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miami on monday. looking forward to it. that's the ed show, i'm ed schultz, "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thank you, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, a new gop attack from an old republican hack. today, the right wing is trying to link one of the worst events in american history, hurricane katrina, to president obama trying to help millions of people. and as the president met with insurance executives to continue to fix the health carolout, former vice president china was playing ugly. >> we look at the mess that has been created out of obama care, by the president having said you can keep your policy if you like it, guaranteed, period. that turns out that was a lie. and he repeated it over and over and over again. >> can he kidding?
are we all getting pumped? yes. that is dick cheney. that dick cheney. the man who led the charge to go to war in iraq over weapons of mass destruction that they still haven't found. it's like rand paul slamming someone for plagiarism. or like, i don't know, mitt romney slamming the health care law he helped write and calling the president dishonest. oh, wait a minute, that actually happened today. >> the real problem with the president's plan is not just the rollout. that's implementation, and glitches of various kinds. it should have been done better, but it wasn't. but the real problem that the president has is a broken promise. is dishonesty. >> you can't make this stuff up. but it's all part of the right-wing plan to do everything they can to make this obama care rollout president obama's hurricane katrina. why?
because it was the event, along with the iraq fiasco, that doomed the bush presidency. today, a former bush official said, quote, the echoes to the fall of 2005 are really eerie. katrina matches to the rollout of the website. another said this -- >> there are moments in a presidency where everything is different afterward. and i believe this is that moment. for us it was hurricane katrina. >> they're comparing an american disaster to obama care. a disaster that took over 1900 lives, and displaced more than 400,000, to a law designed to literally save lives. yes, there are problems. and the president is working to fix them. but this law is already helping people. 396,000 new medicaid enrollees.
more than 6 million seniors have been saved. 7 billion dollars on prescription drugs. and 71 million have gotten free, preventive care. so, no, dick cheney, no, to mitt romney, and no to the bushies, and no republicans trying to compare this to katrina is wrong. but you're doing a heck of a bad job trying to distort this issue. joining me now, congresswoman karen bass and msnbc's melissa harris-perry. thank you both for being here. >> absolutely. >> thanks for having us. >> congresswoman, comparing obama care to katrina? i mean, are they joking? >> well, you know, i just think it's really sad. i mean you mentioned just a second ago close to 1900 people died. i don't know how you can compare a disaster where people died to a rollout of health care and the other thing we have to remember now. this is the seventh time the
republicans have looked at something that happened in the obama administration to compare it to katrina. so it is becoming one of their rituals. just like we voted 48-plus time s against the repeal of health care reform now every other day they're going to be calling everything katrina. this is their seventh time they've called something katrina. >> you know, melissa, you live in new orleans. >> yep. >> you lived through cat rinna. your mom is in new orleans. to compare this, katrina was about a president, when people were suffering on live television, that didn't come in. they're comparing it to a president that saw people suffering thad tried to do something and is trying to do something about it. it is absolutely outrageous. >> yeah, i mean, look, here is the comparison that works. hurricane katrina is like gop resistance to obama care. and here is how. in the context of a hurricane katrina disaster there was a disaster, a natural disaster
caused by weather, and storms, and wind surges. >> and levees. >> right. but the big issue were the federal levee failure. which was a failure brought on by a lack of investment in particularly poor and black communities. >> right. >> and then even after that structural failure, a failure on the part of the federal government to use the resources and capacity that it had to save poor people, old people, and people of color. that's what the katrina disaster is beyond the storm. in this case, the gop resistance to health care reform is similarly creating a faulty levee system in our health care. creating a circumstance where our underinvestment makes everyone vulnerable. and in the midst of a disaster that is brewing, a refusal of the federal government to go in and help, once again, poor people. the elderly. and people of color. so on that, they're right, it is -- >> they're right about the
analogy, congresswoman, they're just wrong about who's the one that is doing the damage in the analogy, and that would be them, not the president. >> absolutely. and i think that that was a bring yant analysis. and one thing that i'd like to add to that is the fact that you have the outside organizations that have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to completely confuse people. >> yes. >> so it's adding to exactly what melissa was saying. >> and are continuing to raise money. >> absolutely. >> and then let me go back to what i was raising earlier, when we opened the show, congresswoman, former vice president dick cheney, now he's talked about the present president, and he's attacking him on obama care. but let's watch how he reflects about mistakes in his own past. >> what do you consider your main fault? >> my main fault.
