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killed michael brown did not write an incident report turns out to be true. >> hands up, don't shoot! >> calls are growing louder for the lead prosecutor to step down. >> deep ties to the police force. >> mcculloch remains firm he'll stay on the case. >> the people don't believe he will do the right thing. >> unless the governor orders him off of it. >> the governor has to decide. >> act or shut up. >> no justice, no peace! >> people are now awake. >> still demanding answers about the killing of michael brown. >> people decided they can make a change. >> a grand jury has begun hearing evidence. >> we're going to be protesting every day. >> it will take weeks to determine if there's criminal charges. >> people are tired of the tear gas. >> the governor ordered the national guard. >> the justice department stands with the people of ferguson.
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we have breaking news tonight in the killing of michael brown. st. louis county prosecutors told nbc news today that the ferguson police department has no incident report of the shooting of michael brown. darren wilson, the officer who shot and killed michael brown, did not write an incident report contrary to standard police procedure. ferguson police chief tom jackson seems to, in effect, say that last week when he released another incident report involving the theft of cigarillos from the convenience store. listen to what chief jackson said that day when he released those reports. >> pretty much given me every bit of information we have now. i don't think there's anything else that we have to give out.
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>> just before chief jackson's press conference, i tweeted this on friday. educated guess, possible reason they didn't release shooter's incident report, he didn't write one on advice of his lawyer. and then when i heard him say, we pretty much gave every bit of information we have, i tweeted this. the chief seems to make it very clear that the shooter did not write an incident report. fifth amendment. yesterday in response to a lawsuit from the aclu, the st. louis county police released an incident report that says, in effect, nothing other than the time and proximate location of a homicide and the victim's name, michael brown. that incident report indicates that it was not filed until possibly ten days after the killing of michael brown. joining me now is lisa bloom, an nbc legal analyst, liz brown, columnist for the st. louis american newspaper, and jim cavanaugh, nbc law enforcement
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analyst. liz brown to you, what is your reaction to you that the shooter in this case did not write an incident report? >> i think it's consistent with everything that we've experienced with this police department. i think it's consistent with the concerns that have been articulated by all of the people that have been marching and protesting and crying out for justice. this is a police department that is out of control. this is a police department that doesn't have respect for the law. and it's a police department that is very comfortable with not telling the truth about what happened. it's hugely problematic. it's almost like something that would have been written for a sitcom, because it's just that unbelievable. >> lisa bloom, in the decades i've been studying these cases, most of them involve incident reports written by the officers involved with the shooting. in recent years, it's become
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customary for the police union lawyer to run in and prevent the shooter from giving any kind of comment or writing any sort of incident report whatsoever. >> that's a very aggressive move by the defense attorney, and i can understand that. but we the people, the citizens who, with our tax dollars are paying this police officer, are entitled to an account of what happened. and if he refuses to follow standard operating procedure in preparing a report, he should be fired. he's now on administrative leave with full pay. at a minimum, this revelation should result in the loss of his job. >> jim cavanaugh, your reaction? >> if this is justice, i'll take something else. you have no incident report by the officer or the county homicide bureau. it doesn't even have the basic facts. it has michael brown's name and a homicide. and the date.
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it doesn't have anything. you're not expecting "war and peace" to be written on the first day by the homicide bureau, but you expect to have the basic circumstances of the death, the circumstances that surrounded, the scenario, who's involved, the names of possible witnesses. i've been to many murder scenes and i've been to them when they just happened as an officer. when you had a homicide on your beat, you had to write a long incident report. when you got the call, when you arrived, you saw the guy there, he had blood all over his shirt, what the first witnesses said to him. once we could get clear to the scene, we could go back to the station and elaborate. so i don't know, lawrence. i'm very flabbergasted. i think the whole situation, it cries upon the department of justice to make a move here, to determine probable cause. i know the federal attorneys. i know they'll want to go to the federal grand jury. but something has got to happen.
