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impacts of the shutdown. you can check that out over on our website. a fantastic reporter. you should definitely go check those stories out. and earlier tonight we played a clip of republican annie harris from maryland and mistakenly identified him as congressman tom price. that is my bad. that is "all in" for this evening. the "rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> thank you, chris. on november 4th, 1995, the prime minister of israel was assassinated and killed by a lone gunman as he was leaving a political rally. he was leaving a rally that was held in tel aviv. he was heading toward his car and three shots rang out. two hit him. he was struck in the chest and in the spleen and a few hours later, at a local hospital, he died. he was murdered by an israeli extremist who was angry at him for having participated in u.s.-led peace talks a few years earlier. this is prime minister rabin along with president clinton and the palestinian leader, yasser arafat. after rabin was murdered, world
leaders essentially traveled en masse to israel for his funeral. and it all happened really, really quickly. the prime minister was killed on november 4th. the funeral was held two days later on november 6th. and the world essentially coalesced for the funeral. the u.s. contingent for that funeral in 1995 was enormous. it included not only the current serving president, bill clinton, who was very close to rabin, but also former president jimmy carter and also former president george h.w. bush, three presidents traveling together on air force one for the funeral. there was also a big congressional delegation that went along, including the then speaker of the house, newt gingrich. and that trip to israel for the funeral of rabin in november of 1995, that trip, not the events that precipitated it, not the assassination, but the trip itself, specifically the flight, is in part how we got the 1995 shutdown of the federal
government, which is the last government shutdown before the one we're in right now. quote, gingrich had been invited aboard air force one to fly to the funeral. with a budget crisis pending, he expected that president clinton would take time out during the fight to talk to him about a possible solution. but president clinton, who seemed to be genuinely grieving over prime minister rabin's death stayed up front in a cabin with former presidents jimmy carter and george bush on both the outward-bound and return trips. then when the plane landed at andrews air force base outside washington, newt gingrich and senate majority leader bob dole said they were asked to deplane by the rear door. so three presidents out the front door, everybody else, out the rear door. newt gingrich, a few days into the 1995 government shutdown, told reporters the story of that snub on the plane as his way of explaining why he had to play such hardball with president clinton on that year's budget. quote, i think that's part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher budget
resolution, mr. gingrich said. this is petty, and i'm going to say up-front it's petty, but i think it's human. look at this from the baltimore sun. "gingrich links stalemate to perceived clinton snub," as he has done repeatedly since returning home from the rabin funeral, mr. gingrich railed against mr. clinton's treatment of him. at a breakfast, he said he was insulted and appalled that mr. clinton had refused to invite republican leaders to the front of the plane. mr. gingrich said, where is their sense of manners, where is their sense of courtesy? and thus was born one of the most famous newspaper front pages of all time. this was the cover of the "new york daily news," three days into the 1995 government shutdown. "cry baby -- newt's tantrum, he closed down the government because clinton made him sit at back of plane." and this is not something the press made up, right?
this was the republican's own explanation of why they had to do what they had to do. newt gingrich says he sent the shutdown bill to president clinton specifically because of the bad manners, because his ego was bruised, was he felt disrespected. not realizing how bad that sounded to admit until it landed on the cover of the "daily news" with him drawn in diapers, republicans seemed sort of surprised by the backlash. but the cry baby hurting the country for no good reason narrative, the fact that they were hurting the country, essentially as part of a tantrum over their hurt feelings, that revelation really did help ratchet up the pressure on the republicans in 1995 and 1996. it ratcheted up the pressure so much that eventually they gave in and eventually the government reopened. but you know what, it was not just that one time. and because you've been good this week and because it's been a long week, i'm about to show you something that will crystallize for you, that will remind you in very uncertain terms, very -- very certain terms, why it is that you miss barney frank being in congress.
