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so we made purina one true instinct. learn more at we begin with breaking news in the iran nuclear talks. iran and six world powers reached a preliminary agreement that end this round of talks. a press statement is expected to happen at any moment. zarif tweeting found solutions ready to start drafting immediately and we're expecting to hear from the president as well. this morning the iranian foreign minister remained firm on the need to end all sanctions. >> i cannot talk about what will remain and what will go. i have said very clearly that all sanctions need to be terminated and i believe that will be the final outcome when we get to that. >> we're following all the
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developments, chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell is in switzerland and ali arouz zi following from tehran. you've been following the talks and machinations delivered through all of this. explain if all of the sanctions will go away and three different kinds, the u.s. the u.n. and european. >> reporter: i think that's highly unlikely. they wouldn't go away until june 30th at the earliest that would be when this official agreement goes into effect and they need to depending on what they've accomplished already that they are about to be announcing they need to now work on the details on the implementation the formal agreement does not come until june 30th and that's at the earliest. if there are no further delays. but the u.s. is going to hold firm on its position that all of the sanctions would not be lifted simultaneously. that perhaps the u.n. sanctions would remain and president could remove some of the sanctions,
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temporarily, phase them out, suspend them depending on whether iran complies. >> andrea we're looking at images on the left hand side of the screen where they will then go onto the press conference but the associated press had been reporting that there are still disagreements. so is saying that they've come to some type of middle ground premature? >> reporter: that is going to be debated. we have to see exactly what they say. i think what they are going to try to say as specifically as john kerry is permitted under the terms of the agreement, they accomplish the a number of things, an agreement to reengineer a plutonium facility underground, so there is some limits, new limits in fact on iran's nuclear program. they will also say, i think that they will continue what iran has obeyed that the last 18 months to stop expanding the nuclear program which it says is
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peaceful. that said, there have been a lot of disagreements what to do with its stock pile of enriched uranium and how about advanced centrifuges it can have now and in future. there were arguments over the length of the program, 10 years or 12 years or 15 years and if it's 10 years and then follow-on period of five years during which iran would be permitted to expand its nuclear research but not go beyond a certain point. so it's -- as i say a giant puzzle with a lot of different parts and they may be able to describe it in general terms then there will be a classified version they can bring to congress. that's going to be a hard sell with a lot of skeptics in the last hour on our show i interviewed chris coons, a member of foreign relations committee, he wants to see the details and he's not at all sure we should be coming to this agreement if it's not tough enough on iran. >> all different angles and andrea, not to add a heavier
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load to this lift is the fact that john boehner traveled to jerusalem this week and appeared with benjamin netanyahu who was against any type of deal. >> reporter: netanyahu has initially said there could be no enrichment. then he modified that in his interview with me and speech to congress talking about a lower level of enrichment creation of the kind of uranium used to make a weapon. at the same time netanyahu believes it's unconscionable to negotiate with what he calls a murderous regime to give them a path to the bomb. that was a strikingly harsh statement from netanyahu only yesterday when boehner as you just said was in the capital. israel is not alone because saudis and other jordanians and others in the region are also very concerned about iran retaining this much nuclear technology. they are very concerned to see
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the details and already attacking it preemptively before it was announced. that's only another measure of how hard it will be for president obama and john kerry. >> we're seeing movement from the motorcade of secretary kerry. we'll let you go. we want to bring into the conversation now nbc's tehran bureau chief. if the sanctions were lifted or negotiated this would be huge to the economy, especially for oil and banking in iran. >> reporter: absolutely thomas it will be a sea change to the country right now. they are shut out of the international banking system so it can't do international currency trades and when it sells its oil overseas it has to bartter to get something in kind because it can't always get crash because they can't transfer money into banks. most iranians can't transfer money abroad because of the sanctions in place. it's difficult to get medicine
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and all sorts of other difficult things. so that is going to really real will he revive the economy here and it's going to lift up the spirits hugely. our economist i was speaking to the other day this all poses a danger not just sanctions that hurt iran's economy very badly, it's been mismanaged and there's been corruption an he fears there might be a problem because people have such high expectations of the economy being fully restored. many people think because the sanctions are lifted that's not going to happen. >> ali arouzi, we've had interference with that shot. we'll get back to him. when the press conference begins -- i took my eye for set a minute i believe that was the motorcade of john kerry and have confirmation of that. this press conference will take place in moments. again, on the fact that
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negotiators, the p5+1 have come to an agreement, that all sides seem fit to bring forward and present as andrea mitchell pointed, will congress be on board with secretary kerry comes home and president is expected to speak today too. let's go to breaking news out of kenya and death toll in this morning's terror attack at the university has risen to more than 70. nbc news has just learned from a u.s. counter terrorism official that this attack had been in the works for a long time. security forces have surrounded garissa university college where the minister is saying four terrorists have been killed and one arrested. government officials are offering a $215,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of the mastermind behind this attack. it began at 3:00 this morning local time militants belonging to al shabab overpowered campus guards and stormed dorms. the gunmen were specifically targeting christian students.
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for hours now the gunmen had been cornered in the dorm but it's unclear how many students are being held hostage. 500 students out of 815 have now been accounted for. this is how one student described the terrifying ordeal. >> we were not even given time to know what was happening. >> we had gunshots sleeping it was around 5:00 and guys starting jumping up and down ruchbing for their lives, where they were going to is where the gunshots were coming from. >> nbc's kelly cobiella is following this story. what kind of head way are security forces making trying to capture the the remaining gunmen in a dorm? >> we understand the interior minister is talking to reporters in garissa and telling them that the information is nearly over and that 90% of the threat has been eliminated. having said that he added that
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it is still technically ongoing and quote, anything can happen. so it sounds as though some progress thomas is being made. as you mentioned, the death toll jumped considerably within the past couple of hours, 70 dead now, among them four of the gunmen, four of the terrorists 79 injured, nine of them critical and you know given the number of students who are still potentially unaccounted for, we're looking at somewhere around 170, if not more students who have not yet been accounted for, that death toll could potentially go up once that university has been cleared. >> it is pretty terrifying when we look at images that are coming out in the security forces are moving in and not knowing this death toll is capped at 70 thinking it could be much higher than that with remaining students that have not been accounted for. this student body is roughly
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comprised of over 800 kids correct? >> that's right, 815 is the number we've been given. and 500 -- more than 500 according to the interior ministry have been account d for and are outside of that university campus now. so again, that leaves a significant number still who we simply don't know the fate of them and hostages still being held. >> kelly, we're going to check back with you later this hour for another update. thank you so much. two breaking developments in the investigation of the germanwings crash. the second black box has been found. the plane crashed killing all 150 people on board. the second piece of news german prosecutors say the co-pilot researched suicide methods and cockpit doors days before they say he deliberatery crashed that plane. nbc's claudio lavanga joins me
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now. this is a great piece of the larger puzzle of figuring out what happened. does the prosecutor think they can get data from it? >> reporter: yes, indeed the prosecutor said it took ten days to find it because the black box was of the same color as the rock. but they were looking for it because that contains technical data of the flight from takeoff to the point of impact. it's very important for investigators because it's going to tell them two things one is the exact behavior of that plane throughout the flight and that they said they are going to get information about the speed, altitude and way the engine worked but also about how the pilots responded to command. they are trying to find confirmation that andreas lubitz did set the autopilot to 100 feet from a altitude of 38,000 feet as soon as i locked the pilot outside of the cockpit and
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sending the plane into a downward path that ended up on those mountains. secondly, they also are looking to exclude once and for all that there was any mechanical failure, of course but the other information that came from germany from the german prosecutor was equally important because they found that on the tablet computer seized from the house of andreas lubitz in deuce el dusseldorf, in the week prior, lubitz searched for two things one was for methods of suicide and the other one was for information about cockpit doors and its security system. that tells you two things one that he was -- he may have thought about suicide before catching -- boarding that plane. but secondly that he may have also planned this from the start, which is something that we couldn't have presumed before. >> it certainly takes attention away from confirming anything to do with mechanical failure.
