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>> i'm sandra smith in for chris wallace. president and lawmakers from both parties honor aol senator john mccain for his decades of world are lesser tonight with the loss of john mccain. >> sandra: the war hero, presidential candidate and six term senator dead at 81 after a battle with brain cancer. at this hour we will talk to someone who served alongside him in congress. former senators kelly ayotte and john kyle. plus. >> thanks for having me on again. i love our spirited discussions. >> me too, always. >> sandra: we share some of his most memorable moments on "fox news sunday." end.
>> you can't replace a man like that. everyone looked up to him, everyone respected him. >> sandra: we will ask the panel about the political maverick's legacy in the era of extreme partisanship. then, president trump seemingly rattled by the legal downfall of two former close associates reignite his war with the attorney general and the justice department. >> even my enemies say that jeff sessions should have told you that he was going to recuse himself and then you wouldn't have put him in. >> sandra: today we will discuss with it nation's top law-enforcement official. >> he took the job and then he said i'm going to recuse myself. he said what kind of a man is this? >> sandra: plus, the legal and political ramifications of the convictions of transformer campaign chairman and the guilty plea from his former fixer. >> it's called flipping ended almost out to be illegal. >> sandra: with former attorney general alberto gonzales. then we will get reaction from the key defenders of the president, his former campaign
ewdowski. washington. he is being remembered as an american hero, patriot and unwavering commitment to his country. senator john mccain, one of the most storied politicians of our time died saturday following a year-long battle with brain cancer. attributes are planned in his home state of arizona and here in washington for the statesman who made a name for himself by often rising above party politics earning the monitor maverick of the senate. now to phoenix and fox news corresponded with the very latest on all this. good morning to you. >> good morning, sandra. the man who had been an american political institution for decades loved his adopted state oft was here in the home outside sedona that he so adored that john mccain died. he battled brain cancer for more
than a year. on friday the family announced the end is near and within. president trump, who has so often criticized him took to twitter to express his deepest sympathies to the mccain family saying our hearts and prayers are with you. as the flags outside the statehouse in phoenix were lowered to half-staff former presidents praised the 81-year-old war hero, senate veteran in 2008 republican presidential nominee. in a bipartisan sign of respect and appreciation, senate democratic leader chuck schumer says he wants congress to rename it senate office building for mccain. >> he was always willing to speak truth to power at a time when there are so few people who do that. he will be so missed. >> mccain's death came nine years to the day of another
mccain delivered a eulogy at the kennedy funeral and while they were sometimes legislative combatants they also partner together in attempts to change the nation's immigration system. they each died of the same form of brain cancer, glioblastoma. perhaps the most moving tributes were offered not by politicians, rather by mccain's wife and daughter. cindy mccain writing on twitter my heart is broken. i am so lucky to have lived the adventure of loving this incredible man for 38 years. he passed the way he's he leftn his own terms surrounded by the people he loved in the place he left breath. daughter megan said he loved me and i loved him. he taught me how to live. if his love into his care ever present, always unfailing took me from a girl to a woman and showed me what it is to be a man. earlier this year mccain published what would turn out to be his last book. in it he voiced satisfaction for always living his life in the moment, perhaps imperfectly at times but always with passion. >> some things didn't work out the way i hoped they would.
i had difficult moments and a few disappointmen it. >> and we soon expect to hear official details on memorial services in the both here in phoenix as well as washington, d.c. we do know that the senator will be buried at the naval academy cemetery in annapolis, maryland. also to come, a decision on replacing the legend, that responsibility belongs to governor doug ducey, a republican. >> sandra: alicia acuna reporting from phoenix. thank you for joining mina from manchester, former u.s. senator kelly ayotte who was dubbed one of the three amigos on capitol hill along with senators mccain and graham were there joint pushes on foreign policy. senator, welcome back to "fox news sunday." good to have you on the program this morning. you wrote a beautiful tribute, senator, calling senator mccain a dear friend and a mentor. how will you remember him?
