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don't black americans have a right to walk down the street without getting mugged by police? aren't we citizens too? that does it for "the cycle." it's time for the joe android show. >> thanks. good afternoon. i am joy reid in for martin bashir. it's monday august 19th. the vineyard vacation is officially over. ♪ >> mr. obama is back in washington. his response to the crisis in egypt continues to come under fire. >> for us to sit by and watch this happen is a violation of everything that we stood for. >> the administration is not signaling any major shift in policy. >> we're going to have a bill in egypt and have to sus. end our aid. >> it shows nothing but american weakness. >> i don't knowian senator paul is so out of wac about this. >> this all started with him say wiig don't have room for libertarian republicans. the party's big enough for both of us. >> stop, question frisk have
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made new york city the safest big city. >> stop and frick is abandoned will, people die? >> no question, violent crime will go up. violence is happening disproportionately enough of minority communities. >> it's a slippery slope. >> like burning down the house to rid it of mice. ♪ we open a new week with the president back in d.c. after a family vacation on martha's vineyard facing questions how his administration will handle two vital concerns to the nation. internationally, there's still a question of how america should respond to the violence against protesters in egypt as well as reports that the military-controlled government may soon release former dictator hosni hugh barak from prison. we'll have more in just a moment. but first, the president returns as d.c. and the nation prepare to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the historic march on washington for jobs and
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freedom. half a century later, the questions about race and criminal justice raised by that march still face the country. including in the form of controversial stop and frisk programs. a federal judge declared new york city's programs unconstitutional last week. however, at a news conference on a major gun bust today, new york city mayor michael bloomberg again stood front and center to defend the practice. >> generally, it's believed by law enforcement people that without this tactic, the bad guys would feel a lot more comfortable in carrying guns. common sense says if you run a risk of getting stopped, you're going to pay more attention to what's in your pocket. >> stops under the program are up over 600% since bloomberg became mayor. with police far more likely to stop men who are black or hispanic. all told, i don't know about 12% of stops result in either a summons or an arrest. the mother of trayvon martin
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told nbc's david gregory this week no matter what the intention of the program, the effects are devastating to the liberties and dignity of black and latino americans. >> i think it's all about laws, and i think you have to give not only civilians but you have to give account police officers the right direction. you can't give people the authority whether they're a civilian or police officers the right to just stop somebody because of the color of their skin. >> let's get right to our panel, charles ogletree is a professor at harvard law school and she lal jackson lee congresswoman, welcome to both of you. congresswoman, i want to start with you. we've had a sweeping denunciation of new york's stop and frisk law by this federal judge and also has eric holder talk about reduce dag mandatory minimums. do you think the tide publicly has turned against stop and frisk types of policing?
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>> joy, it's a pleasure to be with you. certainly my distinguished friend and scholar, professor ogle free, let me remind americans there's a little document i happen to carry around. we call it the constitution of the united states of america. and it is admired by many around the world for its continuity, 80s long lastingness and its far embrace of civil liberties. the fourth amendment says we have the right to be protected against unreasonable search and seizure. and i resent the fact that people will suggest that african-americans don't care about enforcement and security, domestic security. we do. we care about being safe in our neighborhoods. but we also care about justice. what i think is happening as we move into this commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the parch on washington is recognition by president obama's administration listening to members of congress who is have advocated for this for years and
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now general holder who is confronting two issues. let me say this, mandatory minimums overly criminalize the american society. finding more african-americans latinos incarcerated in the federal and state system for minor offenses. so i'm delighted that general holder is building on the bill that i helped advocate for, the equalizing of crack cocaine that the president signed in about 2010, a bill that brought many members of together, republicans and democrats and it combined my bill along with many other bills to come up with a very good compromise, one we hope could have been better. that was moving us toward this idea of eliminating this pressure of mandatory minimums and allowing discretion. then with the stop frisk, i'd say this. if you have a neighborhood in new york where 93 of the residents out of 100 have been stopped by stop and frick you you have to ask the question did
