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plan you can keep it. we knew this was a plan he couldn't keep. now a promise he has broken. the white house in crisis mode as it struggles to save the embattled health care law. the house is min away from voting on the upton bill that will allow insurers to continue to sell plans that do not beat obama care standards. what can the president do to calm his caucus. we'll ask bob casey and joe crowley. the obama care mess given opposition rivals present and past. >> it's dishonest. what starts twisted stays twisted. live report from the philippines where hundreds waiting at the tacloban airport for safety. bringing food, water, supplies
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to survivors growing more desperate by the day. >> we're in a little village. these ospreys come in loaded with aid, food. there's police and local emergency workers here. look at this crowd assembled around here. >> the bat signal. thousands of volunteers have come out to transform san francisco to gotham city and turn this 5-year-old into a real superhero. good day i'm andrea mitchell in washington where president obama is facing the biggest political crisis of his presidency. thursday's repeated apologies do not seem to have worked. david gregory, moderator of "meet the press" joins me now.
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this is crisis mode and apologies were extraordinary because it was a tone, affect we've never seen from the president. >> comparisons in more friendly quarters being his katrina, harkening back to katrina and president bush. this is a moment meaning an embattled health care law has beset the second term about health care even though he tries to do other things. credibility under fire. you've got disunity among democrats starting to get panicked about their own election process next year and who feel like they put their neck out on the line and the white house doesn't have its act together, which is true. the president said so. >> we'll have the vote live in moments. they were voting to knock down republicans voting to turn down alternative. procedural vote. they will have final vote on the upton bill itself. when that happens, we'll see how
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many democrats are peeling away, despite pleas from the white house. >> what they want is the fix. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. that wasn't the case. this is not the big issue for health care as we move forward. >> this is what kathleen sebelius had to say on the "the daily rundown." >> so it's a relatively small but for those people it's real. i think the president felt keeping the commitment people should be able to stay on their own plans is something he felt was important. >> so that was from an event in detroit today. clearly such an uncomfortable position for cabinet secretary. >> true. relatively few number of people, goes to the heart of the credibility how it was sold. not complicated, going on amazon, get a new plan, keep your plan if you like it. that has proven not to be the
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case. the bigger issue here, if young healthy people are not signing up, the whole thing doesn't work. if they are keeping to their own plans, which obama care in washington says are substandard it doesn't work. they have a website that doesn't work. so the big question is when does this start working. democrats on the hill doesn't know the answer to that, the president doesn't know the answer to that. >> as susan page was saying yesterday, when you start pulling on the thread of a sweater and it starts unraveling, this health care proposal, the bill is so complex, one thing relies on the other as you were just alluding to, the whole thing economically can fall apart. more subsidies needed. if richer, better plans are in place and if people are not getting all the preventive care they need because they are accepting these bare bones plans as grandfathered, they are not going to arguably have the health care that keeps them healthy and brings costs down.
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>> these are difficult issues. i think conservatives, part of what they believe is the core of obama care is the mandate you have to do something. warrant one way or the other is going to try to mandate you do something for your own good. that's the belief. still a question about whether they can really carry that off. that is the great uncertainty that's surrounding us. >> white house briefing started. lets listen to baa bit of jay carney discussing this and we'll be right back. >> you have actuaries saying -- because they are not taking into account what hhs will be able to do? is that what you're saying. >> i haven't seen actuaries report. i'm saying hhs has the capacity because of provision within the aca to make adjustments in this risk corridor to deal with changes in cost, swings in cost
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associated with either more or less risk within the pool of people insured. the way it works if costs are higher, then hhs can mitigate those costs with insurers. if costs come significantly lower, then insurers replenish the fund by passing back some of those profits back. >> david gregory, if costs come in lower than we think. when is that going to happen in the real world. the insurance executives are going in this afternoon. the president's announcements yesterday which sounded like a fix to the uninformed aren't a fix because it's basically saying please may i to the insurance companies. they have been beaten up so badly by the white house they are not inclined to be helpful and not in their self-interest. >> they are being beaten up, also a sweet deal. it costs them more to in sure more people who are sicker. they are not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts.
