tv The Reid Report MSNBC January 8, 2015 11:00am-12:01pm PST
good afternoon, everyone. this is the reid report. and we start with the manhunt still underway for the gunmen in the deadly shooting spree. s.w.a.t. teams patrolling the streets in a town northeast of paris searching from house to house for a pair of brothers suspected in the assassination of 12 people in the attack on the french satirical newspaper charlie hebdo. lights on the eiffel tower are about to go dark in memory of the 12 individuals who were killed in tuesday's attack. this morning, a moment of silence was held at notre dame with president francois hollande with other french officials in attendance.
what can you tell us about the mood in paris which where you are tonight? >> reporter: well, right here feels like a party. we are in the plaza that is -- close to the magazine that is located down the street in that direction. and there have been thousands of people gathered here through the night. and i don't speak french very well, but i keep hearing the words charlie, charlie, and i am charlie. people chanting, of course the name of the magazine in solidarity. some of them have climbed up that statue mid way up there. and they've been up there for quite some time. so a mood of defiance perhaps, a mood of being resolute a mood of being together, a mood of saying we're not going to be intimidated by what has happened here. and a lot of people gathering here and other places around during the course of the day. the harder news of the day has to do with revelations by the security officials here.
they are going to significantly increase security here tomorrow. there are some 88,000 security officers, they say now on duty. including several thousand military. they'll be posted at kilo occasions, like public buildings, tourists destinations, the public transport system and places of worship. still concerned about the possibility of more attacks. we also have learned that the two brothers who are the two suspects were under surveillance. they've been known to french authorities for some time. and the way the french authorities say they couldn't keep track of them because they are so many young men in this country that 1,000 or more who are believed to have been either participants or on their way back and forth between iraq and syria fighting in the jihadi wars there. this country, perhaps, has more young men involved in those clashes than any other country except tunisia i understand. it's a problem here that's been well known to authorities.
and that apparently seems to be what the motivation is behind all of this. where they are is unclear. they have centered the focus of the search now in this community about an hour or more drive to the north from here. and they've been there a very significant military security presence dozens of heavily armed s.w.a.t. officers through much of the afternoon and into the evening. unclear whether they are there, though. but, again, that operation continues with a lot of intensity into the night. joy? >> all right. nbc's ron allen live in paris. thank you. and we are learning today that attorney general eric holder is headed to paris where he will attend an international conference on sunday. scheduled in response to the attacks. the topic will be violent extremism and terrorist threats. we're joined by the senior analyst at global partners. let's start with the talking about these gunmen. the two brothers who are still at large. what if anything do we know
about them and their background? >> well from what we hear from french authorities and what has been reported thus far from france is that these two brothers obviously are at large. they went to northern paris, to a town where they were allegedly spotted by a clerk at a gas station. and that clerk was threatened by them, they stole food and gas and they escaped further. and now, we don't know where they are obviously right now. and probably french authorities are not disclosing all of the information in fear they might tip them off. but what we've heard, what we've seen on some of the jihadi chatter online. not that only their attacks were celebrated and what not, but actually, there was one jihadist who celebrated -- one of the brothers. and he called him a nickname that many jihadists would use to refer to themselves instead of
their real name. which is an insinuation that he hails from an algierian background. the fact that they are north african, their family maybe hailing from algeria. there was report that they might, one of them or both of them might have traveled to syria last summer. and if that is, indeed, the case. this gives an indication from what we've seen in the video the way they were handling rifles the way they were approaching this operation with calm quiet, not using too many bullets. that seems to corroborate some of these reports that they might have traveled and possibly trained in syria. >> yeah, indeed. and do we have any information at this point about the younger member? the 18-year-old we believe police do have in custody? >> well, first, we don't have a picture of him. and maybe because of his young age. but apparently he handed himself, according to some reports, because he was not involved in -- he claims to be innocent. he at some of his class mates claim he was in school when the
attack was taking place. so we don't know exactly why he -- whether he doesn't want to run further or because he's innocent. we cannot corroborate. >> and really quickly, we don't have much time. but the fact they have been able to elude authorities with this massive manhunt happening in paris, would that indicate they have help or support or their network might be bigger than two or three people? >> it is likely they are part of a lone wolf pack if you will. but also they might have other plans to execute on their own. and, you know, we saw the tsarnaev brothers in boston they mad more plans to carry on more attacks later. and we don't know in this case if it's the case. but the mere fact they are running and going to other parts of france possibly even going outside the country considering they have french passport, that's also a possibility. >> yeah. >> and you know the search is on. >> thank you so much for your expertise. as usual, really appreciate it. >> thank you, joy. and now some reaction from capitol hill today where nancy pelosi opened her weekly comments on the topic of the paris attacks.
