that was insistent that this had nothing to do with the sectarian warfare, that this was not about the shiites, this was about an oppressed group. you sure as hell couldn't convince most of the world of that looking in from the outside. doesn't this look like a standard shiite versus sunni split? >> a lot of things in the middle east start on the political front and then take a sectarian twist, if you will, a sectarian flavor. but there is no doubt if you take a look at the conflict in
yemen, yes, the driving force behind the rebels are the houthis, but they also aligned within the military. so, there are those that argue the driving force is the houthis and they have been the biggesting abiggest ing a ag agreesers, but at the same time, it's not just the houthis joining forces or fighting the central government. you have some within the yemen any military. again, iranians get involved to support the houthis. americans and saudis supporting their allies which is the yemeni center government. really a proxy war by most measures. >> general hayden let me go back to you. not far away from yemen, an
egyptian criminal court sentenced mohammad morsi and 13 others to 20 years in prison. what a remarkable arc of this narrative. we're looking at a man behind bars who graduated from usc, was a representative of what a lot of people had hopes for across the middle east and the arab spring, of course he took control and actually did more damage to the muslim brotherhood's reputation across that country than any enemies could ever do. certainly the united states. but now 20 years behind bars. is that a move that will promote stability or promote further unrest in that region? >> i don't think it promotes stability, joe. and it seems to be excessive and harsh. and in many ways criminalizing state craft and criminalizing political behavior. you know, i talked to the former president of egypt one sunny saturday morning in cairo.
and he was telling me how wise it was for him to isolate the muslim brotherhood, to keep them and their ilk away from any of the elements of power and we saw where that led us to an isolated group trending towards more violence. they took over the government. they performed very badly as you said. you have the counter coup with al sisi. and now those folks who are were the egyptian government in jail and for long jail sentences. it sdwnt suggest the kind of inclusion that i think egyptian society i think has to get to before becomes more stable. we're doing this from north america. sisi thinks he has local and immediate problems to deal with but i think in this case he's acting against his long term best interests. >> and you have 30 years of mubarak that led to a lot of concerns mopping mopping elements of the population. morsi came in promising the
muslim brotherhood would not be politicized that they would not take part. they did in fact and they became insulated. and nowsisi seem to go do the same thing. they do not value inclusion at all. >> i think for the most part it's a leadership that has for large part over the past several years constantly been out of touch with the reality of what is happening on the ground in egypt. i think general sisi or president sisi now would make the argument that he has the best pulse of what is going on in cairo and trying to address those challenges. but when you take a look at the fact that over the course of the transition period there were people who whether they were either supportive or sympathetic of the muslim brotherhood constantly being alienated, are you pushing more of a part of the egyptian society into the fringes and that can be a challenge for president sisi and political framework he's trying to build. >> amen oig general, thank you. still ahead, chris matthews joining us ahead of his
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time now to take a look at the morning papers at 24 past the hour. from nbcnews.com, the death penalty phase of the boston marathon bombing trial expected to begin later today. a federal jury will decide whether dzhokhar tsarnaev will be sentenced to life in prison without parole or death by lethal ingestion. the injection. meanwhile thousands took to the streets of boston on monday to celebrate patriots day and this year's marathon.
more than 030,000 registered. promise in cancer fight is the headline. researchers are testing what could be a major innovation in getting ahead of the deadly disease. a blood test called the liquid biopsy is showing promising results in finding tiny snippets of cancer dna in a patient's blood. far less invasive method. a study published found the test predicted recurrences more than three months before they were noticeable on ct scans. the liquid biopsies are also helping doctors identify patients unlikely to respond to therapy preventing unnecessary side effects from failing treatments. the associated press in new zealand this morning, long time drummer of ac/dc pleaded guilty to a charge of threatening to kill a man who used to work for him. 60-year-old phil rudd has played with the heavy metal band on and off for the last four decades.
rudd acknowledged offering cash vehicles and house to an associate after asking him to have the former employee taken out. his guilty plea also included possessing meth and marijuana. he faces up to seven years in prison. though his lawyer says the prosecution's case boils down to an angry phone call. >> rock and roll, man. >> items's only rock and roll. >> but i like it. >> no we don't like that. >> it's a song lyrics. let's go to variety. jon stewart has set a firm date now for his final broadcast. it will be august the 6th. meaning stewart will step away just as the 2016 campaign begins to heat up. stewart said in an interview that he wanted to leave the show with the what he called ased fuel of a presidential campaign. it is still unclear whenever trevor noah will take over and stewart offered up little about what he's planning for that last
show. >> my last daily show program will be august 6. i'll be wearing a suit i will more than likely be showered. i'm sorry, he'll be wearing overalls and i won't shower. so i hope that you will join us for that program. >> are you going to watch that last program? >> of course i will. >> a real life kermit the frog has been found. except this one does not sing. the new species was found in costa rica. and it looks a lot like the famous muppet oig. the green color and -- oh, my goodness. look. it looks like kermie. they're drawing comparisons to kermit all over the internet. unfortunately, he already has a name. one of the researchers named the
species dieni after his mother. isn't that amazing? >> it's all in the eyes. all right. amarillo globe news -- talk about a texas size appetite. >> who wrote that is this. >> 120 pound mother of four eats 72 ounce steak dinners -- >> she broke a report. this is a record. she ate three 72-ounce steak dinners. in 20 minutes. you say why. do you ask why of a swimmer who crosses the english channel? do you ask why of a mountain climber? >> look at her. are there children there? >> oh, my goodness. >> 120 pound, my friends. >> i like the hood and sunglasses. so this was all done in 20
minutes. >> and look, she's not done. >> she has a food baby. >> she's not done. >> she told the paper she had to turn down a fourth steak because she was sick of the taste. not because she was full. >> she was bored. >> that's an appetite. wow. >> do you know what that is? >> that's into the rightnot right. >> that's a texas size appetite. >> lease don't do that. that's will that as bad. let's get back -- coming up mika's must read opinion pages. still ahead, baltimore police department also taking action after the suspect we talked about with the mayor yesterday died in custody. the punishment the six officers are facing this morning. and where the investigation is taking baltimore. ♪ ♪
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a couple more headlines to get in this morning. politico is reporting a potential breakthrough in the dispute over the bill that has kept loretta lynch waiting for a confirmation vote as attorney general, waiting a long time. democrats have opposed a republican authored human trafficking pill because of its prohibitions against spending federal money on abortions.
