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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ >> i guess the worst part about gangs is paranoia. it's like a virus. former gang members attempt to leave deadly rivalries behind. but for some, the past is anything but resolved. >> take this pain away. >> the men in another housing unit deal with a completely different set of issues. >> you have your masculines that
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are more manly looking. >> are you masculine or fem? >> then you have your fems. we act like girls. >> keep the feminines to the fem side and the masculine to the masculine. we don't let them intertwine. you are asking for problems. >> a surprise contraband raid turns one housing unit upside down. >> inmates are crafty and thousand of places where narcotics can be hidden within the units. >> any one accused of a crime in san antonio will most likely pass through the bexar county jail.
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>> got to spread out on the wall right here. remove your shoes and socks and put them on the floor behind you. >> some will make bond and leave, but on any given day, 3,500 men and women are waiting. deciding in which of the housing unit to place each inmate is a complex process known as classification. >> every inmate that comes into our facility is interviewed by a classification officer so. our class officer, train and tripe to figure out where do we house this person where we will have the least amount of problems. so looking for things like is he mentally ill? does he have any medical issues? >> any problem with seizures? >> no, ma'am. >> suicidal? >> no, ma'am. >> gong related? >> no, ma'am. >> homosexual? >> no, ma'am. >> if they confirm him as a gang member, the next question is, is he a threat?
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>> where did you get it? . >> /* when? >> two years ago. the most common way to identify a gang member is through self-admission. simply by asking. >> the violence comes in when rival gang members meet up with each other. so we go out of our way to keep them separated. unfortunately, that's, as hard as we try some times, we don't catch all of them. some times we will put them in the wrong place. that's typically when the fights erupt. >> code 2! >> this was the scene following a riot in which inmates from the mexican mafia fought with members of their archrivals. >> code 2! >> next person will be tased. >> sometimes they slip through our fingers. you know, gangs are, roots of opportunity. they're going to group together.
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once they see their numbers are large enough they become very territorial. from there it tend to develop into a dangerous situation. >> while rival gangs can pose a threat to each other. they often reserve their harshest punishment for members who drop now the into the jail's protective custody program. >> almost all gangs believe there is one way in and one way out of their gang. that is through violence. we tell any ex-member of any prison gang, your life is in danger. there is somebody out to get you. it is going to happen. that's the way it goes. those are the rules. you are in it for life. or you are dead. >> because of threats he faces for leaving the mexican mafia yeah, victor asked that we only use his first name. he is housed in a unit made up entirely of inmates who have chosen to leave their gangs. >> i guess the worse with part about gangs is paranoia. it's like a virus.
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it invades. a lot of times people hear things that weren't said and see things that didn't really happen. the end are result a lot of people died. i just tired of all the lies, you know, all of the backstabbing, all of the politics, paranoia. i just got tired of it. >> victor joined the mexican mafia while serving a prior 23-year prison sentence for kidnapping and aggravated assault. a recent parole violation, landed him back in jail. he has adopted a fatherly role with some of the younger ex-gang members in his unit. >> you want to do it in the right way, legal way. >> i'm too old. >>. >>. >> can't be going to prison at this age. >> among those victor counsels is johnny robles, charged with attempted capital murder and theft. he pled not guilty and is awaiting trial.
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>> you have to get to the point where you have to make a decision, is in the type of life that i want? >> i have to first of all be -- willing to -- change my life, you know what i mean? >> robles joined the gang during a prior stay at another texas jail. >> i didn't like the idea of them trying to run my life. i feel like a puppet. i told them i wanted to get out of the gang. i was coming back from eating dinner. before i knew it i had two guys. one hit me on one side. the other one hit me on the other side. they went to punch me, hitting me, kicking me. i woke up the next day and i was in the hospital. and not knowing what else they did to me and what they did to me. i am glad that i finally got out. no one telling me who i can and cannot talk to.
