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i don't want to be on the news, dog. >> well, it's a little late for that, dog. >> police, get on the ground. >> on the ground. on the ground. on the ground. >> get down, now. >> on the ground. >> how often do you meet underage girls online? >> probably 10, 15 -- >> 10, 15. underage girls you've met online? you say if anyone ever knew about this, i would go to jail. >> he's confessed to everything. he knew that she was underage. >> oh, no. he brought his son with him. he's got his child with him. >> you all want an interview? hey, how you all doing? >> tonight, the strangest parade of suspects you've ever seen. >> nbc again. >> on "to catch a predator." we've been investigating the national epidemic of grown men using the internet to solicit
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underage teens for sex. as more and more parents become aware of the dangers, so have lawmakers in washington. good evening. i'm stone phillips. >> i'm ann curry. both houses of congress have now passed a bill to create the first nationwide registry for sex offenders, which in many states includes online sex predators. >> this time we take our hidden cameras to florida. we thought we'd seen and heard just about everything, but what we found there surprised even our own chris hansen. a reminder, some of what you'll see is explicit. >> hey, come on in. i made some cookies. >> hello. >> they're on the table. >> hi. >> take a seat. >> this 49-year-old man and the teenager talking to him have never met before. he probably believes she's the 15-year-old he's been chatting online with for the last week and a half. >> hey, i just had to change my shirt real quick, but just come in and watch some tv. i'll be right there. >> okay.
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>> what he doesn't know is she's really a 19-year-old actress we hired to be a decoy. and he has just walked into a "dateline" hidden camera investigation. why don't you come on over here and have is a seat there. hungry? how does it taste? >> great. wow. these are home baked. >> do you want time to finish your cookie? >> not really. >> okay. so you're good if i ask you a couple questions? it's the latest in our continuing series of investigations into online sex predators. for the first time we're in the south, ft. myers, florida, hilton daniels is ft. myers chief of police. >> i've had a lot of parents call me and say, i've caught my kid talking to someone over the internet. i've had my kid slip out of the house and go meet someone. what do i do? >> while searching for a way to help parents and children in his community, chief daniels says he saw one of our previous broadcasts and had an idea. >> we decided, well, let's get
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ahold of perverted-justice and have them teach us how to do this operation. >> we're trying to make contact and get an update. >> perverted-justice, an online watchdog group that "dateline" has been working with. during each of our computer predator investigations. its members are experts at pretending to be kids online and on the phone. >> yeah, you sound nice. >> "dateline" hired perverted-justice members to do what they've been doing for the last four years. chat online with men chatting with minors hoping to meet the teens for sex. the members go into chat rooms and on social networking sites like myspace and teenspot using profiles of young teens. sometimes the decoys act eager about having sex. >> he thinks he's talking to a girl. >> since perverted-justice members want to see these predators arrested, they were more than willing to help out the ft. myers police department. >> perverted-justice says, hey, not only will we teach you, we'll come down and do it for you. so the next thing i know, we're setting up the sting operation.
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>> his left hand is in his pocket. >> frag, his screen name from perverted-justice, worked out a plan with chief daniels' officers. once a potential predator makes a date online for sex with a minor, chat logs will be sent to detectives and prosecutors staked out in the guest house behind our house. >> florida department of law enforcement and the state attorney's office, they were reviewing the chat logs to make sure this person had already violated state statute. >> we just now got the child logged on. >> under florida law, it's a crime for an adult to solicit sex with a minor online. >> coming to the house was kind of like the icing on the cake. >> for our latest investigation, we've come to this lovely home in an upscale neighborhood. there are five cameras outside, including one hidden in a palm tree that covers the street from both sides, able to spot a potential predator's car a block before he arrives. >> knock on the backdoor. call out. >> hey, come on in.
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>> as for the cameras inside the house, there are eight. >> coming your way. move. >> watch this man. >> he's in the kitchen. >> from the moment he walks in the door, his every move is caught on tape, although he doesn't know it yet. >> he's coming into the living room. chris has him. >> what you are doing here today? >> is this some kind of setup or something? i'm just on my way to the beach. >> he's michael willis, screen name genericwhitemale. he's almost 50 years old and he's been chatting online with a girl who calls herself jolanda. and who says she's 15. he lies to her about his age, typing "i'm 30, you probably don't want me around you. i'm cute, though. built good." hen he says "we'd have to keep us a secret because of the age difference. younger girls like you don't come around often. i'd want you again and again." hen he sends her a picture.