well, i don't spend a lot of time thinking about my faults, i guess would be the answer. >> he didn't think a lot about his own faults. what's amazing to me about this answer, and about this dick cheney and this katrina talking point it appears that's being used by republicans, is that, one, cheney doesn't admit to doing anything wrong, but he can attack this president. and, two, they're comparing it to katrina, when until this morning they were denying katrina was a mistake of the bush administration. >> well, exactly. and i think that this is an effort to try to rewrite history. i mean, now that cheney is back on the scene, he wants to cover up from some of the absolute manmade disasters that he led in his administration. but you know, you're really talking about a disaster that waits in terms of health care reform. the fact that my republican colleagues are so obsessed about denying health care to
americans, so that here we are, the richest country on the planet, in the history of the world, and we have finally achieved a level of development that we are prepared to provide health care, and they want to stop that from happening? and they are wishing for the demise of the obama administration so that every other day they have something else to call katrina. you know, it is also minimizing what happened in katrina. >> absolutely. >> so you are going to talk about a miscomparison. you're going to use it seven different times, you are minimizing the death of close to 1900 people. >> but you also have this, melissa, when you look at a guy like china, talking about he doesn't think about his mistakes, you contrast that to a president, barack obama, coming in front of the american public yesterday and admitting mistakes, and asking to be forgiven and saying, now let's really not lose sight of the goal, and let's make this goal achievable. shows you a difference in presidencies, and/or vice
presidents. >> you and i talked about this before, one of the things i respect so much about this president and the way that he is conducting himself and the presidency is the willingness to actually govern, even when folks are trying to get him on something. so the great example is the syria red line. and he says, okay, maybe i said that. but the real question here is whether it is in our interests. and even in the interests of the syrian people for us to intervene. so whatever i said you're going to have to live with that. we're going to actually assess here. but i will say that there is still a part of me at this moment who, i'm deeply concerned with the number of democrats who do seem to be abandoning the president, and any extent to which the administration gives on this. and it's only to this. part of the reason the necessity of the shutdown was the recognition that the republican opposition is not there because it wants to fix obama care. >> right. >> it's not there because it wants the aca rollout to be better and smoother. it's not there because they want the website to work. it is there because they want to destroy the affordable care act.
and so there's a part of me that thinks, you know, i'm with you. that's one of the things i greatly respect about this president. but on the other hand i also just sort of feel like you have to say to these people as you said in your intro, no, no, no. no. >> and i think that the point becomes that, because i think to give anything on this is to act as though we're wrong about ensuring the people. >> yes. >> the goal, the end goal, is where you're trying to go. not those distractions, and/or flaws or bumps on the road. and to bring that point home, congresswoman, you've got right wingers rushing to say that obama care is the death knell. not only of obama, but of liberals. today, obama care is unraveling with catastrophically undermine their underlying ideology of ever expansive central government providing cradle to grave care for an ever grateful
citizenry. they're trying to turn back the whole movement of government being accountable and responsible to help its citizens. so any democrat that cosigns this is suspect, to me. >> well, and i think that's wishful thinking on his part. which really gets at what this whole thing is about. so, for example, the bill that was on the floor today, the upton bill, really talking about you can keep your own insurance. actually what is a complete undermining of the affordable care act. >> exactly. >> because it allows the insurance industry to write new policies, and those policies essentially take the clock backwards, and say you can deny pre-existing conditions, you can bring back the cap, all of the things that the affordable care act is accomplishing, the upton bill would send it back. >> but making melissa's point and i'll let you quickly make another one, 39 democrats voted for that bill today, and we