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>> amen. >> amen. >> while the ex-gang unit might seem like an island of tranquility, that is not always the case. inmate tim gaffney has been in the unit for 2 1/2 years and still doesn't take any chances. >> my eyes are red because i don't ever close my eyes in the shower. that's the golden rule. when you shower you keep your eyes open, your back against the wall. that way you can see who comes and goes because bad things happen in the shower. ♪ >> gaffney, pled not guilty to capital murder and is awaiting trial, a former member of the white supremacist gang, the aryan brotherhood. >> i climbed the ranks pretty quickly. you don't ever know who wants to kill you for your position. i have done a lot of things. none i'm proud of any of it. and but when i was young, i
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thought that was the norm. i got wrapped up in prostitution, drug ring, guns, the fast money, and -- and before i knew it my life was just a downhill spiral. one thing led to another. next thing i know i am on drugs. >> gaffney says he was drawn to the aryan brotherhood because they shared a foundation. >> i grew up with the hate, hate in my home, of black people, black people, black people. that's all i knew. and seeing that growing up, i thought, hey, man's what we are supposed to be like. well instead of turning to the kkks, i turned to the aryan brotherhood. i look at it like if you are going to do something with a hood over your face, no sense in doing it. stand up for what you believe in. >> coming up -- >> it is one of our interview questions when they first come in. we will ask them are you a homosexual. >> life inside another one of bexar county's specialized housing units.
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>> san antonio's bexar county jail houses 3,500 men and women. there are separate housing units for active and ex-gang members. but that is just the start. the jail also attempts to identify and segregate gay inmates in their own housing units. >> it is one of our interview questions when they first come in, we ask them are you currently a homosexual. if they say yes, we have to give them an option to house in the homosexual unit for safety and security. >> within the homosexual unit, if they feel they cannot house in general population, they have the right to go to the h homosexual unt unit. >> are you masculine or are you fem? >> i'm gay. i'm gay. >> okay.
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not me, honey, i am fem. >> you have your masculines are more manly, butch, straight acting, straight looking. >> what's really going on? >> then you have your fems that are, you know, some of them take hormones so they act like girls. >> they live their life as women in the world, transsexuals, drag queens. they are walking around with bras, thongs, things in their hair, being real dramatic, loud. 80% of the fights are the femmes. [ bleep ] [ bleep ].
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>> though eloy is housed with the masculine group he was once housed as feminine at an earlier stay at bexar county. >> this time around i butched up, and said i was masculine. they put me in the masculine group. i don't want to beep with drama queens and girls. i'm trying to be with the mass -- masculine group with the boys. >> starting at age 16, orosco has been in and out of the bexar county jail. he was recently convicted for burglary and is back now after violating parole. orosco believes his experience in jail has the made him a leader in his unit. >> a lot of people look up to me and come to me for advice. they know i am in and out of the system. in some cases emotions get lost. as far as in the system. maybe you ought to try to go back to the library and get another motion. do that again. nothing goes down without me knowing. if there is an altercation. they will come and talk to me about it. hey this person did this. they will see my reaction to it. >> while the feminine and masculine inmates are some times
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housed in the same unit they're not allowed out of their cells at the same time in order to prevent sexual activity. >> if they put us altogether. you are going to have guys having sex with femmes. >> officers acknowledge there are more attempts at sexual activity in this unit than others but say they usually stop it before it occurs. >> we keep a pretty good eye on that kind of stuff. the officers are required to do rounds and checks and specifically in those units, officers know, the game has that they try to play. we have had incidents in the showers and stuff like that. but those are dealt with and charged with it. we try to keep the feminines, to the femme side and masculine to the masculine and we don't let them intertwine because you are asking for problems. >> in most other housing units. inmates are given anywhere from six to eight hours daily to spend in the day room or recreation areas. since the homosexual unit only
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allows the feminine or masculine groups out at once, they spend half as much time outside their cells as the other inmates. an unhappy circumstance for most of them. >> i want to start out with a simple braided necklace if you will. >> he draws on his creativity to deal with monotony of long hours in a small cell. he makes fashion accessories he sells for commissary snack. >> so you take your three, three strings, you tie one end of it. just, peel off a piece of paint. and the long string. one of the strings is covered with that paint. i sit down and put it in between my toes. make necklaces you, can make belts, you can make little rings. some of the girls really like it when, when i say girls, i don't mean actually girls, but they prefer to be called girls. which boggles my mind. but to each their own, i suppose.