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>> how did you meet her? >> online. >> you act like i should know that. >> that's a common thing now. >> to meet young girls online? >> meet any women online. >> then i remind genericwhitemale that jolanda told him she was 156. >> what? no way. >> i have the transcript of your conversation with jolanda. >> you know what, i don't want this cookie. i want to get to the beach. >> one second. >> genericwhitemale won't go to the beach today. as he heads out the back, he stumbles off the porch right into the arms of the ft. myers police department. police! get on the ground! >> the police quickly take him down to the ground. in florida, where it's relatively easy to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon, these officers aren't taking any chances. >> this way. >> the best thing to do is as quickly as possible was to get this person on the ground with their hands behind them in handcuffs. >> he's taken away in an unmarked police vehicle and
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brought to this transfer station. generic white male's car is searched. >> there's some condoms and things like that in there. >> and he's put in a marked police car and taken to jail. the next morning, he's brought before a judge and bail is set. >> a composite bond of $40,000. that's all. >> get up on four. gold car coming down is our boy. >> after previous investigations in four different states, we've seen and heard some strange things, but even we were surprised at what we found here in florida. >> all i got to say is, ain't nothing going on in here, dude, nothing funny going on here. coming up, a suspect comes knocking while his sister and her kids wait in the car. how will he explain that one? >> your poor sister is waiting outside with two babies in the car? >> yeah. ♪
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our 13 cameras are in place and rolling. including one high up in a palm tree. we're able to spot a potential predator's car long before he gets to our house. >> this is our boy. >> the man walking in our back door is 21-year-old david shumaker, screen name freebird 72000. he's been chatting online with a decoy posing as a young teen named dee. >> knock, knock. >> hey, come on in. >> our 19-year-old actress, the decoy playing dee, invites him
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in. >> you can try one of my cookies. they're so good. >> did you make them? >> yeah, i made them myself. >> all right, i'll eat one. i like chocolate chip. >> online, he invites the girl, who told him she was 14 and a virgin, to a birthday party. and from his online chat, it appears he has his sights on a party for two. >> i want to be your first, baby. >> okay. >> you're going to put my [ bleep ] in your mouth? because i like that. >> i guess i can try it. >> just let me drive, baby, i'll show you heaven. >> haha. >> he goes on to talk about having different kinds of sex with the virgin, then gets almost poetic. >> you want to make love or [ bleep ] for your first time? >> what's the difference? >> [ bleep ] is just raw passion and making love is a connection of bodies, i guess. >> freebird 72000 also mentions online that he's going to bring marijuana. >> did you bring some green? >> no, we're going to smoke some though when i get some. >> you've got good munchies. >> you didn't tell me your
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[ bleep ] parents are rich. what do they do for a living? >> hey, why don't you have a seat right over there? >> how are you doing? >> good. what's happening? like so many of the men who walk into this house, the man sits and answers questions. he can't figure out if i'm the girl's father or a police officer. and remember, he has no idea he's being videotaped. >> what's going on? >> you tell me what's going on. >> are you her dad or something? >> what are you doing here? >> i'm david. how you doing? >> i'm chris. nice to see you. how's everything? >> chilling, birthday party. >> you said the girl here was going to go with you to the birthday party. >> who are you? >> i'll get to that in a minute. >> all right. >> what's your date's name for the party? >> dee. >> how old is dee? >> she didn't really tell me. >> but she did tell him. online she typed her age, 14. female, south florida. and he said, what would your parents say about you talking to someone as old as me? then freebird seems to worry i'm a cop. >> you seem like law enforcement. i happen to know law enforcement. >> you do?