>> this was a horrible assault on freedom of the press. but also freedom of expression for everyone and a real attack on the principles of the civil society. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is following more reaction to the terrorist attack live on capitol hill. and kelly, there have been some i guess, shall we say, less charitable reactions to what happened from senator lindsey graham and others. talk about the reactions we are hearing on capitol hill. >> reporter: well you have that range of people of course expressing concern and condemnation for what happened, but then there's also a political dynamic. and that is in some ways directed at the president's foreign policy or at his actions regarding immigration and how that relates to the department of homeland security. there will be an ongoing political debate that will heat up rather quickly about funding the department of homeland security, which as you recall only got limited funding for the new year in part because it was one of those measures that
lawmakers were trying to buy some time to further debate what to do about the president's immigration action. that matters because even though that's a different topic, it does come under the department of homeland security. and are enough resources being put to that? house speaker john boehner was asked about that. there won't be any threat to fund the department in our country fully. that will play out politically. there are questions being raised about how the administration handles sort of identifying labeling and putting a priority on looking at acts like this. are they doing enough to make certain that the u.s. is protected? everyone will say how hard it is to defend against a lone wolf or a couple of people working together. but some republican lawmakers are saying we've got to be careful as a country to label it what it is. and so that tension, which we've seen play out before is bubbling up a bit again. at the same time, in fairness joy, i think most of what we're hearing here is concern and fear
about what could happen in the u.s. and how to protect against it. are there cells or individual operators in the u.s.? do they know enough about those potential bad actors here in our country? and are there institutions that need to be protected differently? we tend to think of our big institutions like financial institutions and government buildings. does it need to expand more to whether it's journalism or other private enterprises in the u.s. that also be vulnerable. >> indeed kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. live on capitol hill. and, indeed as members of congress continue to express condolence and support for france, so too, are the closest neighbors. members of the british parliament took part in a moment of silence today holding signs with the words ju suis charlie. meaning "i am charlie." and coming up we'll show you some of the messages that have taken over social media. and back here in the u.s., federal and local investigators are still searching for answers
today after an explosive outside the colorado springs chapter of the naacp. a spokesman for the fbi says multiple motives are being explored. and quote, it is certainly a possibility of being a hate crime or domestic terrorism. msnbc joining us with more. what can you tell us? >> when i spoke with the president of that naacp branch he was determined and resolute not to speculate or jump to any conclusions at all. he said even given the tenuous nature of race relations in the country right now, the protesting the killing of unarmed black man. he pwanted this law enforcement investigation to play out. he said the constituents and members are very concerned. this is broad daylight 10:45 in the morning. there were patrons in a barbershop located near the building and members in the naacp building. while they are very concerned, he wants to make sure that people are kind of cautious with
the way they approach this and not kind of feed folks who might want to speculate and make this one way or the other without the facts. >> i want to give you a chance to get a glass of water. i'll ask my question, but i wonder if the naacp chapter president indicated he had had any threats. any messaging toward him that he felt might have been at all relevant to what happened. >> he did not. he said the branch is very diverse with members of the republican party, democrats, black and white. and while there had been issues in recent years with the outgoing county police chief who refused to put black officers in the streets and kept them in the correctional department and issues in some of the school districts in terms of how they handle you know dealing with black students et cetera. he said other than that everything is kind of congeniality. it's still a who done it. and he's searching as fbi agents
and local law enforcement are to get to the bottom of this case. >> all right. take care of yourself. >> all right. thank you. and coming up we'll talk with a local newspaper reporter in colorado for a look at what the racial tensions were like before tuesday morning's blast. meanwhile, protests outside the canadian venue where comedian bill cosby got a standing ovation last night, just hours after three women came forward to accuse the comedian of sexual assault. we'll get the latest on the new developments in the controversy. plus colleagues around the world, powerful tributes to free speech and the cartoonists who lost their lives because of it. i'll speak to two political cartoonists who share tributes. one of them knew some of the men who died yesterday. that's all ahead. ♪ rushing to work all those years, ♪ from time in the service... to different jobs...