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>> rhodes was awaiting an extradition charge to illinois on brianry charge on which he plans to plead not guilty and is grouped with the masculine inmates. >> i am a man that wants to beep with another man. i don't want a girl. if i wanted a girl. i would be straight. but i am also, i won't date a guy that is taller than me. i won't date a guy that is bigger than me. i am more of the masculine man. >> rhode has been teaching his inmate, the finer points of chess, a creative challenge considering they don't have a chess set in their cell. >> we need to make some more squares. i ripped them up. now, if you look, at the scoreboard.
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my name is joey. his is kyle. 4-1. one stalemate. beauchamp pled not guilty to shoplifting and violating his parole. represent the third kind of inmate housed in the unit. >> he is actually a straight guy. he is straight. he's not gay at all. >> during his interview process for his housing he said he was homosexual. he was housed in the homosexual unit, upon his request. every inmate, signs a form, requesting homosexual unit. under their own free will. some straight men look to the homosexual unit as a safe harbor compared to the predatory environment found many other units. >> i had one or two gay men tell me go to the gay pod. you will be taken care of. i have had other guys in there write me, like show me, show me your penis and all this stuff like that. i am like, okay, whoa, back up. i'm not like that. little do they know that i am straight.
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bexar county don't really care. >> beauchamp says most inmates have been respectful of his sexuality. >> very flamboyant. come up to me and give me a massage. he wouldn't go too far. he knew i was straight. >> a lot of people were saying there was something going on between me and him. i could have messed around with him if i wanted to. of course you get a straight guy walking in the door, everybody is saying, well nobody has had him. i want him. i want to be the first. >> but these days, eloy orosco has bigger concerns than jail house relationships. he recently violated his parole after testing positive for drugs and threatening his sister in law with violence. >> i told her i was going to beat her up. i become a little bit violent speaking once pills and drugs and alcohol take place. i think i am superman. she called the police and said that i was going to hurt her and wouldn't stop until i got her. so they got me for a terroristic
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threat. i will have a hearing, they will decide to send me become to prison or parole. >> orosco is entitled to make the case in the hearing. but his sister in law is invited to testify. >> if my sister-in-law shows up. i am guilty. i am a repeat offender and incarcerated so many tiles. my word is really not -- not trustworthy. with my sister in law. you never know. she is unpredictable. so with my luck she will show. and i will go become to prison. i guess i leave it in god's hand and see what happens. >> coming up -- >> was anyone subpoenaed to be here for the hearing today? >> eloy find out if his sister in law will testify against him. but first -- >> it was supposed to be a temporary thing. i didn't know that was supposed to be a permanent thing. >> a young man joins a dangerous gang and now faces the possibility of life in prison. they think salmon and energy.
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with an ever-increasing number of dangerous gang members joining their inmate population, officials at san antonio's bexar county jail make every effort to not house rivals in the same unit. but in one section of the jail, old enemies made peace. >> just have to think positive. hope everything goes okay. >> a former member of the gang, has found a sympathetic friend in victor, a former member of the rival mexican mafia gang. both men have dropped out of the gangs and are housed in the ex-members unit. >> it feels reality hasn't hit yet. >> robles, charged with attempted capital murder has been devastated by the recent death of his 3-year-old daughter. >> i ended up losing my daughter in a crime scene. i loved her very much. she was so beautiful. she was always so beautiful.