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>> so far, the police procedure, the local police procedure is textbook for a bad shooting the police don't want to admit. i think we can put this incident report up on the screen. i'm not sure we have it prepared graphically to do it. but there's not a single sentence written on it. there's one little piece that flips over to the next -- there you see it, the next page just has michael brown's name on it, identifies the situation as a homicide, which it is. a lot of people think in the audience means murder. it doesn't. it just means a person died at the hands of another. the only date on it other than the date the incident occurred is august 19, this tuesday, just two days ago, and it may be that this report was not even composed, was not even entered into their records until two
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days ago and we got this report as a result of the aclu pressing for it. so there is the possibility that this piece of nothing was actually just created this week. >> absolutely. and after the press conference. and after the request for it. you know, i think that we can almost look at this document as a confession, a confession by the police department that we did wrong. and that we did something that we cannot defend. and we did something that we cannot explain. i think that's really the only way to look at this document. it's a created document for the sole purpose of responding to a request from the aclu. in the document, it says nothing about what happened. they don't want to say because they don't want to admit it. >> i just want to go to the time entered. the date and time entered was august 19 at 9:46 a.m.
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then it got a supervisor review later that same day, tuesday, then it got a final approval on wednesday, just yesterday. now look, one of the possibilities is that simply may be some bureaucratic information about how this particular piece of paper was revealed to the aclu and it might simply be a log of tracking the paper's movement through their system. that's the best reading of it from the most positive reading you can give it for the st. louis county police. >> but if it was signed off by a supervisor and if it was accepted by the chief of police, then this raises another question. darren wilson is still employed by the police department. this should have they have been an acceptable police report to file. so if the chief accepted it, if the supervisor accepted it, they should lose their jobs, as well. this is an unacceptable report. >> can we talk about the huge
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strategic advantage this gives to darren wilson. >> if darren wilson's lawyer could have managed the entire investigative response to this case so far, everything that we know he would have wanted done has been done. and everything that we know he would not want done has not been done. >> that's right. because without giving any kind of a public statement, and we still don't have one from officer wilson, or even an attorney representing him. we've been piecing together for the last week and a half from hearsay witnesses. we don't even know what his story is. that gives him a huge advantage. he can listen to all the witnesses that have come forward. he can look at the autopsy reports and then he can create a story that conforms to all that evidence. there is no bigger advantage in a court of law than that advantage. >> and don't forget that when he
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walks into the grand jury, the grand jury will rule on information that is hearsay information, information that could they have pass muster in a courtroom. so he not only has the advantages just articulated, but having the advantage of bringing anything he wants into in the grand jury. >> there's another issue, and that's the issue of the injuries sustained by this police officer was reported in "the washington post" that there was a fracture of some kind near the eye of the officer. cnn is reporting that's untrue, there was no fracture. and jim cavanaugh, it would be very easy for the police department to reveal precisely what the medical findings were when he went to the hospital. >> exactly right, lawrence. there's an old police saying, if there's trouble getting the information, there's usually trouble with the information.
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there would be no reason not to tell us what the officer's injuries were. by the way, i think the officer did suffer some injury bruise to the face, whether michael brown punched him or whether his firearm kicked back in the close quarters of the police vehicle and banged his face. i'm not seeing that as a big dispute. it doesn't justify shooting him when he's running away. it's completely a different issue. so police, you've got to expect to be punched in the face. you can punch back, but you can't shoot back. not in the situation that's not life threatening. so all this information, where is it? it's disappeared. is it in the arch? i don't see it. i think that we need the department of justice to make some decisions for the country, for the county, for the people, make the decision. this is about leaders making decisions.
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they did it in the civil rights era. all the heros of that era made the decisions. if the county prosecutor wants to make it, he should make it. but the county's prosecutor's office is full of great prosecutors who decide probable cause every day. cops decide probable cause every day. every warrant, every search warrant, we all decide probable cause. we live it. it can be decided and a decision needs to be made. >> liz brown, you're the closest watcher of ferguson in st. louis police here among us. i have never seen one of these cases in which the police didn't release and make public every bit of information that was helpful to them as soon as possible. is that generally the way things have worked in st. louis? >> that's generally the way that it works, particularly a case that's being tried in the public arena. the police have every option and opportunity, and nearly every resource, to decide which way, which direction the story is
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going to take. in this case, i've never seen anything like it before. what i've also never seen, and i think we talked about this before, is the fact that this potential defendant is being invited to walk into the grand jury and present his case. no prosecutor, who is seeking an indictment, invites the defendant in to argue his case. and there's also one more thing that i don't know that we have an answer to. it could have -- it could very well be that darren wilson has testified before this grand jury before on another case. so we have the potential that a grand jury, who has found him credible to issue a warrant on, is now going to be asked to look at this man and see if they want to issue an indictment for murder on this man. that's a huge problem. >> it's a very strange case from start to finish.