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the impact show and equal to the oppression. what is happening with stop and frisk, it is one to stand up and say we want to be safe, but we want to stop oppression and want to believe in and adhere to the constitution and the fourth amendment. >> i want to go to you, professor ogletree. there was an editorial mayor michael bloomberg wrote in the "washington post." at the end he concluded by saying every american has the right to walk down the street without being targeted by the police because of his color of his skin, race and ethnicity. at the same time, every american has a right to walk down the street without getting mugged or killed. he's attempting to make the points stop and frisk is helping the very communities -- >> the mayor bloomberg is wrong and so is chief kelly. >> i think we might have lost professor ogletree. i'll going back to you, congresswoman, 0en this question. >> how do you balance the notion that the communities most at
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risk for crime are the very communities that bloomberg said are being protected the most by stop and frick and also the communities that feel the most personally u milliated by the practice? >> i find that very conflicting and i have to respect local officials for them having the responsibility to frontline responsibility of scaecuring thr cities or counties. you can't ignore the higher platform, the higher value of the fourth amendment to not being subjected to stop and frisk by suggesting that that element of protecting you against crime is more superior. there are many ways to protect you against crime. for example, many of the results of stop and frick or what they thought would be the result didn't occur. they didn't find a lot of guns on people. in essence, i would like to see enhanced police investigatory tactics and procedures over
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randomly stopping persons or stopping them in their building or stopping them on the front steps. i'd like to see police get resources for investigation. i'd like to pass more enhanced gun laws such as the universal background check. and so i think we should focus on training police, more investigatory measures, combined with where there is behavior that is evidence of a crime or potential crime, then all citizens recognize if your behavior suggests you're doing something wrong but sitting on your steps, not walking down the street, not coming from a 711 with a bag of skittles, that does not require or does not warrant the intrusion of the government into one's life. you can be secure, i'm on homeland security, the committee. i welcome the security of this nation, but i also believe in civil liberties and rights. >> you mentioned the bag of skittals in the trayvon martin case. which ignited a lot of this
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discussion about profiling by police or this idea of profiling civilian on civilian. i want to play something for you the mayor said in his news conference today talking about stop and frisk in a way that's interesting because it raws what president obama said what happened had he had a son. just listen to this and i'll get your response. >> i think if i had a son and that son was stopped, i would have some real questions about it. >> so mayor bloomberg is saying if he had a son and he was stopped he would feel differently about stop and frisk. they're essentially admitting if this were happening to their sons, they wouldn't like it. why can't they take that next step and understand why these communities experiencing don't want it? >> you know, joy, you can't take back words. i'm going to be somewhat optimistic. mayor bloomberg said it. there has to be some sensitivity
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to that particular point. and we have to help local jurisdictions go to the next stop. the federal government has been a partner with local jurisdictions. we've had the cops program. more cops on the beat. we don't run away from it, but we must be the guardian to protect the rights of americans. so the next step then i think that mayor should take is a step around the constitution. you can't -- if a federal court intervened and felt compelled because of constitutional privileges to find this unconstitutional, then they have no other direction to adhere to the constitution and use other tactics to enhance the safety and security of new yorkers, those in california, those in texas, and elsewhere. we can do it. it's also changing behavior. and it's providing opportunities for young people, as well. why don't we focus as local governments on providing enhanced opportunities whether it be recreational, after school jobs. this is what i think attorney general holder has said in his
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major speech that he offered. he wants to look at the overall criminalization and he views it i think from the context that it is burdening one race or races than others. i think that is a fair assessment. >> i want to bring professor ogletree back in. one final question to you. one of the other things that mayor bloomberg attempted to do was turn the criticism back on those who have opposed stop and frick and saying they never raise the concerns about the level of violence in these communities and the deaths of young black man. how do you respond to mayor bloomberg on that one? >> first of all, he's wrongen an so is the commissioner. we've been talking about black on black crime many years, the same kind of concern. our concern is the president said it, the attorney general said it, trayvon martin said it. we have to have a fair system. race is profiling of blacks because they're blacking is unreasonable. and what we're going to be talking about in washington this weekend with the congressional black caucus is that very issue.