should not get political amnesia. >> i just want to remind folks that even if you are hungry and you're thirsty and you really, really want to boy spoiled milk, we do not allow you in this country to buy spoiled milk. we have an fda that says once this milk is spoiled it is bad for you. what is what is going on with these health care plans. it's like saying okay, people are thirsty, let them drink the spoiled milk. we have to say no to has. >> congresswoman karen bass, melissa harris-perry, thank you for your time. both of you have a great weekend. one way to have a great weekend is catch melissa harris-perry weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, the right wing billionaire boys club caught red handed. ted cruz, the koch brothers, and their big money scheme. and we'll get to know the crew trying to impeach power attorney general. it's a nice try, but we're going to get them tonight. and the nfl player allegedly
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does the middle guy have a chance now in our big money system? that's a big question for our politics these days. and it's a big reason we talk so much about billionaires and their influence. over right wing politics and elections in this country. people like the koch brothers, and groups like karl rove's, that use big money to overwhelm voters and push their right wing ideas. today we have news about those secret connections between ultraconservative billionaires, and a rising star in the gop. we now know that senator ted cruz was a beneficiary of the cash flowing through koch brother organizations. in 2010, after cruz wrote a paper on how to defund the affordable care act, a koch-backed group provided his think tank with more than $65,000. and on issue after issue, ted
cruz sings from the big money playbook. >> we should abolish the irs. i believe passionately in the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. i'll do my best to keep fighting to rein in government. under no circumstances will i support a continuing resolution that funds even one penny of obama care. >> we're also learning more about how much secret money came from conservative groups in the last election cycle. karl rove's group, crossroads, gps, and american crossroads raked in a total of $325 million in 2012 alone. amazing. the koch brothers-backed group americans for prosperity, topped out about $190 million for the year. that money is used to back far right politicians who, in turn,
fought far right legislation they push, including such genius ideas as cutting taxes for corporations, blocking any increase in minimum wages. this is what they do. they sign the paychecks. but they might as well be writing their own laws. joining me now is e.j. dion of "the washington post." thanks for coming on the show. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> e.j., republicans are adamantly opposing an increase in the minimum wage while taking big money. >> in fact, when you think about the balance of forces in the congress, minimum wage workers do not have a lot of people out there giving big money on their behalf. and i think it's important to realize that while the labor movement, the union movement, does a lot with the money it has, its influence is now being dwarfed by this big money, this dark money, on the right.
and i think one way to look at what's happening to our political system, and the great journalist elizabeth drew wrote about this awhile back, is you really have got to kind of pincher movement here because the people have always been able, through their numbers, to outvote big money. and, in fact, crossroads lost a lot of those races and put money in in 2012. but if you've got the money on the one side, and then efforts to disenfranchise people on the other side, the people they are disenfranchising tend to be less well off people, they tend to be african-americans and latinos. so that if you've got this pressure from both sides then populist mochltds and people's movements that want things like the minimum wage are facing a bigger challenge than they've ever faced before. >> as you mens the minimum wage. they do not want to raise the minimum wage. take a look at this e.j., nine states have lower minimum wage than the federal level.
or have no minimum wage at all. but polls show raising the minimum wage is hugely popular. gallup found that 71% of americans support it. the american people overwhelmingly support raising the minimum wage. do you think republicans will change their mind on this as ee get closer to elections? >> well, i think they might change their mind on this if democrats and others make a big issue of it. i mean, there has been, in states that have referendum or initiative processes, the minimum wage is so popular that once you put it on the ballot, no matter how much money the other side spends against it, most americans think that people who work for a living have a right to something close to a living wage. certainly something better than a poverty wage. on a state by state level you can win if you can go directly to the ballot box. but i think this is one of those
issues that president obama signaled he's going to talk about it, but i hope he talks about it a lot more because it they make it a public issue only then can you really start putting pressure on people to vote for it. >> e.j. dionnene, thank you for your time tonight, have a great weekend. >> and great to be with you. thank you. coming up, they say no to everything president obama wants. so what exactly are the republicans for? and just who are the republicans now trying to impeach attorney general holder? wait until you see the esteemed resumes. we know what it's all about. and we've got them, next.