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podium. mohammed zarif tweeted this found solutions, ready to start drafting immediately. president obama is expected to speak on the developments as well. ayman mohyeldin joins us. let's talk about the fact they missed the deadline by two days. which side does that benefit and the indications that this seems to say that iran drew a harder line in the sand and they want sanctions gone? >> that's going to be one of the questions that you get a different answer from depending on who you ask, we've certainly heard some in the united states on this who say the administration was wrong for i am poedsing the deadline because precisely it would strengthen the iranian negotiating team's position. but the truth of the matter is this is actually a self-imposed deadline. not the actual legally binding deadline they agreed to which will be now at the end of june. i think it was more of a political deadline something to allow u.s. and others to come out of the past several months of talks with framework that they can come back and say we're
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making progress we've made a deal and here's the outline and framework for it to kind of put the domestic pressure in both countries for that matter at ease a little bit, to keep critics at bay while they hammer out this deal. >> obviously a good compromise is -- for the u.s. and perception of international pressures for the p5+1 they don't want that perception the president doesn't want the perception that things were left on the table, any wiggle room for iran to develop its program certainly covertly. >> you're going to see a lot of spin in the next 24 to 48 hours as both sides say they got what they set out to get in the beginning of this. at the day, neither side will say what they gave up. what they will announce what each achieved. and certainly from the us perspective, anything that limits iran's cape ablts to enrich fuel these are going to
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be key metrics for whether or not the united states is sk sesful or not and in terms of easing or lifting sanctions whether it's now or in a couple of months from now. >> the german foreign minister agreement on framework for final agreement reached. so agreement on the framework for the final agreement. we can follow the bouncing ball here. we'll have that for everybody live when secretary kerry takes to the podium. this was him leaving his hotel in lieu luzon moments ago. let's get back to breaking news here at home. as we wait for secretary kerry to take the podium. this news out of new jersey u.s. senator robert menendez is making his first appearance in federal court as we speak. he was indicted on federal corruption charges yesterday. menendez accused of accepting nearly a million dollars from a long term friend dr. melgin in florida, in exchange for
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political favors. he has in the past denied wrong doing and menendez vowed his name would be cleared. >> i'm angry because prosecutors at the justice department don't know the difference between friendship and corruption and have chosen to twist my duties as a senator and my friendship into something that is improper. they are dead wrong and i am confident that they will be proven so. >> seems very strong last night. joining us live from newark new jersey, explain what is going on inside the courtroom and when do we think we'll hear from menendez again? >> reporter: right, so senator menendez arrived at the newark federal court an hour ago. his spokesperson told us that we're likely to see and hear that mr. menendez will be officially read the charges against him and also enter a plea of not guilty. in the clip you played he obviously has maintained his innocence. last night he says he said this
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inchts continuing to follow breaking news out of switser lands where we understand negotiations have wrapped up and there has been a consensus or something to announce a framework here. moments ago we see foreign minister zarif getting in his motorcade going to the shot on the right, the live podiums set up. secretary kerry left at the top of the hour to make his way to the second location. but we have heard from different sources saying that a framework has been built for a final agreement. the deadline was march the 31st to come to a consensus they've overshot that deadline by two days but we do expect to hear from both men coming up this hour. we have breaking news back here at home in new york city where two women, both u.s. citizens are understand arrest accused of attempting to set off bombs in the u.s. pete williams joins us from washington, d.c. what more do we know about these
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two women and backgrounds and alleged plans. >> they are former roommates in queens identified as no elle and asia zadiki the fbi says they were interested in trying to acquire and set off bombs in the u.s. but it appears they never actually got their hands on any type of finished bombs and talked about all sorts of possibilities. what it really seems to me here is that the fbi was keeping very close touch on them. there was an undercover agent in contact with them for almost a year since last july. and the fbi decided to bring the charges and arrest them because it became concerned that it might be losing track of them. they discovered the undercover operative discovered earlier this year that valensis gotten her hands on four propane tanks and talking about how they could be used as bombs but never indication that they finished a
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ann curry is reporting for nbc news from switzerland. what are you hearing from your sources about whether or not the framework benefits the pressures of the p5+1 or actually benefits those that were fighting so hard for iranian sanctions to be lifted? >> reporter: well, you know to be honest with you, i've got to be really honest with you, i don't know. i don't think anyone really knows at this point. we do have a tweet from the iranian foreign minister that just went out saying found solutions ready to start drafting immediately. what that indicates is that they were able to find some kind of compromise. some kind of an understanding and in fact that may be what they say at their press conference today. they may not actually use the word deal the word agreement, they may be talking about an understanding and really what we're talking about is this was the 19th round over the course of 18 months thomas during which all of these nations and
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specifically led by secretary state john kerry and also the iranian foreign minister where they were actually working so hard to figure out the answer to the question. to be honest with you, i can give you a lot of details about what we know is in the deal what was already agreed to in the deal. but in terms of how they did on the last road blocks that were very, very tough and going to be the things the hardest to sell back home i think we'll have to wait. we may not even actually hear in the news conference because the dilemma now is iran wanted a significant document it wanted either a significant document where it could say exactly what the understanding was or very little. didn't want an in between. that was also part of the disagreement. and so it seems that based on what we're learning that we may not get very much details in this presentation we're about to see. >> isn't it interesting, ann, that advances are reporting the
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tweets of iran's foreign minister or the tweet from the german delegation talking about the framework. we do expect zarif to speak and secretary kerry will be there to speak to reporters in english. but amazing to think that the foreign minister of iran tweeted already and said that -- >> reporter: that's right -- >> and the indication of what that means. >> reporter: that's right. i think that's absolutely right. from the very beginning, the iranians and americans but particularly iranians have been using social media to represent their position and reach to negotiators on the other side. this happened to such a degree that we worked on and presented a documentary called twitter diplomacy specifically about these iran talks. it was the use of social media really has on an issue like this never been seen before. i see that someone is coming up to the podium probably simply
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checking microphones now. we don't know exactly when these presentations going to be made. i'd be very surprised. you mentioned the iranian foreign minister speaking i would not be srpd if he didn't take a statement in english as well as farcy. it looks -- a video moments ago leaving the luxurious hotel where these talks were held thomas. >> and ann, the drive -- do you know how long it's supposed to take? kerry left probably around 1:00 local time about 30 minutes ago to get to the secondary location where they are about to make that announcement. do you know the distance between the two? >> reporter: i don't know the distance but i do know the university area is -- and i'm a little bit uncertain territory here but guessing -- not
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guessing but based on some experience about 20 minutes, but to really answer your questions, i would have to do a little more research. i can tell you that we saw the iranian delegation go by as i walked to the camera to speak to you. and my understanding is that they will speak before john kerry. this is a very important moment for john kerry. it's hard to quantify how significant this moment is for john kerry, except to perhaps say and there has been some reporting about this that there is a diplomatic historian who is quoted as saying he can't remember the last time a secretary of state for the united states has spent this much time on foreign soil negotiating for an agreement since the ver sigh treatment that ended world war i. this is a significant, dedicated hard won process for john kerry.