it was five years ago this week when we were in the midst of a different kind of crisis. we were in the midst of a financial catastrophe as a nation. that's when wall street was melting down and taking the country with it. this week, 2008, it was five years ago this week when republicans in the midst of that crisis messed something up in the house. one of the most dramatic moments in that entire financial collapse was when congress unexpectedly, surprise, voted against a rescue package for wall street to try to stop the meltdown. it was at a time when it seemed like wall street, indeed, the whole financial system, might not be there at all the next morning, unless the government took this action. and when republicans in the house unexpectedly voted down that rescue package, this was the front page of the daily news. the stock market plunged 777 on thes. it was the biggest point plunge of all time. and whatever you think about that vote on the merits, part of why it was so consequential at the time is because nobody
expected it to fail. republicans thought they had the votes. they said they had the votes. they thought it was going to pass. then they put it on the floor, and oops, what happened? this was the explanation they came up with for why they unexpectedly failed. why they could not count their own votes. this is what they said. >> i do believe that we could have gotten there today. had it not been for this partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the house. i mean, we were -- we've put everything we had into getting the votes, to get there today. but the speaker had to give a partisan voice that poisoned our conference, caused a number of members that we thought we could get to go south. >> we did think we had a dozen more votes going to the floor than we had, no more than that, but we think we had a dozen more. unfortunately, too many of our members were already on the floor when they heard that late speech with the speaker. >> see, they would have voted to save the united states of america from financial catastrophe.
they wanted to. but they found themselves unable to cast those votes, because somebody else's speech hurt their feelings. they wanted to help the country. they did. they just couldn't anymore. because their mellows were seriously harshed, seriously. and this is why you miss barney frank being in congress. >> there's a terrible crisis affecting the american economy. we have come together on a bill to alleviate the crisis, and because somebody hurt their feelings, they decided to punish the country. somebody hurt my feelings, so i will punish the country. i mean, that's hardly plausible. and there are 12 republican members who are ready to stand up for the economic interests of america, but not if anybody -- i'll make an offer. give me those 12 people's names and i will go talk, uncharacteristically nicely to them. [ laughter ] and tell them what wonderful people they are and maybe they'll now think about the country. >> "and maybe they will now think about the country."
doing something that you know will hurt your country because you feel personally disrespected, because nobody has stroked your ego enough and complimented you enough and said nice enough things to you and let you use the more prestigious plane door, you know, it's just not a good look. it wasn't a good look in 1995, it wasn't a good look in 2008, and it is not a good look now. behold indiana republican congressman, marlin stutzman. elected to the house in 2010. last night said why it was so important for republicans to dig in their heels and keep the federal government closed. mr. stutzman? >> we're not going to be -- i mean, we're not going to be disrespected. and so that's where we're at today, where we have to get something out of this, and i don't know what that even is. >> "i don't what that even --" why are we shutting down the government? i don't even know! what would it take for you to
allow the government to reopen? i don't even know! i don't even know what that thing is that we need, but it better be something good. we'll come up with something that we want, we just don't want to be disrespected. that's we the government is shut down. when newt gingrich indicated back in 1995 that his government shutdown was the result of him being personally disrespected by president clinton on air force one, democrats and the president pounced. >> mr. speaker, i had a traumatic experience on an airplane monday. i asked for an aisle seat and they gave me a window. the pilot never came back to say hello! >> mr. speaker, please, quit whining. >> indicating the speaker's tantrum is partly to blame for the government train wreck, the president today offered to apologize. >> if it would get the government open, i would be glad to tell him i'm sorry. >> that is what day three of the great government shutdown of 1995 looked like. here's what day three looked like this time around.