>> first of all, what a tremendous loss for his family, but for the entire nation. i remember john for his courage, his tenacity and his wonderful sense of humor. he was tough as nails, incredibly bright and also just always cracking a joke, always a smile. believed so strongly in america and really a patriot, but never took himself too seriously. i feel so grateful to have known him. >> sandra: he loved new hampshire. he won the primary there twice. he loved you campaign the. why did he enjoy -- why did he enjoy new hampshire so much? as you mentioned in your tribute, he loved his time spent there. >> john had a very special connection with new hampshire. i think we an
honorary member. he came back twice here and she did it from tot vote or buried heated town halls here. hundreds of town halls here ipe. he has so many friends here. he is thought of so fondly here and really has straight talk. he would answer anyone's questions and be so direct and to think also a very special connection with our military families and our veterans here who he cared so deeply about. >> sandra: senator, you just mentioned how he used that straight talk. he spoke his mind and he is credited for rising above party politics. how was he able to do that? >> he just had the courage of his convictions and he really was a true bipartisan champion. someone who was focused on getting things done for the american people and he had the political cou
disagreed with him he was willing to get out there because he knew that we need to solve problems. he wanted to make our nation better. that takes a lot of courage and he just had so much moral fortitude. i had the privilege of s springd what he said to me was do 's hod i will never forget it. >> sandra: what is the political landscape look like in his absence? >> i think that as we look at someone like john mccain and his passing, his legacy is really one of civility and dignity and honor and integrity in something that we really need very much in politics and bipartisanship. >> sandra: you were a big part of the confirmation process for neil gorsuch and i was got brett kavanaugh's confirmation coming up next week. if i could ask you what your expectations are for that and
timing of the replacement for mccain seat is going to be crucial as well. >> it is. and i think that this is an excellent nomination by the president. and i would expect that he will be confirmed before enections. ce and just like justice gorsuch i think it will have a strong vote and i think it will be a bipartisan vote. >> sandra: so sorry for your loss, he was a friend, a mentor to you. thank you for coming on and telling them. >> thank you for having me on. my heart goes out to cindy and john's family. what a wonderful group of people. >> sandra: thank you, senator. joining is now john kyle, mccain's colleague from arizona in the u.s. senate from 1995 to 2013. he has also been discussed as a possible replacement for mccain. senator kyle, thank you for coming on program this morning. you join us by phone.
if you could just share with us your thoughts this morning. senator mccain was a man you worked closely with for many, many years. >> that's right. the lead in to your comments or to your interview with kelly ayotte included comment living life in the moment. john's entire approach to life was we want to get the most out of the time that we have here, so let's dig in and get going and in his case it pointed him towards public service, service of his country end of the state of arizona. and he certainly did get the most out of the time he had here. >> sandra: he was a busy guy and got a lot done in his life. what was it like being in the political arena with john mccain? >> there was never a dull moment, i will put it that way. john was involved in so many different things. it was a experience. we worked together on some things and then on we divided
responsibilities to make sure that our state was well served, but just all of the experiences of working with john. there was never a dull moment and i want to just take on one thing that kelly ayotte talked about because your viewers should know what a mentor that john was to a lot of the newer members of congress. he led probably more congressional delegation trips abroad than anyone else in the congress and he always included the newer members to help them meet the same people that he knew abroad, to visit the same places and these were not garden spots. we are talking in yemen and afghanistan and iraq and places like that. but he did that not only to teach the newer members, but also to represent the united states ie way abroad >> sandra: how, specifically, senator, did he want to inspire the next generation? >> i think he wanted to do two things. first by his example, the way
that he conducted himself to show that that was the most effective way and the proper way to represent the united states and then secondly of course to dig into the issues in all of these different places. i firmly believe that -- that his legacy will be his commitment to and his contributions to the national security of the united states. that's where i think he made the most difference and i'm sure there are people all over the world today that are joining in the morning of john mccain's death. >> sandra: in an era of extreme partisanship, senator , what does the political environment look like without him? >> it's not as good because john was always there as kind of conscience of the senate. i remember one day going onto the floor and he was just incensed that whoever the republican leader was at the time -- and this was a long time ago.
