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around to baby-sit anymore. when your nuclear weapons handlers are failing consistently, something really needs to change. there is a lot of places that can endure failure, nuclear weapons handling is not one of those areas. that does it for us, we'll see you again tomorrow night. now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell, thank you for joining us. the egyptian government announced the state of emergency tonigh tonight. >> the missions between the protesters. >> we begin with the violence in cairo. >> the egyptian forces used live ammunition and security gas. >> it began with the police breaking up the protesters. >> you have the resignation of the vice president. >> this is already an embattled interim government. >> now we have a state of emergency. >> this is the scenario panning
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out. >> it has already been a busy morning. lots of breaking news, the hostage standoff in rural louisiana ended. >> today, i manned up and tried to accept responsibility for the error of my ways. >> we have to promote a plan for the future. >> the rnc is kicking off its summer mission. >> what do we expect to hear from them. >> the party that gets on television and puts a smile on your face. >> they will hear from gingrich today. >> the ability to repeat the lesson you don't understand. >> we haven't won a presidential race in 24 years. >> where did the airplane actually crash? >> the massive u.s. cargo plane crash. >> it is already a very busy morning, lots of breaking news, but we begin with the violence in cairo. egyptian security forces
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killed at least 200 people today in a crackdown against protesters supporting the ousted president, mohammed morsi. many more are wounded and more than 2,000 injured. there is a government-enforced curfew in cairo. and ten of egypt's parliament -- they declared a one-month state of emergency suspending the right of trial or due process. secretary of state journey kerry condemned the violence. >> the path to violence leads only to greater instability, economic disaster and suffering. the only sustainable path for either side is one towards a political solution. i am questioned from my conversations today with a number of foreign ministers, including the foreign minister of egypt, i am convinced that that path is in fact, still open. and it is possible, though it has been made much, much harder, much more complicated by the
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events of today. >> nbc news richard engel is in cairo and joins me now. richard, has the curfew that has been imposed restored order? and what happens when the curfew is lifted in the morning? >> reporter: cairo has a very odd feeling right now. our bureau, which is where we are doing this report, is right on the nile. and normally it is full of boats. people going back and forth. traffic, this is a city of 18 million people. you could hear a pin drop here tonight. that is not the case in several of the more rural areas where people have been going out, openly defiant of the curfew, holding protests in favor of the ousted president, mohammed morsi. tomorrow, the curfew is expected to expire. it is not clear if there will be more violence. there certainly will be more clashes, but the real concern is what happens on friday, friday traditionally the day of
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prayers, when people come out. they express their emotions. i expect there could be demonstrations on friday. and that could be another round of violence. perhaps not like the round we saw today, but it could be more. i don't think this country is out of the woods yet. >> richard, how much warning was there that this crackdown was coming? >> reporter: there was really no warning. there was and there was not. there was warning because the government has been talking vaguely for weeks about no longer being tolerant of the muslim brotherhood. that it pushed away from the camp, and then backed away from it. and then early this morning when you woke up and opened the newspapers here they said there will be no crackdown. that there are still going to be negotiations. and that is what people thought when they woke up in cairo this morning until they saw the troops and police roll in. egypt is unraveling.
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its hope of democracy obscured behind tear gas and bullets. at first light, egyptian security forces which ousted the elected egyptian president, mohammed morsi, moved in to finish the job and break up two camps of protesters who demand that the former president be reinstated. bulldozing into the area at cairo university, it was over quickly. but at the other protests, they held fast. security forces fired on them with tear gas. and then automatic weapons. egyptian security forces here are clearly using live ammunition. they are firing into the sides. there is a front line of the position between protesters and security forces all over cairo. and this one looks like it is about to get very ugly. a 37-year-old customs broker guided us through the street,
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warning us of government gunmen. already two journalists have been killed. >> take cover to take the picture. >> reporter: are there snipers trying to shoot? he said he came here because he believes his boat was stolen. >> we're fighting for principles. the president we elected, okay? the government -- the muslim brotherhood -- >> reporter: he showed us a field hospital. chaos. they don't know how many have been injured, let alone killed today. this man was shot in the upper thigh with a live round. some of the injured are being taken to hospitals. others are just being treated on the ground. but there is more to this story. police uncovered ammunition hidden in coffins in a protest camp. and video from an egyptian newspaper shows demonstrators armed and firing. protesters pushed the armored vehicle off a bridge. five soldiers were inside.