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him. with tired, old, debunk back doodle conspiracy theories like fast and furious and the irs. so why are these 20 right wingers doing this? why now? why eric holder? and just who is this esteemed list of representatives? let's start with ted yoho of florida. he's the guy who once said he would, quote, check in to president obama's birth certificate and called obama care, quote, racist for taxing tanning beds. then the voice of reason himself, he said obama care will quote, absolutely kill senior citizens. and said the muslim brotherhood was advising the obama administration. then, of course, steve stockman of texas. he famously invited the
offensive rodeo clown in a president obama mask to his state. and brought ted nugent to the state of the union. stay classy, steve. but the list wouldn't be complete without michele bachmann. who once called president obama anti-american, and claimed obama care was, quote, the crown jewel of socialism. so let's recap. we have birthers and impeachers. but enough of me talking. let's hear from them. shall we? >> we want all tools available to use, including that impeachment. >> are you a birther, then? >> i'm not going to comment on that. >> this administration has so many muslim brotherhood members, that have influence, that they just are making wrong decisions for america. >> let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women,
kills children, kills senior citizens. >> pathetic. pathetic. did they think we disthey're the all-star team of conspiracy theorists that would make glenn beck proud? do they think we don't know what this really is about? this isn't even close to a nice try. but impeach this one. we got you. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters. ♪ shhhh! i have a cold with this annoying runny nose.
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here it is. there's the plan, america. nothing. it's the seinfeld party. a party about absolutely nothing. no health plan. but let's repeal it. it's the right wing playback. block anything and everything president obama proposes, and it's not just health care. what's the latest on immigration reform? >> frankly, i'll make clear we have no intention of ever going in to conference on this senate bill. >> no intention of working on it. even though it's something good for the country. why because president obama wants it passed. what about employment nondiscrimination act? the bill that would make it illegal to fire workers just because they're gay. seems like a no brainer, right? president obama says congress needs to pass it, speaker
boehner, how's that looking? >> people are already protected in the workplace. i am -- i'm opposed to continuing this. >> not only is it wrong factually, it's just plain wrong. so why do they oppose it? because president obama is for it. that's why republicans block gun safety measures. that 90% of americans supported. and it's why 20 house members want to impeach attorney general eric holder. republicans can disagree with the president, that's how democracy works. but blocking everything he proposes, just to score political points, that's not democratic, that's a joke. joining me now are angela rye and maria teresa kumar. thank you both for being here. maria, there's no question there are problems with the health care law.
and the president's working on that. but how can they point fingers when they have no plan of their own, maria? >> well, it's not only they don't have any al anyives. they're also basically not reading their own playbook. they say they need to expand the republican party. how are they going about that? they promised they were going to reach out to latinos, reach out to gays, and reach out to women and in the last 30 days they said no to immigration, no to equal protection under the law in the workplace and reintroduced a 20-week abortion ban. i think not only is the party disarrayed they just realized they're completely disconnected with the american people. not only do they not have any alternatives they want to be a setting party. >> angela, rush limbaugh, the real leader of the republican party, outlined a gop strategy on health care. listen to this. >> the republicans need to be pushing for total repeal, and
they should settle for nothing that helps fix this. they do not, they should not, a can't understand even why they would want to be seen as being part of the fix. >> so they shouldn't be part of doing anything to help fix a law that would help millions of americans. >> unfortunately, that's not why they were elected. they are elected to legislate. and legislate means that you write a measure to help solve america's woes, not make them worse. >> right. >> and for whatever reason, the way in which these districts were drawn, with the 2010 census where we know were very gerrymandered, very republican voting and very problematic, so what's from this district is this hell no we won't go strategy. for some reason they think they are called to protest politics and not be legislators. >> you know, maria, oprah
winfrey, she was asked if race ever factors into how the president is treated. take a listen to what oprah said. >> just the level of disrespect when the senator yelled out, you're a liar. remember that? yeah, i think that there's a level of disrespect for the office that occurs. and that occurs in some cases, and maybe even many cases, because these african-americans. >> now let's listen to some of the disrespect that oprah was talking about. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> president obama is the most radical president we've ever seen. >> he has been one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times. >> i mean, maria, have we ever seen this level of disrespect toward any president? >> not only have we never seen this level of disrespect, but
what the republican party is doing every time they go after attacking obama the president, they're also basically underpinning -- they're going after the underpinnings of our democracy and that's the respect for the oval office. and that's very difficult to change, and to build upon for the next president. and i think that this is a moment in history where we need the american people to come together, and we need leaders within the republican party to come together and say, this is not acceptable. there's one thing when you're doing politics and making sure that you're fighting for a good cause. whether you're on the right side or not. but there's a different thing when you're actually starting to undress the person, and the office. and that's something that's a lot harder for the country to recover from. >> angela, the right is also really after attorney general eric holder, it's an obsession and he addressed it a few years ago. he told "the new york times." quote, this is a way to get at the president because of the way i can be identified with him, he said. both due to the nature of our relationship, and, you know, the fact that we're both african-american.