>> just yesterday, one house republican said, i'm quoting here, all right, because i want to make sure people understand, i didn't make this up. one house republican said, we're not going to be disrespected, we have to get something out of this, and i don't know what that even is. that was a quote! you have already gotten the opportunity to serve the american people. there's no higher honor than that. you've already gotten the opportunity to help businesses like this one. workers like these. so the american people aren't in the mood to give you a goody bag to go with it. what you get is our intelligence professionals being back on the job. what you get is our medical researchers back on the job. what you get are little kids
back into head start. what you get are our national parks and monuments open again. what you get is the economy not stalling, but continuing to grow. what you get are workers continuing to be hired. that's what you get! that's what you should be asking for! take a vote, stop this farce, and end this shutdown right now! if you're being disrespected, it's because of that attitude you got, that you deserve to get something for doing your job! everybody here just does their job, right? you don't -- if you're working here and in the middle of the day, you just stopped and said, you know what, i want to get something, but i don't know -- i don't know exactly what i'm going to get, but, i'm just going to stop working until i
get something, i'm going to shut down the whole plant until i get something, you'd get fired! [ applause ] right? >> democratic leaders in the senate today said they are willing to offer congressman marlin stutzman and house republicans, quote, a group hug if it will end this republican shutdown once and for all. a few hours later, congressman stutzman walked back his comments and said he had carelessly represented the republican view of this shutdown. anyone who believes it was a misrepresentation of the republican view of this shutdown, raise your hand. anyone? come on. anyone? >> we're not going to be -- i mean, we're not going to be disrespected. and so that's where we're at today. where we have to get something out of this. and i don't know what that even is. you know who you are.
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the crisis now is a government shutdown. the crisis next is a default. if they do not up the debt ceiling, and soon. ahead of this government shutdown, last week, the great ezra klein posited that maybe if republicans got the government shutdown they wanted, that might scratch their itch. if you'd let them have a government shutdown, that might make them less likely to also want to force an economic default, which, of course, would be way, way, way worse than even the shutdown. i think of this as ezra's ya ya hypothesis, as in, let them get their ya yas out and then things
might go back to normal. it does not seem like they're getting their ya yas out. today, john boehner got some headlines, like this one in "the new york times," "republicans say boehner vows to avert federal default." competent headline until you read what his office is actually saying in the article, which is that john boehner won't up the debt ceiling, in the same way that he won't fund the government. seems like what we have got now is a government shutdown. and what is as likely or more likely to be next is that disastrous default that we will encounter when we don't raise the debt ceiling. and i say that not only because john boehner's office says that is so, but also because of this guy. senator rand paul, who now says he has come up with a magical rand paul way to not really have an economic default be all that big a deal. >> the democrats are scaring people, saying we might not pay it, because republicans don't want to raise the debt ceiling. if you don't raise the debt ceiling, what that means is
you'd have a balanced budget. it doesn't mean you wouldn't pay your bills. rand paul says it is all just a big democratic lie, that there would be any bad economic consequences if we don't raise the debt ceiling. he says, essentially, don't believe the hype, it would be fine. why would it be fine? >> we just promise we'll always pay it. if i were in charge, i would say, absolutely, we will never default. >> do you remember when rand paul's dad was going to sneak up from behind and win the republican presidential nomination last year, because the paul campaign had figured out a way to trick all the state republican parties to accidentally having ron paul delegates that they didn't really want? i think this is the same kind of logic. in paulville, it will be fine if we don't raise the debt ceiling and the largest economy in the world goes into default for the first time in history, because rand paul will promise the world economic markets that it will be okay. see? it's fine now. joining us now to tell us the