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so you're an expert in this area. >> no, no, i'm just saying you come off as law enforcement. >> really? you know how you come off? >> how's that? >> somebody who's very nervous. someone who came over here to have sex with a 14-year-old girl. >> 14-year-old? >> i read him some of what you said online. are you sexy naked? have you ever played with yourself? you going to put my [ bleep ] in your mouth. >> i like to talk dirty. >> if you like that, i'll teach you. >> what are you trying to say? >> i'm trying to say it makes it look like you came here -- >> i came to pick her up. >> to have sex with an underaged girl. >> we were in a role playing chat room, dude. >> what role were you playing exactly here? >> people play roles. never ask role playing. people just talk. my god, is this some kind of holdup? man, you got a warrant? if the girl don't want to come -- and if you got a problem -- >> a warrant? are you a defense lawyer now? >> i'm saying, man, you don't got no cause to hold me. i got no problems sitting here to talk to you. >> he sticks to the story that he's here to take the girl to a party, but it turns out he
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didn't come here alone. waiting outside in the car is his sister and her two young children. he says his sister was going to drive them to the party. and your poor sister is waiting outside with two babies in the car? >> yeah. >> because you had to come over here and have sex with a 14-year-old? >> didn't come over here to have sex. i come over here to get the girl and go to the party, dude. >> we learn his sister apparently didn't know he was trying to meet an underage girl. later you'll find out what happens when i tell him i'm with "dateline." >> nothing funny going on right here. there are more potential predators to confront. as you can see, the palm tree cam picks up another man headed our way. this time he's riding a motorcycle. >> he's parking right by the door. >> instead of coming in right away, he stays outside and smokes a cigarette. our actress tries to get him to come inside. >> call him. he's getting nervous. >> hey, come on in. >> all right. he just put a cigarette in the trash.
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he's heading toward the door. >> he's 45-year-old dennis ramsey, a truck driver whose screen name is daddieforu. he drove 12 hours to meet a girl who told him she was 14, at home alone and willing to have sex with him. online, daddy4u says i just met you and i like you. the world says it's wrong because i'm older than you. then later under a different screen name bluegrsruls, he brings up the idea of having sex with her in a round-about way. >> i said we can't have sex, but that's up to you. >> it might be okay. >> if we do you have to assure me no one will ever find out. >> where are you? >> oh, hey, i'm just picking out a jacket to wear on the bike. take a seat. >> this is quite a place. >> glad you like it. how you doing? >> how you doing? >> good. why don't you have a seat over in that seat? >> oh, man. >> thanks for smoking outside. go ahead. please have a seat. what are you up to? >> well, i knew this was going
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to happen. >> he tells me he has kids of his own and drove four hours simply to warn our teenager about the dangers of talking to strangers on the internet. >> i came to let her know that when you do that, you could be anybody. >> so you came to help her out, out of the goodness of your heart? >> i know that sounds stupid, but maybe you could say that. i don't know. >> and what about his chat log? you ask her what size her boobs are. she says 32-b, you say yummy. and again, you get somewhat suspicious. you say, you're not trying to set me up, are you? are you a cop? if anyone ever knew about this, i would go to jail. >> i can't tell you how ashamed i am. >> as you'll see later, he'll be even more ashamed when he finds out he's going to be on national television. but first, there are more men about to arrive for their date with a young teen. some won't stay long. no, no, sir. wait one minute. and one man wants to take his date for a ride. >> come here.
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he's coming, emily. hold on. wave, wave, wave. wave, wave. he saw you. he saw you. he's hitting the brakes and backing up. >> during our undercover operation, it is not uncommon for potential predators to appear hesitant about walking in the door. >> he's trying to wave her off to the street. no way. >> but we've never seen anyone like this man.
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>> he's bringing his car all the way back, guys. >> he pulls in around back and starts asking the decoy, our actress, playing a young teen, to come outside. >> no. you come here. >> it's almost 4:00 in the morning when 44-year-old thomas moffitt, screen name moff 1960 pulls up to our house. he's a maintenance engineer for the boca raton resort. a married man with three children. he drove more than two hours to meet a girl named toni who said she was 15. really it's a decoy from perverted-justice. >> i'm trying to hit on you, and you're laughing at me? >> no, i'm not. >> okay. good. am i freaking you out? >> why would you freak me out? >> because i'm 44 and i'm hitting on you. so would you ever fool around with a guy like me? >> once they set up a date to meet at their house, moff 1960 makes his plans very clear. >> okay. how about after i come in, i'll strip? >> for real? >> sure, if you want me to. >> you're kidding me. >> nope. >> you can take your clothes off in the laundry room if you want to.