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trayvon martin, racial profiling. what are we going to do in our communities to make them safer. i think now is the time for everybody to understand that we have to have this conversation about race. conversation bush administration racial profiling and make it all americans, not black, not white, not brown, not yellow americans. everybody has to have a conversation about race, racial profiling and see if we can put it to an end. >> congresswoman and professor, thank you to both of you. coming up, to aid or not to aid you? we'll go live to cairo next. [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness... accomplishing even little things can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel for my pain and stiffness, and to help stop joint damage. [ male announcer ] enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections.
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this week begins with another
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day of unrest and uncertainty in egypt. it started this morning in sinai where suspected militants killed at least 24 police officers in an ambush neera fa. on the corner with gaza. meanwhile officials admit forces killed 36 supporters of morsi who at the time of their deaths were being held in government custody. a judge in egypt says the country's former dictator hosni mubarak should be set free. mubarak has been detained on a variety of charges dins deposed back in 2011. and joining is now is ayman mohyeldin in cairo. give us a sense of the temperature out on the streets of cairo this evening where you are. ing >> they're certainly throughout the course of the day a lot of anger and emotion. egyptian state television carried live the funeral or the an rival ceremony of those 25 bodies that arrived in a military plane here in cairo. the minister of it interior, the army chief of staff attended
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with a lot of other high dignitaries. it resonates loudly with the egyptian people, particularly those supporting the government in its efforts to combat what they describe as terrorism. so on one hand, you certainly had a very emotional day for those images that were being broadcast across egypt for them to see those types of coffins draped in flags. meanwhile, there was also a lot of anger near a hospital where the bodies of those 36 prisoners were released to the families who allege that the government killed them deliberately as they were being transferred from a police station to a prison. those relatives allege that the government killed them slibrately because they were supporters of the islamist president. so both sides of the divide here very emotional sentiments as both sides grieved for the lost members, or relatives, if you will. >> ayman, the 30-year dictator hosni mubarak, is it even conceivable to people there
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you're talking to that he could be released? >> legally speaking, yes. politically speaking, that's a much higher bar. it's important to keep in mind he has cleared a lot of hurdles in terms of acquittals. he has raised a lot of eyebrows with some of the comments his lawyer has made in terms of his release being imminent in the next 4 hours. but it does underscore something more important about the egyptian judiciary. a lot of people are saying the fact that he can be released that he could walk free from the next couple days is evidence that the egyptian judiciary is rife with corruption, that remnants of the deep state that he once oversaw are trying and slowly coming back into power. they've already freed a lot of his ministers, a lot of people that served under him. he would be one more example. but at the same time, he is not yet going to be cleared as easy as it sounds. he does have a lot of other legal cases pending against him. there is an investigation that
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still involves approval from the general prosecutor. so it's not yet clear whether or not he will walk as his lawyer has been indicating in the next 48 hours. >> a man moi p mo yman, thank y. ayman was describing the feeling of people on the ground that even the potential for pugh barak to be released suggests that regime remnants are coming back. is that your sense? >> that's certainly what it suggests. there would be a tragic poetry to mubarak's release at this time. i think there's a lot of concern that what's happened in egypt has been a churning of different actors that has returned the government in cairo full circle to where we were which is essentially a military dictatorship that is supported by the united states despite repression and police state
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tactics. so there would be something kind i have sadly appropriate about the release of mubarak at this time. i think if the political/military leadership in control of the country right now is wise, this won't allow it to happen because i think they don't want to be seen as just a return of mubarak and the mubarak days which were.extremely unpopular. >> there's a lot of pressure on the white house to take some action here. take a listen to defense secretary chuck hagel and respond. >> our ability to influence the outcome in egypt is limited. it's up to the egyptian people. and they are a large, grast, sovereign nation. and it will be their responsibility to sort this out. >> michael, is that the administration throwing up its hands? >> well, to some agreeing yes but also in response to reality. i mean, it's a candid take on