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i don't think no one can ever take the pain away. i try to do other things so my mind won't think about it. you didn't hatch no control over yourself. >> doesn't matter how much you try to push it out of your mind. it is always there. when you hold your feelings in, sometimes it is even worse. because you implode. you know. people trust me. they come to me for advice. i just try off to help them, you know. it doesn't matter, if they're ex-mexican mafia members. i help all of them the same way. >> now, i talk about her. it just hurts me. you know. >> it hurts you. it is good to talk about it though. you let your, your feelings, your emotions out. it's better, you know, than to leave them inside where they hurt you more. when i see them, i see myself
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because they will be me in years to come. but i know i gave them advice that nobody gave me. >> maybe with this tragedy in the future, you can make better decisions, you know, regarding your children, or what have you. you snow get to a pin the where you have got to make a decision? is this the type of life i want. or do i want to stay out there and do something for my family, >> for some it could be too late for meaningful change but the jail has seen a change toward young er inmates who request refuge in the ex-gang unit. steven is a new arrival. he joined a branch of the mexican mafia on the streets at age 17. >> i have actually never been in trouble before. never had a ticket. i never harmed people at all. i have never even been in a fight before. ♪
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my favorite game was legend of zelda. they came out with the skyward sword. i played it since the beginning. >> vogt says he comes from a good home, but was talked in to joining the mexican mafia by a friend. he says the was presented as a we to earn money by selling marijuana. >> easy money. i can make $500 in a day. >> vogt says his involvement in the gang led to his current charge of capital murder. he pled not guilty and says he was only supposed to be the lookout for a gang ordered robbery that went wrong. >> it was a stabbing. my co-defendant was the one who had the knife. so it was something that he was only, supposed to scare him with. but he ended up using it violently against him. >> you got my letters? i just miss you. >> my mom never knew anything. and to this day i feel terrible for that. >> i don't know. just been depressed lately. >> i did something. it made my mom feel so terrible. she visits. writes me. she makes me feel loved. she makes me feel loved.
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that's what i love her about. >> my lawyer filed a new motion for reconsideration. >> if vogt is found guilty of capital murder, his sentence is automatic. life in prison without parole. a fate already handed down to his co-defendant in the case. vogt clings to the hope that his lawyer can have the charge reduced. >> it was only supposed to be a temporary thing. i didn't know that it was supposed to be like a permanent thing. >> coming up -- >> facing the back wall. >> staff conducts a surprise contraband. >> you are not allowed to advertise homosexuality activities. if frustration and paperwork decrease...
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unless israeli troops leave the territory. mostly 1,000 gazans have died in the last 40 days. 45 israelis, mostly soldiers have been killed over the same time. a u.s. doctor tested positive for ebola. dr. bradley was working with in liberia. he is being treated for the deadly disease. now back to "lock up". due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. for some inmates at san antonio's bexar county jail, one day can roll into the next with very little change. but today in one of the low security dormitory units, the monotony will be broken. the special emergency response team, floods in the door and orders all inmates to their bunks.
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>> on your stomachs facing the back wall. hand behind your back. stlz no talking. bunks 41 to 40. get up and go out to the brickyard. single file. >> we search for contraband. drugs. weapons. anything that has been altered from its original form. anything that, they're not supposed to have in their possession. the inmates are directed to sit down in the dorm's enclosed rec yard. the s.e.r.t. team will hold them there as officers conduct a thorough search for contraband. first a drug detection dog is brought tune sniff out narcotics. >> inmates are very crafty. there are thousand of places where narcotics can be hidden within the units. and they have found drugs in peanut butter, in mattresses, inmates are here, 24 hours a day. they have plenty of time to think where to hide stuff. >> this time, the dog doesn't discover any drugs among the inmates' possessions. but she does find a pack of imitation narcotics put there by
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her handler. >> canines are look small kids. they need positive reinforcement. i will plant a synthetic narcotic, she gets her reward. >> officers begin their search of the bunks, meticulously inspecting every item they find. illegal substances or weapons can result in inmates getting time in segregation or even new criminal charges. but anything altered from its original purpose is also considered contraband. and will be disposed of. even this inmate art created from food wrappers is considered contraband. >> they get very creative. these are all out of bags of chips. >> once the search is over, the inmates are ordered to lie down on their bunks for further instructions. >> if you've have contraband. it is in the trash. everything else, check with your bunky. check up here in the front i you have anything missing. do you understand? >> yes, ma'am.
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>> well i have been here since april. i have been down to the shakedown every month. and mess up everything. but, a choice you got to make when you go in jail. >> there is a shake-up of another sort in the homosexual unit. the inmates are on the move. >> we move inmates out of these units often so we can do unit repairs. they will be relocated to another unit while that is being done. >> put your stuff behind your back and your hand on the wall. >> the inmates carry their possessions inside sheets. before they're allowed off to enter the new unit. officers conduct a shakedown for contraband. >> the more contraband i find. the more i'm going to throw out. >> finally the inmates are taken to a unit, all most identical to the one they left. but one of them has decided his time in the unit is up. >> hey, you, just stand there for me. kyle beauchamp says he is
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straight but requested to be housed with homosexuals when he was first booked into the jail. older inmates told him with his green hair it would be safer than general population. >> a lot of times some of the convicts will mess with the young ones. you will see how naive they are. tell them stuff like when you talk to the officer make sure you tell them you want this, this, this. messing with them. and they do it. then they realize they got played. >> all right, you called me earlier about your request to go to general population. he addressed to me he didn't understand what the homosexual unit was. didn't know what he was signing up for. that he very adamantly didn't want to be in there. >> still when an inmate requests a transfer out of the homosexual unit the jail requires he understand what is expected. your signature, requesting of my own free will. i'm not coerced. i'm not going to demonstrate any behavior that will get me in trouble in general population.