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i've been on his plane as he traveled back and forth. it is an exhausting trip. as i said 19 rounds thomas over the course of 18 months. and while hillary clinton is then secretary of state green lighted these basically jump starting the u.s. involvement in these talks, it was john kerry who was then head of the foreign relations committee. it was he who said we really ought to do this. and he will either be seen as a great hero for having done something that may have moved the world towards a greater chance for peace or depending how this goes or not. >> ann curry reporting for us in swits switzerland. this was a big moment for secretary kerry, i was handed a tweet that he sent big day, eu p5+1 in iran have perimeters to
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resolve major issues on nuclear program. back to work soon on final deal. president obama is expected to speak after hearing from secretary kerry. chris jansing joins me now from the white house. chris, this will be a big moment for secretary kerry to make this announcement but then we expect to hear from the president as well today. >> huge moment for him, obviously, someone who's has been speaking since he first ran for president about getting a deal in iran. and many in ways about his larger vision for the world, which is that diplomacy can work. we don't have any indications here of what exactly is in that deal or how specific it will be but that is the critical point, they've been saying all along that they need to come to a general understanding on some of these key points of what have been major disagreements, what's going to happen to enriched uranium and what happens with the sanctions and which ones get removed and what are the perimeters of that. those kinds of detail as late as this morning senior white house
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officials were saying were critical. you cannot expect the president to go to come many of whom were already unhappy that the president was okaying these negotiations with iran to go and say here's sort of what they've told us but not to have anything in writing. we're going to be waufing very closely what exactly the written details of this is going to be. obviously best case scenario with the white house wanted out of this they thought if they could get concessions from iran it would give them some momentum going back to congress. the president has been very clear. he recognizes that once this part of it is over and now it is, that he has to go and make his case to members of congress and to the american people about why iran is to be trusted and why also on a scientific level it makes sense, the decisions they have made. everybody knows that this deadline that passed two days ago was self-imposed by the white house, that the real deadline was june 30th but what the white house needs to do is
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to make sure that they are able to get to that deadline without congress trying to intervene. so we're waiting to hear from the president. this is highly unusual. he was expected to leave for louisville a couple of hours ago. we're still waiting to hear when and where we hear from him. >> using the phrase agreement on framework for final agreement reached and john kerry tweeting perimeters to resolve major issues on nuclear program, back to work soon on a final deal. now we're about to learn specifically about what was negotiated behind the scenes and why they feel it is necessary at this point to come forward and present what they've negotiated upon. again, secretary kerry on the right-hand side of the screen and foreign minister zarif in the center of the screen. we'll hear from both men moment airily but we have advance notice from twitter diplomacies ann was talking about, the fact we've heard from the german
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foreign office and from zarif and secretary kerry via twitter about what they feel is a framework that has been designed. whether that means the u.s. and u.n. and other sanctions that are european country imposed are going to be lifted is a major sticking block for iran. but those are three different sets of perimeters that the iranian is trying to work against having lifted. will secretary kerry reveal whether or not u.s. sanctions have been lifted. we will learn. the big part is about the sanctions for the iranian government to have successful oil and banking. we heard from ali arouzi talking about oil and banking and whether or not any sanctions could be lifted that would make iran's economy build and become stronger after this point of negotiations. ann curry pointed out it's been
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19 rounds of negotiations over 18 months. the amount of time and energy that secretary kerry has invested in this has been huge and now we are seeing members from the noerngs take to the podium there with foreign minister zarif on the right-hand side of your screen ayman mohyeldin joins me here on set. this is the big moment we have an indication through twitter diplomacy. >> take in mind this -- let's go ahead and listen in. they just started, forgive me. >> with the foreign minister zarif and all of the others that have been negotiating so hard in these days. we, the european union representative and foreign minister of the islamic republic of iran together with foreign ministers of the e 3 plus 3, china, france germany, russia federation the united kingdom
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and the united states met from 26 march to 2nd april 2015 in switzerland. as agreed in november 2013 we gather here to find solutions towards reaching a comprehensive resolution that will ensure the exclusively peaceful nature of the iranian nuclear program and the comprehensive lifting of all sanctions. today we have taken a decisive step. we have reached solutions on key perimeters of a joint presencive plan of amount. the political determination, the good will and the hard work of all parties made it possible. and let us thank all delegations for their tireless dedication. this is a crucial decision laying the agreed basis for the final text of the joint
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comprehensive plan of action. we can now restart drafting the text and an nexs of the joint comprehensive plan of action guided by the solutions developed in these days. as iran pressures a peaceful nuclear program, iran's enrichment level and stock pile will be limited for specific durations and there will be no other enrichment facility. iran's search and development on sentry fujs would be carried out on a scope and schedule mutually agreed. converted from an enrichment site into a nuclear physics and technology center. international collaboration will be encouraged in agreed' of research. there will be -- there will not
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be any material. international joint venture will assist iran in redesigning and rebuilding a modernized heavy water research reactor in iraq that will not produce weapons -- weapons grade plutonium. there will be no reprocessing and the spent fuel will be exported. a set of measures have been agreed to monitor the provisions of the gpsoa, including 3.1 and provisional application of the additional protocol. the international atomic energy agency will be permitted the use of modern technologies and have announced access through agreed procedures including to clarify past and present issues. iran will take part in international cooperation in the field of civilian nuclear energy which can include supply of power and research reactors.
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another important area of cooperation will be in the field of nuclear safety and security. european union will terminate the implementation of all nuclear related economic and financial sanctions and the united states will cease the application of all nuclear related economic and financial sanctions, simultaneously with the iae verified implementation by iran of its key nuclear commitments. a new u.n. security council resolution will endorse the jcpo terminate all previous related nuclear related resolutions and incorporate certain restrictive measures for the mutually agreed period of time. we will now work to write the text of a joints comprehensive plan of action including its technical details in the coming weeks and months at a political and experts level.
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we are committed to complete our efforts by june 30th. we would like to thank the swiss government for its general support in hosting this negotiations. let me personally and webehalf of everybody, thank you all, journalists and media around the world for having followed our work and somehow also having worked with us over this difficult but intense and positive week. thank you. >> good evening to all of you -- >> in the name of god -- >> let me join her in thanking both of swiss government and the distinguished members of the press and media for their actually trying to work with us over the last several weeks and trying to help us in getting the world to know what was going on. as our tradition has been i would read the same statement
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that mrs. mogleine read out in farcy, it will be the same statement, you don't need interpretation. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the foreign minister of islamic republic of iran and the representative of eu and the representative of france china, and germany and the u.s. from the march 26th to april 2nd of 2015 met at switzerland. as we had agreed in november of 2014 we gathered here to reach
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solutions regarding what can guarantee the lifting of all sanctions completely. today we have took an important step step. we have reached a joint agreement. this political decision required good real hard work. let me -- thank all of the representatives for their hard work. this is a crucial decision laid out all of the details and now we can start drafting our joint
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agreement that we have reached during these few days. as iran plans to continue its plans for peaceful enrichment our enrichment capacity will be limited for some time. the enrichment using centrifuge machines will be continued for a limited time. the facilities will be changed to facilities that carry out
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research on atomic sciences. research regarding enrichment of heavy water will continue with the agreement that the plutonium would not be use edd. the ensemble of all the measures that had been decided here everybody has decided that this is a joint decision. and we will decide more
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regarding all the issues past and present. iran will participate in all the decisions regarding nuclear planning planning, and we will cooperate regarding safety of all work done with nuclear issues. and the united states will lift all the sanctions simultaneously with all these decisions made that iran will continue in
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doing. there are also some limiting decisions that would be only for a temporary time. we can now start draft inging with all the details that we are certain we will continue this drafting the joint drafting until june 13th. we thank you, the switzerland government, and everybody who is involved. also the press. thank you. [ applause ] >> all right.