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they are doing this because they get a lot more people. >> they are google to get their pound of flesh. >> unless they don't. if they don't, it's going to cost them more. they will pass on costs. that's why premiums go up. it's affordable care act. if it's no longer affordable, it does collapse. what jay carney is referring to, how can the president do this, how can hhs do this. i don't completely understand but there's ways they can make this request of the insurance companies. we'll see what happens. lets not forget what happens on the individual market is a smaller piece of the overall question, do you have an ability to go on a website and buy a plan. are there enough young and healthy people do this to make it work. the president's credibility has been hurt by this. you've got democrats disunited. all of this at a time when they are trying to win the argument, no, government can and should do something this big address society. that's also what's under fierce attack.
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>> they have just starting voting on the upton vote. within five minutes we might well know how many democrats will abandon the white house. see the house floor there. democrats wanted political cover, something to vote for. argued seriously against the vote. they said it was basically a trojan horse killing obama care. it's hard for them to be defending obama care. i'll be talking to bob casey momentarily in pennsylvania he told newspapers he thought something should be done before the white house was willing to accept this. lets talk about opening the door for the critics. we hadn't heard much until "meet the press" a week ago from mitt romney. now mitt romney coming up with charlie rose. lets watch charlie rose and mitt romney talk about the president's credibility. >> the real problem that the president has is a broken promise is dishonesty. that's what's striking at the heart. >> more that than bad management. >> ultimately people know systems are going to work.
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they are frustrated they are not working. when the systems are working, people will still lose and already have. millions of people losing their insurance. >> i'm struck by that for a couple of reasons. one, there's no question the credibility issue is hurting the president. we saw it on our poll, more people think trustworthy than untrustworthy. that's a big, big blow. we know from covering other presidencies. >> hard to get back. >> i'm surprised mitt romney is still running for president when he has all this experience in health care. can he be a little more dispassionate, critical on this point. i don't think too many people are going to pay attention to that. i think the fact the president's credibility is on the line here becomes a huge distraction from whether this thing actually works. he's getting it on politics, policy questions. again, i think this becomes the lens through which everything is viewed in the second term. that becomes difficult for him. it's already coming up on the end of november, first year of
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his second term, huge issues just with regard to this. forget all these other things you'd like to accomplish. >> you're going to begin to see other republicans. what i'm hearing from republicans is jeb bush is rethinking that session that he had with the financial industry in wall street yesterday or the day before yesterday. he's seriously thinking at least about 2016. other republicans are going to get into this. >> it's interesting. if you go back to the reading of 2012 and how there was big money donors who wanted chris christie in the race or jeb bush, that's where they want to write their checks. they would like establishment reassert, get back into the position to win. rather give that money there than ted cruz at the moment. it does give jeb bush a feeling, hey, there's an opening here. look at the reception. conservative credentials, can deal with tea party wing. that debate is going to take hold here. >> david gregory on sunday.