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>> he finally gets out of his car but won't come any closer than the back step. >> you said you were going to do something for me in the laundry room. were you lying to me? >> huh-uh. >> are you going to back out on me? >> huh-uh. >> because that's what i feel like you're going to do now. >> i'm just being cautious. >> moff 1960 senses something different about the girl in the house. >> can you come here, please? >> i'm right here. >> please? >> in fact, something is different. our actress is not actually the decoy who sent moff 1960 a photograph of herself and spoke to him on the phone. that was a member of perverted-justice. >> you haven't acted this way when we've talked before. >> oh, really? well, talking in person is a little different than talking online. >> you don't sound the same in person as you did on the phone. >> well -- >> your picture looks different, too. >> this odd conversation goes on for a half an hour. at one point, he tells her to show him proof that she is who she says she is.
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>> get your library card. >> he paces outside, peeking in the window. when the decoy comes back without her library card, he tries to convince her to get in his car and go to walgreen's. >> where is the walgreen's at? >> this is ridiculous. i'm going to bed. >> okay. >> as we told you earlier, ft. myers police officers are staked out in guesthouse. so as the man tries to get in his car -- >> get down, get down. >> -- he's arrested. >> get down. >> i didn't do anything. >> hands behind your back! >> so we never get to tell him he's going to be on "dateline." and he wasn't the only one. >> okay, guys. he's out of the car. he's walking really, really fast. >> this 24-year-old, screen name importuner 81 is here making a date with a girl posing as a 13-year-old. he told her he'd bring marijuana. >> did you bring the pot? >> he begins to look around and
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appears to spot our crew upstairs. >> hi. >> yeah, did you bring the pot? >> no. >> and he takes off. >> go take him. take him. >> get down. >> here comes another man who doesn't stick around very long. >> he's coming up the driveway, he's walking fast. >> he's 43-year-old freddy fernandez, screen name latinhawk 63. he's been having an x-rated online chat with a decoy posing as a 15-year-old. like several men in our investigations he even sent her a picture of his penis. >> how are you? >> all right. >> why don't you have a seat right in that chair. no, no, sir. >> on the ground. >> get down. now. >> he's walking up the driveway. >> and here's another man who doesn't realize he's walked into our investigation. this case of a man who calls himself pepe is a first for us. >> hey, pepe, i'm in here. >> do it again. >> hey, pepe, come on in. >> he's 41-year-old jose falcon
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screen name floridainmiami. he's been chatting online with a girl who said she was 12 and a virgin. he lies about his age saying he's 27. he says he has plans to teach the 12-year-old how to have sex. he describes in x-rated detail what he wants to do to her. the picture sent to him is of our actress. now she's trying to get him in the house. >> hey, pepe, i'm in here. >> do it again. >> hey, pepe, are you there? hey, come on in. come on in. >> it takes our decoy a while to get him inside. when she does, i come out. >> all right, please have a seat right here. >> no, no, no. he indicates to me he's deaf. >> okay. can you read something? and then heads for the door. >> looks like this guy's deaf, guys. >> get down, get down. >> as for the rest of the potential predators who do stick around, they're full of excuses. >> i'm looking for work and
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stuff. >> but what will they say they find out they're going to be on national television. >> how y'all doing? nbc? >> red was the color of his shirt. it was also the color of his face. coming up, how will he react when he's nabbed by police? >> i don't need 14-year-old girls, dude. i got all kinds of girls. eth? try poligrip for partials. eth? poligrip helps minimize stress which may damage supporting teeth by stabilizing your partial. care for your partial. help protect your natural teeth.