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you are not allowed to advertise any homosexual tendencies or induce others to commit or participate in these activities. do you understand sign for me right there. >> he requested to move to a trustee pod, a housing unit for inmate workers. though they're not paid. there are other benefits to be had. more time out of their cells and extra food. >> the trustee would get two trays at the end of their work period. >> is that your main motivation? >> that is my main motivation for being in trustee pod. >> but eloy orosco need not worry about getting an inmate job for extra food. >> yes, you are excited. >> he is able to purchase more than enough snacks from the jail commissary to quell his appetite. >> three instant coffees. orosco pays for commissary from money put on his books, a debit account, funded by family members.
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including the one person who mom whom he feels closest. >> my biggest thing is my mom. she says i am her child regardless. she has never, neglected me or said, i don't want you to be gay. >> that's everything. >> but she has always kept that in my head that -- you know it is not right. you know the way you are living is not right. and you know it is not godly. and you know that in then, you are going to pay for it. >> deep inside i know it is true. i know it is not right. but, do i think that i will go to heaven when i pass away. part of me wants to believe it. the other part of me knows it is probably not going to happen. >> orosco will soon face another sort of judgment day. he is scheduled for a parole hearing on the infractions that returned him to jail. a positive drug test. allegedly threatening to harm his sister in law, resulting in a charge of making terroristic threats.
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>> some of the evidence they have against me for a lot of messages that i sent to her on facebook. >> are you a violent person? >> i sure am not. i really am, i guess you can say drugs really took me there. >> orosco faces three possible outcomes from the hearing -- reinstatement of his parole allowing him to go home, a return to prison for up to 2 1/2 more years, or something in between. he could be sent to an intermediate sanction facility or isf, a halfway house which holds parole violators in custody, but allows them to work at outside jobs. >> it is another form of a prison. they do a lot of counseling there. they have classes. i'm thinking that's where i will go. hopefully not. i'm trying to get reinstated because they're playing with my life here. >> coming up -- >> i am never going home again. that's what they're telling me. they may put me to death. i got a lot to think about. this place is a think-tank. >> tim gaffney and ex-gang
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starts as low as $129 a year. for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. >> violence has in one way or another impacted the lives of every inmate inside the bexar county jail's ex-gang unit. but now man of these men say by dropping out of their gangs, they have taken the first step towards new lives. >> prayer call, prayer call. >> prayer call! >> we have prayer circle. how it come about. one guy had some problems. he was going to court and this and that so he decided to have prayer. it escalated from there. and we got, 10, 12, 15, some
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times 20 people in there. >> heavenly brother we come, give you thanks, fatherly god. >> we get up with the special question we are lifted up. >> ask that he watches over our family, everybody's family. >> bless our brothers in the circle. sisters in and out of the circle. please take care of my two daughters, everyone's kids, family. >> glad that i woke up able to see this day. >> tim gaffney is a former member of the aryan brotherhood. >> bible studies. not out there. but we do it individually. but i am never going home again. that's what they're telling me. they may put me to death. i got a lot to think about. this place is a think-tank. you can sit out there and be tough with the fellows all you want. when you lay your head down at night that's when the torture comes in. >> read the word. reading novels, books i read right here. i would probably just go ballistic.