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>> nancy pelosi at an opportune time. talk about panic among democrats and the fact she obviously in many ways is an architect of the health care law herself. she's got to be feeling accountability herself. we'll discuss on sunday. >> the senate could be in play not only not -- no chance or less chance arguably of retaking the house, which was always a steep climb but the senate in play. that's why mary landrieu out there with fixes. thanks very much. see you on sunday. lets go to more about divisions between white house and congressional democrats. right now here for our daily fix "new york times" political correspondent jonathan martin and nbc white house correspondent kristen welker joining me from the white house lawn. first to you jonathan martin, the other jonathan martin, we'll get to that at the end of this. the aptly named jonathan martin. lets talk about the divisions between the democrats and the house and the senate and the white house. really dismay over what they have seen coming from white
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house leadership. >> you've seen relative unity between democrats on the hill and president obama for the last five plus years as you know from reporting, most people that follow politics know that's a facade. there's not a warm relationship between hill democrats and this president. he doesn't show much interest reaching out to them. they are very cognizant of that and don't appreciate that. you saw a bit of this when larry summers nomination to the fed or would be infantrymen nation to the fed was torpedoed by his own party. now you're saying it full effect because they are on the ballot. house democrats, all of them, quite a few democrats in the senate as well. president obama is never going to be on the ballot again. so if you're mary landrieu you mentioned or kay hagan in north carolina or mark pryor in arkansas and already facing a
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tough i rarace, this is a devastating turn of events in the last weeks. they know that. that's why they are turning from the white house. here is the challenge for senate democrats fedex year. how do they bring out the liberal base of their party, the kind of people president obama turned out twice to win the presidency while at the same time creating some separation between themselves and the president to appeal for the middle. that's going to be really the challenge for those democrats on the ballot next year in swing areas. >> joining me here as well is mark murray, our deputy political director. really, the sense on the hill of betrayal from this white house, that they weren't competent, weren't straight, they didn't give the right talking points, walked the plank, this is a real sense of betrayal. >> andrea, there is. democrats feel like they stuck out their neck every way, drafting this in 2009, 2010, whether it was during all the
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hiccups involved during presidential elections by and large they stuck behind the president. now due to the administration's failing on this rollout, they feel like they are in a vulnerable situation. the time is the perspective. right now seems like a disastrous thing. if the website guess fets fixeds ahead, a problem, they will say, look, another big story in the news cycle. just a month ago, month and a half ago the shutdown dooming the republican party, then democrats, another twist and turn, this will be a distant memory. sometimes you don't know what that distant memory is versus that indelible political moment that doesn't go away. >> i have to say from my perspective, having seen this many years, this weakens the president's hands in the budget talk to come and makes immigration even that much more of a dream. kristen welker, does the white
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house realize how much trouble they are in? >> i think they do. i heard you talk about comparisons to katrina. i can tell you the expletives start flying when you bring that up at the white house. they don't linebacker that comparison. they know this is perhaps the most serious moment of this presidency of they know they are in damage control mode. that's why you saw president obama contrite, falling on his sword, to some extent, saying he fumbled the ball. they continue with damage control today. meeting with insurance executives. one industry insider telling me that tensions are expected to be huge at this meeting. the insurance companies feeling as though the president shifted the political burden on them. how is this going to work, offer plans that have already been canceled. they are putting out a number of fires. when you ask them about the president's second term dpend ark, it's not surprising they say they are working on doing big things.
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andrea, hard to see how immigration reform gets past, get a broader budget deal passed when they are putting fires on defense every day. andrea. >> jonathan, the irony of the president having to turn to insurance executives and asking them to bail out obama care. >> that's been the irony of really this entire bill since its inception. it's never been something liberals had much passion for. they would obviously have preferred a single payer type plan. it was always constructed in a fashion that you had to have buy-in from private industry. so there's always been a bit of heartburn from the left on this. now because of the malfunction of the website and the fact you've got millions of people receiving letters saying they are being kicked off their plans, you have the centrist element of the party unhappy as well. it is a tough moment for president obama politically. it's a harder moment for his
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party. they are the ones again, like i said, on the ballot next year. the difference between mark's point and the shutdown, the shutdown had a beginning, middle and end ultimately. this, though, it's a bit more uncertain. those folks told their insurance is being canceled, maybe they will get it back but that's not a guaranteed thing. if those people this time next year during election day are still grappling with insurance challenges because of the law they are going to take it out on a lot of incumbents. >> jonathan, before we let you go, there's that other jonathan martin. >> i knew you couldn't resist. >> i know on twitter, people are getting you confused. i want you to explain you are not the offensive lineman from miami dolphins. >> i once played the line but i was a lot smaller and a lot slower than jonathan martin who plays for miami dolphins and
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went to stanford. i'm using it on twitter people confusing me with him. sports section at the "times" allowed me to write about it. it is a reminder people can be pretty harsh on the internet and really take after you. somebody used the phrase keyboard courage. people will say things to you online they would never say to you in person. my message for the other jonathan martin is hang in there. this, too, shall pass. >> what are you on twitter? >> my twitter handle is jmartnyt. you would have thought nyt would tell folks not the miami dolphins but not enough. >> jmartnyt now and forever. >> thank you, andrea. >> thanks onto kristen and mark murray and the other jonathan martin, the nfl's investigation into the bullying scandal is moving forward today. this is that other jonathan martin.