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so we just finished the remarks there from the eu and foreign minister zarif discussing and revealing in great detail exactly what went on behind closed doors and the staggered and stuttered approach that will now take to lift sanctions that have been imposed through the eu and through the u.s. on iran. we're going to go back to nbc's ann curry, who joins me from lausanne switzerland. this is pretty revealing that they were so transparent in what they discussed behind the scenes, but the reveal of the stagger step trust but verify approach that the international community will take to see iran have a nuclear program, one that's civilian based and one that is singular. >> that's exactly right. it's a kind of quid pro quo situation. if, in fact they allow iaea inspectors, who are the nuclear inspectors, in to look at the
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facilities as they have agreed to then they get "x" sanctions relief. in other words, you're absolutely right. this process could take years to implement so all the sanctions will not be lifted. however, it is believed that probably among the more immediate lifting of sanctions will be some of the economic and financial sanctions. so one of the ideas is that it's probable that among the early sanctions lifted will be ones that have limited iran's banking system. and that would be a very important thing for iran because it would mean that its economy could begin to grow again, and it could begin to do business with the world. but absolutely i think the big headline, however, from what we heard just a moment ago was about the united nations sanctions. it sounds as though what they're going to do is they're going to essentially take away the current sanctions, which are
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really important to the iranians, the current u.n. sanctions, but also put something else in its place. so the question is what is that going to be? in terms of for the other side i think it's clear that they've won some major concessions, specifically on limiting iran's enrichment and also limiting its facilities from being converted into -- converting it from a nuclear site. sorry, i'm getting ahead of myself. the point is that we did get details, thomas but we really didn't get enough details. i think what we can probably assume is that both sides will be presenting fuller details to classified briefings when they come back home and it's then we're going to try to understand whether or not they succeeded in reaching the primary mission, which is will they have limited iran from having a one-year breakout time? can they limit iran if they ever decide to have a nuclear
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weapon will they limit iran to a year taking a full year before they're able to do so. >> ann, one thing i want to pass along is we've just gotten word the president is going to be delivering a statement on iran coming up at 2:15. he's going to be doing so from the rose garden. we did not hear from secretary kerry during that event, where we heard from the eu and we heard from zarif. we do have extra tweets that have come out from secretary kerry. one that talked about the parameters to resolve major issues on the nuclear program. back to work soon on a final day. following that saying a huge thanks to our terrific team of u.s. diplomats indianand experts. this is a big moment certainly in his tenure as secretary of state, but the devil will be in the details as we learn exactly what is in them and how that's presented to congress. >> that's exactly right. secretary of state john kerry was to speak today. he was certainly scheduled to do
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so, but now that we know the president is going to be speaking this afternoon, clearly the secretary of state will not upstage the president. so he's going to wait until the president makes his remarks before he speaks publicly in interviews which are expected later today. the secretary of state has dedicated more time to this issue, at least -- we'll put it this way. he spent more time with iran's foreign minister zarif than with any other counterpart in even nations that are our closest allies over the course of the last 18 months. it has been for the two of them a bit like groundhog's day. he was one who originally told secretary of state, then-secretary of state hillary clinton that this was something he wanted to help jump start, these talks, once again. he's taken a lot of fallout for his continued efforts on behalf
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of the possibility of reaching peace. it's been very very tough. he pulled an all nighter last night, thomas along with a lot of the other negotiators. so they've had a very tough time pushing this forward. we don't know though -- i think the big question that most americans want to know the answer to is, did they get a good deal? that certainly has been -- those have been the words we've been hearing repeatedly over the course of the last 18 months. did they get a good deal? at this point, there's no way for us to really assess that. we can tell you these little details, but the question is are these enough to limit iran if it ever decided to from being able to build a nuclear weapon. and this is going to be something that's going to be assessed and debated, and i'm certainly going to hear a lot of fallout from this over the course of the next many months. but for this moment at this moment, this is a moment of try triumph for john kerry. >> and we'll be waiting to see
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what israel's response is. we know how strongly benjamin netanyahu has been speaking out about these negotiations saying any deal must significantly roll back iran's nuclear capabilities. so what will netanyahu's reaction be? let's go back in and listen to zarif, who's taking questions. >> -- or seize implementation or terminate application. whatever the word may be so that people will not get into trouble with the legal institutions. but the effect of which would be when we implement our measures there will be no sanctions against the islamic republic of iran. and that i think, would be a major step forward. we have stopped a cycle that was not in the interest of anybody. not in the interest of nonproliferation and not in the interest of anybody to one that will, in fact, be a gain for all parties concerned. and i hope that at the end of
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this process we'll all show that true dialogue and engagement with dignity we can, in fact resolve problems open new horizons, and move forward. thank you very much. >> hearing there engagement with dignity as the foreign minister zarif is taking questions. based on the fact that they have come out from the p5+1 over the nuclear negotiations. and let's go back. he continues to cake s tos to take questions, although he said he was going to wrap up. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: what you did today was very important and significant. but there will be different
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interpretations regarding what has been decided. have you thought about this also? >> if i may, because the question has been asked by one of my compatriots, may i request the indulgence of non-persian speaking friends here to respond in farsi. [ speaking foreign language ] >> translator: everything that we reached today as different solution is really based on a
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view point of win/win situation internationally. in this way, all the sanctions that were injustly upon us will be terminated and there will be planning by us which will be -- we will not continue enrichment but we will continue other centrifuges. the natan centrifuges will not
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enrich. but they will continue working. and we will continue using them for peaceful reasons and goals such as research and scientific goals. the reactor of iraq will be rebuilt, and all the countries of five plus one are in agreement with us and support us in this progress. regard regarding the production of
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fuel all the work will continue. also regarding the building of reactors, there will be cooperation with iran. previously these were things that other countries were not cooperating with iran. as i said everything -- all the sanctions that were imposed based on our nuclear activities will be eliminated and we will
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continue in line with our agreement with all the countries and all the -- everything that was reached before by the security agency will be eliminated. previously there were problems because some of the details that were included there were disagreements. but right now we have agreements on all the major issues.