it probably was his great friend bob dole, but somehow they weren't giving the democrats to vote on an amendment that they wanted. he was incensed. heo give them about, it's the right thing to do. so he was always there trying to make sure that both sides got there safe and were treated fairly and has artie been noted, he didn't have any trouble working across the aisle. >> sandra: your name has been whispered as a possible replacement for that bacon scene. the arizona republican governor is tasked with naming that replacement. he has now said he will not do so until senator mccain is laid to rest. what do you want to see happen with his seat? >> governer ducey has an awesome responsibility there. and i think the key thing is to try to continue then that as i alluded to earlier, to continue representation for all the people of the united states on the most critical international
issues. john had the experience to do that and he had the instincts, in my view, to make the right kinds of decisions and i hope whoever the governor appoints can work in that vein. >> sandra: senator, i know you will be heading to washington soon for the confirmation of brett kavanaugh. you will be the sherpa rallying support around his confirmation and promote senator, we really appreciate your time. thank you for coming on the program this morning looking back at emmanuel worked very closely with for a long period of time in the senate. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> sandra: when we come back our sunday panel joins us to discuss the legacy of john mccain and we will take a look at some of his key appearances right here on on "fox news sunday" next. ♪ making cars lighter, advanced oils for those hard-working parts. fuels that go further so drivers pump less.
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♪ >> sandra: as far as sunday showsohn mccain was a perennial guest weather as his party's presidential nominee, an authority on foreign policy, or at provocateur of the white house. you can count on him to make news. including right here with chris wallace on "fox news sunday." >> you probably didn't make a lot of friends in the white house this week when you contradicted one of their main attack points against senator kerry, which is to say that he is weak on defense. >> john kerry is a friend of mine. i don't choose to attack or disparage him and i will not. i know that having a friend in washington from another party is not acceptable to some in washington. i have two words for them, too bad. i have found in my life that when i do what i think is right,
for example, on the marriage amendment, it always turns out in the end okay. when i do things for political expediency, which i have from time to time, it has always turned out poorly. >> give me an example sent to bring it up. what have you done? what would you admit you did for political expediency? >> i went went onto toussie tel south carolina, it was a state issue i said. it was an act of cowardice. >> act of cowardice on your part? >> yes. >> and you did it because you thought this would help in the south carolina primary? >> this won't alienate certain voting block. and i lost anyway. >> one thing i was surprised to learn about both of you is that you are -- maybe i'm wrong about this too, superstitious. i'm told that you have lucky suits. i'm told -- but after everything you've been through, you've also been quoted as saying you feel you are one of the luckiest people on earth and you feel
certain, not to get highfalutin about it, a sense of destiny. do you feel you have one final mission to serve the country? >> i have been blessed to be able to serve for many years. and it's one of the great honors of my life. but it doesn't mean that i was meant to be president. it just means that whatever time i have left i would be of service to the country and i am grateful, incredibly grateful that i've had the opportunity and if it stops tomorrow i will look back at an imperfect person, but one who always tried to serve. >> republican insider senators say that your big job going forward is to reach out to conservatives. here is what one mccain insiders that the other day. >> can he then go on and become the nominee of this party? >> yes. >> all boy, senator.
one is your mother right and two, how do you persuade conservatives to stop holding their nose? >> i love my mother dearly, more than anything in the world. but really my mom is not a complete expert on this issue. i love her and i love her candor and she's been a great, great asset, particularly whenever the age issue comes up. >> on mccain's desk is a picture of his granddad during world war ii. in the corner you can see a photo of the senator as a little boy. mccain says treasure your children. >> if i had a message, because i'm not as young as i used to be, it's enjoy every moment with them. enjoy every second. because they all grow so fast yr best memories of the time spent with them. >> i fought against my own
people when i thought it was necessary to do so and i will fight against this may press and, it is what other people are saying, that's what you are saying about maverick. >> what i was saying was that i had considered myself a person who is a fighter. i wouldn't be around today if i wasn't a fighter. i fight for things that i believe in and sometimes that's called a maverick, sometimes that's called a partisan. people can draw their own conclusions. i prefer great american myself. >> as the sun and the grandson of military men and as a war hero yourself -- go >> and a son of the navy. in the marines too. >> your thoughts on memorial day? >> the great honor of my life. to have had the opportunity long ago and far away to have served in a company