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the situation. our influence is limited. you know, even the money that we provide, the $1.3 billion in military aid, i believe that was the level that was set more than 30 years ago when we first started spending it, and it's never been adjusted for inflation. it's not worth what it was. it's laut a lot of its value. when you compare it to the more than $10 billion egypt is getting now from regional allies like saudi arabia and the united arab emirates, it's just not -- we're not the biggest player at the card table i guess you might say. so we have some long-time relationships there. particularly military to military. the united states still has prestige and influence around the world. but i think that our influence in egypt and our built to tell people do this, don't do that is diminished and especially relative to the benefactors in the region who are pushing huge amounts of money into the economy there. we're just not at the top of the
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something that is good for our party. >> they don't have a product to sell. they're not rehabilitating. they're retrenching. >> the only person threatening to shut down the federal government is president obama. >> i would rather shut the government down than continue shutting america down. >> a lot of republicans seem to believe if they can gum up the works and make the law fail, they'll be sticking it to me. >> they'd just be sticking it to you. >> nothing is more important than regulatory reform than repealing every word of obama care. >> many republicans are more concerned with how badly this debate will hurt them politically. >> republicans control the house of representatives. they should stand up, use that power. >> one of the big problems with obama care. >> please tell me, what's going on. >> this all started with him saying we don't have room for libertarian republicans. >> my last sunday dinner here. that's what's going on be. >> i don't knowian senator paul is so out of whack about this. >> libertarian republicans care about the right to privacy. >> i have no interest in answering your question.
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>> we care about a less aggressive foreign policy. >> i can go back and forth with you as much as you want. >> i think that will bring new people to our party. >> really? >> they need to be looking to people with new and different ideas who will attract the youth, independent and even democrats. >> you know what? and you know what? and you know what? let me tell you this. >> saying there's no room for us was a big mistake on their part. >> your rear end's going to get thrown in jail, idiot. >> let's get right to our panel and joining us now is democratic strategist and columnist bob shrum andnial malik cac henderson, "washington post." bob shrum, i want to start with you. the whole chris christie versus rand paul, are they trying to get ahead of each other for the 2016 race? >> absolutely. i've been thinking about it ood today. in a way, i think rand paul is the barry goldwater of this race, and chris christie is the fell son rockefeller of this race. we know how that turned out at
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least in terms of primary politics. i'm strongly for rand paul. i think he's an idea did candidate for president for the democratic party. i think he would lose very badly. christie has a big problem. he's very conservative. for example, he pursues the romney economic policies. but he looks a little moderate with these primary voters because he stood next to the president during the hurricane because while he opposes marriage equality, he's for civil unions or at least he tolerates them and he accepted the expansion of medicaid under obama care. he's going to try to flip-flop his way through the primaries. he just vetoed the ban on .50 caliber sniper rifles in new jersey he himself proposed. as this goes on, he may look a lot more like romney than rock feller. >> if chris christie who sort of made his name by bullying teaches on video, if he is considered moderate in this party, is this a party that is in deep deep trouble, at least
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from the point of view of republican strategists in washington? >> they're certainly trying to figure things out now. you hear from strategists on both sides. some people say they feel like chris christie is too moderate, too undisciplined. they bring up tales from his time on the stuff for romney and say he always showed up late. there's already a whispering is campaign going on in washington. some people want to bring rubio back out front. he damaged a lot of his prospects because of his stance on immigration. there is certainly a presue of what area going do see in 2016, a fight for the heart and soul of the republican party. the question for christie is, are people willing to forgive him for what they see him being a sellout to his own party by standing next to president obama. i think he is doing the flip-flop thing. he recently banned conversion therapy in new jersey. but we'll have to see how this plays out.