a lot of these attacks about race? >> there's no question about it. a lot of them would say that they are not racist. but racist intent doesn't mean that there's not racist impact. >> right. >> so you have the first african-american president. you have the first african-american attorney general. which means that the civil rights division has been the most robust it's ever been. they're working hard to protect our voting rights with you, revere reverend, so many others. as a result they say that he's corrupt, and fast and furious, he never gave us answers. there was a walkout when they held the contempt vote led by the congressional black caucus while i was still on staff. and their contempt vote died in the house. the senate didn't take action because there's no merit to it. so we need to be for real about what's really going on here and race is absolutely at the center of this. >> and talking about that, maria, this constant using of analogies with slavery. and slavery in the context of american history is all about race. that was what you -- that's what
made you a slave was your race. you can't say i'm going to talk about slavery but don't bring up race, because that was the basis of slavery. and to keep comparing everything slavery. slavery. slavery. i mean, all of these connotations are all kind of race based, and referencing race, maria. >> not only is it race baiting but more importantly when you call them out on it they basically say it's the other side that has the problem. they can't have an honest, open dialogue, but what they do is they basically blow the dog whistle and make people more alarmed than they should be. and unfortunately they go after a constituency that's very uncomfortable with the changing demographics of america. until we can basically call a spade a spade and say, hey, let's have an honest, frank discussion, we can't move forward as a country. and, also, let's look at eric holder. the reason they're going after him, angela is right, because he has actually been going around the states and trying to rectify the gutting of the voting rights act which basically now
prohibits people of color, and young people, to participate in full. this is not by accident. so the more that they go after him, the more that we as a country have to recognize that these are the basic principles that hold us together, and the fact that we do have the right to vote. >> and that's the obsession. and when we talk about it, we're pulling the race card. if you get -- >> that's right. >> if you give me the deck, any card i pull is a race card. the deck is stacked with it. but the talk is also pushing this like rush limbaugh that we show the talkers in a party that is split, that has no unity, the talkers drive the party. >> there's no question -- >> and the conversation is so -- and the way that they drive the conversation is so cowardly because they hide behind connotation and they can't speak explicitly and the moment we call them out they cower and say that wasn't what they meant. >> maria, i don't know if this is similar in your community but we can certainly attest to we have to be twice as good. there's no way there could be
someone acting just like rush limbaugh, you would be snatched from the air immediately. we have to deal with racism in america. it's alive and well in 2013. >> andrea, maria trees yeah, thank you both for your time. >> thanks for the discussion, reverend. >> coming up the nfl player at the center of the racially charged bullying scandal. just broke his silence. we're live with two former players. and more on my interview with oprah. it got personal. stay with us.