>> i'm the luckiest guy you've ever interviewed interviewed and will ever interview. i'm the most fortunate man on earth and i thank god for it every single day. on again. i love our spirited discussions. >> may too, always. >> sandra: it is time now for our sunday group. a former press secretary for vice president pence marc lotter. columnist for the hill juan williams. the cohost of benson and harp on fox news radio, marie harf and fox news correspondent gillian turner. in such a sad few hours that we have seen since the family announced his death yesterday. he did make us laugh. >> he absolutely did. and the only thing i can say is if you would have decided to retire and enjoy a quiet peaceful life after his military service no one could have faulted him. >> but that he did not do. >> he felt called to do more and he did. >> even in the final 18 months or so of his life he kept fighting. if the brain cancer for sure but
he still stayed politically involved as well appearing >> absolutely. he was not going to just walk away and not have a voice in so many important issues we continue debate. whether it's health care, the state of our politics. and i thought a lot of the last few weeks, john mccain was a hawk for sure. but for me one of the most significant things he did was when he worked to make peace with vietnam, a country where he was tortured, where he fought a war. he banded together with john kerry, who he disagreed with him on many things, including the vietnam war and said that our past does not at the dictator future when it comes to our relationships around the world, normalized relations with the country who tortured him. if that an extraordinary statement. >> all of us sitting at this table at some point in our career, we had the opportunity and the honor of knowing senator john mccain and getting to know him in some instances, a picture of you and your son. he's someone you knew. >> that's the last time i saw
senator mccain. we ran into him at the nationals baseball game this summer. i think that he was here. and again, senator mccain and i had had disagreements. my job is to sometimes critical of politicians. i remember when he was yawning, groaning i think it was in '07, was at at the bottom intermentf candidates seeking the republican nomination. it looks like john mccain is out of gasket. he doesn't like it. he let me know he didn't think that was the right thing for me to say and then when he came back he let me know i'm back, i won and you should tell people that i came back. so that's john mccain. but to me, just picking up on what marie said, what struck me as not only that he would go back and work to normalize relations with vietnam, but here in america at a time of political polarization. a part of the reason i think we honor him so much today, it comes out of our living need to say that we can go beyond party politics. if we can go beyond polarization. we can go beyond race. you heard what he said to chris about acknowledging a mistake on
the confederate flag isgle on campaign finance reform, with ted kennedy on health care, you think about him standing up to his own party on the affordable care act recently and saying i don't think we can just strip it, we have to have something to put in its place. this is the maverick. he said he didn't like to be called a maverick. he would rather be called a great american. i think on this sunday morning we can say john mccain, you were not only patriot, a great american and an american hero. >> sandra: he referenced back to his mother, she is still with us. she's 106 years old. he was certainly obviously a war hero, a politician with a long career, a successful career in politics but he talked about his family being the most important thing in the world to him. >> of course and those of us who know it had the chance to work with megan when she was here at the channel know just how tight
his bond was not with her but with all of his children. marie pointed out that a really important part of his legacy is that he was a national security hawk. a defense hawk. i think it's important to point out that he was not a warmonger. far from it. he spent a lot of time advocating for better support for service members, veterans and their families but he had a very healthy appreciation, especially later on during his tenure in the senate for the limits to the use of military force. i was think about afghanistan, he lobbied president obama really hard for increased troop presence in afghanistan and was the first guy on the senate floor after that was secured to stand up and say america is never going to secure all of its interests in this country with the use of military force alone. he is very unique in that. he's worked on both sides of the issue as a service member and in his policy, there is no one else like that. >> sandra: now a lot of questions about what will happen
with that vacant seat, who will fill it and what kind of -- the timing is going to be so important. with the brett kavanaugh hearings coming up. not a fighter he called himself and i think we all agree we saw in the same way. we have to take a break with our panel but when we come back, two of the the presidents former ce associates are facing jail time. what does this turn of events mean for the president? we will speak with two insiders. former attorney general alberto gonzales and former trump campaign manager cory campaign manager cory lewandowski next. napolis it's an effort to help improve digital skills at no cost. we've got workshops for you guys today, we've got one on one coaching sessions, we've got stations here so that you can dig in and really learn how technology can be useful to you. wanna grow your skills but can't make it to an event? you can find the same free tools and training at google.com/grow.