majority leader mitch mcconnell vowed eded lynch would wait until the bill cleared but now compromise language appears close at hand. if and when lynch gets her vote in the senate it appears she will be confirmed with at least five republicans saying they will support her. >> mark halperin what do you think of this? >> democrats are very frustrate that had they haven't forced republicans to pay a huge political price for delaying this vote. she'll eventually be the attorney general and republicans i think will pay a small price. but the white house is pretty frustrated over it. >> she deserves the vote. >> and this is longer than has people have been saying longer than the last several nominees combined. and for republican congress that is so december spices and hates attorney general eric holder why she's being held captive to this particular provision of the bill. as opposed to some other kind of -- >> i was going to say, what
republican can go back to their district and say i fought hard to keep eric holder as your attorney general! i mean -- >> that's what they can say. >> doesn't play where i'm from. >> she's extremely qualified. >> and also there are a lot of republicans who actually have come out and said some pretty nice things about her. she's not an idea log oig. >> people will say what does a vote to her have to do with a sex trafficking bill. >> republicans would do he themselves a favor to get this one through and get it out of the way. because you're exactly right it feeds into that reputation. so republicans have long warned that ohio governor john kasich could be a formidable candidate should he decide to run for president. and now he is closer to joining the growing 2016 cast. in a web video, kasich announced a 527 tax exempt organization
called new day for america while calling for national unity, balanced budget and tax reform. meanwhile likely candidate wisconsin governor scott walker has reportedly drawn the favor of the koch brothers. the "new york times" reports david koch said at a fund-raiser we will support whoever the candidate is but it should be scott walker. that's pretty good. the kochs have reportedly pledged nearly $900 million to the 2016 cycle. is that like a semi endorsement? >> he came out of there, he pushed back, he said we're not endorsing anybody. and that is david koch talking in new york city. and david koch does not talk -- speak for charles or the koch brothers. he was at lunch. he made an off the cuff comment. just said it should be scott walker. not that it is scott walker. but just in his opinion. and of course they made no secret they like him, but they don't usually get in the business of primaries. >> the full force of the koch
network is not going to get behind scott walker but a lot of people will and they might as individuals. but scott walker has a chance to raise the second most money of anybody running which would be a big deal. and this is a sign that a lot of very wealthy folks would like him to be the nominee. kochs get a lot of attention, but their network has a lot of people in it who will take this as a signal. >> some very independent people in the network, as well. so i'm sure they're all going to split up but there is no doubt. and if you look at scott walker it's not a real surprise. you look at him i'd longically and he fits the small government that they like. >> and so will this is a huge disadvantage for rand paul if scott walker seems to havehe fits the small government that they like. >> and so will this is a huge disadvantage for rand paul if scott walker seems to have the in with the kochs. and it also points to a structural disadvantage for senators running for president
versus governors. i think scott walker is much more attractive to that network because he has a track record as an executive. >> and the kochs have supported scott walker in the past. it isn't breaking news. during the recall fight and the rest of it they were in his corner. >> bush, walker and rubio are trying to separate themselves from the rest of the field. kasich would like to be considered but he has a long way to go. and then you have people like rapped paul and ted cruz and mike huckabee trying to make the argument this is much more wide open. i think they're more right there a top tier but it is vulnerable to a lot of other people. >> so we were talking yesterday about how it could be trouble because there are so many people that are so good up there by past election standard. scott walker will have his group of supporters. he will be strong. rapped paul will rand paul will have his group and he will be strong. marco rubio is a political superstar up there. he's going to be strong. ted cruz is one of the smartest
guys in the feed andooeld and can he raise money. he will be strong. shouldn't we be looking at this the other way since there are so many strong candidates, tie goes to bush? he get his 15%, 16%, 17% and all these other strong candidates split themselves up and mike huckabee gets part of the evangelical vote santorum gets part of the evangelical vote. on and on and on. >> as a stack analysis, you're right. that's why i think bush could win iowa and most people don't think that. the problem for bush is that there is a lack of enthusiasm. so he may be at 23% in the polls or 17% and leading in the state or nationally. but when it comes time to vote, you look at rubio, christie paul huckabee washingtoner cruz. there will be energy behind them. we haven't seen energy behind bush with the exception of very very rich people. >> and i didn't even bring up chris christie who a lot of people were talking about making
a come packback up there. every single one of the candidates have a very long way to go even to draw near the popularity of hillary clinton. >> but remember that's a national poll. so hillary clinton will do really well in california and new york and new jersey and other big liberal states. chen when you get to the electoral college, it will be smaller than that. coming up, a new book questions for donations to the clinton foundation. why david brock says the reporting doesn't hold up. he join us next. sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan. and someone who listened and helped us along the way. because we always knew that someday
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author of the upcoming book clinton cash, which is seth said to claim that foreign entities that donated money to the clinton foundation received favors from hillary clinton while she was at the state department. thank you for joining us. >> we just wish that you you would have come on a busier day. we've got absolutely nothing to talk about here. go ahead, mika. >> well, i guess the first question is how can you push back? the book is not out yet. how will we know if there was a true answer to the question if there is no e-mails that track anything? >> well, look yeah the pook isn't out yet and i haven't read it. i give that you point. but look there is a long history journalistically and politically with this author and what we were trying to do in the report we published yesterday, 7,000 words, we found ten cases of really seriously botched journalism.
promotional deals with the author. the "times" hyped the story, praised it, they we would publicly available information about the author they note that had he runs some called the government accountability initiative, but they don't say that that's funded by prime funder of ted cruz's super pac, by donor trust which is a koch brothers pass-through. so it's subsidized by hillary clinton's enemies. and on the journalism, i've written books, the "times" can look at this book but don't outsource your journalism to rupert murdoch's publishing house. so i think it's dicey for the "times" and there are a number of cases here, they falsely accused a sitting senator of a crime and that led to a retraction. so that's not the news that is fit to print. >> are you more interested in knowing whether the facts as laid out or the allegations laid
out are true or impugning the author? >> well, i'm interested in whether the facts in the book are true. and i'm also interested in the author's history. and all we're saying here is let's on the front end be up front and don't hide. now, he's a prolific author, i'll give him that. but one of the books that he's written, he scrubbed from his website. it's called disney the mouse betrayed. i have it here. and the betrayal here apparently is that disney's policies are to treat their gay employees fairly and to allow visitors to the park. i'm gay and i think that's wrong. i think it's cruel. and i think it's hateful. >> you're bringing inning ins of other stuff. again, should we be focused on the truth or lack of truth of what he's saying rather than running through his bio? for instance your bio is something that some people consider controversial, but when you put ideas forward, we like to just talk about the ideas you're putting forward not revisit everything you've ever done.
>> look, i think it's fair to revisit what's happened to me. i've been very open about it. all i'm saying here is don't hide. don't scrub a book from your website that is cruel and anti-gay. i think that's an important thing for people to know. now, look the publisher says on their website that there is no allegation here of illegality or anything unethical. so i think what we'll be left with is 100% innuendo. the three cases the "times" cited yesterday in their report mainstream media credible media have looked at those exhaustedly, "wall street journal" spent nine months going over this territory and they were looking for inpropriety and conflicts of interest and they concluded that had there was no evidence of such. so let's see what the book says when it comes out. i'd be happy to come back if i'm wrong about it and be happy to say that but i think this is a political put up job and i can smell it a mile away. >> i'm wondering what the issue is with the "post," the "times" and fox news getting the exclusivity rights to the book.
it seems to me that those news organizations will look into whether those allegations are true or not. what is the issue with the -- this happen all the time in publishing. >> yeah that's not really dirty. >> no look i think that's a usual practice. my question is before the "times" entered into a promotional deal and got in bed with the author did they do any vetting. we did the vetting at media matters and i don't think he passed. others can make up their own minds about that. >> david, there is willie. so i understand your argument here is consider the source. let's put that to the side for one moment and put the shoe on the other foot. if we were talking about condoleezza rice or colin powell or james baker or someone else, wouldn't you be curious, and he know you're a smart and curious guy, about whether or not there had been any connection? wouldn't it be fair to look into it and ask these questions about whether or not the giving of foreign money to a foundation that belonged to that family in any way influenced the action that person took as secretary of state or as a presidential can
candidate? >> yes it's a legitimate issue. as secretary clinton said yesterday, that kind of skrutity comes with the territory of running for president and yes, people should go to and look at secretary clinton's actions. they're public and she -- >> but we kind of can't. because what should be in the public record or at least viewed by the state department has been scrubbed. >> so i guess that's the next question, david. we have these things stacking up. is it fair to actually ask again going back to the e-mail controversy whether in fact there may be information there that could help us figure out whether there was a quid pro quo? because at the end of that's the question that has to be uncovered. does a lack of e-mail a trail of e-mails, does it make it harder to get to that answer? >> well, 55,000 pages of e-mail
have been turned over to the state department. >> that's not the question. sgr and those will become public. so if there is anything relevant in there, sure, then we'll find that out. >> but david, i'm talking about the ones that were scrubbed. don't defwlekt. i'm talking about the ones that were scrubbed. how can you get answers from the ones that were scrubbed that might be considered, quote, personal business? there is no answer is there. >> there is. everything relevant to her public duties is in those 55,000 pages. >> says who? no. >> that's the way the law works. >> no actually david, you don't have to give me a lesson on the regulations of the state department. she scrubbed e-mails because she felt like it. and that went against regulation. and she says they were -- >> it does not. it totally followed regulation. >> she says it was her call that she scrubbed e-mails that she wanted to scrub. sgr it's everybody's call in into e to make those koiss. so let's not create a double standard for hillary clinton.
>> are we going to do this again? >> no. we've done this before. >> let's talk about the book. >> we've had the debate about the -- >> we are talking about the book. >> i'm sure david, after the book comes out, we'll all read it and let's meet back here again same place and talk about it more. >> be happy to do it. >> thank you david brock. we appreciate it. and coming up -- well, you know this is going to be -- this is obviously -- we'll read the book and i like what was said, instead of empuning the journalist, let's read the book and let the rise or fall on their own. >> facts matter the most but we should know his record. what his by on is what he's done in the past is absolutely part of the discussion, but the facts matter more. >> and following a point david just said if in fact he has connections with ted cruz's super pac or with other
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>> positioned to intercept a convey suspected of carrying weapons pound ss bound for yemen. >> also fear that miscalculation could lead to deadly consequences. >> i would hope they will turn around. >> we love hillary! >> trying to run from a spring storm, hillary clinton ran into a political storm. side tracked by questions about foreign donations to her family foundation. >> there have been a lot of accusations that have been lobbed. they have not been accompanied by much evidence. >> those issues are in my view distractions from what this campaign should be about. i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about. police documents say gray was taken into custody without force or incident. >> somewhere between his arrest and his arrival at the police station -- >> neck broken and spine almost immediately severed. >> i know when mr. gray was
placed inside that van, he was able to talk and when mr. gray was taken out of that van, he could not talk and he could not breathe. welcome back to "morning joe". we have mark halperin still with us and joining thehealy. and in washington, chris matthews of course getting ready for his interview with president obama tonight. chris, good to have you. >> chris, what do you want to hear from the president tonight? >> all kinds of things joe. i've got two hours to prep again after this show. obviously what is going on with iran and possible military confrontation, of course this reminds me of the cuban missile crisis. avoiding a war but yet military force to do it. it's tricky business. >> obviously the president is in the middle of debate over massive trade pac, that will be a big part of your conversation as well. >> it is.