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going back to your question everybody -- every country can interpret the decisions based on their own internal issues but as we also said during the next three months we will continue cooperating and making progress on the issues that we have agreed upon which are based on needs of iranian people. at this point, i like to mention something for iranian people. we have three months to make
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these changes, and we are hoping that with your support and the president of iran continue -- >> so we've been listening to foreign minister zarif take questions there, field them after the conference, the press conference they had to reveal the agreements from the talks that have been extended. the self-imposed date was march 31st. the big reveal we're getting today is they have come up with the framework. hering from zarif there that the other deadline being the end of june june 30th so saying they have three months to make the changes necessary. ann curry is still with me in lausanne switzerland. ann, the foreign minister of iran continues to field questions. we thought he was wrapped up. right now we are waiting on the president to come out at 2:15. so it seems as if iran is holding on to the ball and
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getting to reveal a lot of the details of what went on behind the scenes while we wait to know exactly what has been agreed upon, how this framework will roll out. >> yeah i think that's right. i think that they thought that john kerry would come and make remarks and clearly there was a changing of the plan and now we have president obama. so i think the foreign minister zarif is sort of essentially filling time as it were. but he's been talking about a lot of as you talked about, the details. one detail i've not heard about, thomas, and if you've heard it i hope you would tell me that you had. but i haven't heard anyone talk about what will happen to iran's stockpiles of enriched uranium. this is a very important issue because enriched uranium is a key ingredient for key bomb making material. and there's been a lot of concern about whether or not iran should be forced to send some of the stockpiles outside
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of the country or whether it should be forced to destroy some of that. there was some talk about maybe having it diluted. so this is a very important issue that i haven't heard anything mentioned, but i'm certain that the -- that it will be a question that will be asked in any kind of classified presentation that will occur when these negotiators, u.s. negotiators, get back to washington, d.c. >> i can back up. ayman mohyeldin is onset with me. he's confirming along with our notes here that it was revealed that exported -- spent fuel will be exported out of the country. >> okay. >> so we have that one clarification and distinction. a very important one. >> great and thanks. >> the other large distinction is the fact that the international community is going to be working in chorus with iran as they come up with a civilian-based nuclear energy
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program. this is something that puts iran on equal footing with the international community when it comes to this type of energy. that is a large development. >> well it is. it is exactly the kind of thing that the iranian government wants. it has said from the very beginning that it wants to be treated just as other nations are treated. it wanted to extend its hand to the world, to be accepted. it wanted a new day with the election of iran's president rouhani. a new day after president ahmadinejad for the iranian people. he was elected, president rouhani, but a large number of young people who wanted change. so what you're seeing is the culmination of that effort by those young people in iran who helped vote him in. there were others, of course who helped vote president rouhani in. then as you know about 18 months ago, president rouhani said out loud in the first western interview that he wanted to extend -- reach out to the
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international community. this is a culmination of that. this is exactly that. the iranian people and the iranian government has demanded respect from the world, and i think in this agreement, it has gotten a lot of respect, thomas. >> again, we're waiting for the president to come out into the rose garden. ann, we have that shot up for everybody as the foreign minister of iran continues to take questions there at the podium in switzerland. i've just been handed what basically is the parameters -- it says the joint comprehensive plan of action regarding iran's nuclear program moving forward. one of the largest things coming out of this that i'm seeing first hand is the fact iran agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. they'll go from having about 19,000 installed today to roughly just over 6100 under this deal. with only 5,000 of which these enriching uranium for ten years.
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ann, as these details start to come to light, one of the biggest voices we have yet to hear from is that of israel. they have been very forward and very loud certainly from benjamin netanyahu about what any deal would mean and the roll back of iran's nuclear program would have to be large. >> well that's exactly right. i mean i think that it should be said that while this deal may or may not have been successful -- and you talked about some of the numbers -- at severely limiting iran's ability to move towards building a nuclear weapon. the truth is that if you really come down to it thomas there is no way to prevent any nation from truly building a nuclear weapon. it really comes down to oversight, oversight, oversight, and to some degree a relationship. until now, the united states and the world has not had a relationship with iran where they could get involved in
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seeing inside what was happening. in fact, not having a relationship with iran not talking about this with iran has allowed iran's number of centrifuges to skyrocket to as you said 19,000. there was a time right after 9/11 when the then-president had offered president george bush that he would limit the number of centrifuges to just over 100. less than 200 centrifuges. at that time he was not -- iran was part of the axis of evil and that was not possible. now iran is up to 19,000. so having this conversation bringing it down to 6100 is a very important development. >> you make a great point there and a huge distinction when it comes to any type of relationship as the foreign minister pointed out about engagement, diplomacy being so important here. ann curry reporting for us there in switzerland. ann, thank you. as we talk about inspections and transparency, i want to bring in
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nbc's tehran bureau chief. the honesty at which the foreign minister zarif continues to answer questions at the podium there in lausanne switzerland, are you surprised by him wanting to, for lack of a better word hog the ball until we hear from the president? >> not really. foreign minister zarif likes to talk. he's a very vocal person. for now amongst iranians he's the hero of the moment. i'm sure he wants to shine in the limelight. he's the man of the hour. he's seen as the man that's put this deal together. so i'm not surprised at all. i want to go back to a point ann made as well. it's a very good point that now that iran and america have decided to come to a deal on this, it's going to make it very hard for hard liners in iran. like it or not, for the next ten years they're going to have to talk to america. and that's going to put a lot of checks and balances on the
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iranian government here. that's something they're not used to. that's going to be a whole new territory dealing with america on a day-to-day basis. who knows, in the next ten years america may insist on having an embassy here which could drastically change matters here. this is one of the very few countries in the world the united states doesn't have an embassy. we could be on the precipice of a change in iran. for the iranian part as well it looks like they've made big compromises on the nuclear program. you have to realize they've largely kept their nuclear program intact. they haven't shot down any facilities. they haven't been forced to destroy anything. for iranians they have been able to save face here. that's very important for them. they don't want to come back looking like they've been browbeaten into submission by the u.s. and accepting a bad deal because that wouldn't have gone down well. so -- and i don't think we're going to hear very much criticism inside iran about this deal as we will from say,
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congress. for this deal to have happened, the supreme leader had to give his blessing and if he's given his blessing nobody here is going to go against what he said. so i think all the criticism we hear about this deal will come from outside iran. as far as iranians are concern they're probably very, very satisfied. they've averted an attack on country. they're on the way to restoring the economy in some way, if they do it properly. so things are looking good for iran. obviously there's going to be a big fallout with israel with saudi arabia. they are not going to be happy with this. we're going to have to see how that plays out between now and june, if they can try and gets the deal. >> we need to be specific with the wording as we talk about what it means for sanctions to be revisited and how they have damaged the iranian economy. not just domestically for iran but on the international footing it had once in the world. and the better word to be used
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would be an easing of these sanctions and a trust-but-verify and staggered-step setting with the international community involved. >> absolutely. the international would like to ease the sanctions as foreign minister zarif said. he expects sanctions all to be lifted by the 30th of june. now, that's also going to be a point of contention as we go ahead because as we know the united states and their partners see the sanctions as a leverage to keep iran in line. if they don't have that leverage, it could make things more difficult. but as the sanctions ease and dilute, as you mentioned earlier, there's going to be an unprecedented inspection in iran. they're going to be here looking at the nuclear program. it's going to be under a microscope for the next 10 or 15 years. it will be very difficult for them to do anything in terms of kicking out the inspectors and burning the deal. so they are going to be held to
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checks and balances. but they do certainly expect all the sanctions to be lifted and to become a functioning member of the world community. they want to come out of the cold. and it's been extraordinarily difficult with the sanctions here. like i mentioned to you earlier, it's not only the sanctions that have hurt the economy, but they've been detrimental for iran to do business with the rest of the world. this is also going to restore the fortunes of the government in iran. this is going to bring a lot of money back into the government pockets. it's going to make them much much, much stronger in the region. i think iran realizes that. they realize they had to make compromise so their influence in the region and beyond can go way up. and that's what's really i think, scaring the saudis and israelis. i don't think it's so much that a nuclear deal has been agreed to with iran but iran's influence will be much greater. they'll have a dialogue with the united states, which they haven't had for 35 years. and that makes iran's rivals