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today may be just the beginning. the islamic extremists who backed the muslim brotherhood burned churches and attacked the government buildings nationwide. a close ally today tried to crush the muslim brotherhood. it is unclear if the iron fist will work. >> richard, does the egyptian government have a next move? or are they just going to try to impose their will as a result of the state of emergency? >> reporter: well, i think they are going to try and impose their will. you have to also understand this is part of an 85--year-old battle between the egyptian military, the nationalist state and the islam is muslim brotherhood. this has been a deadly battle. today was a very violent chapter. the muslim brotherhood was banned for decades. it was banned under nassar,
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oppressed hosni mubarak. now they are backed by the military, moving in and pushing out the muslim brotherhood. and now i think we'll see a continuation of this kind of policy where the brotherhood is considered now an illegal organization. it has been described in the egyptian media as a terrorist organization. there is a strong campaign under way on state television and newspapers to discredit the brotherhood. and i think you will see the campaign playing out over this next month, now that they have a state of emergency in place. which means they can arrest people. they can put -- they can do more searches and seizures in people's homes. they can detain people for longer. and i think it would be very clear that there is going to be a campaign against the brotherhood. >> richard engel, thank you for joining us tonight with your in valuable and brave reporting. thank you. >> my pleasure. joining me now is richard
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wolffe, and former ambassador, middle east policy adviser to president clinton. ambassador ginsburg, how can the united states find its way through the crisis period? >> actually, the only way is with other allies. because the united states standing with the dominant force in egypt, the military heads up the -- for all intents and purposes, the government who ordered this crackdown has publicly ridiculed the united states government. as dismissed the emissaries were sent packing by the egyptian government and in effect, told not to return. so the standing of the united states right now on a bilateral basis is about as low as it can get. >> let's listen to what john mccain and lindsey graham said about this a couple of weeks ago. >> oh, my god. i didn't know it was this bad. these folks are just days or
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weeks away from all-out bloodshed. >> do you think egypt might fail? >> i think it might. i wouldn't be here if i didn't think that it might. and i think the events in the next few weeks will determine that. >> i'll go a step further, i think it is going to fail if something doesn't change. and to the american people, failure in egypt matters to us. >> richard wolffe, there they were in egypt. and they certainly had the feeling this was coming. >> yes, and they were right. and richard engel has been very foresighted in his reporting, as well. you know, lose egypt is not a small thing for any administration. and president obama looked at the egyptian situation when it was first a relatively simple question of the ousting of hosni mubarak. they wanted to be on the side of the situation, although it is
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not as bad in syria, although the choices are between the bad side and the worst side. and the more clarity of the hosni mubarak choices has completely gone here. it is a very, very difficult set of choices for the obama administration. >> and ambassador ginsburg, the choice of what to do about the continued flow of aid from the united states to egypt. >> let's be clear here. the $1.3 billion in aid, and what the military did as a coup, or to revoke it as a result of these clashes that are taking place, that didn't seem to dissuade the military from acting. and let's also understand our leverage because of that aid is minimal. and among those of us who understand the dynamics of what we call real politic in the middle east, there is significant egyptian popular support for what the government has done here. so let's understand that.
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secondly, it is important to also understand that from a geo-strategic perspective, we need the egyptian military more than the egyptian military needs the united states aid right now. and we we don't provide the people in qatar, the egyptian ambassador will step in to fill that void. their counterterrorism support in north africa, the stability they represent, the peace treaty with egypt, these are very essential elements of a government -- that led by the military will also wind up standing up to iran and suppo supportisuppor supporting us in yemen against al-qaeda. so the egyptian military plays a very important role for the united states in the middle east and we can't lose sight of that.