fate of the republican ya ya thesis and whether or not rand paul is talking real policy or whether this is just some paul family magic is our own ezra klein, editor of the wonk blog for "the washington post," thanks very much for being here. >> good evening. >> so has senator paul found a magic way of not raising the debt ceiling and that not being a real bad idea. >> you said, unless you give me what i want, i will burn down the studio, and i said, that's a bad idea. and i said, while it's burning down, i'll run in and grab all the things of value amidst the chaos, so that will all be fine. that's basically the theory that he's come up with here. if you default on the debt, the government has a payment system, right? that's how we put out our checks as a country and it sends out hundreds of millions of dollars of checks a year. and it's not like somebody in treasury is cutting each one. there's a computer and the only thing the computer is built to do is pay the checks on time. there isn't an option in the payment software, to begin to
pay some of them and not others. so i spoke to mark paterson, a chief of staff at treasury in 2009, '10, and '11 and one of the thing he said is, we have no way to do that. we looked at this back in 2011, and we can do our best, but the likelihood we can make distinctions between payments so we never miss a payment to our interest holders is nuts. and imagine that you are doing that, so you're now saying to the american people, we are paying chinese bond holders but not paying social security recipients. we are paying wall street, but we are not paying out medicare claims. it would be complete chaos domestically too. and the idea that wall street and investors are going to look at us and say, oh, yeah, these are great, we can totally trust them, they're not doing anything at all is ridiculous. >> the fact that there would be controlled defaults in the largest economy on earth. that we would promise to pay the people that would be immediately responsible for whether or not we use the word "default" and
not pay anybody else and then world investors would trust us to keep paying them even though we're not paying anybody else, it does -- i mean, it does -- i feel like it is magic. >> you want to hear something amazing? i talked to a bankruptcy lawyer, an international bankruptcy lawyer, who does these major bankruptcies for countries, for sovereigns, right? so he's involved in greece and other things. he told me that the u.s. bonds, they don't have the things that other countries have. other countries have in their bonds the explanation for what happens if they begin to not pay, right? they have a bunch of rules and who adjudicated it and all the things that happens if the country doesn't make good. we don't because it's all been unthinkable that anything could go wrong. it's a complete mess if something goes wrong, because we're the only country that wouldn't have to tell you what would happen, because of course we would never do it, we would never even put it in danger, and yet here we are. >> last week, ezra, you said a government shutdown might be a good thing because it would allow republicans to vent and venting with a shutdown is better than venting with a default. we are three days into the shutdown, do you still feel that way? >> i do. i wouldn't characterize it as
giving republicans an opportunity to vent, i think it's an opportunity for other to people vent at republicans. what's happening right now on wall street, who are extremely calm about everything. they were like, it'll be like 2011, like early 2013, they'll fight and at the last minute, they'll make a deal. they see an extended shutdown happening, they're beginning to make calls and get nervous. you can see it in the markets already. we're talking to busy ceos who are getting nervous, beginning to make calls already. you have republican congressmen, as you had in the earlier block, saying very dumb things already. you had 800,000 government furloughed workers who are furious and yelling at congressmen already. contractor are beginning to wonder if this goes on five, six, seven days, if they begin laying people off, typically people who run these sorts of shutdowns in the past say it takes about a week for the pain to really be felt. so there is pain. i think it is beginning to stack up and the people who need to weigh in are getting more scared and beginning to weigh in. and i think it is good for the
republican party to face this kind of outcry now on the shutdown in the next week or two, than to have to wait until the debt ceiling. but i should say, i don't think the debt ceiling will be smooth. the fact that i wanted a shutdown as opposed to just going straight to the debt ceiling is not evidence of how well i think this is going to go. i think it's how bad the debt ceiling could have been or still, frankly, could be. >> ezra klein, editor for "the washington post's" wonk blog, ezra, thank you for that. your optimism that we're still going to get out of this is still a little bit out of reach for me, but i do like hearing you say it. it is soothing. >> thank. >> thank you, my friend. i will also say that hearing republicans, like chris hayes had a republican guest on at the very end of his show tonight, just before this show started, and hearing republicans articulate now how great they think this government shutdown is going for them, how they think they're winning, how they think this is awesome. maybe it's true, maybe on fox news and whatever else they watch, they're winning, but the idea that they're really feeling the heat, day don't seem like it. they seem giddy. we'll be right back.