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very, very uncomfortable. >> it's a major development. >> absolutely. >> let me ask you to stand by quickly. our colleague frances rivera has reaction from israel. frances, this is what many people are waiting to see as we know what benjamin netanyahu wanted. >> not surprising these israeli leaders have voiced concern about this deal vowing that they will fight this agreement before it is finalized in the coming months. prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been the leading critic of these iran talks making that very clear, especially here when he was in the united states addressing congress, making it very clear that no deal is better than a bad deal. in the minutes before the announcement that a tentative agreement has been made netanyahu tweeted this saying quote, any deal must significantly roll back iran's nuclear capabilities and stop its terrorism and aggression. of course, netanyahu said that he believes that leaving iran's nuclear infrastructure intact
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would make it possible as well as some other countries as well believing that may might develop a nuclear weapon. israel's intelligence minister saying after this agreement coming into play he oversees the monitoring of the nuclear program, said the deal was disconnected from the sad reality of the region. so no official word as far as yet now that these comments have been made. curious to see what will be said out of israel once the president speaks as well. once that happens, thomas we'll bring it to you as we are watching, the world is watching and what the president will be saying any moment now. >> a lot of moving parts with these major developments. frances, thanks so much. again, we're keeping the image up for everybody, as we had expected to see the president by 2:15 coming out to give his reaction to the p5+1 revealing, what had been negotiated behind the scenes for a framework. msnbc's chris matthews host of "hardball" joins me now. what's your reaction to hearing what they were able to reveal,
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at least from framework parameter of a deal as we move forward to the june 30th date? >> i'm getting feedback here. i'm thinking about the political changes in iran that led from ahmadinejad to rouhani. rouhani, i think, reflects the secular view of a lot of people, including zarif. we just heard from him at the podium. i think there's a different political reality going on in iran right now. this is going to be very good for that the fact the country is getting aren't from the world community. they're making a deal. of course, it's only a start. it reminds me of the 1963 limited test band treaty that kennedy was able to get. it was a beginning. yet it was a respect towards russia that russia had never gotten before from our side. and it began the cooling down and the eventual. so you begin somewhere with respect for both sides. of course, all this is going to suffer or benefit from the test of time. the critics of the president's
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behavior missed the point. i think everything agreed to here will either work or it won't over the next few years. if you're a cynic, you say all obama cares about is his legacy. well, yeah, but his legacy will depend on the success of these talks. so clearly the test isn't now. it's over the next several years. we're going to know whether they're going to honor this who not. >> and the other part you bring up, not just only the president's legacy but secretary kerry's legacy of what he has tried to provide here. 19 rounds in 18 month, chris, that they have invested in just getting to this point. as we learn about the staggered stair-step easing of sanctions on iran is this a deal that the president can sell to congress as a trust-but-verify style of deal? >> well, there is a challenge there because we know -- i'm
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just going over the numbers today. we had 47 republicans out of the 54 that basically tried to derail this on purpose with that letter to the ayatollah. they tried to kill this thing before they knew what it was. start with that problem. then you have the eight or so -- or nine democrats, including the independent angus king to basically guarantee that congress gets a say in this. the president's got a lot of proving to do here. but in the end, there's two voices out there. there are the hawks. that would be led, as always by dick cheney who's out there talking about bombing iran. then there's this president. you can do all the mushy stuff in the middle, but in the end, it's either peace or war. we either bomb the hell out of those nuclear facilities over there, which will only give us another three years before the entire country starts building it together with great national unity and nationalism and hatred of us again, or you try another
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route. what they're doing is trying another route. it will be tested. as you point out, it's going to be staggered. any relief of the sanctions will have to be on a staggered basis. we're going to get to see. but there are other players. israel doesn't have the exact same foreign policy we do. nor does saudi arabia. saadudi arabia was saying today they don't want us going back to a friendship of any kind with the iranians. of course they don't. they're jealous. they don't want us to be dealing with anybody over there but them. people in israel fear not just a nuclear iran but an economically potent iran. and they may get that. that may be something they should fear. >> all right, chris. let me interrupt you. the president is now taking the microphone in the rose garden. >> good afternoon, everybody. today the united states, together with our allies and partners, has reached a historic understanding with iran, which if fully implemented will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon. as president and commander in chief, i have no greater
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responsibility than the security of the american people. and i'm convinced that if this framework leads to a final comprehensive deal, it will make our country, our allies and our world safer. this has been a long time coming. the islamic republic of iran has been advancing its nuclear program for decades. by the time i took office, they were operating thousands of centrifuges centrifuges. and iran was concealing a covert nuclear facility. i made clear that we were prepared to resolve this issue diplomatically but only if iran came to the table in a serious way. when that did not happen we rallied the world to impose the toughest sanctions in history, sanctions which had a profound impact on the iranian economy. now, sanctions alone could not stop iran's nuclear program, but
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they did help bring iran to the negotiating table. because of our diplomatic efforts, the world stood with us and we were joined at the negotiating table by the world's major powers the united kingdom, france germany, russia, and china, as well as the european union. over a year ago, we took the first step towards today's framework with a deal to stop the progress of iran's nuclear program and roll it back in key areas. and recall that at the time skeptics argued that iran would cheat and that we could not verify their compliance and the interim agreement would fail. instead, it has succeeded exactly as intended. iran has met all of its obligations. it eliminated its stockpile of dangerous nuclear material. inspections of iran's program
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increased, and we continued negotiations to see if we could achieve a more comprehensive deal. today, after many months of tough, principled diplomacy, we have achieved the framework for that deal, and it is a good deal. a deal that meets our core objectives. this framework would cut off every pathway that iran could take to develop a nuclear weapon. iran will face strict limitations on its program, and iran has also agreed to the most robust and intrusive inspections and transparency regime ever negotiated for any nuclear program in history. so this deal is not based on trust. it's based on unprecedented verification. many key details will be finalized over the next three months, and nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed.
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but here are the basic outlines of the deal that we are working to finalize. first, iran will not be able to pursue a bomb using plutonium because it will not develop weapons-grade plutonium. the core of its reactor at iraq will be dismantled and replaced. the spent fuel from that facility will be shipped out of iran for the life of the reactor. iran will not build a new heavy water reactor. and iran will not reprocess fuel from its existing reactors ever. second, this deal shuts down iran's path to a bomb using enriched uranium. iran has agreed that its installed centrifuges will be reduced by two-thirds. iran will no longer enrich uranium at its facility. iran will not enrich uranium with its advanced centrifuges for at least the next ten years. the vast majority of iran's
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stockpile of enriched uranium will be neutralized. today estimates indicate that iran is only two or three months away from potentially acquiring the raw materials that could be used for a single nuclear bomb. under this deal iran has agreed it will not stockpile the materials needed to build a weapon. even if it violated the deal for the next decade at least, iran would be a minimum of a year away from acquiring enough material for a bomb. and the strict limitations on iran's stockpile will last for 15 years. third, this deal provides the best possible defense against iran's ability to pursue a nuclear weapon covertly. that is in secret. international inspectors will have unprecedented access not only to iranian nuclear facilities but to the entire supply chain that supports iran's nuclear program.
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from uranium mills that provide the raw materials to the centrifuge production and storage facilities that support the program. if iran cheats the world will know it. if we see something suspicious, we will inspect it. iran's past efforts to weaponize its program will be addressed. with this deal iran will face more inspections than any other country in the world. so this will be a long-term deal that addresses each path to a potential iranian nuclear bomb. there will be strict limits on iran's program for a decade. additional restrictions on building new facilities or stockpiling materials will last for 15 years. the unprecedented transparency measures will last for 20 years or more. indeed, some will be permanent. and as a member of the nuclear nonproliferation treaty iran will never be permitted to develop a nuclear weapon.