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>> richard wolffe, i read a comment by somebody in egypt today who is actually on the morsi side of this protest. but saying that he believes that the way it works for the western government, especially the united states, is that in the end they side with the winners. >> well, that is true. and they side for stability. whether they perceive it as stability, this is a patent for democracy, you only have to look at gaza, where they decided the outcome was not much to their liking. this was entirely predictable. and the hard thing for the politics is that just where the morsi opponents were gaining traction, now you have these kinds of massacres where the politics becomes even messier. how can a foreign government negotiate its way through that? not just directly, but with
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those foreign -- foreignlations, it is extremely hard. >> ambassador mark ginsburg, and richard wolffe, thank you for joining us. good to be here. coming up, olympic gold medallist greg louganis will be here. and the republicans are still trying to re-brand themselves. and today for some strange reason they tried to do it in the very same boston hotel where mitt romney delivered his concession speech in the last presidential election. my asthma's under control. i get out a lot... except when it's too cold. like the last three weekends. asthma doesn't affect my job... you missed the meeting again last week! it doesn't affect my family. your coughing woke me up again.
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to go, in a reasonable, intelligent, fearful way. >> that would be chairman of the republican party dreaming out loud today about the republican party that he would love the lead. a republican party that would make his job a lot easier. reince priebus did his public dreaming in boston today, where mitt romney discovered he was never going to be president on election night in 2012. newt gingrich offered this advice to republicans, which of course, republicans have no chance of following. >> we have to get beyond being anti-obama, and we have to convince people you can have hope in america. >> joining me now "the washington post" eugene robinson and abbey huntsman, abbey, you understand these republicans better than i do. >> i try my best, it is tough. >> they must have gotten a
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fantastic deal on that hotel to decide, let's go to boston, which like in its history has never voted republican, certainly not in my lifetime voted for a republican for president. and let's go to the hotel where mitt romney had to face his loss. let's just drink in the misery of that hotel as we try to figure out how to what? not be the mitt romney party anymore. >> i think some of their thought processes were, they thought about this meeting during the boston bombing. interesting thought, though, from reince priebus saying unified. i think that is the exact problem for the republican party. look, nobody should expect by friday a more re-energized republican party. i think this is their usual annual summer party. what they're really focusing on is two areas, the voter out reach, republicans have lagged pretty far behind democrats over
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the past two election cycles in both of these areas. but look, you can have the best voter outreach of any organization. you can have the best twitter feed. but if you don't have a cohesive message, a narrative that can speak to those in the party, i think that is the problem. so i don't think that will even matter at the end of the day. and that is the biggest challenge. i can't tell you how many times i get asked, not only are you republican but which part of the party do you align with? the tea partieser, the establishment, are you a moderate? and that is the issue. i hope whoever is headlining the lunch tomorrow speaks to this. that is going to be their problem, not voter outreach and not technology. >> eugene robinson, do you have a time limit as to when the republican party will get beyond
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being the anti-obama party? >> well, let's see, the day obama leaves office, and i'm betting not even then. look, this is like a journey, this segment is a journey to some fantasy land, because listen to reince priebus's list of wishes. the republican party does not have an alternative to present. it is not unified. and it certainly is not coming across to voters as cheerful or reasonable or any of the things that he said. so maybe he wants to be chairman of some other party. but that doesn't sound like the party he has got. >> yeah, i mean, his description is exactly right. those adjectives are where you want your party to be, but they're not where they are. let's listen to the judge's ruling on stop-and-frisk. >> judges who are totally safe can make really stupid rulings, and the number one group that will get killed are black males.