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despite his efforts to silence the fallout from dozens of accusations of sexual assault. there is once again, new controversy surrounding bill cosby. last night, in ontario, canada protesters gathered outside cosby's first live performance in months. it was the first show of a three-date tour, just hours after three women leveled new allegations against him. it was also the same day that actress felicia rashad spoke out for the first time about her long-time cosby show co-star. kate snow is in ontario with the details. >> reporter: hi joy. bill cosby said he'd been waiting for this night. and there was a crowd, a small crowd of protesters here right outside the theater last night. but i have to say, they were far outnumbered by the number of ticketholders going in who simply wanted to cheer cosby on. >> applause and laughter for a
routine that centered on safe topics. cosby joked about family kids wives and the bitter weather that had him wearing a fur lined hat he got for christmas from his kids. he was in his element with no disruptions inside the theater but ticketholders had to weave through protesters to get to the doors last night. >> you're going to support rapists in our community, too? >> deidra drove an hour and a half to join the protest. >> i'm into forgiveness, but he has to take ownership and responsibility for his behavior. and his behavior is totally, totally disgusting. >> reporter: some couples chose to attend even if they were uncomfortable. >> they're $100 tickets. i didn't want to throw them away. >> reporter: while others say they remained fans. >> he hasn't been charged or convicted or anything yet. but i hope it's not true. but i don't know whether it is. >> reporter: cosby performed for nearly two hours, writing to fans afterward, i would like to personally thank you for giving me the opportunity to bring laughter back into your lives.
>> for more than 30 years, i've been sickened by what he did to me. >> reporter: in los angeles wednesday, three new women accused cosby of drugging and sexually assaulting them. those claims have not been substantiated. >> i looked at him like a big brother or a fatherly figure. he betrayed my trust and took advantage of me. >> their attorney gloria allred criticized felicia rashad for saying people should forget these women. >> you should be supporting these women. >> reporter: rashad telling abc news wednesday night -- >> that was a misquote. and that is not what i said. what i said is this is not about the women. this is about something else. this is about the obliteration of a legacy. what can i say to these women whom i don't know? what can i say to things that you are hearing when i'm telling you what i've seen. what i saw was fun, never
anything inappropriate. this was the first time i was hearing anything like that. and i can't even speak to those things and don't want to. >> bill cosby has never been charged with any crime. his attorneys in the past have denied previous allegations against him. they had nothing to add or no comment on the three new women coming forward. meantime bill cosby said he had a wonderful time here. he seemed to enjoy himself. he's on now to london ontario, a bigger city where protesters are organizing and say there may be a bigger crowd of protesters there. joy? >> all right. nbc's kate snow. thank you. and now three things for you to know on this thursday. officials in cleveland have released extended surveillance video from the day police shot and killed 12-year-old tamir rice. in the same spot and moments after rice was shot to death, a girl is seen running toward him. the family says is tamir's 14-year-old sister. officers forced the girl to the ground, handcuff her and put her in a police cruiser. a family attorney calls the video shocking and outrageous.
but police have no comment. rice was killed while carrying a pellet gun, which police said looked real. the sheriff's office is investigating and the prosecutor is presenting the case to a grand jury. meanwhile, barbara boxer from california says she will not run for re-election in 2016. she made the announcement this morning via youtube. >> i am never going to retire. the work is too important, but i will not be running for the senate in 2016. >> boxer was first elected to the house in 1982 and then to the senate a decade later. in an election that was a watershed year for women in politics. a staunch supporter of progressive issues like abortion rights and gun control, boxer said she's most proud of her vote against the war in iraq. and an independent investigation found no evidence that the nfl received an elevator surveillance video in which former baltimore ravens football player ray rice is seen striking his then fiancee.