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>> gaffney as it waiting trial for capital murder. >> they say i stabbed a man to death. and stabbed that person 11 times. >> he says the night he was arrested he mixed alcohol with powerful prescription medication and the rest is a blur. >> when i woke up and the medication wore off, when i found out what i was, i charged with, i was totally shocked. they're saying that i went to work and came home and went down the street to somebody i never met and slaughtered him to death. i would look to think that i am a better person than that. i have done some crazy stuff. but i don't believe i am a murderer. >> he has capital murder too. i talk to him. he talks to me. >> gaffney has become friend with steven vogt, vogt is also awaiting trial for capital murder. >> i like him. when he came in he was real skinny. he was like a little puppy
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without his mama. >> she was my girlfriend but is my ex girlfriend. >> she's at college? >> yeah. >> trying to study to be a music teacher. >> i have seen people like him before. i know his situation. he got caught up in something that he never should have got up in. running with the wrong crowd. he was a follower. he is a good kid. but he is good as gold. >> i ain't got nothing. >> gaffney pushed aside his white supremacist views to learn spanish from vote. >> once in a while we will get, white people, ex-aryan brotherhood. >> this is a culture shock. everyone speaks spanish around here. [ speaking foreign language ] >> i am the third wheel. i am lost. >> he is teaching me spanish, but doing no good. if i don't know what he is talking about. you know it is like, what is this in spanish? >> that's the same thing.
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>> oh, uno. is that what it is? >> yeah. >> ha-ha-ha. >> shows you how much i know. >> only time can tell, a permanent or sincere, the changes claimed by those in the ex-gang unit who will be here. kyle beauchamp, experienced undeniable changes in his stay at bexar county. he is now a trustee or inmate order. >> i have been working laundry for a week now. work 9:45, 10:00 until when we are done. 6:00 in the morning. 7:00 in the morning. one of the benefits working laundry, coming out of the pod. eight, nine hours on end. also we work for food. we get two trays in the morning. two trays in the morning is a lot better than one tray in the morning. we get it first. we get it hot. that is always a plus. >> beauchamp has a new hair style and considerably more noticeable than the one that prompted him to request housing in the homosexual unit for
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safety. >> i got one of my friend in the pod to cut my hair. i was getting a little hot during the dryer work. i like it a lot. it keeps me cool. change has come to cellmate joey rhodes. he has received permission to transfer to an all straight, male, general population dorm. >> i quested to be moved out of the first police i was in. only because i had stalkers. and got a little hectic there. it wasn't what i was really expecting out of all of that. i was going there to, say, hey maybe i will have more in common with these people. maybe i will find better friend. every day i was getting two, three people coming to my window trying to get me to expose myself to them. and every time i would go take a shower. i would get people coming in sitting on the benches just watching me. i was like, hello? it's kind of scary. i am not going to lie. finally i talked to classification, they moved me out of there. i am in a great new pod. there is a lot of cool people here.
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a lot of cool new friends. it's interesting. >> while rhodes must keep his homosexuality under wraps, for general population, meet at least a few inmates willing to share their opinions. >> i will be straight up. i do have friends that live that lifestyle. i don't judge them. god accepts everybody. it comes down to the fact that it is wrong. >> i kind of keep things to myself which is what they instructed me to do. but i am sure there is gay people in the same unit that i am in. and i know that. >> what if it wasn't the desires. what if they fell in love with another person? >> i said, i am not saying i hated. >> we are not saying you hate them. it's just your beliefs, your feelings. >> i am not saying it was wrong. that's what i was raised. >> that's how i was raised. >> me, i am attracted to both. >> i told you. >> it's not even about sex at all. it is basically about how i feel about a person. >> i understand that. >> when i came here, it was a negative thought. maybe this kid is gay. then you told me i am bisexual.
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okay, you look both. >> i might be a little nervous about it. i might be shy and bashful. i am not afraid they will hurt me. i don't think they would hurt me. i kind of. i kind of welcome it. i like the attention. so if they did find out -- i mean they're not going to do nothing about it. >> in fact, rhodes found some of his conversations on the topic have taken surprising turns. >> look i told you when i was 11 years old. i got real depressed because i felt like i started becoming that way. started becoming gay. i told my sister i think i am turning gay. they said what is wrong with you. when you see a girl how do you feel? >> it makes me hot. >> how can you be gay if you have feelings for girls. i grabbed the bible. i kept reading. it told me it was wrong. and i said god, change my mind. when you see the pretty guard, you know what i am talking about, you know some of their names too, some of the guard come in our pod. when you see them.