because presidents in the democrat being h.kbeingic have tended to be for trade. hillary clinton is a little murky, but i think she's for it in principle. so you have the democrats at the top have been for trade. and yet the democratic party represents the rust belt from northern new york pennsylvania, ohio across the midwest. very concerned about hollowing out of manufacturing in those areas. so the republican party has becomed settled in the south largely and rocky mountains. the democratic party owes a lot to its base in midwest and upstate new york and places like pennsylvania. so you have people like bob casey and sherrod brown. and now chuck schumer because he does represent upstate new york all being anti-trade. >> do you think it's a mistake to be anti-trade or at least to be skeptical of all free trade deals? >> it's just an old argument that both sides do it. i grew up in a city, north
philly, as a kid where they used to be factory jobs for my grand pop, local democratic committee man, but he went to a factory job at night. high uncle charles went to a bud plant. it was always within 20 minutes away a big industrial place to work with good blue collar jobs. they're gone. they're gone. and so the democrats see that loss very dramatically because there are people that have lost those job opportunities. >> so let's talk about the message of the candidates for 2016. today is the second day in new hampshire for hillary clinton. but she is facing new questions this morning about her time as secretary of state. an krupupcoming book called clinton cash krams foreign entities received special favors from the state department if they donated to the clinton foundation or hired form i president bill clinton as speaker. according to the "new york times," two examples cited are free trade agreement with
columbia and development projectsprojectper colombia and reconstruction proper vekts in haiti. the book claims bill clinton received more than $1 million by a canadian bank and shareholder in the keystone pipeline as the state department debated the project. a spokesman for clinton's campaign called the book part of a republican effort on twist previously known facts into conspiracy theories. clinton her down played any concerns about the book in addition to criticizing republican attacks on her. >> it is i think worth noting that the republicans seem to be talking only about me. i don't know what they would talk about if i current in the race, but i am in the race. and hopefully we'll get on to the issues and i look forward to that. >> can you answer the questions about things coming up regarding the allegations in the latest
book e-mails after 2012? >> you know those issues are in my view distractions from what this campaign should be about, what i'm going to make this campaign about. and i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about. i'm going to talk about what is happening in the lives of the people of new hampshire and across america. >> mark halperin is there a there? >> a lot of the stuff surrounding the book i think is ridiculous and sildly. bill clinton can get paid for speeches. all former presidents have. george bush does to this day. the stuff that is most serious is if the foundation or president clinton was taking money, whether hillary clinton changed her opinion or not, there is an appearance of a problem because the family is getting a benefit. and i'm almost certain just knowing about the world that they had access to her in the state department because they gave. that's just the way the world works. >> you give somebody half a
million dollars for an hour -- >> you get your calls learnreturned. there is no evidence of quid pro quo, but there are questions on some of these to be answered about the decision making at the state department what meetings were had and whether there was benefit gained by helping the clintons financially through government action. we just don't know. and we should look at it carefully and soberly and not in hysterical drudgery fashion. >> kaeflly lycarefully and soberly. patrick, you've been on the hillary beat. i mean, it was the e-mails and now it's this. is it going to be one chapter after another chapter in her campaign? >> is it just a distraction? >> here is the thing. republicans are looking for attacks to try out. they're sort of going through a long laundry list to see what sticks. up in new hampshire, mark and i both saw this sort of one after another republican was sort of
trying out a line trying out a line of attack. you get an entire book and of course one side will be able to say this is innuendo, these are distractions, we've been through all this before. but the reality is that her four years at the state department is very much a fresh record that people will be able to look at, republicans will be able to look at and you have a lot of deleted e-mail that people will be able to go back to again and again and say if you didn't go anything wrong, if there is nothing there, why did you delete these e-mails. >> what is your gut as a journalist and a journalist covering hillary clinton right now about when you read this in the "new york times" yesterday, as a journalist, as a reporter, did you needily go back to those e-mails and go huh, wonder what was in the 35,000 e-mails? what were your thoughts? >> sure absolutely. you sort of wonder what are -- in terms of going through benghazi which is certainly a real issue, in terms of decisions that she may have
made, like mark said access is fairly common. these major countries will have overlap. so going back through -- the problem is that the side will try to prove some kind of either quid pro quo, some kind of direct link. and i don't think that is how anybody thinks you'll beat secretary clinton. you'll be able to say she carried water for this country simply because, you know of a half a million dollar donation. it's not so much that. it's more of the pile-on. >> clintons have been doing this a very lon time. i think if you had every e-mail they ever wrote, they would never be stupid enough to write down i'm going to change my position because you gave me half a million dollars. >> it's a playbook you've seen and anybody who has covered politics has seen before which if something critical comes out, clinton supporters, surrogates will attack the source. say we've seen this before and
go back threw thekck through the laundry list. what are your questions about this particular one shall? >> it's always dangerous to take money from somebody. there is always an assumption that there is a reason the gave you the money. it doesn't look right to most people. and people always want to know what you did with power. you know that. they want to know how does a person use power when they get it for their own self, are they greedy, do they use it as something to leverage. we grew up this big city politics with corruption was rampant this big cities, not just jersey, but new york philadelphia. big city politicians have always seen an opportunity where there was money to be made and most elite level like the clintonnitiative, people would say why did you take the money. did you get something for that? and remember ronald rayeagan left office and went to japan and got the $2 million deal everybody
gave him hell for that. >> i was going to say, they raised hell when ron ronald reagan made $2 million. bill clinton has made $100 million or so. you've been covering the clintons for a very long time. how do the clintons use power? and given 30 years of history following them does this story cause you concerns? >> well, there is a history of doing fine work for the country, but there is always the marc rich question why did he give that guy the pardon. this guy is a sleaze ball. why did they do it. there is no reason to give him anything. he's a bad guy. so why did they do it? the question of how they used the white house to raise money in the '96 campaign. the whole hotel 6 thing. people basically paying to stay there. the questions are around the edges, but distraction is a term that you'd use from a campaign
perspective. it's not a it's not a distraction when you look for something interesting to report on. if she has no opponents, what will you talk about? you'll talk about questions about her appropriateness for this office. right now my assumes is total innocence. i don't think the gi childrenchinlintons are guilty of anything, but the fact that this author is bad doesn't mean he doesn't get in dirt. you could say it's a right winger, but in the end, what's he got. >> why did you go in to this assuming innocence? >> well, because that's a fair thing to do isn't it? this guy is accusing these people of corruption. i think an assumption of innocence would be appropriate about the clintons. >> is that what -- >> corruption? >> i'm not assuming guilt, but i'm just asking whether innocence is the standard for reporters. >> clearly until it's approachproven,
it's not proven. >> i think it will be once she goes before a big wall street audience and how does she talk about regulating banks again how she will handle the financial system. and then looking at, ook, the big donations that will come before her campaign. does she go before and deliver a hard income inequality message or does she start shading it. those are the issues when actually as president what she would be able to sort of focus on. it will be less about, okay you gave this much money six years being a ago, how does the foundation -- >> fascinating you bring that up. she's running against herself. she's going out there saying nothing. it's general platitudes. whereas if you're running against somebody who is attacking you and you're attacking back and you're talking about issues nobody
ever stop you when you're going 90 miles an hour. if she were on wall street saying you're my friend but we have to break up the bank, rich are getting richer, poor are getting poorer too big to fail has gotten bigger wages are flat, you guys are going home making billions of dollars, paying 14% in taxes. while your secretaries are paying 28% in taxes. nobody would be looking at the fine details of what happened here and there and here and there. you say nothing, then suddenly- >> what you just said, and i know it's a side issue and she's not running and blah, blah, blah. but that's exactly what elizabeth warren did in a room with a big bank. >> they thought she could still the first fill the first week with bur retoes and it would be new and fresh. they now realize that not just because of the timing of the book, but this general the press' attitude is without an opponent, she'll have to find a
way every week to create shall diversion, something big now fill the vacuum. otherwise the vacuum will be filled by foia requests and e-mail question. >> gont thedon't the clintons have a history of underestimating the recent? they may give shallome democrats a free pass sometimes, but they have never given hillary clinton a free pass. >> i think it's so interesting. first of all i think hillary's big question will she go left or center left. personally i'd like to see center left but it's her decision not ours. but i think part of the answer to your question of class i think a lot of roerts sfof reporters feel like they're like the chinlintons. they went to harvard or
whatever. they feel like the clintons are of their class, and they can judge them as peers. i think there is something there. they feel like i know people like take. they don't treat them like the bushes like old money or something or reagan because he's hollywood. we know these people. they go to martha's vineyard they go to south hampton or east hampton. they know them socially. and so i think i know them, i'll try to figure them out. a sense of fair game they're like us. they're competing with us. don't forget that part. there is a lot of journalism about who do you think you are. and how come i'm not president and how come you're president. >> it was always interesting, i always did poorly and i think -- i hope michael doesn't cut my mike because i'm going to talk about when i was in politics.