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the number two groups that will get killed are latino males. and so i think you can have a very positive campaign on public safety. and you can word it in a way that it really relates to people who are in deep pain who have no one who will talk for them. >> abbey, that is newt gingrich suggesting the republicans can speak for young black men who are threatened by both crime and stop-and-frisk policies. >> what you are seeing from newt gingrich who actually came out in support of attorney general eric holder. it is a side of newt gingrich that i have not seen before. i think he is trying to speak to a message that is more progressive. maybe it is more appealing to the electorate. the minute you say anything along the lines of trying to be more moderate, i think people are very quick to judge. it is going to take some time for us to be taken seriously. and newt gingrich, give him a
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little bit of credit. he is trying there. but it is a tough position to be in. >> now, gene, i promised you i would show you video of any other republican up there in boston today even trying to think new thoughts and phrase new sentences the way newt gingrich always does. but newt gingrich was the thought leader of the republican party 25 years ago. they have long gaps between thought leaders, apparently. >> well, i guess they do. i agree that you got to hand it to newt. he keeps throwing them out there, and eventually he will take every side on every issue that you could think of. but look, the alternative to republican orthodoxy is rand paul. and that libertarian wing of the party has many ideas that the rest of the republican party considers dangerous and wrong and even disastrous. so they're not quite ready to
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present that as the alternative yet. it is going to take this party a while. >> i think you're exactly right, until you have somebody leading the ship, i don't think reince priebus is somebody that needs to be doing that, until he has somebody that can lead the party and bring them forward i don't think you will see much change for a period of time. >> abbey huntsman, and eugene robinson, thank you for joining us tonight. coming up, a front page story today about the problems in the clinton family foundation. and next, olympic gold medallist greg louganis will join me to talk about russia's anti-gay laws and the olympics in russia. [ female announcer ] stress sweat smells the worst. and secret clinical strength gives you four times the protection against it. secret clinical strength. bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles
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. in the spotlight tonight, russia's anti-gay laws and the 2014 winter olympics. this week, russia's interior ministry confirmed that yes, russia's new anti-gay laws will be enforced during the olympics. the committee said they were asking for assurance from the russian government that the anti-gay laws will not be enforced during the olympics. having failed to get that assurance, the olympic committee now seems to be issuing its own veiled threat to the athletes. they state that the olympic
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games are not a place for proactive religious demonstration. this rule has been in use for decades. olympic diver greg louganis did not compete in the 1980 moscow games because the united states boycotted in protest of the soviet union's invasion of afghanistan. joining me now, greg louganis. here we are again. russian olympic games, another big problem. >> yeah, you would think that the ioc would learn its lesson. >> yeah, and listen, i'm concerned about that statement from the ioc. because i want to show what happened at the 1968 mexican games, which a lot of people will remember. i think we have a picture of tommy smith and john carlos, just raising their hands. and they were punished for that. they didn't say a word. and that was considered by the ioc a sort of political demonstration. they were not stripped of their medals. but their credentials were taken
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away. they had to leave mexico city. what is the ioc going to consider a political speech in this case? >> i have no idea. but also in the olympic charter, the principles are anti-discrimination. and it is very clear, what we're asking them to do, the athletes, is to follow the charter, you know, follow your own charter. and principle 15 is to educate about various cultures. and i'm sorry, i come from a culture of free speech. so it is really absurd. we won't know until we get there. >> let's assume that the situation was where there is a gay, an american athlete who is gay and who is married, wins or doesn't win and just competes. and afterwards, he decides as many of them do, the athletes, to kiss his spouse. is that a suspendable offense in
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the ioc's eyes as a sort of political statement? >> i have no idea, i'm not the ioc. >> but aren't they kind of creeping up towards that here? >> it is, it is sort of trying to manipulate people's behavior. but what we're saying is you have to follow your own charter. and it does state very clearly, you know, to not discriminate. which these new laws do. i mean, they single out lgbt individuals, and our youth. and the thing that i'm concerned about, i mean, there are gay kids born in russia every day. and if we don't have a presence there, what kind of message is that sending those gay kids? you know, we have johnny weir who is out and open about who he is. we have blake, from new zealand, short track speed skater. he is out and open who he is. there are -- you know, walking
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propaganda as it were. you know? but they are individuals. where is the ioc going to stand up and stand up for them. >> and what about -- the ioc seems to be concerned about nothing but don't bother our athletes. they seem to be absolutely no concern about what happens to russian gay people the day before the olympics arrive, and the day after the olympics leave. >> well, that is reason why we're really pushing in athlete ally, is that wake up, you have an opportunity in september when you, you know, designate who the next olympics are going to be going to. and i know madrid, spain is one of the candidates. and they're very open and very accepting. and so you know, do the right thing. take the olympics so where the olympic ideals and the olympic
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movement can thrive. >> there are two candidates running for president of the ioc, and this is an issue where they say this is the kind of thing that has never really arisen. >> well, it is a very important, special thing for all the athletes and citizens all over the world. it is unfortunate that we have had the olympics where, you know, we were in beijing. they don't have the greatest human rights history. you know? so -- and here, i mean, it is so blatantly staring us in the face as to what is happening to the lgbt kids in russia. >> gregory, are you still accepting congratulations on your olympic medals? i'm a little late.
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thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. coming up, in the rewrite, the dark ages of science in america. [ tires screech ] [ beeping ] ♪ [ male announcer ] we don't just certify our pre-owned vehicles. we inspect, analyze and recondition each one, until it's nothing short of a genuine certified pre-owned... mercedes-benz for the next new owner. ♪ hurry in to your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for 1.99% financing during our certified pre-owned sales event through september 3rd. the school year has everyone out of the house, so help protect your home with adt.