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>> all right. all right. >> because the fact you are in jail. haven't seen women in how long. when you see one walk in your pod, you get happy inside. >> no, not really. >> i do. >> that's you. >> we are born different. >> so far this place seemed a lot more laid back. i feel a lot more comfortable with whom i am. i kind of let them know, i am, i am gay. and they seemed to be perfectly okay with that. i thought this jail would be better if they didn't segregate people the way that they do. >> we all agree? >> all agree. >> coming up. >> the first allegation, has terroristic threats of family, household. do you admit or deny the allegation? >> deny. >> eloy tries to convince the parole board to set him free. and belly pain feel like a knot. how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can't go, it's like bricks piling up. i wish i could find some relief.
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>> yes, sir. >> you ready? >> yeah. >> it is a day of reckoning for eloy orosco. >> a big day for me. i am really nervous. >> he is on his way to a parole hearing. orosco could have his parole reinstated and go home or be sent to prison for 2 1/2 more years to complete his sentence for burglary. he could be sent to an intermediate sanction facility or i.f.s., a halfway house for parole violators. orosco's parole violations include a fail drug test, and allegations by his sister-in-law he made terroristic threats against her. she has been invited to testify at the hearing. if she shows up, orosco fears he will return to prison. >> i am a repeat offender. my word isn't taken into consideration. if she shows, i am guilty. she is married to my brother.
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she has the rest of her life being married to my brother, to face my family. >> he worries if his mother attends the hearing she will find out about his failed drug test. >> i haven't been straight up with my mom. as far as coming up dirty. because i just hate to break her heart. >> have a seat. >> the hearing is a tended by orosco's parole officer and run by edna corales. >> was anyone subpoenaed to be here for the hearing today? >> offender's mother is here. she speaks only spanish. i tried to get the complainant to be here. her testimony is important. she has not made it. i assume she will not make it. she stated she was afraid of the threats that had been made according to her. >> orosco caught a break in that his sister in law is not here to testify against him. he must still defend against her allegations. >> do you admit or deny the allegations?
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>> do i have problems with her in the past, yes. to the extent that i would hurt her, no. threaten her no. did i confront her about it. yes. never did i say i was going to hurt her family or house or anything like that. >> next allegation, failure to abstain from use of drugs, narcotics or controlled substances, admit or deny? >> admit. i went out to a party took some pills. they were ecstasy pills and i ended up coming up dirty for methamphetamines. i do recognize when i was wrong. i was wrong as far as using pills. but you have to take into consideration that, before i was incarcerated i was doing a whole different level of drugs, i was real bad out there, shooting up. >> you said you were making an effort that you were also doing drugs and you were breaking the law. whether you are on parole or not on parole, using illegal drugs is against the law. >> now, the mom is able to speak english? >> no. >> none at all.
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>> her friend, who is knowledgeable about mr. eloy's character is going to testify on his behalf. >> okay. >> good morning. come on in. have a seat. >> my mom's boyfriend has never really been okay with me or on good terms with me. he feels that i am a spoiled brat. that i am a drug addict and this and that. i don't know. we will see what happens. >> why should the parole board give him another chance to finish these last few months he has left on parole. >> he got out, and he went to work, first time that i know he had a good job. they let him open the cafe, let him use the cash register, and more or less was like a general manager of the place. if he stumbled again, they put him back in. give him a chance to stumble. >> the way he defended me today it showed me that i guess he is on good terms with me now. which i was surprised.
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>> all right, sir. >> hope everything goes well for you. >> while many things went his way during the parole hearing, >> i'm very happy that my mother the end result is not what orosco hoped for. >> what the parole office recommended isf. >> rather than reinstate the parole, the board decided to send him to a halfway house that provide drug counseling to parole violators for six months to one year. the hearing did however allow orosco to continue an important illusion. >> i am very happy that my mother didn't find out today that i was using pills. that will break her heart. she just wants to believe that i am doing good.
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>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> 1025, respond to the area. >> members of the jail's most predatory gang set their sites on vulnerable prey. >> the jail officials are determined to show who is in charge. >> this is my jail, ain't nobody in here want nothing in here but me. >> smeared feces all over his body and the walls and doors.

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