but it was always very interesting, older voters loved me. and they voted for me in like massive numbers. younger voters people my age, why are you runrunning? you're only 29. it follows up on what chris is saying. familiarity breeds contempt. >> especially if they feel like you aren't being asked the questions if a they relate to. if the media is asking egg heady questions and they want to get to know you as a person. and the reality is she has ten months potentially without a serious opponent. we know how this dynamic works. if you had an opponent that was talking about policy issues policy distinctions or just whether you have sort of the meddle to the president the way barack obama and john edwards did with her, if you have a reality where it's her going to new hampshire and meeting in the staged events and then south carolina and then neff if she
really thinks she can do this sort of slow ramp up to what a real campaign looks like respect it's just going to get hotter and hotter and hotter between her and the press corps asking these recycled questions. >> exactly. let's turn to a story developing overseas this morning. american warships have been deployed off the coast of yemen prepared to intercept the suspected transport of iranian weapons from reaching houthi rebel forces. jim miklaszewski is on this story. what's the latest here? >> reporter: no 23resh word this morning on the exact whereabouts of that iranian convoy. which includes not only freighters, but iranian warships for the first time. and as you know willie the u.s. and iranian navys have been playing cat and mouse games and per sthan gulf and straits of hormuz for decades. but this time there is real concern either side could go too far and end up in a military
confrontation at sea. >> reporter: the aircraft carrier radios dealt vived in the north arabian sea and is prepared for a possible high sea standoff with iran. a convoy of freighters suspected of carrying weapons appears headed from iran to yemen to arm iranian backed houthi rebels engaged in all-out war. the convoy is escorted by warships from the iranian navy and revolutionary guard. in addition to the u.s. a coalition of warships from egypt, saudi arabia and united arab emirates have a block and i had in place to interdict any armed shipments. a military confrontation between the u.s. and iran could not come at a worst time. as the u.s. is prepared to lift sanctions against iran if iran halts its nuclear weapons program. there is also fear that any miscalculation by military commanders on either side could lead to deadly consequences.
>> test the waters too far, shots across the bow end up actually damaging a ship or killing someone, and we could see how these things could spin out of control. >> the concern is not only that the u.s. and iranians could bump heads in the gulf of aden with their warships but that if in fact the iranians engage with some of the arab coalition, the egyptians, saudi arabians even united emirates have their warships in that area to put up a block and i had against any armed shipments to yemen, would the u.s. have to come to their aid. so there are all kinds of bad news scenarios that could evolve from this. the hope here is that the iranians for now are just testing the system to see just how far the u.s. would go. >> and as you said all this against the bag drop of a nuclear negotiation. jim miklaszewski at the pentagon thanks so much. and chris matthews thank you very much. >> chris, we're very excited about the interview tonight.
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baltimore has become the latest city to come under scrutiny over allegations of police brutality. six police officers have been suspendeded over the death of a man injured while in police custody. joining us live from baltimore police headquarters, tom costello. tom, what are you hearing from police there this morning? >> reporter: good morning. the police commissioner here
says that 25-year-old freddie gray did not suffer any additional injuries that's important, in other words no broken bens no contusion ss ss bones or confusions, but suffered a fatal spinal cord injury. so the question is was that the rut result of an accident in the spine or did something criminal occur to cause his fatal injury. [ screaming ] >> reporter: it's been nine days since 25-year-old freddie gray was arrested and dragged to a baltimore police van at some point suffering a spinal cord injury that claimed his life. the arrest captured on cell phone video. now police acknowledge gray repeatedly asked for medical help, but officers waited 40 minutes before calling paramedics. >> noticed he was having a little trouble breathing where we should have probably asked for paramedics. >> reporter: police have new
released released surveillance video but the moment of gray's injury was not captured. monday evening protesters were again on the streets demanding answers. >> we're concerned this is a pattern. >> reporter: over the past four year more than 100 have won court judgments or settled with baltimore over police brutality prompting the mayor to ask the the justice department to investigate even before this incident. does this city have a problem with police brutality? >> i think this city has had a history of that. i think this country has had a history of that. >> reporter: this morning baltimore is again on edge. police say they initiated the chase with mr. gray because they made eye contact with him at 8:30 in the morning on a sunday in kind of a rough neighborhood and he began running. however, once they caught him, he only had a switch blade on him, no gun, no drugs and he really had a very minor rap sheet, some drug violations and a theft violation.
also the last point here is that the police commissioner also said there is a camera inside that police van that was transporting mr. gray but it does not record, on only allows the driver to see what is going on in the back and the driver did call for other officers to come and help and did call for medics ultimately. back to you. >> tom, what we don't understand, and maybe you can help us out here because i'm sure you've studied this a lot more closely than we have, when you have this scene of the police officers dragging the man to the van, the suspect to the van, he is already limp. >> and screaming in agony. >> and it doesn't appear that he can use his legs. he's already limp. and yet the police say he had no trouble moving or walking before he got into the van. >> that's not the true. >> he appears to be completely limp and in ultimate agony as he's being put into the van. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. i think that's what everybody is asking here. was there an injury that occurred there.
however, here is the problem. he was in the van and then at a certain point according to the police became irate and they pulled over and felt the need to put ankle restraints on him. so was he at that point able to kick? was he becoming irate inside the van and still able to use his legs? we simply don't know. did the injury occur as he was being arrested or did something else occur as they were putting him into the van maybe the second time. that's the bottom line on this investigation. yesterday i asked the mayor ultimately this could be a homicide investigation, a homicide at the hands of police. and she said we are going to take this investigation wherever it leads. >> all right. tom costello thank you so much. we appreciate you you being with us this morning. and dorian this is a city that we're learning now has had so many problems with police brutality. >> a city that has had lots of problems acknowledged by the mayor and the chief of police so much so that they invited the
justice department into conduct an investigation in to policing practices. what we also know is that since 2011, the city has paid out $6 million to families of victims of police brutality. so this is both an issue of simply -- >> a city of high murder and crime rate. >> this is a tax issue, as well. folks are paying money for the inappropriate behavior and killing of people by the police. $6 million. so a question of the lives of these folks as well as taxpayer dollars. >> another interesting development, there was another man in the van being detained for some or all of the ride with freddie gray. so there will be a witness who was inside the van that they have already talked to. all right. coming up, he's teaming up with marvel? >> what are you doing? what is wrong with you? you did that on purpose just to irritate me. marvel? >> you knew.
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wow. that was the scene from the new drama american crime. joining us how is the show's creator, oscar winning write ir and producer john ridley. and -- >> yes? >> so i get it now. it's marvel. i know how to use it in a sentence. >> like i marvel at your i go nar ignorance of popular culture. >> i marvel at a lot of thingses about you. >> founding father of morning"morning joe" joe". good to have you back. >> a lot of people are going on wikipedia like that's not true. >> '07, he was there. >> summer of love. >> still broadcast in 4:3 back in the day. >> i don't remember anything about it because it was the summer of love as mick jagger said. but it's been a long time. you're looking great. >> thank you very much. >> making tons of money, getting
statues. where do you put it? >> i actually gave it to my parents for a while. and you would imagine that that -- a moment like that, that would be the one thing that could top it that your parents live to see. they couldn't get rid of it fast enough. they were so afraid of having it around. they were afraid someone was going to seal it. i'm like your toyota is a bigger target than that. no real market for that. so they gave it back at a nondisclosed location. >> nondisclosed location. talk about american crime. what was the idea behind it? >> actually abc came to me with the umbrella of a concept and it was after trayvon martin, they said they wanted to do a series of where we are now, how we see ourselves and each other in the wake of these events. and it was -- it's interesting, you just played that clip and after trayvon martin, there was
a moment we were creating the show and we thought this is passe, we've emotionally moved past a certain point. but to see that it could fit into the news, to see what happened a couple weekends ago in south carolina the gentleman being shot in the back i'm happy that we live in a country where we can deal with these things, but for whatever reason there are issues that we don't move beyond. >> seems like nonstop, a new story every week. >> and the thing is, what shocked me out of ferguson we were all very rightfully focused on the individual quhofsvidindividuals who shot and killed, but then we find out there are little indignities in the system happening on a daily basis and it takes this large event where you have someone like eric holder who i believe and trust who says look there is not enough here to show the officer did something wrong, that's what we're all focused organization but there were all these other things on a daily basis happening. and that's what i hope that we do with the show. not necessarily the outside
events it's what folks have to deal with every single day. >> and they're complicated. tell us about felicity huff's character. >> she's a phenomenal actor. but her character to deliver and say some of the things she says but not say them merely because she espouses them because she believes that this is the weighed it should be. things that she's lived through things that her family has lived through. and says them because they're coming from a real place. her character is frank, una bash bashed, but doing what she will do to protect her children. >> this show as you say is certainly reflection of a moment in american history. the list goes on and on. what good do you hope comes out of what we've seen? the country has been rocked by this. it's been unsettling to see some of the scenes. how do we push this forward? >> i really hope the good that
comes out of it again as i said with ferguson a very difficult moment that will not change. someone's life is gone and there was a circumstance that led to it. but if all of us can look at the system and say that someone -- myself getting a park ticket is different from somebody else and what does that really mean and the impact that it has on their lives. and all of a sudden they go from having a menial job to being unemployed to being in jail, what can we do to change the system and to remind everybody that when we say that there is systemic bias in the system i'm not wagging my finger at you saying it's your fault or that you're a racist but there really are things -- we're not crying wolf here and we really need to go through the systems and to vet them for people because they really do matter. >> and it is very complicated. you go to baltimore and there you have of course a black woman who is mayor and a lot of city officials who are also people of color. and you still have the statistics are absolutely okay shocking coming out of
baltimore. this is really -- race plays a very big part of it but -- >> police relationship with neighborhoods that have been high in crime for some time. >> absolutely. >> and if we just remain as well black and while we tend not to get past things. we also have to start widening the conversation. because the demographics are no longer just black and white. spanish, asian. >> we got a couple things here. remake of ben hur. that's huge. >> bold. >> can i ask you this? does he win this time? because you know, he always loses at the end. >> i wish could i take credit for half the work in my life, but a gentleman by the name of keith clark went back to the original source material of ben hur, most of us we think of the chariot race. we don't know about esther the coming of christ all of these elements that are so central to
the novel. keith clark went back rewrote the script, wrote a phenomenal script, they basically brought me into help the production it's huge, but i can't take the credit. >> where is it shooting? >> it's shooting right now in rome. but i'm here. they're off in rome. the life of a writer. >> morgan freeman? >> morgan treefreeman, sweetest guy. it really is the largest film that i've ever been involved in. and it will be absolutely spectacular. >> exciting. john ridley thank you so much. american crime airs thursday nights on abc. and coming up, senator ted cruz says he spoke to john mccain about a very important issue. but he's in for a surprise the arizona senator says he has no clue what he's talking about. we'll explain this when we come back.