attorney general and the justice department reaching epic levels after a week of legal bombshells involving once loyal members of his inner circle. let's review. this week mr. trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort convicted in federal court on financia those payments granted immunity. the white house says none of this has anything to do with the president, tha wrong and there are no charges against him. joining us now, alberto gonzales, former u.s. attorney general who served under president george w. bush. welcome back to "fox news sunday," thank you for coming on the program. speak >> mr. gonzales: good mor. let me just as an air force veteran i honor john mccain's service and sacrifice on behalf of our country, our military, our veterans and their families. >> sandra: we appreciate your words this morning as we are all sharing sentiments in the wake of john mccain's death. we are following the developments of what was -- it was a hectic week for this white house and for the president and questions about
what sort of legal perils the president is in, or is he in any legal peril at all? it depends on who you ask. i want to start first with the president's argument that his attorney general never took control of the department. >> i put an attorney general that never took control of the justice department, jeff sessions. never took control of the justice department and it's a regrettable thing. >> sandra: let's establish where you stand on this. is that criticism of the president, of his ag, is that fair? >> mr. gonzales: that is a very serious allegation that the department of justice is out of control. jeff sessions has been mainly quiet until now in the face of a lot of criticism from the white house. and he finally responded and i think it was appropriate that he did respond because to say that the department is out of control is a very serious charge. from my perspective from my vantage point there appears to be investigations ongoing,
appear to be successful prosecutions. so i think that it's important for the attorney general to reassure the american people, and speaking to the president that he is in control of the department of justice and its operating the way it should be operating. as president of united states he has the right to be critical to say what he wants to say about his cabinet officials. as a general manager i think it's more effective to do it privately and publicly because it undermines the attorney general and also i think hurts them around the department of justice. i think it's preferable for the president to speak his concerns and criticism to the attorney general but he certainly has a right to speak out. >> sandra: sessions hit back at the president and sort of rare for him. he doesn't normally publicly hit back at the president, but here he was, the action of the department of justice will not be improperly influenced by political considerations. this marks one of the few times we've seen him publicly respond to the president although he did not call him out my name there.
what is the danger in this feud between the president and his ag? what is the danger in continuin continuing? >> mr. gonzales: as i said, i think -- i fear that because the president is head of the executive branch and can remove the attorney general anytime he wants that the continued criticism without taking any action i fear makes the president look a little weak but i also worry about the fact, as i said, it undercuts the attorney general's authority and battles with other cabinet secretaries, with his counterparts around the world and i do think it has a long-term effect upon thethe amn people view the institution and i think that's very, very dangerous so as i said, the president has a right to speak out, no question about that, he was unhappy with the perfoof tha general matter i'm not sure it's doing the president much good. it may be preferable and more effective to do it privately. >> sandra: developments as far as the robert mueller investigation goes. a conviction in the case of paul
manafort and the white house making it very clear where it stands on that case. >> the manafort case doesn't have anything to do with the president. it doesn't have anything to do with his campaign, nothing to do with the white house. >> sandra: what are the ramifications of paul manafort's conviction? >> mr. gonzales: i think it's still too early to tell. it is interesting, the white house is correct that no charges has been brought against the president but we need to be mindful of the fact that it is current doj policy as i understand it that the president cannot be indicted in the president cannot be prosecuted. so you are not going to see any charges i don't believe brought against the president. irrespective of whether or not there is a conclusion. but nonetheless i think with respect to the paul manafort and the guilty plea of michael cohen, it's not good. it creates a lot of debate and swirl around the president as an individual and that's never
good. i think it it averts the president's attention from the business of the american people. there are a very serious issues both domestically and across the world that deserve the president's full attention and that's what i worry about. >> sandra: the president did seem to sort of praise paul manafort in the wake of his conviction leaving questions about whether or not he may pardon him. look how he responded to that question. >> paul manafort is a good man. he was with ronald reagan. he was with a lot of different people over the years and i feel very sad about that. >> sandra: that was him on the ground in west virginia seemingly praising paul manafort. when asked specifically whether or not he would pardon him, he did not say no and he did not say yes. is he laying the groundwork for a pardon? >> mr. gonzales: we will have to ask the president. i can get into his mind. it is a bit unusual for the jusr the president of the united states and they had a very successful conviction of paul manafort and have the president then speak so well of