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i'm milissa rehberger. here's what's happening. the man charged with the dead of shooting at l.a.x. on friday is under 24 hour armed guard at a hospital. 23-year-old paul cincia was carrying a note which officials called a manifesto expressing his discontents. the airport in birmingham, alabama, meanwhile is back open after a bomb threat forced a complete evacuation earlier this evening. the all-clear came about 2 1/2 hours later. no device was found. the white house and top intelligence officials are saying no way to a plea for clemency for nsa leaker turned fugitive edward snowden. snowden is currently holed up in
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russia. an unbelievable story from wisconsin. two planes carrying nine sky divers and two pilots collided today. one plane caught fire, broke up and crashed. 10 of the 11 people on the planes jumped to safety. the pilot of a second plane was able to land it. security was tight at this year's new york city marathon. officers on buildings and towers looked down on runners and spectators as well. now back to "to catch a predator." tonight we're in florida where we rented a home in an upscale neighborhood and set it up with 13 hidden cameras. so far we have seen all kinds of men driving up to the house to meet up with someone posing as an underage teen home alone. now another one is on the way. and soon all of these men will learn what's really happening. they're being exposed on national television. again, chris hansen. >> parking out front. he's out of the vehicle. >> the man in the black hat is
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31-year-old thomas coffen, a self-employed handyman. he's here after making a date online for sex with a girl pretending to be 14. he tells her, "i'm into young girls. i like them better than the older girls." and he goes further, admitting he's done this before. when the decoy types "how long young have you dated, though?" he says "14." >> come on in. i'm in here. i'm just getting changed. i got some chocolate on my shirt. >> trying to find this place was hard. >> online he tells the girl posing as a 14-year-old several times that he loves her. he also makes it clear he's coming to the house to have sex with her. he even sends her a picture of himself naked. hey, how are you? but when i show up, he explained it's all a big misunderstanding. what's up? >> i'm looking for work and stuff. >> looking for work and stuff. >> yeah. >> and what kind of work were you look for here exactly? >> i do blacktop sealing. >> what brought you to this address, exactly?
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did the owner of the house call you for blacktop work? >> no. i put ads out and stuff. >> really? did you bring all your blacktop stuff with you? >> i come down just to look at it. >> just to look at it. do you want to start the story again? >> what do you mean? >> tell the truth. >> i talk to a lot of people. >> so you weren't really here to give an estimate for a blacktop job. >> no. >> that was a lie. >> sorry about that. >> he also seemed sorry he sent that picture. that's appropriate? >> no. >> to send to a 14-year-old girl. he doesn't deny he sent the picture. but does he know it's a possible crime. do you know this is illegal to send something like this to someone you think is underage? do you get that? >> yeah. it won't happen again, i can tell you that much. >> then he tries to explain it all away as one big computer glitch. >> i have shut down my computer and stuff. my computer is messed up. >> your computer. so it just magically typed itself. like a player piano? >> no, it's messed up, i'm saying.
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i have a virus in it and stuff. >> what's messed up is this conversation. what was your intent today, just to baby-sit until she's old enough to -- >> no, just to come over and say hi. that was it. >> how will he explain that online the decoy asked him to bring condoms. and he just happens to have them in his shirt pocket. >> i always have them on me. >> you always carry them in your pocket? >> i sit on them and they end up getting crushed. >> do you see how this looks, thomas? >> yeah, it looks bad. >> and it looks bad for all of the men you've seen walking in our door. >> i don't like myself right now at all, man. >> i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and we are doing a story on adults who meet teens on the internet. like most of the men who find out they've been caught in a "dateline" undercover investigation, this man, the 45-year-old truck driver who made plans online to meet a girl who told him she was 14, has nothing more to say. you're obviously free to walk out that door that you came in. >> i will do that. thank you. >> but he won't get very far. >> get down.
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get your ass on the ground now. >> ft. myers police are ready to make the arrest. >> do everything you're told. you will not get hurt. >> he's taken away in an unmarked police car and brought to a transfer station. >> spread your legs out. >> he's searched, put in another car and transported to jail. meanwhile, back at our house, another man thinks he has his own solution to being exposed on national television. remember the 21-year-old who duped his sister into driving him to meet a girl who said she was 14? >> we're doing a story on adults. >> you do look familiar. >> who try to meet kids on the internet. >> all right. man, i don't want to be on -- on the news, okay. >> we are filming. >> i don't want to be on the news, dog. >> it's a little late for that, dog. if there's anything else you want to tell me -- he quickly comes up with a disguise. and as far as interviews go, this may be a television first. >> all i got to say is, nothing is going on here, dude.