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mccain. who says they have never discussed the issue. he then said maybe it was through some medium that i'm not familiar with. maybe bouncing it off the ozone layer or for all i know there is a lot of holes in the ozone layer, so maybe it wasn't the ozone layer that he bounced it off of, maybe it was through hand telegraph maybe sign language. who knows. >> he likes to poke ted cruz does. >> they're not the best of friends. when john mccain refers to my friend ted cruz -- >> sort of a southern version of bless her heart. >> if ted cruz heads toward the republican nomination just watch what john mccain does. >> still ahead jack and suzy welch join us next. thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things. the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them.
a great honor to have jack welch and suzy welch, co-you authors of the real life mba, guide to winning the game building a team and growing your career. it is number one and we're shallow enough to say we judge books by the cover. and this is a great cover. >> number one with a bullet. don't be left out if you haven't bought yours yet. >> so i want to get to this in
one second jack but i was up in new hampshire and four years ago, eight years lot of weak candidates. this year it looks like the field's stacked. >> an army of good guys but a nonpartisan book. >> i know. like i said we're going to get to the book. but i just wanted to ask you, do you have a favorite yet? >> i'm waiting for the debates, if you will. i like what ted cruz has to say. >> yeah yeah ted, take no prisoners approach. let's talk about the book now. >> yeah. >> and you and suzy go through all of your experiences, working together, what you've learned, what you've been talking, when you've been talking to businesses. how do you build a company, how do you make that company successful? how do you stay ahead of the curve? >> the whole book is about these times. we talked to a million people in the last ten years, around the world, we're dealing with all of
these private equity companies we've got a school jack welch management institute with 900 students, growing 40% a year and we're talking to them every day. so we've got a feel for what's on people's mind today. >> what happens on people's mind. >> a slow growth -- >> no more fun. fun has left work. the grind has come into work and that the sort of idea that business is a game and that you get out there every day and play, that was so much before 2008 that's pretty much gone. so, when we have been going around, we've been sad to see, really that work business which we think is a great force for good in the world of humanity, is not as fun as it used to be. >> what caused the change. >> recession. >> no growth. >> no growth. >> growth sucked out of the global economy and what we have to do as we point out in the book, get employees engaged, focus on growth and we've got ways to do that. now, the issue is engagement of employees is at record lows. gallop has a poll every month,
since 2008 35% of the employees are engaged the work. can you believe going to a game football game, 65% of your team staying on the sidelines. >> why is that? >> people are so focused on grinding it out, doing more with less, not seeing the part their piece of the same pie, not growing the pie, not exciting employees. >> is this part of a problem over the past 30 40 years where you've had companies that go public try to squeeze every dime out of it try to sell it try to make the quick kill and there's not as much of an investment in the long run? >> no, i don't think so at all. i think it's a problem of the 2008 recession. this thing was huge. it changed the psychology of people. they don't know what happens, where they're going in their career. some feel stuck in there, they don't like their boss there's all of these things. we're dealing with this in this book. >> but shouldn't there be -- i mean there's not as much as a
buy in suzy as there's been in the past. >> right. >> there has to be more than just the recession causing that. >> there's a certain cynicism about the man and, you know i think also the rise of entrepreneurs. this idea that you can go start your own company, you can become a billionaire doing it even though glancingly few people who become entrepreneurs become billionaires. there's a romantic notion about the entrepreneurial experience and that's made people feel less engaged with companies of 100, 200 people and you want to change that. that's not the way it should be since we spend 4060 hour as a week working. >> yesterday our church got a new minister i kept telling them, they waited two years, they said keep waiting, whether running a church or whether running a corporation or whether running a country, you have the best facilities in the world, you can have the best people in the world, but if you have a weak leader it dies. what do we learn from the guy who's considered the greatest co
in the past 50 years, what do we learn in this book and what do we learn in your course about what make a great leader? what's the difference. >> we spend so much time thinking and talking about leadership, if you google leadership, it's 4 trillion things. for the book we wanted to pull a lot of that away and talk about what really is leadership? jack came up with this idea it boils down to these two different dynamics at the same time. >> truth and trust. if you get an organization where truth is the focus, not spin not everybody coming in and making their own case and you get truth, you really get speed, you get people comfortable, a lot of things happen. >> a leader that can say, hey, i screwed up. >> i screwed up. >> let's do it again. >> let's do it right. >> give me a makeover. >> right. >> to do that, you've got to have trust. >> final question, you've been out there for a decade working together, around the country, seeing thousands of great leaders, i'm going to ask an
uncomfortable question i'm going to ask each of you, give me a leader give me somebody that somebody starting in business should look at and try to emulate. who have you seen that they're like wow? >> i like jeff bezos, so courageous so honest. he's done it his way, a strong strategy awesome. >> jack? >> kevin plank, love him. everybody we want to trade with me we're going after it. >> mark. >> scarborough. >> tender, yet tough. >> truth and trust. >> i was asking you to ask a final question. >> genius tramps and thieves. >> say that. >> genius is employees woez work you don't understand coders tramps are people who do not work within your eyesight, people working remotely. thieves, those are the people dynamics in the organization that spread fear because fear is the biggest thief in business today. >> all right.
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consequences. >> i would hope these ships, if carrying weapons, will turn around, no match for the american war ships. >> we love hillary! >> trying to run from a spring storm, hillary clinton ran into a political storm. side tracked by questions about foreign donations through her family foundation. >> a lot of accusations have been lobbed. those accusations have not been accompanied by much evidence. >> those issues are, in my view distractions from what is -- what this campaign should be about. i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about. >> police documents say gray was taken into custody without force or incident. >> somewhere between his arrest and his arrival at the police station -- >> had his neck broken and his spine almost completely severed. >> i know when mr. gray was placed inside that van, he was able to talk. when mr. gray was taken out of that van, he could not talk and he could not breathe. >> all right. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's the top of the hour.
good to have you all here. good to be back. with us on set, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark hal pin and associate professor at columbia university school of international and public affairs, dorian warren along with willie joe and me. >> we've got a lot to talk about today. >> i know. >> you like that, don't you? >> no. >> you're laughing at the picture. >> the picture's terrible. they always do that to her. it's the money -- we could find a different way to talk about it. >> the masters of the photo composite. >> the masters of the photo composite. >> there's a new book. >> there's a new book. and also mark halperin "the new york times" wrote a story about it yesterday, saying this is more troubling than a lot of other clinton sort of tell-alls because, first of all, talking about cold, hard facts numbers. bill clinton made $50 million on speeches in foreign countries in the four years that hillary clinton was secretary of state.