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. a conservative group that wants obama care de-funded is trying to convince republican lawmakers that shutting down the government won't hurt the congressional candidates in 2014. they showed a temporary slowdown if the president would at least agree to slow the implementation of obama care. but 52% of those people polled actually favor keeping obama care. that kind of voter confusion has made it difficult for republicans like tom cole to explain to his constituents what shutting down the government really means. >> we'll see what happens in september when we get back. but my instinct, it won't be popular. what do you tell the people you're inconveniencing? most of the people are not thinking, why would you shut down the national weather service and just save a whole
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lot of lives, by giving a 16-minute warning instead of two? you know, why would you put 16,000 families out of work at tinker air force base? they're giving this country everything they possibly had in its darkest moment. and say, "sorry, there is not going to be anybody here showing up to fix your meals or look after you or do the commitments we made." i don't think you usually achieve your end. i think they wonder why you did that to them. >> up next, a special guest rewrite. ring mail, medicine and packages, yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service and want to layoff over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses, but not for reasons you might think. the problem? a burden no other agency or company bears. a 2006 law that drains $5 billion a year
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tanks of car done dioxide. sam stein takes us to that piece, in a report for the mandatory reading for anybody concerned about the progress of science in this country, and therefore, the world. inside these incubators, the doctor stores cultures that he believes holds the key to a massive advancement in health care. he has identified the specific strands of the molecule that plays a large role in gene expression that are responsible for promoting the formation and fusion of muscular tissue. the implications of such discovery are interesting. people who suffer from diseases like md would have easier treatments. if you can find ways to manipulate this muscle process, it would do a huge amount for
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human health. the doctor says, the biggest problem going forward for dr. dutta, it is not the challenge of this extraordinarily difficult laboratory work, the problem is paying for his research. dr. dutta told sam stein, i am living off fumes. joining me now is msnbc contributor sam stein. now, sam, as you know, the rewrite is a segment of the show i usually do alone. but when i read your piece this morning, i thought it was so important we needed to get it in the show tonight. and we'll need your help with it. tell us why the scientific research like this in this country is not being funded at the levels it needs. >> well, first of all, thank you for doing this segment. science has been deprioritized because of sequestration. now we're back at 2007 levels
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because of sequestration that reduced about 750 grants that they could have given to scientists across the country. and basically, you're left with the potentially promising progresses like dr. dutta was doing. when he initially tried for the grants, 98% of them, he bested them. this time around he can't get funding. what we'll end up happening, in ten year's time, we'll see the consequences of them. you won't see the consequences in the next year or so. it is when we don't discover the cure for diseases that it is a bad investment. and the result is health care costs will be incurred because of the lack of scientific breakthroughs. >> sam, you have committed yourself like nobody else about what is happening in the
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sequestration stories. where most of us would not see the impact in our lives. i kind of deliberately kept the word sequestration away from the subject until now. because i wanted people to be drawn into what is really happening here. and this kind of untold story, except by you, of what is really happening with sequestration in this country now. >> yes, sequestration is a very wonky budget word that turns people off. >> let me just say, sam, it has been until you started reporting on the real human effects of it. and the story you tell today about what is happening in the laboratories and the way some of the experiments are closing up is very vivid. >> thank you, and i think part of the reason we don't hear more about it is because a lot of the costs are not being felt in real terms. so what is happening now, a generation of young scientists are not going to enter the field. or they're going to go to other
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fields or go to other countries. i talked to an aids researcher who has been doing amazing work. his lab will be closed. he is talking to people in china because he wants to continue his work. this is a guy who is going to be doing cutting edge research on how hiv viruss mutate, and essentially, how it has been found in soybeans. he will take his work and move to china. all the researchers will go with him or elsewhere. so the costs, we're not seeing them now but they will be later when you have a generation of would-be scientists who are working in germany or elsewhere. >> and real science can't fit itself within the budgetary windows, the 12-year windows. real science stake takes place, have to know there is a window
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of research. >> it takes years and also takes risks. one of the interesting pushbacks on the articles today come from people who say the budget is still $28 billion. that is a lot, more than what any other country invests, but the problem is, if america wants to continue to lead in investing in science, they have to continue their budget. and if we cut the amount of projects that we fund, we are not going to find the needle in the hay stack and the way to make the big discoveries, you have to make the investment wider. >> not the mention the expenditures over a wide variety. sam stein, very important report. thank you very much for joining me tonight and rewriting america's idea about what is really happening in sequestration. >> thank you. coming up. the "new york times" reporter who co-wrote the front page