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than a focus on the specific perpetrators. #respectformuslims is trending worldwide. with this user tweeting to the i will never understand why if a muslim does something wrong the whole religion is blamed. the early popularity was driven wait for it, by one direction fans. on the account of 1d member on one of the 1d members being muslim. one fan tweeted zayn is muslim and proud, do not judge him. a new hashtag to show solidarity in the face of terror. also on your minds this morning is the bombing outside of naacp headquarters in colorado springs which had the #naacpbombing trending since yesterday. while the fbi is investigating and the naacp says it's not drawing conclusions yet. it calls to mind a troubling
history of attacks on the civil rights organization particularly during the 1960s. john lewis tweeted, i am deeply troubled be i the bombing in colorado. it reminds me of another period. these stories cannot be swept under the rug. many of you are sharing your own frustrations over how the stories are being told. comparing paris and colorado springs and tweeting somehow another attended terrorist attack has gone largely unnoticed. and another worrying over the investigation itself and tweeting it is so alarming that the suspect from naacp bombing is still on the loose. a man who detonated a bomb on u.s. soil and u.s. just shrugs. well we hear your tweeps and we'll talk with a journalist out of colorado to update the investigation. and you can join the conversation on twitter, facebook, instagram and msnbc.com. and now this news. first it was bloomberg's battle against big sodas. now new york mayor bill de
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a building which also houses mr. g's hair design studios, a barbershop. the device detonated against a wall of a building next to a gas can that did not ignite. it didn't cause damage beyond external charring of the building. the fbi is looking for a potential person of interest. a balding white man in his 40s possibly in a 2000 or older model white pickup truck. and a new twitter friend of mine. thanks very much for doing that. let's talk about some of the things that investigators are still attempting to find out. we don't know for sure whether this is a hate crime. we don't know yet what kind of power was in the explosion, we don't know what the motive was. and one question i would like to ask you is whether or not
authorities are actually now calling it a bombing. >> i talked to the fbi this morning and i had some e-mails back and forth with them, as well. and i asked are we wrong to say this is an attempted bombing? and the fbi said no you can call this an attempted bombing, but they're just not sure who the target was or what the target was or the motive behind the target. you can call it an attempted bombing. >> and so, other than the naacp and this barbershop, is there anything else in the building? and are the fbi investigators looking at any other potential targets inside that building? >> i think those are the two main things the fbi is looking at right now. anything else involved in their investigation, unfortunately, they won't talk about, citing the ongoing nature of the investigation. they want to protect the investigation to make sure that you know, they can do their jobs is what they told me.
and anything -- they're exploring every possible possibility. >> right. and tell me a little bit about the block and the area the neighborhood this is in. is this a quiet area? an area where there's frequent police activity? or is this an area that is generally very unfamiliar with lots and lots of this kind of police activity? >> people that we -- neighbors that we talked to seemed surprised this would happen in their community. the colorado springs police department told us there are no previous calls for service in this neighborhood that, you know, indicated anything of concern. in advance of this attempted bombing on tuesday morning. and i think people were definitely you know surprised and frightened this would happen in their community. it's not something that you'd expect to happen there. >> okay. and let's talk about the person of interest. >> not something you expect to happen. >> oh no it's not something we would expect to happen anywhere. let's talk about this person of
interest that police are looking for. how are police going about to try to get the community to help them find this person? and do they have any more of a description beyond a balding white male in his 40s with a dirty white pickup truck? >> no, and fbi says they told me yesterday they don't have a name of this person yet. but the police department did send out an e-mail this morning on behalf of local law enforcement agencies in the area the police department the county sheriff's department, and the -- the naacp, as well. and they ask people to give them any possible information they possibly have. they asked them to refer any tips or you know something they might have seen something they might have heard to the fbi. >> and are they expecting to put out a sketch any time soon? >> not that i'm aware of no. >> okay. well, let's talk -- >> the fbi doesn't have a time line. >> they don't have a time line. let's talk about the coverage. i spoke with a family member in denver who expressed some frustration about the lack of
sort of extensive coverage of this, even in denver nearby colorado springs and talked about this hashtag. and people questioning whether there's enough coverage. i want to play you what my colleague ronan farrow. he asked about coverage of this situation or lack thereof. take a listen to what marc mor moreal had to say. >> no excuse why even in the face of the tragic incidents in paris, why this shouldn't garner more attention. because those that are on the front line of civil rights, like the naacp, like the national urban league our employees, our volunteers, our supporters, and others and others should not be targeted by hate groups or hateful individuals. >> and cassandra, obviously your paper, the colorado springs gazette has been covering this. you've been covering it. you and other reporters have been active on social media tweeting out your coverage. have you gotten back that feedback from inside of colorado? or even in colorado springs that
people feel there hasn't been extensive enough or aggressive enough coverage? >> we've seen a lot of feedback about the coverage of the incident locally as well as nationally. and i talked to the president of the local chapter of the naacp here this morning, henry allen jr., and i asked him what he thought about the coverage and this concern that a lot of people have that the coverage of what's been going on in paris has been kind of the front runner in national media. and he said that he's okay with that. because he wishes the best for everyone who had loved ones who died in paris. and he is very blessed that no one died and no one was hurt in this attack in colorado springs. and he said that he wants to move forward from this and he would rather talk about other issues instead of just having the bombing be the focus. >> all right. we'll leave it there. cassandra, thank you very much for being here.