there are a lot of other issues -- >> conflicts. >> -- where this book is tying things together. i will tell you, mika what i like about it. >> what? >> what i like about this story is that the clintons, it's going to be so easy for the clintons to disprove this. >> i know -- >> you know why? wind up. come on wind it up. you know why? >> why? >> let's wind up. why it's going to be so easy to disprove this in real time. >> what? >> there was no quid pro quo, there was no communication, there was no hey, listen i understand, that that that. you know why? >> why? >> look at hillary's e-mails. right? >> no. >> yeah we can look at hillary's e-mail that's the thing. willie -- >> there are none. >> when we helped interventnet, without gore, this will help you track down what people are doing in real-time. >> e-mails live forever. >> what do they say? don't ever type anything in an
e-mail unless you want it to be read by something. >> yes. thank goodness e-mails are there to help us piece this together. >> and well actually personal e-mails, right? >> unrelated to her work as secretary. >> by the way, this is -- seriously, this is the sort of stuff. >> yeah. >> -- that everybody was saying in real-time, and real-time, people were saying those, quote, personal e-mails, dorian that could be about clinton foundation speeches that could be communication that you could tie in with all of the other things and now they made you know, they're worth -- you know a couple hundred million dollars, probably. >> this is like death by a thousand cuts. >> yeah. >> first it's the e-mail scandal, now this book is going to come out, it's going to be around for a few weeks people will delve into it to see if there's there there. >> is the basic contention of the book that she's -- the clinton foundation received money from foreign countries,
some which have policies that we may not agree with that she was dealing with the secretary of state? >> exactly. >> whether as e-mails or not, isn't that -- if that money was changing hands, isn't that a problem or is it not? >> the problem is, you have this in a lot of political corruption trials, it's always proving the quid pro quo. proving that the e-mail was sent at a certain time about the same time that a deal was passed that would make somebody that paid bill clinton $100,000 or he made $550,000 as she was secretary of state, he gets paid that money the same time the allegations are here that thing passed through the state department that make the people money who were giving them $500,000, $350,000 and again, this again, if any clinton people think this doesn't intensify the questions about those e-mails, and what she was sending at what time mark
they're kidding themselves. >> a foundation you'd like to sell them in brooklyn. >> yeah, exactly. >> this is a great press story and it's a great study in how the clintons are subject to right-wing hit jobs and the media's interest in the clintons. but the facts will add in the end. in the end, we're all going to dig into the question whether she specifically engaged in any actions as secretary of state in order to help get money for the foundation or speaking fees for her husband. >> sole of the facts, the ex-president $48 million between in speeches between '09 and '13, more than half of the $48 million paid by companies in china, japan, canada russia saudi arabia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, cayman islands and the author writes of the 13 clinton speeches that fetched $500,000 or more 2 occurred during the years his wife was not secretary of state, bill clinton believed to be the richest living ex-president.
most estimates put their net worth between $100 million and $200 million. >> no doubt in my mind some people who gave to the foundation or hired him to give speeches did it in order to curry favor with the clintons. did she do anything as secretary of state to help those people? some instances in which she seemed to switch her positions to a more favorable position for those people but we don't know what the reason was. >> we don't have any evidence e-mail evidence which is exactly why the obama administration 2009 said you have to keep records, real-time, inside the agency of all communications. >> because you have a lot of different things going on. >> that was wiped out. this is the very reason why there are four-year requests so journalists can figure out if there's a there there. >> and hold people accountble. we don't know if there's a there there. i go back to the rose law firm billing, they go nothing happened there, nothing in rose well we don't know because they hid the files from investigators
and journalists for two years. they hid the files, controlled the files, and then you can assume whether they cleaned it up or not two years later, you can look at these files. >> bill and hillary clinton think it's inappropriate for a presidential candidate to accept donations from foreign countries because they've now, since she announced, limited to great britain, canada, stralaustralia, norway, and a couple of others because they don't think it's right to take money elsewhere. that's one thing. the second thing this illustrates greet to which hillary clinton's fate is tied to that of her husband. a lot of the speeches and influence were not for her but bill clinton but she will be held responsible, fair or not, for her husband as well. >> isn't it fair to say that if you're secretary of state of the united states of america, and your husband comes, hey, i'm getting paid $550,000 by saudi arabia to go give a speech for an hour or whatever i mean
most secretary of states boom would they not, mark say, okay there's some questions, let's talk to the lawyers in the state department. >> severe limitations on what ambassador spouses can do. >> right. >> given that the fact their spouses are ambassadors, there are severe limitations, everything they do is monitored and cleared by the state department. >> clinton inc, as we call it played by different roles than a lot of other people in government did and is held to a higher standard than a lot of other people. bad come been nation for her politically. >> also the possibility that bill clinton could have been running serious game on many of these countries saying i'll talk to my wife give me the check, and never -- that's a possibility. >> sure. >> hillary clinton reacted to the questions that are beginning to come out about this as this book is given out to different news organizations and different forms of exclusivity. msnbc reporter is on the ground in concord, new hampshire and joins us now.
you were there when she addressed these new allegations. what is your takeaway from how she responded? >> reporter: well mika she definitely wanted to address these allegations. she hasn't taken many questions from reporters in iowa last week or new hampshire but came over talked to the press. she wanted to put this to rest and didn't address them head-on, she spoke generally, we're getting into the political season, there's going to be more attacks and it's a distraction. here what happens she said. >>ee it is i think, worth noting that the republicans seem talking only about me. i don't know what they talk about if i weren't in the race but i am in the race. hopefully we'll get on to the earn issues and i look forward to that. >> reporter questions about some of the things that are coming up regarding the play for pay allegations in the latest book e-mails back in 2012? >> you know those, those issues
are, in my view distractions from what is this -- what this campaign should be about, what i'm going to make this campaign about, and i'll let other people decide what they want to talk about. i'm going to talk about what's happening in the lives of the people of new hampshire and across america. >> reporter: so there was no flat denial here though asked specifically, you know was there any wrongdoing special treatment, she did not give a flat denial. instead she said this is a dis distraction, she wants to get back to the issues. >> thank you. >> we're distracted. >> this isn't even a top story. >> it was not. >> we saw "the new york times" story that was posted yesterday, "the post" has it today, we're talking about it. suddenly, again, all of these questions, like dorian said death by a thousand cuts. you see this and then it brings in the e-mails and you wonder what's -- yeah. so, here we are, this isn't even our top story, and we've all
talked about it for ten minutes. let's get to the other headlines of the day. united states and iran could be headed to a military showdown this morning, as american war ships -- >> wait, wait what do you mean? doing a deal with them. this is an historic deal. >> well we're doing a deal as war ships are now sailing off the coast of yemen. >> going to war? >> the mission, to block iranian weapons from reaching shiite rebels who are fighting in yemen. nbc's jim miklaszewski has the latest from the pentagon. >> reporter: the aircraft carrier "theodore roosevelt "s arrived in the north arabian sea, with seven other u.s. war ships, prepared for a possible high seas stand-off with iran. senior defense officials tell nbc news that a convoy of freighters suspected of carrying weapons appears headed from iran to yemen, to arm iranian-backed houthi rebels engaged in war with yemeni military forces. the convoy is escorted by war
ships by the revolutionary guard. in addition to the u.s., a coalition of war ships from egypt, saudi arabia and united arab emirates have a blockade in place to interdict any armed shipments. a military confrontation between the u.s. and iran could not come at a worst time as the u.s. is prepared to lift sanctions against iran if iran halts its nuclear weapons program. there's also fear that any miscalculation by military commanders on either side could lead to deadly consequences. >> test the waters too far, shots across the bow end up actually damaging a ship or killing someone, and we can see how these things can spin out of control. >> joining us now, nbc news foreign correspondent. in washington former director of the cia, nsa, retired general, michael hayden. good morning. general hayden i will start with you. what people waking up this morning want to know are we head for a confrontation with iran in the gulf in the mid of
nukelar negotiation. >> i don't think 0 so. i think there's more messaging here. once you get the ships in close proximity, you now turn over american and iranian, for that matter, to local military commanders so this could get out of hand. the messaging, i think, to iran don't overstep despite the nuclear negotiations but the real messaging on our part is to our sunni buddies that we're still in the game with them. >> general, do you consider a shiite takeover of yemen to stopping that be in the vital national security interest of the united states of america? >> i mean vital's a big word, joe. it means if you don't do it you die. but i think it's a really important national security interest. only one-third of yemen is shia the other two-thirds sunni. your word "takeover" i think is
the right word here. i think we're looking for a stable political settlement rather than ha we have right hooe now which is a houthi takeover of the government. >> certainly nobody likes to see these tensions escalate but is this not a good opportunity for the obama administration to do what you said at the very beginning and that is to show them that they have not completely tipped the scales in the favor of the shiites across the middle east but still allies with the sunnis? >> no i think that's right, joe. look, we're giving a lot of ground in the nuclear talks. i was frankly somewhere between surprised and shocked at the president's comment last friday that those front loading of sanctions relief is something that we're willing to do creative solutions about. i mean that's really walking back from a line i thought was pretty sole. >> it's not just american ships that are there, there are saudi ships there, egyptian ship there's, as well. is it more likely that there may be a confrontation with those two countries and yemen and iran
than it is with the united states? >> well, i think the iranian navy would certainly have you know a much more serious challenge if not completely a difficult chance of breaking through a u.s.-imposed blockade. i think with the coalition, perhaps led by the saudis ue egyptians and the iranians may be more inclined to test the water to see if they can get to yemen, if that is their objective. i think it's going to come down as jim miklaszewski was reporting, it really depends on who takes the lead in trying to impose this blockade off of the coast of yemen and to what extent iran is going to try and challenge that blockade. >> we had a front line reporter here last week that was insistent this had nothing to do with sectarian warfare, this was not about the she its, about an oppressed group. you sure as hell couldn't convince most of the world of that looking in from the outside. doesn't this look like a standard shiite versus sunni
split? >> well, you know a lot of things in the middle east start off on the political front and then take a sectarian twist, if you will or a sectarian flavor to the conflicts in so many of the countries. but there's no doubt if you look at conflict in yemen, yes, the driving force behind the rebels are the houthis but they have also aligned with the former yemeni president and his loyal forces within the only yemeni military there are those arguing, yes the driving force are the shia houthis and they have been the biggest, if you will aggressors in terms of the ongoing violence but at the same time it's not just the houthis who are now joining forces with -- fighting the central government. you have some within the yemeni military who are split. the iranians get involved to support the houthis. and the americans supporting the yemeni central government if you lp
will. then it's a small microcosm of the sectarian tensions across the region and really a proxy war, by most measures. >> still ahead on "morning joe" -- her advice to muslim girls rebel, disobey, and throw modesty out the window. egyptian journalist is here with her provocative new book calling for a sexual revolution in the middle east. tina brown and bianna golodryga as well. bill karins. >> it's clearing out in the northeast. and off to the storms yesterday and last night, we're happy for than amazing pictures my favorite weather watcher, chris jansing took these photos and sent them to me from d.c. how about that from. the top of her apartment building? that's incredible stuff. as far as damage we were lucky. we didn't have tornadoes reported, wind damage and hail but that's it. rain is moving out, as i speak. now the heaviest kick up through maine.