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lisa, liz, and jim, thank you all very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, another eyewitness to the shooting of michael brown joins me next. and in the rewrite, "the new york times" responded today to what i had to say about their reporting last night. so what we're looking for is a way to "plus" our accounting firm's mobile plan. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. when frustration and paperwork decrease.
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an eyewitness to the shooting death of michael brown will join us next and tell us what he saw.
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this is bill. his doubleheader day at the park starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. peanuts! peanuts! crowd cheers! i'm joined now by another eyewitness to the shooting of michael brown. michael brady joins us now from ferguson. michael brady, thank you very
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much for joining us tonight. could you tell us where you were when you first became aware that something was happening on that street? >> i was actually in my bedroom, and i hear an altercation outside. i happened to look out the window. i see an altercation, some kind of tussling in the window. right after that, i actually just seen him take off from the vehicle. he also had a friend with him. his friend, he was actually like in front of the vehicle, like five feet away from it, in front of the passenger side of the vehicle. and like i said, they both just take off from the vehicle after the tussle in the window. and his friend runs behind a white two-door vehicle that was sitting off to the side. the officer immediately just gets out the vehicle and he just started shooting.
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so when he started shooting, he was actually taking large steps to him, to michael brown that was at the window. and i noticed that he wasn't shooting at his friend because he walked past the car. so when he walked past the car, i noted that was my time to run out to the front door. when i went out to the front door, that's when i turned my song on. when i went outside, he was actually balled up, like he was hit in the stomach is what i thought. so as he was kind of balled up, he was going down actually. and the cop shot four or five shots at him, and then he hit the ground and that was it. >> when you say you saw an altercation at the car, was it u7already under way? did you see it begin or was it already happening when you looked at the car? >> it was already happening.
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>> okay. could you see michael brown's hands during that altercation? >> yes. >> where were his hands? >> most likely through the window. >> okay, through the window. and you just made sort of a punching gesture. would you say -- could you tell from your angle if michael brown was punching? >> i really can't tell. i just know -- i seen probably the cop's arm was probably doing the same thing. i just seen some arms going through the window. that's why i was doing this. but most likely i would say that mike brown's arms was through the window. >> could you -- >> maybe the cop's arms -- >> could you see the police officer's arms? >> yeah, i seen his arms moving also.
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>> okay. the video that you recorded at that time, there's some -- we don't have the video ready to play, you gave it to us early, we appreciate that. we got the audio of what you said on that video, and it begins with you saying he just got shot. he just ran up to the car, he ran up to the car. he was punching on him. who was punching on who or what did you mean by "he was punching on him?" >> well, like i said, when i first looked out the window and saw that, that's just what i assumed that he was punching on him. because that's not normal, so i just assumed. >> okay, so was your angle on michael brown's back or at a spot where you could see his profile leaning into the car? his side or his back or his
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front or what? >> i couldn't see his face while i was at the window. but like i say, he took off running. i seen the sides, his whole side body just takes off from the vehicle. so basically i just seen him running away from the vehicle. >> okay. and just to go back to this altercation, at that time, you saw the altercation that was punching or some kind of punching. and then michael brown runs away from the car? >> yes. >> and did you hear a shot fired before michael brown ran away from the car? >> no, that's what i didn't hear. because like i said, i was still in the window while it was going on. >> okay. so you were inside and so there
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was a window separating you from the sounds of what was going on out there or some of the sounds? >> yes. >> at some point, michael, in the middle of this, you lose sight of what's going on out there because of -- as i heard what you said, you change your position. you go from that window to somewhere else. did you leave the apartment and go outside? >> yes. >> and how long did it take you to go from your apartment to outside, how much of the action do you think you missed during that move? >> it wasn't long at all, because it took some big steps going to the front door, so i could really see what's going on. but like i said, from the time the officer gets out the car and i noticed that he went past his friend, that was a time for me to go outside. but that was probably less than
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five seconds definitely. it didn't take long for me to get to the front door. >> had been the officer fired any shots by the time you made your move? >> i didn't hear that. i didn't hear that. >> okay. and what did you see michael brown do? you saw him run away from the car, and that's the last thing you saw michael brown doing before you changed your position was him running away from the car? >> no, actually he was -- the officer was already shooting. he was already shooting. that's why when he immediately gets out the car, he just started shooting in his shooting position. like i said, he past his police cruiser and past the vehicle that his friend also ran to. so i thought he's not shooting at his friend, he's shooting at the person at the window.