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in return for iran's actions, the international community has agreed to provide iran with relief from certain sanctions. our own sanctions and international sanctions imposed by the united nations security council. this relief will be phased as iran takes steps to adhere to the deal. if iran violates the deal sanctions can be snapped back into place. meanwhile, other american sanctions on iran for its support of terrorism, its human rights abuses its ballistic missile program, will continue to be fully enforced. now, let me re-emphasize. our work is not yet done. the deal has not been signed. between now and the end of june the negotiators will continue to work through the details of how this framework will be fully implemented and those details matter. if there is backsliding on the part of the iranians if the verification and inspection
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mechanisms don't meet the specifications of our nuclear and security experts, there will be no deal. but if we can get this done and iran follows through on the framework that our negotiators agreed to we will be able to resolve one of the greatest threats to our security and to do so peacefully. given the importance of this issue, i've instructed my negotiators to fully brief congress and the american people on the substance of the deal. and i welcome a robust debate in the weeks and months to come. i am confident that we can show that this deal is good for the security of the united states, for our allies and for the world. for the fact is we only have three options for addressing iran's nuclear program. first, we can reach a robust and verifiable deal like this one and peacefully prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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the second option is we can bomb iran's nuclear facilities thereby starting another war in the middle east and setting back iran's program by a few years. in other words, setting it back by a fraction of the time that this deal will set it back. meanwhile, we'd ensure that iran would race ahead to try and build a bomb. third, we could pull out of negotiations, try to get other countries to go along and continue sanctions that are currently in place or additional ones and hope for the best. knowing that every time we have done so iran has not capitulated but instead has advanced its program. and that in very short order, the breakout timeline would be eliminated. and a nuclear arms race in the region could be drinkingtriggered because of that uncertainty. in other words, the third option leads us very quickly back to a decision about whether or not to
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take military action because we'd have no idea what was going on inside of iran. iran is not going to simply dismantle its program because we demand it to do so. that's not how the world works. and that's not what history shows us. iran has shown no willingness to eliminate those aspects of their program that they maintain are for peaceful purposes. even in the face of unprecedented sanctions. should negotiations collapse because we the united states rejected what the majority of the world considers a fair deal what our scientists and nuclear experts suggest would give us confidence that they're not developing a nuclear weapon. it's doubtful that we can even keep our current international sanctions in place. so when you hear the inevitable critics of the deal sound off, ask them a simple question. do you really think that this
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verifiable deal if fully implemented, backed by the world's major powers is a worse option than the risk of another war in the middle east? is it worse than doing what we've done for almost two decades with iran moving forward with its nuclear program and without robust inspections? i think the answer will be clear. remember, i have always insisted that i will do what is necessary to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon and i will. but i also know that a diplomatic solution is the best way to get this done and offers a more comprehensive and lasting solution. it is our best option by far. and while it is always a possibility that iran may try to cheat on the deal in the future this framework of inspections and transparency makes it far more likely that we'll know
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about it if they try to chaetdeat. and i or future presidents will have preserved all the options currently available to deal with it. to the iranian people i want to reaffirm what i've said since the beginning of my presidency. we are willing to engage you on the basis of mutual interests and mutual respect. this deal offers the prospect of relief from sanctions that were imposed because of iran's violation of international law. since iran's supreme leader has issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons, this framework gives iran the opportunity to verify its program is, in fact peaceful. if iran complies with its international obligations, then it can fully rejoin the community of nations, thereby fulfilling the extraordinary talent and aspirations of the iranian people. that would be good for iran and it would be good for the world.
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of course, this deal alone, even if fully implemented, will not end the deep divisions and mistrust between our two countries. we have a difficult history between us. and our concerns will remain with respect to iranian behavior so long as iran continues its sponsorship of terrorism, its support for proxies who destabilize the middle east, its threats against america's friends and allies like israel. so make no mistake, we will remain vigilant in countering those actions and standing with our allies. it's no secret that the israeli prime minister and i don't agree about whether the united states should move forward with a peaceful resolution to the iranian issue. if in fact prime minister netanyahu is looking for the most effective way to ensure iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon, this is the best option.
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and i believe our nuclear experts can confirm that. more importantly, i will be speaking with the prime minister today to make clear that there will be no daylight there is no daylight when it comes to our support for israel's security and our concerns about iran's destabilizing policies and threats towards israel. that's why i've directed my national security team to consult closely with the new israeli government in the coming weeks and months about how we can further strengthen our long-term security cooperation with israel and make clear our unshakable commitment to israel's defense. today i also spoke with the king of saudi arabia to reaffirm our commitment to the security of our partners in the gulf and i'm inviting the leaders of the six countries who make up the gulf cooperation council saudi arabia united arab emirates kuwait oman qatar, and bahrain, to meet me at camp
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david this spring to discuss how we can further strengthen our security cooperation while resolving the multiple conflicts that have caused so much hardship and instability throughout the middle east. finally, it's worth remembering that congress has on a bipartisan basis played a critical role in our current iran policy helping to shape the sanctions regime that applied so much pressure on iran and ultimately forced them to the table. in the coming days and weeks, my administration will engage congress once again about how it can play a constructive oversight role. i'll begin that effort by speaking to the leaders of the house and senate today. in those conversations, i will underscore that the issues at stake here are bigger than politics. these are matters of war and peace. and they should be evaluated based on the facts and what is ultimately best for the american people and for our national
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security. this is not simply a deal between my administration and iran. this is a deal between iran the united states of america, and the major powers in the world, including some of our closest allies. if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse and the path to conflict will widen. the american people understand this, which is why a solid majority support a diplomatic resolution to the iranian nuclear issue. they understand instinctively the words of president kennedy, who faced down the far greater threat of communism and said let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to
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negotiate. the american people remember that at the height of the cold war, presidents like nixon and reagan struck a historic arms control agreement with the soviet union a far more dangerous adversary. despite the fact that adversary not only threatened to destroy our country and our way of life but had the means to do so. those agreements were not perfect. they did not end all threats, but they made our world safer. a good deal with iran will do the same. today i'd like to express my thanks to our international partners for their steadfastness, their cooperation. i was able to speak earlier today with our close allies prime minister cameron and chancellor merkel to reaffirm
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we stand shoulder to shoulder in this effort. and most of all on behalf of our nation, i want to express my thanks to our tireless and i mean tireless secretary of state john kerry. and our entire negotiating team. they have worked so hard to make this progress. they represent the best tradition of american diplomacy. their work our work is not yet done. and success is not guaranteed. but we have a historic opportunity to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons in iran and to do so peacefully. with the international community firmly behind us. we should seize that chance. thank you. god bless you. god bless the united states of america. >> all right. so we just heard the president talking to everyone there about the negotiations there were hed in switzerland over the rollback of the iranian nuclear
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program. the biggest thing to come out of this is the president talking about the fact that he wants everyone to look at this as they start to have the robust debate about it in washington, d.c. and ask, do you think this verifiable and world-supported deal is worse than another war in the middle east? basically, he laid out the fact that there are only three options available, and those options are a robust and verifiable deal either bomb the nuclear facilities in iran or pull out of negotiations and just hope for the best. chris matthews is still with me. chris, those points right thering exactly what you were talking about. the options that were laid on the table in front of the president if negotiations failed. the other two options, either bombing or hope for the best. >> yeah i think he made the point that the third alternative is rather fantastic, the idea you can somehow get to higher tougher sanctions. no european friend of ours is going to back us on that. so as he pointed down, it will go down to war again if we have
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to commit an act of war against iran which would kill any relations with that country for decades to come. did you hear he said if opponents in this country kill this, i think that was his word if they kill it -- so in other words, he sees a legislative opportunity for the senate or the house and the senate together the congress define some way to kill this bill. i thought it was an interesting option he threw at them. of course, if you put it all together, he's saying they're voting inevitably for a war situation. >> chris let me jump in real quickly. secretary kerry is now addressing the media in lausanne, switzerland. >> -- the way in which they have welcomed us and the amount of effort is really extraordinary and we're very, very grateful to them. throughout this entire process, certainly over the past week the people of switzerland have
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gone above and beyond in order to facilitate these negotiations, and i don't think anybody could imagine a much more peaceful setting in order to pursue a peaceful path forward. i also want to thank the very many other nations that have provided a home to these negotiations over the past couple of years. people forget that. it's been going on that long. and that includes austria, which was incredibly generous in hosting our delegation in sienna for a long period of time. oman which has not only hosted a number of important meetings but also played a critical role in getting these talks off the ground in the first place. and then of course we say thank you to turkey, russia, kazakhstan kazakhstan, iraq, and my home
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country, the united states. i particularly want to thank president obama. he has been courageous and determined in his pursuit of a diplomatic path. and from the day that he took office, president obama has been crystal clear that a nuclear armed iran would pose a threat to our security and the security of our allies in the region including israel. he has been just as clear that the best and most effective way to prevent that threat is through diplomacy. the journey towards a diplomatic solution began years ago. and i can tell you that i've personally been involved for about four years beginning from the time that i was serving in the united states senate. others have been on this journey and some of the others in our team for even longer than that.