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apparently tried to gain entry into the white house complex at 15th and "e." she was denied entrance and then backed her car out. they pursued her into downtown washington to outside the capitol grounds where the confrontation continued. when the story about this incident broke just after 2:00 this afternoon, it was initially reported as a capitol hill shooting incident. shots fired at the capitol! the two things the we knew first before we knew anything else were, shots fired and a shelter in place order issued on capitol hill, including in the house and in the senate. ultimately emerged that the woman driving the vehicle did not fire any shots. she does not seem to have been armed with anything other than her vehicle. but she used that vehicle as a weapon when she rammed her car into those barriers and ultimately into and toward uniformed officers, shots were fired by law enforcement at her. at least one law enforcement officer opened fire and she was killed.
there was also reportedly a child inside her vehicle, who was removed by law enforcement officials and is reported ly, physically safe. the uniformed officers who were involved in this scary but short incident this afternoon, they have been declared essential enough as federal employees that they were still on the job today and able to respond to this very scary incident. one officer was injured. but if the shutdown goes on much longer, these guys are going to start skipping paychecks. the capitol police and the uniformed secret service officers who protect the capitol, they have been told by their supervisors to start making alternate plans for paying their bills, because they don't know and nobody can tell them on whether or not they're going to get their next paycheck. it all depends on whether or not this shutdown continues to drag on. meanwhile, in the state of louisiana, bobby jindal declared a state of emergency in light of this storm making landfall. it's expected to become a
hurricane by possibly tomorrow night, which is also the time that it is potentially going to paycheck landfall in the gulf coast. a hurricane watch is in effect from grand isle in louisiana to indian pass in the florida panhandle. a much larger area has a tropical storm watch already in effect. now, this, of course, is oil country. bp was the first major oil company to announce that it was evacuating the workers that it considers to be nonessential, who are on the offshore production platforms that are in the path of this storm. other oil companies are expected to follow bp's suit. nobody knows exactly what's going to happen with this storm, when and if it's going to become a hurricane, when and if it's going to become a really big deal or where, exactly, but the experts, of course, on this stuff are the federal emergency management responders at fema. and right now, 86% of the full-time employees at fema are furloughed. at least that was the case until this afternoon when the states of emergency started getting declared and tropical storm karen started flooding parts of south florida and the federal government was able to now
recall to work the fema employees who will help prepare and deliver the expert federal response that is needed to deal with this big oncoming storm. and that's kind of the story of how we're piecemealing it together right now, to try to avoid disaster. we're hoping we can keep up the staffing levels for the police that protect the u.s. capitol building in the event that somebody tries to ram their car through the gates. we're hoping those staffing levels can keep up, even after we stop paying those officers. we're hoping that the disasters that hit, the natural disasters, are big enough and predictable enough, ones you can see coming from a long way off on the satellites, whose information we are still monitoring, so we can get fema back to work in time before anything else starts flooding. we're hoping there won't be a flu outbreak, since the cdc has just canceled its flu shot program. we're hoping that no one really botches a civilian airliner repair job since 300 aviation inspectors are on furlough now. they're the ones who make sure airplanes are being repaired properly.