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that's when i took off to the front door. >> okay. when you got out the front door, what did you see michael brown doing then? >> when i gets outside, he was actually turned back around facing the officer. like i said, i thought he was hit obviously because he turned around and he was going down, he was bent over with his hands over his stomach and he was going down on his knees. like i said, it didn't look like he was giving up. it just looked like he was going to go down and just bleed to death. but the officer, before he went down, the officer lets out three or four more shots at him. that's when he hit the ground. >> so when you say you got to the point and you saw him and he was -- he had his arms like that and he was going down, would it be fair for me to interpret what you're saying, do you think michael brown -- did it look to
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you like he represented a threat to the police officer? >> i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> when you came to the door and you saw michael brown beginning to go down, did it seem like he was in any way threatening the police officer as he was going down? >> no, no. like i said, he was already 20, 25 feet away. so it didn't look like at all that he was trying to charge at him or anything like that. >> so to be clear, are you saying when you saw the final shots fired, the police officer was 25 feet away from michael brown? >> yes. >> and when the police officer stopped firing and michael brown went down on the pavement, how far apart was the police officer from michael brown? >> within 20 feet, within 20
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feet. >> okay. so 20 feet. still a significant distance. certainly a much longer distance that if someone who was unarmed was trying to harm you, if they're 20 or 25 feet away, you don't have anything to worry about. that's what we're talking about. >> right. >> and i just wanted you to listen to something that another witness said on this program. tiffany mitchell, who approached that area in her car and watched the entire thing. she never had to leave the scene for a moment, or lose sight of it as you did. let's listen to what tiffany mitchell said. let's listen to this. >> as i come around the corner,
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i hear tires squeaking. as i get closer, i see michael and the officer grappling through the window. michael was pushing, trying to get away from him. the officer was trying to pull him in. as i pull out my phone, it just didn't look right, because you never see an officer and someone just wrestling through the window. as i pulled my phone, the first shot was fired through the window. i just tried to get out of the way. i pulled into the parking lot right beside where the cop car was, and that's when michael broke away and started running down the street. the officer gets out of his vehicle and pursues him. as he's following him, he's shooting at him. michael's body jerks as if he was hit. then he turns around, put his hands up and the officer continued to walk up and continued to shoot him until he goes down to the ground. >> michael brady, is that essentially the -- what you saw?
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>> well, like i said, i really didn't see his hands up. >> right. >> like i said, he probably -- let me see. personally, i didn't see his hands up. by the time i get outside, it was looking like he was going down and the officer let out a few more shots. so i didn't miss the hands go all on that one. >> and so is that the only -- i don't want to call it disagreement, because it isn't, it's something you didn't see that she saw, and it may have happened when you weren't looking. but is that the only difference between your stories at this point do you think in what you just heard? >> i mean, my story definitely ain't going to change. that's what she saw, that's what i saw. >> yeah, i think the only
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difference is your choice of words on you say altercation. that day you say punching. she says wrestling. those are all pretty close. >> yeah. >> so i just wanted to see if you heard anything that she said. i didn't hear anything that she said that differed substantially with what you said. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing anything there. >> okay. >> okay. michael brady, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> not a problem. >> i know it was difficult there with the noise around you and i really appreciate it. thank you. >> not a problem. thank you. >> joy reid joins me next to discuss what you just heard. when you told me about this "candy crush" game at first i thought "so what?", but now i can't stop playing. that's not how it works. i mean it's so simple. it's like my car insurance. i saved 15% in fifteen minutes. well esurance could have saved you money in half that time.