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but as foreign minister zarif and high representative mogherini announced moments ago, today we have reached a critical milestone in that quest. we are p5+1 eu partners and iran have arrived at a consensus on the key parameters of an arrangement that once implemented will give the international community confidence that iran's nuclear program is and will remain exclusively peaceful. and over the coming weeks, with all of the conditions of the 2013 joint plan of action still in effect from this moment forward, our experts will continue to work hard to build on the parameters we have
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arrived at today and finalize a comprehensive deal by the end of june. now, we have said from the beginning -- i think you've heard me say it again and again -- that we will not accept just any deal that we will only accept a good deal. and today i can tell you that the political understanding with details we have reached is a solid foundation for the good deal that we are seeking. it is the foundation for a deal that will see iran reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium by 98% for 15 years. it is a deal in which iran will cut its installed centrifuges by more than two-thirds for ten years. it is a deal that will increase iran's breakout time which was confirmed publicly today to be
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two to three months. and that is the time that it would take iran to speed up its enrichment in order to produce enough fissile material for one potential nuclear weapon and that will be expanded now under this deal to one year from those two to three months. that is obviously as much as six times what it is today and what it has been for the past three years. i'd like also to make one more point very very clear because it has been misinterpreted and misstated, misrepresented for much of this discussion. there will be no sunset to the deal that we are working to finalize. no sunset. none. the parameters of this agreement will be implemented in phases. some provisions will be in place for ten years. others will be in place for 15
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years. others still will be in place for 25 years. but certain provisions including many transparency measures will be in place indefinitely into the future. they will never expire. and the bottom line is that under this arrangement, the international community will have confidence that iran's nuclear program is exclusively peaceful providing, of course that the provisions are adhered to. and if they aren't we have provisions that empower us to deal with that. ultimately the parameters that we have agreed to will do exactly what we set out to do make certain that all pathways to make enough fissile material for one nuclear weapon have been cut off, including the iranian
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pathway and the plutonium pathway at iraq and of course the covert pathway. now, we, our partners, and iran have agreed that the only uranium enrichment facility iran will operate moving forward will be the facility at natans. even that one will undergo dramatic changes. the vast majority of the centrifuges and their infrastructure will be removed. and for at least the next 15 years, the stockpile will remain at 300 kilograms, and any uranium that is enriched at natans will be capped at 3.67%, which is a typical level of enrichment for civilian nuclear power but doesn't even begin to approach the enrichment level necessary for a weapon.
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we have agreed that the facility will halt all uranium enrichment period. all youuranium enrichment. in fact, there will not even be any fissile material present at the site and no enrichment r&d. instead, the facility will be converted into a nuclear, physics, and technology center. we have also agreed that iran will redesign and rebuild its heavy water reactor so it will no longer produce any weapons-grade plutonium. and the united states will be able to sign off, certify the reactor's final design -- redesign. and through international cooperation, it will be transformed into a reactor supporting only peaceful nuclear
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research and nuclear medicine. we have agreed that iran will ship all of its spent fuel from the iraq reactor out of the country for the reactor's lifetime lifetime. and iran has agreed to refrain from building any additional heavy water reactors for the next 15 years at least. at least means still open for beyond that period in the course of the next three months. and we have agreed that iran will face regular and comprehensive inspections, which is the best possible way to detect any attempt to covertly produce a weapon. not only will inspectors have regular access to all of iran's declared facilities indefinitely, but they will also be able to monitor the
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facilities that produce the centrifuges themselves and the uranium that supports the nuclear program, and they will be able to do that for at least 20 years. this critical step will help to guard against diversion of those materials to any clandestine location or plant. in addition, iran has agreed to allow iaea to investigate any suspicious site or any allegations of covert nuclear activities anywhere. so these are just a few of the key, and i mean a few, that will make up an extraordinarily comprehensive monitoring and transparency regime when and if it is finally signed and completed over the course of the next months. now, we have been very clear, both publicly and privately, a
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final agreement will not rely on promises. it will rely on proof. it is important to note that iran to date has honored all of the commitments that it made under the joint plan of action that we agreed to in 2013. and i ask you to think about that against the backdrop of those who predicted that it would fail and not get the job done. and in return for iraq's future cooperation, we and our international partners will provide relief in phases from the sanctions that have impacted iran's economy. and if we find at any point that iran is not complying with this agreement, the sanctions can snap back into place. so together these parameters outline a reasonable standard that iran can readily meet and
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it is the standard that iran has now agreed to meet. throughout history, diplomacy has been necessary to prevent wars and to define international boundaries to design institutions and to develop global norms. simply demanding that iran capitulate makes a nice sound bite, but it's not a policy. it is not a realistic plan. so the true measure of this understanding is not whether it meets all the desires of one side at the expense of the other, the test is whether or not it will leave the world safer or more secure than it would be without this agreement. and there can be no question that the comprehensive plan that we're moving toward will more than pass that test. this isn't just my assessment.
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it isn't just the assessment of the united states' delegation and our experts. it is the assessment of every one of our p5+1 partners who stood up here. it is the assessment of our negotiating partners. germany, the u.k. china, france, and russia. and all of our experts who have analyzed every aspect of this issue also join in that assessment. from the beginning we have negotiated as a team. we are all agreed that this is the best outcome achievable. no viable alternatives not one, would be nearly as effective at preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon than over a period of time than the parameters providing they get completed. our political understanding
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arrived at today opens the door for a long-term resolution to the international communities' concerns about iran's nuclear program. now, we have no illusions about the fact that we still have a ways to travel before we'll arrive at the destination that we seek. we still have many technical details to work out on both sides and other issues that have to be resolved. for example, the duration of the u.n. arms and ballistic missile restrictions on iran and the precise timing of and mechanism for the conversion of the iraq reactor and site. and of course once we're able to finalize a comprehensive deal the process of implementation then remains in front of us as well. but that's a good challenge to have, frankly. throughout this negotiation, we have made a diligent effort to
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consult with our allies our partners including israel and the gulf states and we have vigorously reaffirmed our enduring commitment to their security. no one should mistake that. we will continue to stand by that commitment in the years and days ahead. obviously we remain deeply concerned about iran's destabilizing -- >> breaking news leads the hour. you've just been listening to secretary of state john kerry detailing the framework of a nuclear deal just reached with iran. i'm abby huntsman. the president also reacted just moments ago. >> today after many months of tough principled diplomacy, we have achieved the framework for that deal. and it is a good deal a deal that meets our core objectives. this framework would cut off every pathway that iran could take to
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