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he is already beginning what looks like a presidential campaign. he's reaching out to african-americans, latinos in his state. on the other hand, you have rand paul saying he feels like a republican perhaps himself could get 25% of the black vote in the 2016. >> especially after he explains to them that you know the naacp was founded by republicans like that will work. bob shrum, speak of the heart and soul of the party, i have to play this piece of tape because the question of heart i think is a problem for the republicans as they attempt to reboot. and i want to just play a piece of tape for you, congressman scott de jarlly peeking to a little kid who doesn't want her dad to be deported. listen to what he said and reacting >> my dad is undocumented. and what can i do so he can stay with me? >> what's your name? >> what can you do? >> thank you for being here and thank you for coming forward and
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speaking. this is a big intimidating crowd and i appreciate you coming forward and asking your question. will the answer still remains the same that we have laws and we need to follow those laws and that's where we're at. >> bob is sorry, kid, your dad's got to go. is that the way you rebuild the republican party? >> no, it's certainly not. it's typical of that creepy guy who supposedly is an anti--ant choice congressman who tried to get an employee he had an affair with to have an abortion. look, this goes to the deeper problem and that crowd reaction goes to the deeper problem of the republican party. there is just no willingness to accept a reasonable path on immigration reform. and that dooms the republican party as a national party at the presidential level. they can't win without about 40% of the hispanic vote. they're not going to get that. the immigration bill has gone to the house where it's going to die.
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these guys don't care. they're from gerry mappedered district and what they fear most is a tea party primary, not another democratic president. they're kind of hoist on the pitard of their own gerrymandering. >> nia, account politico recent article, it is about the fact that the political incentives at the congressional level are so much different than the little incentives nationally and republicans are succumbing to the former. >> at least some republicans are. people in those gerrymandered districts about it iraqly in the south, they don't necessarily look at this national problem that republicans have in terms of expanding the base of the party. i will say rand paul in one of these back and forths with chris christie said he feels like a libertarians do represent a different ring, that they're younger, even some minorities and even some democrats. i will say in covering his father, some of those rallies
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were filled with younger folks, with former democrats. and more minorities. so he makes a point there. whether or not that would bear itself out in the plos at the ballot box we'll have to actually see. but yes, they have this problem. how do you, you know, how does conservatism relate to how people actually live, right? soapy think in that clip, that are shows a real sort of gap in terms of conservative philosophy and how you can actually apply it to the reality of people's lives. >> unfortunately ron paul also was for allowing people who don't have health care to just pretty much expire. they have to iffism that problem, too. thank you very much. >> all right. coming up, the president returns to the white house and to a hungry press corps. we'll take you to 1600 pennsylvania avenue straight ahead. asional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating?
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call it foreign policy under pressure. president obama is back inside the white house and facing increased calls for his administration to cut off the economic pipeline to egypt. members of the administration saying this afternoon that no decisions have been made yet whether to freeze that aid. instead, repeating that u.s. assistance is under review. >> that review is ongoing and that review is being made in light of actions that are taken by the interim egyptian government. so there certainly are consequences for the actions that are taken by the interim government. >> and joining me from the white house is nbc news correspondent peter alexander. and peter, the critics of the president and the way he's handling egypt principally senators john mccain and lindsey graham say the white house isn't being tough enough. if you threaten to take the aid away, you've got do it or you'll
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lose whatever little leverage you have. given the fact you have saudis and others in gulf states providing money to egypt anyway, does that aid even even give us leverage at this stage? >> that question goes to the heart of the debate across washington right to you. we heard i think secretary of defense chuck hagel be honest about it acknowledging today that the u.s.'s ability sort of to influence events in egypt is in his language limited but the u.s. realizes it canton withdraw from what's taking place in that country right now and trying to use that aid as a lever that it maintains as this crisis continues to play out. right now, obviously, they canceled the military exercises that were to take place between the two the countries. next month, the u.s. said it's considering canceling the delivery of apaches. it's a fine line they're walking right now between a pragmatic approach and perhaps a more ideaistic approach whether they just support the winner, they get on the right side and