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the weapon sling that keeps it -- doing it in this situation with all of this gear which can be distracting. shooting and moving at the same time moving together in tandem kind of tactically. this is a different level of training. they're very methodical. not running around haphazard. they seem like they've probably rehearsed this to some degree. they seem to kind of communicate with each other nonverbally. they know where they're going. this is all -- this comes through training. >> looks like they're wearing a uniform of sorts. >> of sorts. >> but more importantly, you talk about the magazines. >> extra magazines. that's one thing when you're training your carry extra magazines. you train to reload reload while you're moving reload under cover while your partner is covering you. >> and you see a little bit of that while they're running in the fact they can shoot while they're moving. >> yeah, which is a skill that takes a lot of practice for sure. the way they were pretty methodical and everything else, i have to believe that the time
and the day and everything about their target the choosing of that, so they would be able to encounter the victims that they wanted to encounter. >> what do you glean from this? >> it's a pretty tight group. it shows they've had some marksmanship training. it's not just kind of the spray and pray. the fact that they were using you know on single fire or possibly a three-round burst. not just this full automatic fire fire. >> and as authorities in france try to piece together the story of who perpetrated the attacks. political cartoonists around the world are remembering the men, including their editor. french media reporting that 1 million copies of the next edition of "charlie hebdo" will be printed. and joining me now are jim moran, a political cartoonist
for the miami herald and ted raul for the "los angeles times." thank you, both, for being here. i'm going to start at the table with you, ted. there has been this real outpouring of art in response to this attack. on "charlie hebdo" from people in the united states and around the world. do you think that is important in this moment for that art to continue to flourish? >> i mean freedom of expression means nothing if it's not explored to the limits. there's no greater tribute than for people to express themselves as they see fit and say whatever they feel like saying. >> is it relevant at all. there has been this big debate. there's a huge backlash online to a "usa today" article that tried to give a counterpoint on the content of the satire that this magazine was putting forward. does it matter if people approve of the content that was inside
"charlie hebdo" and the taste level of it or whatever you want to say. >> well, i suppose it matters. i agree with ted. i think that we need to not limit freedom of expression. because once you start doing it, where's that stop? >> yeah. indeed, and today, you know you're known for being very provocative, of not being afraid to take on whoever is in power. and you wrote an interesting piece in the "los angeles times." you said that political cartoonists receive threats after 9/11 especially people promise to blow me up with a bomb, slit the throats of every member of my family rape me and deprive me of a livelihood by organizing sketchy boycott campaigns. the last one almost worked. has this become a hazard of political satire in the printed form recently? or is this just sort of the life of the political satirist?
>> i think political satire has been dangerous. if you go back to the early days of george carlin and stand-up comedy and political cartooning to the very foundations of the republic. it's always been a high-wire act and always been dangerous and there have always been threats. in a sense to what happened yesterday is shocking but it's not really surprising. >> yeah, and unfortunately, well, the bottom line jim, though, is what you guys do for a living is making people laugh. it's supposed to be entertaining and that should be the bottom line for people going into it. i want to play you jon stewart, we love him as a commentator as well as a satirist in his own right. this is what he said in response to what happened in paris. let you take a listen and get your response. >> i know very few people go into comedy you know as an act of courage. mainly because it shouldn't have to be that. it shouldn't be an act of courage. it should be taken as established law. but those guys at hebdo had it
and they were killed for their cartoons. >> i mean and jim, is one of the reasons that these cartoonists, obviously the shocking tragedy that happened, but also the fact that these these particular satirists were very bold very unafraid. they've been threatened before fire bombed before and they displayed courage before is that part of the reason they're getting such a huge outpouring of support from the artist community? >> right, right. yeah. you know, i think that the humor part of it sometimes gets a little bit overblown. you know in satire i'm not necessarily looking for humor, i'm looking to be educated, and i'm looking to hear something that i haven't heard before and enlightens me. and i think that's the most important part of it. >> indeed and you bet some of these artists. tell us a little bit about them. what were their sort of -- what
were they like? >> well this was at the big annual con fab, which takes place every year the biggest gathering in the world for cartoonists and their fans. they sought me out because i speak french. and they were just a whole lot of fun. they were clearly -- they enjoyed so much editorial support. and they were asked not to tone it down but to amp it up and step it up. and you can tell they were always trying to one-up each other. it was a refreshing and different vibe than what many cartoonists go through in the united states. >> yeah. and speaking of the united states, jim, i want to talk a little bit about the way satire cuts here. take out the dangerous element of what happens when you venture into religious satire. we've had situations where the cover of a magazine "the new yorker" put a cover when barack obama was running for president, was extremely controversial and that wound up causing a lot of consternation in the united states. there's that risk that the message is taken poorly and provokes a lot of racial and other anxiety even in the united states. is that something you've