those inspectors are staying home. we're hoping there's no plot being hatched against the united states that in normal circumstances would be ferreted out by one of our intelligence agencies that is mostly manned by civilian employees, since 72% of our civilian employees in the intelligence community have been sent home. but then there's all the stuff that's not just about closing your eyes and cringing and hoping something really awful doesn't happen miss sthuf that -- there's also the stuff that we have agreed as a country that we ought to do, which we now have just stopped. take, for example, this guy who's a farmer in brighton, colorado. he expected to be harvesting about 110 acres of onions and cabbages on his farm in weld county right about now. but his fields are mess. they're covered with sand and debris, completely destroyed by the flooding in colorado a few weeks ago. when farmers have catastrophic damage like that from natural disasters, we have decided as a country that they should be able to turn to the emergency conservation program at the farm
services administration. it's basically a program that says, it's not in our national interest as a country to lose all our farmland and to have to sell it off for development or whatever because of one-time disasters. if a farmer is hit by an act of god, we have this emergency conservation program, essentially as insurance of last resort, to help farmers save their land and not go belly up because of one bad incident, just because of one catastrophe. we need farmers to still be farming, even when bad stuff happens. farmers didn't decided that they wanted this something. we as a country decided that we ought to have this. this is in our national interests. this is not a controversial program. but farmer dave in weld county is now riding this out alone. no help with the cleanup, no help with the financial hit. the local director of the farm services agency in his county cannot help him because the farm agencies services staff in that county has been furloughed. it's a federal agency. so the local director is not allowed to go to work. he said, we would love to be helping more, but there's not
much more we can do right now. since he has been furloughed, he has instead been volunteering locally to help with some of the flooded homes in town. there are 3,000 kids who have been turned away from their preschool classes already because of the shutdown this week. that number is set to go to 18,000 unless they figure out how to restart the government by tomorrow. this is from mississippi. curtis mcgee of mcgee, mississippi, which is great, curtis mcgee said his 4-year-old daughter, whose named gift, was confused when he told her she could not go to school on tuesday after it was closed to the government shutdown. quote, i have to come up with something like, you just have to wait a few days, mcgee said, but three days into the shutdown, his daughter is still confused, wondering why she is not going to school. she knows this time of year, she is supposed to be to in school. we've done a lot of shows about the veterans administration and the backlog there, this incredible backlog they've been digging out of, for veterans coming back from the wars in
iraq and afghanistan who are applying to the v.a. for their benefits. this unconscionable delays when hundreds of thousands of veterans are waiting beyond months, even years to even hear back from the v.a. about their applications. after veterans groups yelled about that as loudly as they could, for years, and put as much pressure on the v.a. as they could. and the v.a. did everything they could to slowly, slowly, slowly start getting that horrible problem under control, to try to start making problem against it. the backlog this year finally started shrinking. finally, finally, finally the v.a. was table to get that backlog on track to start disappearing. but now, with the shutdown, the v.a. says the size of the backlog is once again growing. after it took them all those years to start shrinking it, the backlog once again has started to grow. if you are a veteran who has turned down for your benefits and you want to appeal it, well, that's an even simpler story. the appeals board for your veterans board is shut down altogether. tas gone. last night on the fox news channel, republican members of congress explained how they feel so far about what they have done
this week. >> this is about the happiest i've seen members in a long time. >> republican members of congress, the happiest they have been in a long time. at fox news channel, particularly on their website, they have not been calling this a shutdown at all, they have been calling it a slimdown, like, it's awesome, like, i lost five pounds the week before prom. congresswoman marsha blackburn explained yesterday that the shutdown was not just worthy being happy about, it was probably good for us. >> people are probably going to realize they can live with a lot less government than what they thought they needed. >> look on the bright side, kid just getting turfed out of preschool. you didn't need preschool. what are you, a communist? it's good for the country. bathed in a conservative media who says this is all no big deal, do not worry about the harm you're causing. you're not causing much harm at all, bathed in that, republican members of congress have been happy, they have been psyched
about what they have done already to the country. the only thing this week that they have seemed upset about at all is the closing of memorials on the national mall, was those memorials are part of the national parks services, which is shut down. yes, voting for a federal shutdown means voting to close those two. closing the world war ii memorial made one texas congressman very, very angry, even though he voted for the shutdown, when he realized that the shutdown meant that that one memorial was going to be closed, he became very angry at a park ranger who was there to enforce the shutdown policy that he voted for. >> how do you look at them and say, how do you going to deny them access? i don't get that. >> it's difficult. >> well, it should be difficult. >> it is difficult. i'm sorry, sir. >> park services should be ashamed of themselves. >> i'm not ashamed. >> well, you should be. >> republican congressman randy neugebauer of texas, berating a park ranger for having to do the terrible job that his vote forced her to do.