hudson valley new york city. our poor friends in northern wisconsin and michigan that is snow showers this morning. there's a cold air mass coming down from canada that will be with us over the next couple of days. new york city happy to report no airport delays after yesterday's four-hour delays. today's a quiet day. no problems across the board. if you're on south beach, i apologize for your afternoon thunderstorm. you have to run off the beach. 86 degrees today. tomorrow, though, severe weather outbreak possible. watching oklahoma and texas including the dallas-ft. worth areas. we're going to include the threat of tornadoes as we go through tomorrow. this is the area of concern, southern half of oklahoma, texas, louisiana but it's this area in orange the greatest risk of tornadoes, tyler, texas, dallas texas areas towards wichita falls and south of oklahoma city. in all, 28 million people at risk for severe weather tomorrow afternoon. today a glorious day. washington, d.c., after the horrible storms yesterday, what a beautiful afternoon it will be on the mall. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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♪ time to take a look at the morning papers. from nbcnews.com the death penalty phase is expected to begin later today. a federal jury will decide whether convicted bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev will be sentenced to life in prison. the 21-year-old found guilty on all 30 counts. thousands of runners and spectators took to the street of boston on monday to celebrate patriots day, and this year's marathon. more than 30,000 people registered for the 119th annual
race this year. >> from "the new york times" new blood test shows promise in cancer fight is the headline. researchers are testing what could be a major innovation in getting ahead of the deadly disease. a blood test called the liquid biopsy showing promising results in showing tiny snippets of cancer dna in the patient's blood, a less invasive method. a study of 126 patients published found the test predicted reoccurrences more than three months before they were noticeable on ct scans. >> wow. >> the liquid biopsies identifying patients unlikely responding to therapy. >> the associated press in new zealand, the longtime drummer of ac/dc pleaded guilty to a charge of threatening to kill a man who used to work for him. hmmm. 60-year-old phil rudd played
with the band on and off for the last four decades. he acknowledged offering cash vehicles and a louse to an associate after asking him to have his former employee quote, taken out. >> wow. >> his guilty plea included possessing methamphetamine and marijuana. facing up to seven years in prison on threatening to kill charge, though his lawyer says the prosecution's case boils down to an angry phone call. >> rock 'n' roll, man. it happens. >> it's only rock 'n' roll. but i like it. >> no no no. >> no. >> don't like that willie. >> the a song. >> song lyrics. >> terrible. let's go to "variety,". jon stewart set a firm day for his final broadcast, it will be august 6th, meaning stewart will step away just as the 2016 campaign begins to heat up. stewart said in an interview published this weekend he wanted to leave the show with the, what he called assisted fuel of a presidential campaign. still unclear when trevor noah will take over and stewart offered up little about what
he's planning for that last show. >> my last daly show program will be august 6th, i will be wearing a suit i will more than likely be showered. i'm sorry, i'll be wearing overalls and i won't shower. so i hope that you will -- that you will join us for that program. >> okay. you're going to watch that last program? >> of course i will. >> a real-life kermit the frog has been found. >> what? >> except this one does not sing. the new species was found in costa rica. bless you, willie. looked like a lot like the famous muppet. the lime color and prominent eyes -- are we going to see the frog -- >> my goodness. >> look. >> it looks like kermie. drawing comparisons. the guy has a name one of the researchers named the species
diane, after his mother. it really looks like kermit. >> can't one be booked on the show? let's cross-examine it. >> it's all in the eyes. >> the amarillo globe news talk about a texas sized appetite -- >> who wrote that? come on! >> a 120-pound mother of four ate 3 72-ounce steak dinners. >> this is a record. she ate 3 72-ounce steak dinners in 20 minutes, willie doing a food challenge at amarillo, texas. you say, why? you say, why? >> texas toast? >> do you ask why of a swim who are crosses the english channel. >> look at her. look at her. >> do you ask why? of a mountain climber. >> are her children there? >> oh my goodness. >> oh, oh! >> 120 pounds. >> like the hood and sunglasses.
>> this was all done in 20 minutes. >> look she's not done. >> sides to deal with. >> a food baby. >> she's not done. >> she told the paper she had to turn down a fourth steak because she was sick of the taste. not because she was full she was bored. >> yeah. >> what else? >> that is an appetite. wow. >> you know what that is joe? >> that's not right. >> that's a texas sized appetite. >> that is a texas sized appetite. >> that's livin'. >> almost as bad. okay. let's get back. a lot of news. >> take the bull by the horns. >> all right. we'll be right back.
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♪ 31 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." we have news and finance ainge art yahoo! bianna golodryga and the founder of tina brown live media and women of the world summit tina brown. >> hello. >> we have a lot talk about. i'm going to there be. so excited. so is she. friday? >> fright. >> right together. let me put it on the schedule. we'll ride together. we're going to turn to talk about the mediterranean and a string of migrant disasters at sea. yesterday, another boat full of migrants, ran aground off the greek island and many were able
to reach the shore safely but at least three people were killed. follows a wreck off the coast of libya this past weekend that left up to 900 feared dead. european leaders met monday to discuss the flow of migranted to their shores including increased funding for border protection. here in the u.s. many of the major newspapers have the headlines on the topic with the single word in common "crisis." joining us from capitol hill the high commissioner for the united nations refugee agency antonio antonio gutierrez. >> thank you so much for being with us. this is a european crisis. what does your europe need to do to avert horrific disasters in the future? >> i think, first of all, and immediately we need a robust rescue at sea operation in central mediterranean. last year we had -- many criticized saying italians were
having an effective rescue at sea operation, because of that more people were coming. the truth is that's a european operation that is much smaller and essentially, focused on protecting borders, not on rescuing people. and the truth is without it there is more people coming more people dying. we need to re-establish in the central mediterranean a robust rescue at sea operation. then we need to make sure fight snuggling and trafficking and the horrible criminal gangs focus on that but also to create more legal avenues to come to europe. more flexible views of policies resettlement, humanitarianrm hume marn missions and countries of transit for people to have other choices and not forced to go across mediterranean in terrible terrible situations. >> i know this is a humanitarian
crisis, but a lot of the countries, italy included are experiencing economic hardships as well. how hard is it to be to persuade them to take in these refugees now? >> many of the refugees are coming from syria. we have now in lebanon, one-third of the population that is syrian or palestine. >> wow. >> we have in jordan a dramatic impact on the economy, on the society. turkey became the largest refugee country in the world. what we ask europe to do is to share, in a small scale, this dramatically heavy burden that the neighbors of syria are now suffering. so we need to put things into perspective. of course it's a big inflow into europe but nothing compared to with what's happening in lebanon, it's nothing compared to what's happening in jordan. it's nothing compared to what's happening in turkey. in those countries, they have received all of the refugees and granting them protection. >> tina brown? >> mr. commissioner, you know, i'm shocked that the u.s. is
doing so little. i mean we have been asked to take 600,000, we're taking 2,000, and each one has a one-year background check. what do you think the u.s. should be doing now in response to this crisis? this is a very big country, bigger than imploidingdeimploding, small countries the u.s. is the large of the resettlement country in the world. of the 100,000 people woo are able to resettle into the developed world every year coming from host countries of refugees in the developing world, in the vicinity of crisis. the largest share, 70% coming to the u.s. it is true we have been appealing for more and more opportunities for syrians, in particular, to be resettled and both in europe and in the u.s. and in canada and australia the numbers are small compared with the needs. we believe that about one-tenth of these syrians that have fled the country have protection requirements can not be met in
the neighboring countries, and should be resettled. talking now about 4 million syrian refugees almost 4 million syrian refugees. indeed we need the u.s. and europe and australian and canada to do much more in resettlement of syrians. >> thank you very much for being on the show. >> tina thank you, you're exactly right. i was reading an article a couple of weeks ago that sweden is taking 15 times as many people from syria as is the united states. and it's dramatically changing the makeup of that country, whereas we're a country over 300 million, we could absorb 40,000 without feeling so great of an impact. but like you said 3,000, one-year wait list. >> incredible. it's something we should be very ashamed about, feel shameful about. but the political climate, republicans are going nuts and say you cannot let terrorists into this country. we understand that we have to be very careful who comes in but