experienced in your career? and do you think that's part of the reason people go into it? to provoke people in that way? >> yes. i've experienced it. i'm sure ted has, too. and there's -- there's nothing you can do about it. you just have to speak your mind and do so clearly and with conviction. >> yeah. >> and we try to be understanding to other people's points of view and sensitive to how they might feel. but on the other hand, you can't be dishonest. >> yeah, indeed, that's something i think you know well. you're definitely one that does exactly that. very provocative. and both of you are truly great artists and i appreciate both of you being here. thank you so much. >> thank you joy. >> thank you. happy new year. and next we will read between the lines on how we define terrorism. then the spill. now the scrub and the second guess. finally, the rewash. or you can make it easy
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unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property. to intimidate or coerce a government the civilian population or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives. and while the fbi goes on to clarify that reference to individual members of any political ethnic or religious group does not imply that all members of that group are terrorists and that terrorists represent a small minority in any large social context. elizabeth plank points out in a piece from mic.com, if you ask most people the term conjures up one image. brown people with beards and bombs. that dichotomy between what terrorism is and what we perceive it to be came into stark relief this week. when within 24 hours of one another, a bomb went off outside a building in colorado springs housing the local naacp chapter, and two men storm the offices of "charlie hebdo" and proceeded to massacre a dozen people.
on my twitter feed and across social media, many people were outraged the two stories weren't both being labeled terrorism. one foreign, one domestic. as the editor pointed out in a tweet, that a crazy outlier attempted to bomb an naacp office and islam carried out an attack in paris. do we as a society and in the media have a working definition of terrorism that makes sense? in the paris incident people died, the motive seemed clearly political, intended to intimidate people based on speech. the fbi is investigating the bombing as a possible hate crime or potential domestic terrorism but possible is still the operative word. we don't know who the balding white male potential person of interest is or what his motives were. but the bombing brings to mind a chilling past in which naacp offices in the south were frequently the targets of
threats or actual violence. including bombings. incidents that by any rational definition of the word were domestic terrorism, right? most people agree that the bombing of the building by timothy mcveigh and his crew in 1995 was domestic terrorism. the target was a government building which happened to house a day care center. but federal nonetheless. but what about the mass shooting that injured gaby giffords four years ago today? giffords was a sitting congresswoman at the time should that attack have been been labeled domestic terrorism? what about the couple who bragged about participating in the armed standoff with federal agents at the ranch and went on a shooting rampage in las vegas killing a third person before draping a flag over the bodies and kills themselves? would those incidents targeting agents of governmental power be classified as domestic terrorism even though the perpetrators were not muslims?
and if the naacp bombing turns out to be motivated by hate does the fact that no one was killed exclude terrorism as the right term for what occurred? and that wraps things up i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern and visit us online. the cycle is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ "here i am. rock you like a hurricane." ♪ fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle.
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believed to be behind wednesday's deadly attack on the satirical newspaper "charlie hebdo." a set of brothers in their early 30s. both born in paris to algerian parents but orphaned as children. one has already served time on a terrorism conviction. a third suspect who is just 18 years old turned himself into police last night. all three allegedly have ties to islamic extremism, but not necessarily isis or al qaeda. regardless, the attack is raising concerns about possible retaliation against french muslims. and fear of similar terror attacks like what we saw in ottawa and sydney two of the most high-profile incidents over the past year. at least 2,000 french citizens have fought with isis in iraq and in syria. we're going to dig into both of those issues in this hour. but first, a separate attack this morning on the edge of paris left another police officer dead. for now, local authorities are not linking this in the "charlie
hebdo" attack. but standing against the terrorists. massive shows of support in paris, in london, madrid, berlin, brussels and here in new york city with chants of ju suis charlie and we are not afraid. continuing to gather and mourn. these are live pictures you're looking at there in paris. and as for the magazine the surviving journalists are working on their next issue, that is due out on wednesday. they're increasing production to 1 million copies. that is 16 times the normal run. nbc's ron allen is live in paris. and ron, let's start with that search. what is the latest? >> reporter: well there's still thousands of people out here in the square that's not far from the magazine show -- huge show of solidarity going on for many hours. in the background, you may people saying chanting charlie, charlie, i am charlie, we are charlie. if you pan that direction, you can get a closer look at what people are doing. there's displays