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nothing funny going on here. >> nothing funny going on. >> no. >> if the girl is really 14, i didn't know. >> she told you she was 14. >> we were in a role playing chat room, dude. >> you know how many times i hear that? >> am i being held up here? >> you're not held up. you're free to walk out the same door you walked in. >> you all want an interview? how are you all doing, okay? nbc? >> nbc. >> nbc. and you're -- >> chris hansen. "dateline nbc." >> let me explain something to nbc for a second here. i don't know what kind of rap you all got on people but maybe i can get the whole story. this girl is in a role playing chat room. whose house is this? can i smoke a cigarette? >> no. you can't smoke in this house. you can smoke outside. >> all right, dude. later. >> he decides to go out the front door. >> running to the car. move. >> but that doesn't stop detectives from catching him and placing him under arrest. >> get on the ground! >> all right. man. >> why don't you do what you're told, man? >> and when he shows up at the
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transfer station, police search him, and he keeps talking. >> you all thought it was just [ bleep ]. hey, nbc, two words, role playing chat room, dude. because the girl was role playing, man. >> we checked with perverted-justice and we are told he met the decoy in a florida romance room, not a role playing chat room. >> what's that, for your pedophile thing? >> yeah. >> and the transcripts of his online chats and phone calls were enough for the police to charge him with a felony. >> even after he's placed in the police car, he goes on talking. >> i'm not guilty, man. do i look like i need 14-year-old girls? i don't need 14-year-old girls. dude, i got all kind of girls. >> and he has even more to say when he's brought to the jail. >> nbc again. how are you all doing? nbc. >> it turns out there was at least one thing he said earlier that turned out to be true. >> i happen to know law enforcement.
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>> he has quite a long rap sheet. in 2002, he led police on a high-speed chase in a stolen car. he was also convicted of grand theft in trying to sell the stolen goods. and twice he was convicted of battery. back at the transfer station, police are searching suspects' vehicles. this car belongs to the 31-year-old man in the black hat. he was planning on meeting a girl who said she was 14. >> he had -- some condoms were in there. the address of the location was on there on a piece of paper. so we took all that as evidence. >> this car belongs to the man who ran after spotting our crew. he showed up to meet a girl who said she was 13. >> located the notebook with some address to the target house. cell phone, two condoms, kodak fun saver camera. and three adult magazines.
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>> and this car belongs to the 45-year-old who was too afraid to come into the house and meet a girl who told him she was 12. >> over-the-counter viagra or something. >> what kind of effort did it take for police to handle an operation this big? chief hilton daniels is the man in charge. >> we had 50 something police officers. we had officers from the florida department of law enforcement, and we had attorneys from the state attorney's office directing the takedowns. >> and it was the interrogations, according to chief daniels, that proved to be their best evidence. >> they confessed to exactly what was read to them off the chat logs. >> hello? >> remember this man, michael willis, screen name generic white male? he's the 49-year-old who came to meet a girl who said she's 15. he was the one who threw the cookie. >> you know what, i don't want this cookie -- >> and left. >> i have some more questions for you.
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while he could walk away from "dateline's" interview, he couldn't walk away from detective jennifer ladelfa. >> confessed to everything, that he had solicited her on the internet, stated he knew she was underage and he'd come down here to make his fantasy come to fruition. >> while for some men it might take getting arrested and then being interrogated before confessing, back at the house, you're about to meet two men who admit doing things you won't believe. >> i have nude pictures of her on my computer. coming up -- it's not the first time our next suspects say they've targeted underaged teens. >> how often do you meet underage girls online? >> probably 10, 15 -- >> 10, 15 underage girls you have met online? >> "to catch a predator" continues in a moment. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do.
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he's pulling in the driveway. go out and throw a little wave at him. >> this is 27-year-old eric thorton, screen name balin 79. he drove four hours thinking he was going to meet a girl who told him online she was 14. at one point during the chat he gets on his webcam and masturbates and types, did you see it? the decoy says not really, too dark. and he types back, shoot, and then brags about what he has just done. now he's in our house. >> hey, come on in. >> all right. >> i made some chocolate chip
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cookies and i left them on the table. just take a seat. i'll be right there. >> that's fine. no problem. hmm, these are good. >> you like them? i made them all by myself. i can't wait to see you. >> i know. >> online, he said he would bring alcohol and condoms, so the actress asks him about it. >> what kind of alcohol did you bring? >> i brought absolut citron, i brought mandarin orange, i brought a shot of jagermeister. i got busch. >> wow. >> and i don't know. i can get some more if i need to. >> did you bring condoms? >> uh-huh, sure did. >> with all of that, it sounds like you've got a pretty big night planned, huh? >> yep. >> two different kinds of vodka, brought some beer, and what else? >> that's it. >> that's it. condoms? so what was your plan here tonight? >> my plan?