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going down and the shots were continuing and you know now from the autopsy that the family indicates there was a shot at the top of the head. so witnesses are always difficult. they're not coached to come on television and talk. so they tend to be nervous and they stumble through. but what you're looking for is substantial similarity between the accounts and i think you have it here. the one question is what was happening at the car. because likely, if this ever becomes a trial, what officer wilson's defense will be is the scuffle in the car involved michael brown hitting him or attacking him. >> yeah, which doesn't carry the death penalty. there's plenty of police officers who get assaulted and know how to handle it without killing anybody. joy, i think there is going to be, as this coverage continues, certainly before we get to a courtroom if we get to a courtroom, a tremendous overemphasis on what happened in
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the car. as michael brady said on his video that day, punching, as tiffany said wrestling. michael said tonight altercation. maybe punching. i think the people who are trying to find a justification for this shooting are going to lean heavily on what happened in the automobile. the trouble is, the killing of michael brown occurs outside of the automobile, after some passage of time, after he's been shot a number of times, and he's, as we just heard from michael brady, if his testimony is true, he's 20 feet away approximately, 25 feet away, when the final kill shots are delivered. and the time kill shot has to be treated as a separate decision made by the police officer. let's listen to the way michael brady described those final shots. >> when i gets outside, he was actually turned back around
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facing the officer. like i said, i thought he was hit obviously because he turned around and he was going down. he was bent over with his hands over his stomach, and he was going down on his knees. and like i said, it didn't look like he was giving up. it just like he was going to go down and just bleed to death. but the officer, before he went down, the officer just lets out three or four more shots at him. that's when he hit the ground. >> and joy, that's completely consistent with what tiffany mitchell had to say about this. and that is where the case resides. that is if point of the case that is first degree murder or manslaughter or -- that's where the charge will be lodged, right on what he just said. >> and to say nothing -- i know a number of police officers and the idea of running down the street or running after someone shooting is not sound police practice either.
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but he's also describing somebody that is already neutralized as a threat because he's in the process of falling forward with his hands clutching his stomach. that doesn't sound like someone who is charging after or any threat to the officer. here's the thing. it is going to be up to a prosecutor to make that case and to get -- if this ever gets that car, a jury to discount the idea that whatever happened in the car or whatever happened in the store, which is completely irrelevant, 100% irrelevant is important, but those things are out there. that's what makes people so nervous about the current prosecutor, that you do have the police having given information that is prejudicial against the victim. so people who are inclined to believe the officer are going to reach for anything that makes michael brown look threatening or makes michael brown, we've
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seen the word thug thrown around very much like the trayvon martin case. i think that's the reason to worry, if the prosecution is not vigorous enough in saying what you just said. >> i think it's going to be a close call, whether that video from the store is allowed in the case. i think if there is a case, the defense will argue and may successfully argue that this shows a propensity, this shows this guy's ability to throw a punch. it wouldn't be so surprising. and let's assume for the moment that's in the case. it is entirely possible that a jury can find that the first shot inside that car was a justifiable defense by the police officer of someone who was attacking him. that very same juror can decide that after the officer got out of the car and was running down the street, and we know recklessly firing the gun because he hit someone's house with 24 shooting, and he missed,
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as a lot of police bullets do. and then when you -- then you have michael brady's testimony saying, and tiffany mitchell's testimony saying the final decision the police officer makes after all of this as he's watch thing person fall with bullets already in him is to shoot him in the head two more times. >> yeah. and therein lies the importance of having a vigorous prosecution that makes all of those cases and differentiates that. you have to walk the jury through that in that way. that's where a vigorous prosecutor that believes in their case comes in. that's what people will wait and watch to see. but it's important that what you do have is multiple eye witnesses whose stories substantially track. you have three people who don't know each other, who don't have any reason to coordinate their stories and you have video that they took on that day, proving that they were there, that they were there in the moment. so i think it's important that the substantial similarity
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between what we've heard in these multiple accounts really does point to an officer who was running toward michael brown, who was shooting, and who fired those final shots as he was leaning forward. that's how you get a gunshot in the top of the head. i think that's what this case hinges on is those final shots, the final two or three shots or particularly the two that wound up in michael brown's head. >> joy reid, thank you very much for joining me tonight. and thanks for the work you're doing every day at 2:00 on msnbc. that's how i get my homework done every day. thanks, joy. coming up, "the new york times" responds to last night's rewrite. today, "the new york times" an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. that's why verizon is giving you even more. now, for a limited time, get more data! 1 gb of bonus data every month
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i won't belabor what took me 11 minutes to explain last night, but a series of tweets i sent to "the new york times" today, i said they did basically bad police reporting and that "the new york times" must stop saying witness accounts differ sharply if they cannot prove it. "the times" offers no proof. i then made a request of "the times" please produce the witness accounts that differ sharply, side by side, or stop saying something you can't prove. i know many of you tweeted "the new york times" about this immediately after last night's rewrite and a reply came today. after noting my objections to the article yesterday, and interviewing james dow, the national editor who defended the article, the public editor
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wrote -- this article doesn't measure up for the reasons detailed above. "the times" is asking readers to trust its sourcing without nearly enough details and it steps up an apparently dichotomy between named eye witnesses on one hand and ghosts on the other. ghosts is a great word, a much better word than what i came up with for what "the times" was using in that article to justify the notion that witness accounts differ sharply. in defending the article, james dow said that it would be ideal in every story to name all the sources, but that was not possible here. here's the problem. i never once asked for the name of one of "the new york times" sources. this is not about the names of the sources. keep your sources secret. what i demand to know is what those sources said.