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democrats in both houses of congress dismayed over health care rollout, all the mistakes made after putting their careers on the line for the affordable care act pennsylvania senator bob casey came out for a fix
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even before the president conceded he had to make changes. the senator joins me, good to see you. >> thanks, an ra. >> you told reporters there you wanted some changes made. are you satisfied with the president's apologies and what he's trying to do with having insurance companies grandfather or extend existing policies? >> yeah, i think, andrea, it was a great development the president was able to focus on the question of how we move forward. in this case he was able to put a fix in place that will help enormously. we don't know what will happen 30th of november. what happens that day going forward will be critically important. we may have to consider other changes legislative in nature, take additional steps. we have to get this right. the administration has to demonstrate they have a strategy
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to do that. >> sthor, what do you think needs to be done? is the landrieu bill the right fix. senators like mary landrieu up for re-election, do they want some vote, some, lets face it, political cover? >> well, it may be legislative in nature. lets see how this administration hhs fix works because what that will do is allow things to be kind of frozen for a time period. if we do that, i think there's a way to have the kind of stabilization that you need right now. we don't know yet what will happen november 30th. as i said before, that's going to be a very important deadline in this whole effort. >> first of all, a lot will depend on what insurance companies do, executives meeting with the president today. they have to go along with this for this to work.
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ed administration that no ways to get policies reinstated. what do you think about the way the president handled this, the fact he promised over and over again if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. was that an accident a deliberate political bumper sticker during the campaign, was this an effort to mislead the american people? >> i think he's acknowledged that was a mistake. i think that's the important thing a leader has to do in this circumstance. the key now, though, is to get this right. i think if you're in the house or senate, you're in one of two caucuses, only two. not democrat, republican on this. are you in the caucus of fixing the problem, not just the website but the larger question of how do you cover as many as 20 million people, how do you cover and protect families already who are in a difficult circumstance with pre-existing
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conditions or a whole host of other protections they don't have and would not absent the law. the other caucus, roars, is the root for failure caucus. we'll have to see which side people land on. but we've got to get this right for the country, for the economy, if we can solve the health care problem it will be enormously beneficial for the country and the economy. if we don't solve it, both parties will have a lot to be frustrated by. >> a lot of anger at the polls against democrats, no doubt. let me ask you quickly something about iran. you're a member of the national security working group there in the senate. >> right. >> senator feinstein, the chair of intelligence says she's baffled by why some of her colleagues, you included, presumably, are interested in more sanctions despite the pleas
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of secretary kerry and others that will undermine talks with iran. why do you think imposing sanctions now won't hurt the talks under way, very delicate talks? >> andrea, i believe, and i've worked on this a number of years, the reason we're at a point where there is a potential for a breakthrough diplomatic is for sanctions. were it not for sanctions, i don't think we'd be talking about any kind of potential for an agreement. the problem we have now is that in the absence of a binding agreement that can be verified, those centrifuges are still spinning. the potential for the iranian regime to develop nuclear weapons capability is still there. so i believe that we should seriously consider additional sanctions. we'll see what the banking committee does and i'll await their determination.