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by the way, the "new york ti times" website is still down. it has been hacked. i think it is a safe bet to say
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that the reason the times has been hacked is that they have a story that exposes the clinton global initiative. the clinton charity. it exposes it as something really wrong with this thing, is their point. >> that was rush limbaugh's wild interpretation of a front-page times report on the clinton foundation. the times reports, how they try to juggle the political ambit n ambitions of a president and their increasingly visible daughter. they ordered a review of their functions which has been conducted by the law firm simpson. according to "the times," the review found that for all its successes, the clinton foundation had been a sprawling
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concern, vulnerable and threatened by conflicts of interests. it ran deficits for years, despite vast amounts of money. it made the way for hillary clinton to literally move into the manhattan foundation office this fall. according to "the new york times" the clinton foundation brought in more than $214 million in revenues last year but it ran more than an $8 million deficit, deficit, in the red. today, rush limbaugh previewed how karl rove's impact and many others will be using "the times" report and distorting it when hillary clinton's campaign gets under way. >> the new york times has for some reason done an expose on
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the foundation. they have ripped the charity in the new york times. i'm telling you, not to make a big deal out of these things, but there are a lot of little things starting to align. is rush limbaugh editing this piece, that is in the new york times essentially points out that you know, this thing is losing money left and right. it raises money out the wazoo. it is running deficits and the clintons are getting rich. >> joining me now, one of the new york times reporters who co-wrote this story. nick, the article points out -- and by the way, most of the findings in the article were from this report, this report was commissioned by the clinton foundation itself. but it points out this loss of money that i'm having trouble understanding how they can have such a big cash flow and then
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end up with a deficit at the end of the year. and one of the people at the foundation seems to suggest, that is normal in these kinds of foundations. is that a normal kind of outcome? >> we should point out it was not every year, but a couple of years, if you have a budget like that it can sound like a lot. the key thing here is foundations often struggle to get donors to give them money to pay their bills. the average donor wants to give his or her money for the water project in africa, not for the power bill for a foundation. that is kind of the philosophy. they have for endowment. the gates foundation, the rockefeller foundation has huge amounts of cash, the clinton foundation has not had one. that is the real thing, if they have not got that cushion for operating expenses. >> nick, rush limbaugh has been
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calling the clinton foundation a slush fund for bill clinton for years. he now thinks in his article he has that proof. i read your article, i didn't see that proof. but what do you think are the elements of your report that -- the most difficult ones for hillary clinton to deal with, should this come up, that she might have to deal with as a candidate? >> you know, the information from the rush show, the usually level of fat collectors, it is unrecognizable in terms of my piece. but look, the foundation has long under-paid a lot of people. there is no one working there who is getting rich off the foundation. one thing they did was try to bring the salaries in line with competitive foundations. i think the real import of this is hillary clinton is a rival. chelsea's increased role -- this is going to be the nerve center of their public life for the next few years. and i think what has got to be trouble some for them, in this report, you see some echos, a
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mix of ambition and success and dysfunction that has been associated with the clinton white house in the early years, and of course the presidential campaign of hillary clinton. i don't think you want to keep hearing echos of that in the management of their structure, their growing concern, it is supposed to be a continuing concern for chelsea clinton and her future life. >> and nick, tonight, politico is reporting that this may be somehow a reaction to your report. that hillary clinton may be somehow exploring an academic position possibly a better choice than the clinton foundation. >> the clintons kind of have multiple platforms. that is kind of how they run everything. it wouldn't surprise me if she had something beside the foundation. but of course, it is new. you have to wonder if there is a
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trepidation from her people regarding the public life. >> nick, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. chris hayes is up next. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in." a little more than a month since egyptians gathered by the millions to celebrate the overthrow of their president. that country is in a state of emergency. also tonight, a growing boycott for the winter olympics in russia. it turns out harvey fierstein had a real problem with our coverage. tonight he will be here to set me straight. stay tuned for that. we must begin with the

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