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just to hang out. >> to hang out. >> uh-huh. >> and you thought it was okay as a 27-year-old to come here and meet a 14-year-old with alcohol and condoms? >> no, not at all. >> then why did you do it? >> because i just thought it was like a good idea. >> a good idea? turns out he says this isn't the first time he's gone after underage teens. how often do you meet underage girls online and set up a visit? >> not that much. >> ballpark it for me. >> probably 10, 15 -- >> 10, 15. have you met them in person? >> uh-huh. >> and what did you do when you met them in person? >> i just -- actually, i didn't really meet them. >> he keeps changes his story. finally, he admits he has a problem when it comes to chatting with underage girls online. >> i've went to counseling many, many times. >> so based upon the fact that you're here to meet a 14-year-old, that counseling
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isn't working out too well, is it? >> not at all. >> it's possible that the counseling isn't working because he says he stopped going about five months ago. did you plan on spending the night? >> yes, i -- i wanted to spend the night, but i didn't want to do anything too graphic until i actually met that person. >> what do you think should happen to you, eric? >> just go home and learn from this. >> but he's not going to get off that easy. it's time to tell him who i am. i'm chris hansen from "dateline nbc." he doesn't run when he sees the cameras. instead he decides to give any potential predator this advice. >> just whatever you do, do not get into underage people at all. i feel regretful. i feel horrible that i did this. >> but that heartfelt speech, those words of wisdom, won't help him this time around. >> police. get down on the ground.
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down on the ground. >> like all of the other men you have seen, he's patted down, photographed, and his car is searched. >> we have beer and this is in his left front pocket. >> and off to jail. most of the men who came to our undercover house were chatting online with decoys for a week or more. >> red pickup is coming back. >> but not this potential predator. he's 48-year-old donald morrison, screen name donni 1957 male. he started the online chat with a girl posing as a 15-year-old at 8:00 p.m. this very same night. wasting no time, he types "i want to meet you and fool around. are you up to meeting tonight, hon?" then he makes a plan to come to her house around 11:00 p.m. >> he's walking up. >> the guy is in the driveway. >> it's now 11:30 and look who is walking up the driveway. >> he's opening the door. >> hello. >> hey, come on in! >> you got a big house.
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>> try one of my cookies. they're so good. >> chocolate chip is my favorite. >> mine, too. >> i make them for christmas. i make about ten dozen of them. >> whoa. why so many? >> because we usually have family in from up north. we had like 14 of us here this year. >> holy cow. >> can i get you a glass of milk to go along with those cookies? >> sure. >> what's going on? >> i don't know. i just was talking to her, and she said come down and visit her. >> just like our other visitor, he admits he has a problem when it comes to underage girls. >> i have compulsions for younger women, just meeting them. i have met about a dozen of them online. >> so this is something you do frequently? >> no, i haven't done it -- actually, i haven't done it since i moved here to florida. >> and where did you live before? >> texas. >> and so did you this a lot in texas? >> uh-huh. >> did you ever get in trouble for it? >> yeah. >> yeah? >> well, i got in trouble because i met a girl in michigan.
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>> how old was that girl? >> 17. >> what trouble did you get in there? >> her grandfather tried to try me with something. they couldn't do anything. so they arrested me for possessing child pornography because i had nude pictures of her on my computer. they ended up dropping the charges. >> how did you get the naked pictures of the teenage girl in michigan? >> i met her in michigan. and i took them. >> you took the pictures of the girl and you put them on your computer? >> on my computer, yeah. they were digital pictures. >> after the 48-year-old asks the decoy online if she's looking for sex, he brings up the possibility that she might be a cop. what made you think this might be a police operation? >> i -- just after seeing all of these things on "dateline." you know, like i said, this is the first time i have done this since i have been here. >> so you've seen all of the "dateline" stories? >> uh-huh. >> what did you think of those stories? >> i thought some of them were pretty bad. i mean, i saw the one where they were coming over for sex with boys and stuff like that, you know. >> right.