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but to rule out any any additional sanctions or enforcement of existing sanctions i think would be a mistake. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much. thanks for joining us today. thanks, andrea. >> in toronto, the city council sent a clear message to rob ford today. they are fed up. the city leader has become a bunch line here and abroad after admitting to smoking crack, buying illegal drugs, driving drunk amid a series of colorful press conferences. lawmakers in toronto overwhelmingly passed a bill to strip ford of some of his powers of office. >> we are collectively disgusted with the mayor's behavior. >> but the council doesn't have the authority to do it, remove him from office. remaining defiant the mayor refuses to resign and will take legal action against the council. >> obviously i can't support this. i have really no other options but to challenge this in sourt.
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distress, the riddler and chasing the penguin. the make-a-wish foundation have been overwhelmed with actors, stage crews, every day people all want to help create the superhero experience for this child. bat kid's mom says he likes to be a superhero but he's already one because he's beating leukemia. take a look at the board on capitol hill. upton bill already passed, 253 now. there's still 43 seconds on the clock. it has passed. so far 34 democrats have disobeyed the white house pleas and now you've got 35 democrats, 219 republicans. still you've got 17 democrats sitting on the fence they haven't voted yet. 16 now, 7 republicans not voting. so far we have a vote of 259 total at this hour including 221
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republicans, 38 democrats. the democrats are now joining 39 democrats all voting for the upton bill which would give insurers a lot more leeway on disobeying fundamental principles of obama care and going their own way. we'll be back in a moment. the was a truly amazing day. without angie's list, i don't know if we could have found all the services we needed for our riley. for over 18 years we've helped people take care of the things that matter most. join today at angieslist.com
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seven days of a the typhoon struck philippines, people desperate for help. the death toll is rising. nbc's medical editor dr. nancy snyderman spent time with israeli medical teams in one remote town. >> reporter: the world descended on philippines. quietly with no fanfare the israeli defense force has
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arrived, too. they brought medical and building expertise to a small town few people heard of a five hour drive north of sabu. sls known for security, topnotch medicine and dealing quickly. dealing with a disaster is no exception. they arrived yesterday and opened their gates. problems range from accidents, dehydration. they are not seeing trauma witnessed on other islands. >> what's the problem? >> oh, diabetes. >> no question, medical supplies are needed in this region of the world to take back to israel. >> amidst lost houses, crisis, illness, there's happiness, the first baby born. >> congratulations, mom. typhoon hit your family hard? >> yes. >> you must have been very scared being pregnant? >> yes, ma'am. >> the baby boy's name?
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israel, of course. >> one happy moment. joining me from manila, nbc's ian williams. help is arriving but how quickly is it mobilizing. >> the death toll rise up sharply to 3,600, earlier the u.n. gave a higher number of 4,000. the only thing they agree on is is expected to rise more. some pretty chilling new statistics from the u.n. today. 13 million people we're told were affected, 1.9 million displaced. philippine red cross saying 25,000 people are not accounted for, though that may be quite a higher figure because people may have moved out of the area. the good news is that aid is now beginning to arrive. it's very patchy but it is
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arriving. the first helicopters flew in from "uss geoge washington" bringing food and water bo make of the more devastated area of leyte island. also seeing philippine government's effort beginning to get up to speed, although there are terrible bottlenecks, european television reporting several miles of back logs, ferries to leyte island, in tacloban itself the mayor complaining he couldn't get any trucks locally and a shortage of fuel. pledges of aid pouring in throughout the world, japan, made its biggest overseas deployment since the second world war. australia, britain, even china upped its offer, originally they came up with a $100,000 offer, which was ridiculed even in china's state press. that's been increased to $2
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million. as some pointed out that's less than the pledge made by the swedish furniture store ikea offering $2.7 million from its charitable foundation, andrea. >> thanks so much, ian. for more information on how you can help victims in the philippines, please go to our website. new york congressman crowley joins us directly from the floor where you were voting. presumably you were not one of the 39 who abandoned the white house and voted in favor of fred upton's bill. >> the bill reality ultimate goal is to make more americans healthy, to get them to have the opportunity to afford for the first time in many of their lives the opportunity to own their own health insurance policy, to make sure women