how dare she enforce the shutdown that he wanted. she ought to be ashamed of herself. it's like driving your car into someone's living room and then berating them about how messy their house is. yeah, super messy, your car is in the middle of it! after congressman randy neugebauer berated that woman to her face, the vice president personally called that specific park ranger and told her quote, i am proud of you. joining us now, eugene robinson, it's great to have you here. >> great to be here, rachel. >> republicans say they are very happy about this shutdown. the politicians say they're happy, the pundits say they are winning! what do you think of that assessment on their part? >> well, there are republicans and there are republicans. okay? there's the michele bachmann wing of the party, essentially, that is very happy. that, frankly, is out of touch
with reality, certainly out of touch with the reality you were talking about just now, and thinks it's just jim dandy and we'll have, you know, we'll lose those five pounds. who doesn't want to lose those five pounds? but there are a lot of republicans, even in the house, who think this is crazy, who hate this. who wish it would all go away and who, you know, past whom ted cruz should not walk down a dark alley anytime soon. because they're going to jump him, you know? they hate this. but they don't think they can vote to do anything about it at this point. >> why -- what would -- everybody says that john boehner can't wring up the fund the government bill, just plainly fund the government, even though it would get every democratic vote in the house and even though it would get enough republicans to put it over the top, everybody says he can't do that because it would be too politically dangerous for him. why? i mean, i understand that that would make him unpopular with house conservatives, but house conservatives don't exactly like him anyway. >> right. if -- you know, if he's in a
position so precarious that he can't bring this up, then what is he worried about? is it going to get a lot worse for him? actually, it could get a bit worse. they could toss him out and i think that would improve his lifestyle quite a bit. >> he would be a happier man. >> he would be done with this silly job. but it actually isn't that he can't, it's that he won't. he's not ready to, yet. he believes that he can still play out the string and get something or be able to construe the result in such a way that he can tell the tea party members that they got something. and he'll just kind of lump on. >> in terms of the way this pressure is felt on the right and whether or not this gets resolved, there's definitely different perceptions in conservativeland versus the rest of the world, in terms of whether or not they actually feel any heat. but we have had a few moments, i think, that are jarring to anybody, no matter where you are in the spectrum. randy neugebauer berating the female park ranger about how she ought to be ashamed of herself
for enforcing the policy that he voted for. also, marlin stutzman, the congressman from indiana, saying, we just can't feel disrespected, we've got to get something out of this, we just don't know what, the president taking him to task at length for that. do moments like that change the political momentum? >> i think they do, but there hasn't been all that much polling, and maybe you can't put that much stock in it, but as this goes on, i think it's pretty clear that people understand who did this. who is doing this. and people understand, as that number, in head start, goes from 3,000 to 18,000 to who knows what, more people are going to appreciate and feel what this shutdown is going. this is absurd! this is the united states of america and we don't have a government right now. you know, rachel! come on! >> i share your sense that this is absurd. i also see no way out of this. i have to say, i do not see -- i can barely see into the tunnel, let alone the end. >> i am not quite as sanguine as ezra klein is.
we may avoid the debt crisis, the debt limit crisis, but the shutdown -- john boehner, call john boehner and ask him when he wants it to end. >> eugene robinson, thank you, great to have you here. throughout this whole shutdown crisis, there may be only one person in the u.s. capitol has really, really been telling it like it is, to the faces of congress. and they have to sit there and take it without saying anything back. and we've got it on tape and it's amazing. and that's ahead. as a working mom of two young boys
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apart from all of the current drama in washington, right now the other thing going on in politics is that people who want to run for president are quietly making trips to iowa. "the des moines register" is full of stories about local visits from marco rubio, scott walker, scott brown? seriously? scott brown? everyone who is thinking about running in three years is in iowa already, because the iowa caucuses, of course, are first in the nation. that said, iowa screwed up its caucuses this past time, at least they did on the republican side. part of it was that the republicans never said with any confidence this past year who actually won their caucuses, so that was bad. now, though, there are gory new details emerging about the other much bigger problem that they have in iowa. and that problem, apparently, is bribery.