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for the first time, we are hearing from the player at the center of the football bullying controversy. as he left a meeting with the nfl independent investigator today, the player who was allegedly bullied, jonathan martin, broke his silence. >> today's meeting is consistent with my commitment to cooperate with the nfl to investigation into my experience as a player on the miami dolphins. although i went into great detail with mr. ted wells and his team i do not intend to discuss this matter publicly at this time. i do, however, look forward to speaking directly with steven ross, tom garr finkle and the dolphins organization at the appropriate time. this is the right way to handle the matter. beyond that i look forward to working through the process and resuming my career in the national football league. >> martin's attorney has painted the dolphins' locker room as an
out-of-control animal house, with malicious physical attacks and sexual threats to martin's family members. to teammate richie incognito has become the face of this bullying, after admitting to leaving martin a threatening voicemail with the "n" word on it. joining me now is former miami dolphin randall hill, and former green bay packer leroy butler. he's the founder of the to be a buddy, not a bully, campaign. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you for having me, sir. >> thank you. >> randall, let me start with you. what's your reaction to martin's statement? >> well, again, you know, i like to see what evidence, you know, has come up. you know, in reference to, you know, what was going on in that looker room. you know mr. butler there you knows what we have a lot of fun in those locker rooms but did it cross the line?
to date i have yet to see any evidence that has showed that it actually crossed the line. >> leroy, your reaction? >> well, the one thing that i was a little taken back by in talking to some people close to the situation, they said that some of the guys in the locker room looked at incognito as a -- a residential "n" word. huh? are you -- what? i'm confused by that. >> i heard that, too. >> we thought he was one of us. i'm like what do you mean by that? i don't understand that. it seemed like to me richo incognito filed a grievance on thursday is basically saying, you all need to pay me while y'all investigate, and to some degree i kind of agree with him. i don't think his family should be punished for this. but i think in looking at martin's statement, i wish -- i wish it would have been a little bit more substance. >> yeah. >> before he take, you know, what the lawyers told him. >> but martin basically, well, let's go to incognito.
incognito saying this is part of locker room culture. but, is this kind of behavior ever justified? you know, i was talking to a friend of mine today. at a workplace, and let's remember a locker room is in the workplace. owned by stadiums. many of whom get subsidies from taxpayers and their municipalities. so it's not the players' locker room. you're there working at a workplace that is owned by owners, who deal with, in some cases, public funds. do you have the right to determine that you're going to say things that are racist, homophobic and all, in the name of, that's how we are. like you're any different from any other worker going to a workplace in america? >> well, you know, sometimes you have to be, you know, definitely cognizant of what you say in the workplace. but like, for example, you know, and i talked about this one before, the generational gap. you hear a lot of people talking about, you know, referring to a lot of athletes as being, you
know, hey that guy, you know, he's a beast. he's a beast. he's so good he's a beast. even on my radio show, you know the radio show that i do, i never refer to any athlete as a beast. you and i both know historically, you know, when you're talking about calling someone a beast, you know, it's not correct. especially with someone, you know, who's of african-american descent. you know, even, you know, beyond that, you know, when you sit up here and you listen to some of these young guys referring to each other as the "n" word, the "n" word, and you know, they may not even be black so what is the intent? you know, who are these guys? how are they talking to each other? are they friends? do they talk to each other like this all the time? >> but, my point is leroy, they wouldn't tolerate this at any other work site. the question i think that a larger question here, are athletes being put to a -- on a pedestal, treated differently. you couldn't, in this studio, in
msnbc, say that's how we talk in the cubicle. i mean what are you talking about? nobody determines at the workplace how they behave. that is determined by those that own or run the workplace. >> well, the difference with football, reverend al, we are our own supervisors. and ultimately -- >> but you're not your own payers. you don't pay yourself. and i'm saying that the public has a right to say to the -- to those that are in charge, who do get subsidies and all kind of favors, wait a minute, we're subsidizing and you allow this kind of behavior. >> you know -- >> if i could -- >> people don't get -- go ahead, randal. >> if i could jump in. if you really look at, you know, the players actually run the locker rooms because there's no one outside who subsidized the locker room actually come in there to join in and try to critique what goes on in the locker room. even, you know, with that being said, people always say the coach should have known what was going on in the locker room.