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aren't discriminated against, children with pre-existing conditions not off the rolls. this will be a healthier america. i voted today to further that goal. >> at this stage, how disappointed are you and other democrats in the white house. this is a white house known for confidence, walk the line, take tough votes for them. now you're faced where the president was abjectly apologizing and admitting to major errors in the way it was sold and instruct urd. >> -- structured. >> the people who i feel sorry, people online to purchase and avail themselves of the tax credit to avail owning a health care policy possible. those had to deal with glitches. in the end the white house is committed to fixing problems. we are committed to seeing it through. in the end the biggest problem here is promise for affordable health care for all americans
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that want to have that. that's a promise the president has kept and will continue to keep, i will keep as well. that's what we're working towards. quite frankly on the other side of the ledger, republican colleagues want status quo. they are not looking to improve lives in terms of ability to improve health care. they would much rather see the old way, women discriminated against because they were women. people knocked off the rolls because they reached a lifetime cap, got no money from insurance companies. those days are over and we're not going backwards. it's time they realized it. what happened today was another attempt to repeal the affordable care act and it failed. it will not happen. >> but hasn't the president, hhs, the white house, the whole management and mismanagement of this, given the opposition, the republican critics some pretty good arguments to take this down. the president himself is walking backwards on it and
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grandfathering bare bones plans. >> andrea, at the end of the day we can fix a broken website. it will be fixed. you can't fix broken ideas. in fact, republicans don't have broken ideas, they have no ideas. you can't fix no ideas. there's nothing they have to replace this week. they have no vision for america. they continually show that. the emphasis on going backwards as opposed to going forward. andrea, if you remember when medicare part d passed, democrats didn't like that. we didn't stop implementation, we didn't cry crocodile tears and undermine it, we saw it through. the affordable care act, that's not been the case around the country, governors not implemented change but working towards defeat, undermining legislation. that's not the way the american people want to see it go. >> congressman crowley, thanks very much. >> thank you, andrea. thanks for being with us. fifty years after john f.
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kennedy's death, hours of documentary footage over decades, a new discovery. a rare discovery of john f. kennedy 38 minutes from an amateur photographer's film archive never before seen. >> ask not -- >> we think of him now as the first television president, young, athletic, whether playing with children or sparring with reporters at news conferences. but now for the first time, never before seen film of john f. kennedy as a long shot presidential hopeful accompanied by his beloved sister eunice. >> george kennedy said if eunice had been born a boy, he would have been the candidate of this generation. when jackie kennedy did not campaign, oftentimes she was very glad to stay off the campaign trail, eunice kennedy shriver was only too glad to fill in. >> a young senator without seniority or long resume doing what candidates do in iowa, even
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riding a white mule, though local democrats tried to pass it off at a donkey. >> when i looked at the film for the first time, i said to myself, wow, this is an amazing bit of history. >> newly discovered by the photograph's family and now saved for posterity, kennedy is also seen campaigning in aliquippa, pennsylvania, midterms fighting for passage of minimum wage. and this from june 1963, five months before dallas. >> the most clilg piece of footage for me is there's a wonderful shot of kennedy riding in a limousine. he crosses from left to right on the screen. it's very reminiscent of the film. it's, in fact, we believe the same limousine in which he was killed. >> it was the same limousine, a linked continental as in dallas with the top down.
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saddest of all the funeral. >> the footage of the funeral is almost a film in and of itself. >> if you look closely you can see john john beginning to raise his arm in that heartbreaking salute as his father's coffin passes by. >> this is never before seen video film and it's very moving. >> it is. especially because we've seen so much of him and he's been gone 50 years, to find new footage brings him back to life. >> we'll be discussing more about jfk next week. secretaries of state collided at georgetown university, former secretary clinton and john kerry were enthusiastically received at a symposium on advancement of women in afghanistan. after clinton left the stage and couldn't quite find her way out, well, take a look. >> i think you're over here, hillary. here we go.