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support those who are going to ultimately probably be in charge over there or support the idea of democracy they've been pushing toward with. >> i want to go to a quick question on domestic policy. conservatives are launching another campaign to defund obama care and i want to play some sound of president obama responding to republican critics in his weekly address. >> a lot of republicans seem to believe if they can gum up the works and make this law fail, they'll somehow be sticking it to me. but they'd just be sticking it to you. >> peter, is the notion that republicans would actually attempt to shut down the government essentially over obama care funding something the white house takes as a serious threat or do they see this as just rhetoric from the right? >> i just posed that question to a senior administration official just a few minutes ago. they said we have to take it seriously. a lot of republicans are trumping this very idea there is another tea pate movement taking place right now to defund obama care but some other administration officials will say privately that you know, they're happy to hear the
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voices, eric cantor among them, governor scott walker today said they think it is the wrong strategy to pursue trying to defund obama care for a voter of reasons not the least of which they wouldn't be able to get the 60 votes in the senate specifically to pass a continuing resolution that defunded obama care. that would require having 14 democratic votes and they know that's simply not an option. the white house says it's just bad politics by the republicans. and they feel confidently in the words of the president a couple days ago, that common sense, he said he hopes will prevail. >> the president would never ever, ever sign that. peter alexander, thank you very much. coming up, oh, is the secrets we keep with glenn green wall still at the center of the nsa storm. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually all your important legal matters in just minutes.
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glenn green wald, the guardian columnist who helped introduce the world to edward snowden is lashing out at british authorities after his live-in partner was detained in london sunday. the guardian reports david miranda was returning from berlin to brazil where the couple live and during a stop at heathrow, authors detained miranda for nine hours under the terrorism laws with officials confiscating his electronic devices including his laptop and game console. today reuters quoted green wald as saying britain would be sorry for detaining his partner. green wald responded that reuters sensationalized his comments offering his own version of the interview. in a statement maded to this show, he said "they completely distorted the con dext of my comments beyond all recognition. joining us now, ryan grim, washington bureau chief for the huffington post and jonathan capehart writer for the washington post. welcome to both of you. i want to go first to ryan. green wald, his longer tweet
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about the reuters interview was parafriesed. we don't know what was said. i want to read one part of what he said. he said in the reuters interview i have many more documents to report on including once about the uk where i'll now focus more. i will be more aggressive, no the less in reporting. essentially, is this a sort of threat essentially saying you know what? you did something i don't like and now i'm going to take it out on your government? >> well, what he was saying is that he was going to do this anyway. but now he's going to redirect his energy towards the british documents. he has documents that expose surveillance and other you know, alleged wrongdoing in the united states and britain and russia and china all across the world. and so now he's saying he's going to prioritize britain after they detained his partner. >> ryan, is that sort of typical journalism? one of the things green wald tried to do is assert himself as a journalist in the finest
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tradition of journalism but it does sound like he's saying i'm going to take punitive action here. that's not what he said in his buena vista interview with reuters. he said you did this to my participant and now i'm going to really direct my efforts at britain. >> green wald, what's not in the tradition of traditional journalism. he's never really claimed to represent traditional journalism. he is a type of journalism that has a long tradition, especially in great britain where kind of you know, the more adversarial approach is quite common and is mainstream there. that's always been green wald's style. it worked for him in the sense that he got these ed snowden documents because he was so outspoken in his support of civil liberties. so you know, he's the one that is internationally acclaimed for that. it also comes with tons of draw backs because he has a ton of enemies in the journalistic world, david gregory openly asked him you know beak why
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aren't you in prison. and you know, so it does cost him support and it costs him some capital. but he's following the style that he has had his entire career. >> jonathan, are you at all troubled by the situation here on either side? on the one hand, you had david miranda detaineded. he wasn't just on vacation in britain. he was meeting with one of the other journalists the guardian writer who participated in exposing the snowden secrets. so he was there acting in sort of a journalistic capacity himself. are you, i don't know, are you troubled by that, or are you troubled by green wald? it is a sense he's saying look, i'm going to take punitive action here. that is not typically the way journalists can what to report and what not to report. >> right. i think ryan hit the nail on the head in sort of describing glenn green wald. is he adversarial. he's rather acerbic. to say because something happened to his partner he's now