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>> and i -- you know, i'm not really into, you know, pedophilia or this might be -- this is probably considered that. and i know this is probably going to be on "dateline," too. so go ahead and put it on. >> well, you know who i am. >> yeah. >> i'm chris hansen. with "dateline nbc." >> i understand. i know who -- i recognize from the voice. >> and everything you just said and done has all been recorded. >> okay. >> and if you have anything else you'd like to tell us, we'd like to hear it. >> i'm just saying, you know, i shouldn't have done it. i mean, this is something i normally don't go out and do. >> i want you to be honest with me. if i wasn't here tonight, and a young girl was who was alone and willing to have sex, what do you think would have happened? >> probably would have happened. >> probably would have had sex? you would have gone ahead and done it? >> probably, yes. i mean, i can say honestly yes, it probably would have if she would have, you know, said, hey, let's go for it. >> and you don't see anything
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wrong with it? >> yes, i do see things wrong with it, but i have a lack of judgment. >> and here's a first. before he leaves, he actually thanks me. >> thank you for bringing -- you know, kicking me in the pants and setting me straight, chris. >> he leaves through the back door and the police are waiting. >> police! get on the ground! on the ground! >> he's taken to the transfer station. >> a box of condoms. >> when he gets to the jail, he goes into diabetic shock. he's taken in handcuffs to the hospital where he's treated and then brought back to jail. the next day, he appears before a judge. >> donald morrison, you're charged with sex offenses against a child. >> your honor, may i ask a question? >> no, sir. >> okay. >> when we return, if you're outraged over what you have seen so far, watching these suspects,
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he's backing out now. >> after conducting four internet predator investigations in four different states, you would think we would be prepared for anything. >> he's getting out of the car.
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>> but what happens here in florida shocks us all. >> oh, no. >> oh, my god. >> he brought his son with him. he brought his son with him. he's got his child with him. >> he's a 40-year-old married man, clifford wallack, screen name fotophix. he's here to meet a boy who told him online he was 14. del from perverted-justice posing as the boy talks to fotophix on the phone. >> he said i like oral or ass sex. i said giving or receiving. he said both. i said cool, you up for that? he said sure. >> coming in the back door. >> holding his son's hand, the 40-year-old walks into the house. because we don't want to scare the little boy, we immediately tell the man what's going on. >> i got to tell you something, and i'm going to tell you this straight up right now. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." >> okay. >> we are doing a story on adults meeting children. and since you have your child
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here, i'm not going to pursue this. >> okay. >> but i think you know what you're doing here, don't you? >> no. i was just coming to take someone to lunch. >> my point is because your child is here, i think it would be best if you went ahead and left. >> yeah, i agree. i will never do this again. >> since the police know the man has his son with him -- >> sir, right there. you come here. you, come here. let go of the child. >> a female officer quickly takes the little boy and whisks him away so he doesn't have to further witness his father's arrest. >> just give me my son, please. >> he's taken away in handcuffs and brought to the transfer station. >> please, i want to stay with my son. >> right now, that's not an option for now. >> i didn't do nothing wrong. i can't feel my hands. please. >> the police contact the boy's mother at work and tell her what's going on and she comes and gets him. >> you want to get a drink? yeah. >> meanwhile, the dad is taken to jail.
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>> turn and make a left. >> photographed and put behind bars. >> and you can find information on what you can do to protect children on our website. just log on to dateline dot msnbc. that's all for now. thanks for watching.
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i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." >> [ bleep ]. >> police. on the ground! >> get down! >> you show up with beer. you show up with condoms. you're naked. there's a 14-year-old girl. you're chasing a cat around. you've got cool whip. >> he's in the kitchen coming toward the living room. >> the issue here is not gay or straight. the issue here is adult/child. >> the one that bothered me the most was the guy that showed up with rope and duct tape. >> you are every parent's worst nightmare. >> suspected predators caught on tape, and one is caught going way too far. tonight, on "to catch a predator." they're online and o


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