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i manage produce. i work in logistics. there's more to walmart than you think. vo: opportunity. that's the real walmart. my friend and colleague spent more than 30 years covering the middle east and beyond for nbc news. he's also an accomplished author. nonfiction and fiction. he has written his fourth book, "jacob's oath", a novel about a young couple that survived the holocaust. it is set in 1945 post war germany. martin joins us now. it's great to see you. congratulations, another remarkable book. i think this is your second book of fiction, at least among all of your nonfiction. what inspired you to write this? you wrote the list and that also had a theme of post holocaust.
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>> you know, the question i always wonder, what is it like the day after a terrible event like the holocaust, one of the worst events in human history, what was it like for people who survived and then had to get on with the rest of their lives? the list was set in london in 1945. this one is set in germany in 1945. and what's more important, love or hate, the past or future? it's a love story and it's a thriller taking place in this extraordinary backdrop of germany right after world war ii. >> martin, i know that you as the consumeate reporter do a lot of research. tell me about the research you did for the book, not only from life but going back to germany and elsewhere? >> you know, i think that basically all of my experiences at home, my parents -- most of the families were killed in the holocaust and my work as a
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journalist covering wars and disaster for decades, it all came together in this book in which i feel i understand what those people are going through. not only from our stories from home but from the experiences i had covering people in those similar situations. nothing is similar to the holocaust but close in rwanda and cambodia and those places. i wanted to delve into that nexus and report what it was like in germany. i did go to germany and spent a few weeks in the town of hidelberg. it's more my experience in journalism and family that ended up in this book. for me it was a very emotional experience when i was writing the book. >> and frankly, from the list, i inferred a lot from your family, knowing they were survivors, that your relatives had died in the holocaust. i learned so much about london
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post car from the jewish community. my family had come from london before the war. my father's family, just shortly after the turn of the century. i learned more about the resistance in london to asimulating the jewish survivors. that i felt quite shocking. >> i didn't know that until i researched the book. there was a headline in the local paper, an upscale liberal part of london today. the express on the 16th of october, 1945, only five months after the end of world war ii, was inject the aliens, that was the headline of the newspaper, it referred to a petition that was circulating in london at that time to throw out the jewish refugees from britain. the feeling was, we looked after the jewish refugees but now the war is over, they should go back home. there was a lot of ant
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anti-semitism. trying to become more popular among the british. that was something i discovered when i was doing research for the book for "the list." and i encorporated that whole story in the story. i didn't know your family also came from britain. i didn't know that. >> came from east london. i've gone back and found the roots, very different community. it's changed evolved so much over the years. but this is remarkable, jacob's oath. i want to say, to move from the nonfiction world to the fiction world, it's such a leap. i admire it so greatly. and thank you for sharing this with us for being so personal and for using all of your experiences in creating these wonderful characteristics. >> thanks, i appreciate it. thank you. >> great to see you. >> jacob's oath is the book. another great work from martin fletcher, our friend and colleague. that does it for this edition of
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an "andrea mitchell reports." tamron, wondering whether you've recovereded from your puppy attack this morning on "today"? >> andrea, i still have scrapes to prove i was in battle. it was a fun battle to have. those dogs will go on to be guide dogs for children living with autism. they had fun but they've got to get to work soon. it's great seeing you. >> wonderful weekend. >> you too. >> we're following a lot on "news nation," including breaking news, the man charged just today with shooting and killing an unarmed detroit teenager almost two weeks ago expected to make his first court appearance in just moments. mcbride's family will join me to react. also breaking this hour, california officials set to begin a news conference at any moment after four bodies were found in the mojave desert. plus as you know, 39 democrats voted in favor of a
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hi, everyone, i'm tamron hall. the homeowner charged with shooting an unarmed african-american woman in a detroit suburb is expected in court any minute. the man just identified today as theodore paul waver shot mcbride on his front porch the early morning of november 2nd. her familiar believes she was looking for help after a car crash. i'll talk with mcbride's parents in a few moments and we'll have more on the events taking place in michigan. in the world of politics, just minutes ago the house of representatives voted

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