at the same time a one-year background check for a miserable displaced person who is desperate, and only 2,000, 3,000? this is obscene. we should be taking many more and we can accommodate them and we should. >> i was going to say, when you saw that moving "60 minutes" piece and children and the refugees there. fearmongering can be powerful for the american public. >> the treatment in the camps themselves, when they get there, is so difficult and horrible. the women are being raped, the children not being educated. we're fostering tomorrow's terrorists in these camps. >> talk about the process getting -- a blog about a mother from syria who lost her husband in the war, she has six children, they don't speak the language, and they're living in a temporary apartment, they have three months to figure out what to do. >> right. >> and not being educated. the kids are feral. >> still ahead on "morning joe," she says it's time for a sexual revolution across the middle
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dictatorship, we deserve to be free, as everybody else in egypt does. >> how would you envision this moving forward? its begun already because i traveled across the region so the book isn't just about egypt, where i'm from it's about the middle east and north africa. i've interviewed women from morocco, libya, jordan, and watching, even if you weren't from a country that had an uprising revolution, just watching, people on the street women side by side with men, has made many women say, i am now able to say, no. i am now saying i demand respect and i demand equality. and they take that revolution home, which is where i think the revolution begins. >> is money playing a role in this, as well as women become more financially capable and educated? >> depends on what country you're talking about. some countries women are richer than others the gulf region for example, vis-a-vis yemen, the poorest in the region. it's a combination, it's money, education, social mobility. at heart of it is this idea that i can say no and i demand
respect, and just as we removed mubarak from the presidential palace we must remove mubarak from the bedroom, from the living room, from the mind. >> your dedication page the girls of the middle east and north africa disobey, know you deserve to be free just separate out from what you've seen, because a lot of people are just thinking, this is islam, that is -- and the fact of the matter is it it is a toxic mix at times, not just islam, but start talking about north africa start talking about female circumcision that is more cultural than religious. talk about the cultural mix, too, of some of the societies that is so hard for women to speak out against. >> i think one of the most important messages i want people to take away from my book is this is not specific just to the region though this is where i'm
from. i say there's no country that has wiped this out. obviously struggles in middle east and north africa have to do with female genital mutilation. but i'm also u.s. citizen. having lived in the u.s. for 13 years, i see that misogyny plays a role here too, look how many women in southern states have little access to reproductive health, have little access to contraception or abortion and unless you're a rich, white woman you have to drive miles to see a doctor if you need an abortion or contraception. it's very important to know this isn't about this part of the world only. it's about global feminism. >> the challenges though in north africa the middle east maybe a bit more extreme than the deep south, right? >> the challenges are, when espeak to people you are so brave, we're so lucky here if you think you're lucky there, there are generations of women decades allowed you to be lucky. northeast now, what your grandmother and
great-grandmother was doing. >> when you talk to economists who look social issues aside, empowering women to at least have jobs do so much to boost the economy in that part of the world as well do you see any steps forward at least in that aspect? >> again, depends on the country you're talking about. talking about saudi arabia where women have great amounts of wealth, it's much easier to talk about job creation and women's access to work. if you talk about a country, like egypt or yemen, the poorest in the region talking about female illiteracy and lack of education. i don't think there's a country on earth where people aren't better off where there's two checks coming in where there are two people working and helping support the family. one of my points, we are hurting ourselves not just women by not giving them that freedom that they deserve. >> one of the things that's very sad about egypt, such high hopes it was going to be a big change
for women but a lot of it got worse in a sense after mubarak fell. a sense what we need is a gender arab spring. in india you're seeing a lot of pushback on the gender issues because that huge horrific thick that happened two years ago, there was a gender arab spring. women poured into the streets and young men. men poured into the streets. but what is frightening is how misogyny even in india is so deep. you know the interviews in a film called "india's daughter" about the rape case comments of the lawyers are more massage misogynistic than the rapist. if a girl goes into the street he's a dog and should be taken like a dog. >> can i do the same for my daughter, too. >> it's important to place all of that. we're going through a global feminist moment, tina. china at the moment detaining five feminists because they dared to march on international women's day. women in kabul demanded the
right to bury a woman who was lunched. >> fighting back it's women in the world this week. this businesswomen on the front lines who are pushing back. >> why we'll all be there. the book "head scarves and hymens," thank you. tomorrow on "morning joe," grammy-award winner tim mcgraw will be here. >> all right. >> next author and entrepreneur bethenny frankel joins the table. we'll be right back. the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly. >>who... is this?! >>hi, i am heinz new mustard. hi na na na na >>she's just jealous because you have better taste. whatever.
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be the greatest self-help book title every. >> i like your dress. >> "i suck at relationships so you don't have to ten rules for not screwing up your happily ever," jeremy peters and bianna. >> so let's start with some of the rules. >> yeah. >> educate us. >> take us through this. >> the first two are about the differences between men and women, this is a great place to talk about this. and i don't think that men are not intelligent or not complicated but i think that women view menace very simple. they want to walk in the door they want the remote their food their dog, sex, and not to be bothered by work shopping our relationships. women want to talk it through. if i were in an argument with someone, i was in a relationship i would be texting under the desk here. and a woman would want to call a man at work and talk about it. a man could be doing nothing and say i don't want to deal with this now. i think men -- men think that women are all insane. >> first, i'll be quiet.
i will say about men, let me talk about men. >> okay. >> i will let you, mika answer the question whether women are insane or not. men are simple. they're incredibly simple. >> thank you. i think men are simple. and we're crazy. >> they are simple and shallow and they are so easy to figure out. >> right. but we overthink it because we think that you are like we are. >> exactly. >> we're in our own heads trying to get into your heads, overthinking the problem. you can't underestimate how simple a man is. >> our relationships can make or break a date for a women. when it comes to men, like nothing happened. >> you're like i want to talk about this a man's sleeping. >> so mika and i will have from time to time after the shows, huge arguments. >> yeah. >> huge arguments and mika will go, i want to tell you, i'm cool with what happened two days ago. i go i swear to go what happened? i -- i'm like i don't mean to be rude. >> men also -- >> but what happened two days
ago? >> exactly. >> right. >> men compartmentalize the feelings and men also have the ability to work the burners, in dating, men can have four five different things go agent the same time. a man can have one girl giving flowers to he's sleeping with and then another woman he's kind of doing the same thing with the next night but disconnecting the two. and women, we wish we could be more like men, most women don't have the capability to do that. >> mika? >> i really don't wish to be like that. >> that's good. >> i think it would be great, not to sleep with so many different men but to be able not be emotionally connected because women, when they sleep with somebody get emotionally connected. it's the oxytocin. >> we've established men can be one way to describe it, shallow, like they -- >> men are shallow. >> move along and not go deep on topics and obsess over them. and women, a little -- the word -- who used the word crazy? >> me. >> you did? >> yes. >> men view us as that.
men view us, overthinking why are you obsessing and crazy about this sningthing. a man can say, i'm never getting married and meet some person and click in and he will decide then it's time to get married. a woman has a big grand plan because of her biological clock, the fairy tales we've read and women use their heads and hearts to decide on a relationship versus this gut. >> i'm curious how alcohol plays that this. alcohol. >> well alcohol, right -- >> skinny girl alcohol especially. >> yeah, that's my business. i mean it's important for women to have -- that's part of the book, too, it does play in. this is my business. i have nonalcoholic beverages and sweeterens and all of these things but women need to get a life. men have their own identity and they have plans with other men and their poker night and they kind of -- we wait around for men and wait to see what then
want to do before we make plans. girls naturally do that. they don't -- they don't just -- they're not as independent as men. i think that's -- >> they'll change schedules faster, too. >> they'll change schedules fast somewhere kind of try to work around it. we're pleasers because we're more emotionally, i think. it's good to have your own business, your own plans, your own identity. >> i don't disagree "i suck at relationships so you don't have to." bethenny frankel, thank you so much. great to have you on the show. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. i'm meteorologist bil karens. as we go throughout the next two days changeable weather across the couldn't trip finally we'll watch the sun returning to the northeast. but that won't be until afternoon hours. a chance of thunderstorms in miami and south florida today. middle of the country, enjoy your quiet peace while you have. tomorrow severe weather returns
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