republican politicians paying off iowa politicians for endorsements in the caucuses. the state senate ethics committee filed a 500 page report yesterday which found probable cause that an iowa state senator accepted payment from a michele bachmann pac for being her iowa chair. though that is against ethics rules. though the senator denied the bachmann camp paid him. not only did the bachmann camp apparently pay him, apparently they did not pay him enough. because just before the caucuses after taking off that money from michele bachmann and endorsing her, the same state senator changed his endorsement before the caucuses from michele bachmann to ron paul. yesterday's ethics report confirmed that senator then received a $25,000 check from a senior official in the ron paul campaign. wow. another $73,000 in wire transfers to the senator were found by the investigation to be "deeply suspicious." just hours after that report was
filed and the iowa state senate yesterday that republican senator resigned. but you know what it know it really his scandal. if you think about it. guy who takes bribe, part of the scandal. bigger scandal, republican presidential campaigns have been bribing their way through iowa. the first step on the road to the republican nomination for president. this its not the federal government shutdown. i think this might be iowa shutdown. how on earth can iowa stay first, at least for republicans, if this its what they have been doing with their first in the nation status?
one of the most resonant poetic ways to track the madness of our federal government shut down -- shutdown is to follow where we are, by following prayers of the senate chapman. barry black, a retired rear admiral in the navy, head chaplain for the navy when heap -- he retired in 2003. he was named chaplain. he was chaplain for ten years. on this past week on the occasion of the government shut down. the chaplain has been giving congress what for about them shutting down the government. he does it in a nonpartisan way and succinct. you can see him escalating the browbeating. each new day needs a prayer to start them off. started friday when the shutdown was on the other side of the weekend. >> let us pray, holy god, you created us for freedom.
so keep us from shackling ourselves with the chains of dysfunction. lord, deliver us from governing by crisis. >> deliver us lord from governing by crisis. that was friday. by monday, when they were actually closing in on the crisis, the chaplain stepped it up. >> let us pray. eternal god as our nation stumbles toward a seemingly unavoidable government shutdown, lord, lead them away from the unfortunate dialectic of us vs. them. as they strive to unite for the common good of this land we love. >> but that night monday night they did not unite for the common good of this land weep
love. -- this land we love. shot down. tuesday when it is time for the prayer. he goes ahead and calls them cynics and cowards. >> let us pray. be merciful to us, 'o god, during this legislative stalemate. help our lawmakers to test all things by their conscience in these days that try our souls. strengthen our weakness, replacing cynicism with faith and cowardice with courage. we pray in your holy name. amen. >> replace cynicism with faith, cowardice with courage. that was tuesday.
first prayer of the shutdown in effect you. can sense his momentum building. i cannot imagine what he will say tomorrow if this keeps going on. the key word from today's prayer, included smugness, selfishness, hypocrisy, and unreasonableness. watch. >> let us pray. have mercy upon us, 'o god, and save us from the madness. we acknowledge our transgressions, our short comings, our smugness, our selfishness, and our pride. deliver us from the hypocrisy of attempting to sound reasonable while being unreasonable. remove the burdens of those who are the collateral damage of this government shutdown.
we pray. in your merciful name. amen. >> i cannot get within four octaves of that amen. but if the shutdown need a hero, i think we've got one. nobody is happy about the government shutdown. nobody is happy about a pointless government shutdown. costing the country hundreds of millions of dollars every day. inflicting needless but real harm on hundreds of thousand. soon to be millions of americans. aside from the congressional republicans who say that they're happier than they hatch ever been. nobody is really happy about that harm being done to the country right now. but one man in washington has the cat bird seat, has prime real estate to tell congress every day -- to their faces -- exactly how he feels about what they're doing to the country for what they cannot get over about themselves. and they have to listen to it. they cannot talk back.