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"the times" does not offer one word from their anonymous sources, not one word that describes a sharply differing account from an eyewitness. that's what they should have done, if they had that. so james dow is hiding behind an issue that was not raised. i don't care about the names of "the times" secret sources. james dow still doesn't understand how bad the reporting writing and especially his editing of that article was. he's obviously the editor responsible for it, and the language used in that article is his fault. james dow's terrible job of editing a badly reported article infected "the new york times" lead editorial today, just as i expected it would. if an otherwise solid editorial, there is this line. witness accounts differ sharply on the events leading to the
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shooting. normally the way things work at newspaper editorial boards, i guaranty no one involved in the writing of that editorial can tell us which witness accounts differ sharply or slightly, or if at all. sit a virtual certainty that the anonymous writer of that editorial cannot cite a single sharp difference between or among any of the known witness accounts in any of "the new york times" supposedly secret witness accounts. the editorial writer just lifted that phrasing from yesterday's very bad police reporting in "the new york times." "the new york times" reporters and editor james dow made a secret judgment that witness accounts differ sharply. and they have implicitly said to "the new york times" readers you just have to trust us about that differing sharply bit.
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while the headline of "the new york times" public editor's article is a ferguson story on "conflicts accounts," seems to say "trust us." i don't trust "the new york times," even though it is the best newspaper in america. i don't trust any newspaper. i don't trust any news organization. no news organization should ever ask for your trust. i can rely on "the new york times" or any news report anywhere only to the degree that those reports contain verifiable information. now, i have more experience sorting fact from fiction in killings by police than most people working at "the new york times." i wrote a book about police use of deadly force 30 years ago. in fact, i wrote the first op-ed piece about police use of deadly force that "the new york times" ever printed. in 30 years of studying the "new
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york times" coverage of these cases, i have never been critical of their work until yesterday. one of the things that is striking about this case so far is that the witness accounts do not differ sharply. all the reported witness accounts, mostly agree on all of the crucial points. that is very unusual. i would have expected by now that there could be witness accounts that differ sharply. it is not a sharp difference when one says altercation and one says wrestling and one says punches. that is not a sharp difference. there usually are sharp differences in eyewitness testimony. all eyewitnesss see things differently, and it doesn't mean that one is lying and the other isn't. it means as they're going through the shock of witnessing such an event, they see and hear and witness things differently.
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sometimes slightly differently, sometimes sharply differently. i am still expecting some sharp differences to emerge among eyewitnesss. and when they do, we'll analyze those differences on this program. but those sharp differences have not emerged anywhere yet. and "new york times" editor james dow allowing the line "witness accounts differ sharply" to appear in his newspaper yesterday with absolutely no supporting evidence that any eyewitness accounts differ sharply is not good enough for me, because i don't trust "the new york times" and the public editor of "the new york times" doesn't trust "the new york times," either. which is why she has a job. her job is to evaluate questionable reporting in "the new york times." and "the new york times" being a fundamentally responsible news organization knows it needs a cop inside "the new york times"
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that's the scene in the streets of ferguson, missouri tonight. protesting remains peaceful. chris hayes is up next. bad guys. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with the latest danger from are the islamic terrorists. the readiness of thousands born and raised in the west to join their jihadist ranks. these aren't young idealists who go to join the peace corps or old souls to bury heartbreak in the foreign legion. drawn to fighting and killing they are acting out a birt murderous ambition to fight and kill alongside those from the mideast region, syria, iraq and other countries who comprised a great number of isis zealots. one killer from the west is heard in the moment before he cut it is at


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