mr. butler knowles the coach very rarely even comes in the locker room. he may walk through as he's going out to practice but it's the players who need to be accountable for themselves if there's something that -- >> that may change now. >> that may change now, reverend. >> let me raise this quickly, we find that jonathan martin's mother is a prominent attorney. martin's mother was one of the first cases at harvard law school involved workplace racial discrimination. she went on to handle employment discrimination cases for nearly two years. she even wrote a "usa today" op-ed entitled stop workplace harassment in your company. so this may get to some of the larger issues that i'm raising. if his mother has influence on this. >> randal? >> i think for the most part >> >> well, she's a -- >> go ahead, leroy. >> yeah, she's a leader in the community, of course. and if she raised her kid properly, i think definitely he's handling it this way.
i think a lot of people you look at the blogs and some of the people and there's some nfl players wonder why me and randal even talking about it. they don't really want a light shined on it. i think she taught him to be a leader not a follower. and putting this out in the forefront under the light makes him a leader in my eyes. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you both for your time this evening. we'll be right back. i see a world bursting with opportunity, with ideas, with ambition. i'm thinking about china, brazil, india. the world's a big place. i want to be a part of it. ishares international etfs. access to developed markets, emerging markets and single countries. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
there are major developments to report in the shooting of the detroit teenager that's drawn comparisons to the trayvon martin case. as we reported nearly two weeks ago, 19-year-old recommendish sha mcbride was shot in the face, and killed, on the front porch of her home in deer born heights, michigan. she had gotten into a car consistent nearby and her family says she was knocking on doors looking for help. today the wayne county prosecutor called theodore paul wafer with second degree murder for shooting her. the prosecute revealed evidence showed he opened his front door, on his own, and shot renisha through his locked screen door. and there was no sign of forced entry. a toxicology report reveals she was drunk, and possibly had marijuana in her system. but, the prosecutor said that had no bearing on her decision to charge wafer.
>> it would be a gross understatement to state that there's an interest in this case we do not make our decisions on any case we evaluate based on public opinion. we don't feel it's relevant to our charges at all in this case. we do not believe he acted in lawful self-defense. >> michigan's self-defense act says a person can use deadly force if they honestly and reasonably believe the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or imminent great bodily harm. in the case, the prosecutor says that standard was not met. it's a welcome example that stand your ground and castle laws need to be monitored carefully. and challenged when they are used to shield and hide potential crimes. gate keeper. here's kevin in the nissan sentra. lamb to the slaughter. mom's baked cookies but he'll be lucky to make it inside. and here's the play.
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with me that will air this weekend. she interviewed me about my book "the rejected stone" and my life experiences. and evolution as a person. and she did what she does best. made me open up about the most personal times in my life. >> so were you for a very long time at angry black men? >> oh, i was very angry. and i was angry not only at society. i was angry at my father. i was angry at some of my mentors. i felt, you know, if i had lived a middle-class life and then went to the hood i might not have been as angry. but i felt robbed. i felt that i had the right life and y'all took it from me for no reason. and then, humiliated my mother. my mother went from having a new cadillac every rear to scrubbing
floors so that i'd have a suit to wear to church on sunday. i was mad about that. i was mad about that. >> and some of that anger is what we saw in your protests. >> a lot of that anger was exercising protests. and exorcised a lot of things in life because i never really analyzed and admit to myself, where is all this anger? i mean when you wake up mad -- i mean, nothing even happened yet, you're just mad. you wake up, and i mean, at some point you got to stop and say, what am i so angry about? >> yeah. >> because you never really dealt with this pain. the full interview airs on the own network this sunday at 9:00 p.m. and i learned, you've got to deal with what moves you. i'm very angry now, but i'm angry about issues that i see. and that i want resolved. not angry because of issues in me.
that i never confronted and never resolved. that's where we've got to go if we're going to make progress in this country. deal with our own contradictions, and then help straighten out the contradictions in society. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. a new low from dick cheney. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm chris matthews out in los angeles. let me start tonight with this. the political right in this country has reached a new low, as i said. it has shown from the beginning that president obama doesn't deserve the decency accorded other american presidents. his enemies have called him an illegal immigrant, a street corner con artist, a fraud, a march yourian candidate brought