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going to focus more on britain, that's not the way we work. but he's not a traditional journalist, one. with regard to david miranda, look, what happened to him is troubling in that you know, here's this person who we had not heard about before who we didn't know was a part of this story. all we knew when the story broke was that he was glenn green wald's partner and being detained just because. now we find out he was going over to berlin to i guess he was acting as a courier between green wald and the fellow, his fellow reporter in berlin. that makes him more a part of this more a part of this story and you know, trying to figure out, okay, what exactly what is his role. it does now knowing this store the of now explains why the british authorities took his thuv drives and his laptops and his cell phones and his game console, but still, when you look at the british law and how
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vague it is, you do have to wonder if the british government was seeking retaliatory action. what they've done now is stirred the ire of glenn green wald and they'll soon find out i think what other secret documents he has that could cause them more trouble. >> we are in the age of punitive journalism. ryan, i want to play you some sound because this is what the story is the about, right? there was a recent report in the "washington post" about the error rate among the nsa and peter king characterized it this way. listen to this and respond. >> no, there is not a problem. it worked. if you have 99.9% compliance and self-reporting errors, these came from an internal report which then becomes part after overall ig report. i'm on the intelligence committee. i am satisfied we are told what the nsa is doing. >> ryan, what is the seriousness of this latest report? >> that's troubling to people is the lack of transparency.
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if the nsa is doing perfectly fine and that these errors are nothing to worry about, then tell the public about these errors and explain them to the public. you know, their power to do this comes from the public. they're more responsible to them than they act like they are. >> tilled add probably some people are troubled also by the fact we now have green wald deciding what to declassify. thank you very much, to ryan grim as well as jonathan capehart. thank you both. >> we'll be right back to clear the air. [ dennis ] it's always the same dilemma --
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congestion, for it's smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the busses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution to the earth. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment. this week, we at bashir live and msnbc will be talking a lot about the march on washington. it would not be possible to underestimate the power of this image, reverend mart din luther king junior speaking in the shadow of the lincoln memorial. that image is powerful and historic both in its own right
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and because next wednesday, the man standing at that very spot will also be an african-american and a national leader but he will be the president of the united states. that's something the people who gathered at the national mall 50 years ago cog scarily have imagined and something many in this people couldn't even imagine in 2008 when barack obama was running for the democratic nomination for president. 50 years ago in, 1963, this was a very different country. in many april of 1963, dr. martin luther king jr. sat in a jail cell in birmingham where he and leaders like ralph abernathy were pushing for basic freedoms for black citizens over the objection of southern seg gragrationists. bull conners released dogs on children in birmingham and in june, george wallace kept a campaign promise promise to stand in the schoolhouse door to block weigh called the unwanted and forced induced intrusion upon the campus of the
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university of alabama by black students wishing to get an education. president kennedy delivered his landmark speech on civil rights in the june of 1963 and by midnight that same night, world war ii veteran med ger evan who's fought at normandy was assassinated in his own driveway in mississippi. we were a very different country. the original march on washington for jobs and freedom which took place august 28, 1963 was a call to action, not just to citizens of all colors who were concerned about civil rights but to politicians. in fact, the original march was mainly directed at little leaders in congress and in the white house to follow through on president kennedy's push for a civil rights bill which passed the following year. 50 years later, the supreme court's conservative majority including its lone black member have gutted the voting rights act passed two years after the march in 1965. states are rolling back access to health care for women and the working class.
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it's under constant attack. we are a different country but still have a fight 0 our hands. so when you watch the coverage commemorating the march remember the call to action is political because it always has been. thanks so much for watching. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. hillary's ahead of schedule but who is driving the bus? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. notice news tonight, hillary clinton way ahead of schedule. suddenly it's as if he's she's the next president even if obama is still president. but wait. wait a minute. it wasn't supposed to be like this. the hillary bandwagon wasn't set to rumble till after the 20 14u9 elections till the forces were organized and ready to make their kick.


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