paul manafort was somewhat unusual. in terms of a pardon, as we know the president's pardon power is virtually unlimited so the president may decide that this is the particular case where a pardon is warranted. if you believe that paul manafort was unfairly treated. but again, that would send a message that he believes his department of justice acted in a way that was unprofessional and unfair. and i worry about that kind of message as well. >> sandra: so many wondering how far this mueller investigation will go, how long it will go on. the president talk about a sitdown interview, a perjury trap. if you heard that from rudy giuliani. ultimately do you think the president should sit down with robert mueller? >> mr. gonzales: i think it might be helpful politically for the president to at least respond to written questions. i don't know about sitting down and giving testimony to robert mueller, but i think perhaps it may ease in the minds of certain
members of the american public the president's involvement. his knowledge about russia, russian involvement in the presidential election 2016 but we will have to wait and see. >> sandra: that's a big wait and see. we will see where it all goes. judge alberto gonzales, great to get your take on things this morning. thank you for joining us on "fox news sunday" ." >> mr. gonzales: thank you for having me. now to cory lewandowski, president trump's former campaign manager. welcome back to "fox news sunday." good to have you on the program. what a week this was. how would you describe this week for the president? >> corey: let me first echo what judge gonzalez said in that all of the viewers know our frats and prayers are with the mccain family and is in new hampshire almost native son, the years he spent up here campaigning, the success he had. i want to echo those statements to remember a man who served our country with great admiration and honorable so i want to think think the mccain family and have our thoughts and prayers
with him. but as it relates to the president and this week, what we have seen here, once again is the mueller investigation, which was designed to look at potential collusion between the trump campaign and the russian outside influence has no bearing, has not produced any evidence, not one scintilla of evidence that there was any type of collusion, cooperation or coordination between the trump campaign and anybody from an outside source to impact the outcome of the election. so what i think is important now is that the mueller investigative team finishes their investigation, reports that the department of justice and we put an end to the investigation which clearly has demonstrated has nothing to do with the presidential campaign of 2016. >> sandra: you have to think about how that looks. the conviction of paul manafort, the guilty plea from s granted o others close to all of this. and you've got to wonder, and the optics of trouble for the president as
this investigation continues? >> corey: if you look at what paul manafort was originally charged with and has not been found guilty of, those are crim guilty of that took place 10-12 years prior to him coming to the trump campaign for the five month window. those were tax evasion charges, charges that have absolutely nothing to do with his tenure with us and when bob mueller's team is supposed to be investigating with the potential collusion between russia and the trump campaign. so the conviction of paul manafort has nothing to do with the trump campaign, the trump organization or any work that transpired during the 2016 campaign and as it relates to michael cohen, who has not pled guilty and is looking at 60 plus years in jail, once again, his crimes were basically crimes of not following the rules as it relates to your taxes. following -- filing false bank statements. those are nothing to do with the campaign. i was a campaign manager. i spent a little time with part of then as humanly
with the campaign or the trump organization. >> sandra: i see what you're saying about your relationship with him and there have been reports that you privately tried to get the president -- tried to get the president to back away from him. we were warning him that he was a loose cannon. but the president said at that time at one point in time that he was a good lawyer and he trusted him for a long time. now is calling him a flipper. so why did president trust michael cohen especially with warnings coming from the likes of you? >> corey: he was very good at certain things and one of the things we have seen is intimidating people. he was a self-described fixer. i don't know what that means but i know from the corporate side -- i didn't work at the corporation, to be clear, but when there's a problem from the corporation side if there's a problem with an airplane engine, michael was tasked with the negotiation to make sure that engine was fixed under the warranty. i know that was one specific
project but i can tell you this, i didn't like to work with michael. i didn't like to interact with michael and that's why he had me -- even though he wanted when i was very clear when i was in charge of the campaign, michael was not somebody who we wanted at the campaign. he would go out and make statements that we had to walk back afterwards because he would say things which were factually untrue and i warned everybody at the organization that michael was going to become a problem. >> sandra: here we are, final weekend in august. hard to believe we will be moving into september, ever more close to november. what are your expectations for republicans in the midterm election? >> corey: my expectations are that when it comes to the u.s. senate the republicans will gain 3-4 seats expanding their majority there and then when it comes to the house of representatives i think the republicans are ultimately going to have a smaller majority but they are going to continue with their majority because the american people are going to have a chance this november to either go in the direction of economic security, homeland security and national security or they can go back to the days
of potentially speaker pelosi whereby open borders and no tax cuts, that's with the american people are faced with. >> sandra: you mentioned nancy pelosi. she called tuesday trump's day of reckoning. it's democrats war to win back control of the house. what you think the chances are of them going for impeachment of the president? >> corey: i think it's clearly on their agenda because they have no other agenda. when you look at maxine waters, slated to become the chairman of the house financial services committee, jeremy nadler from new york, they have no plan for the american people so there only plan is to be obstinate and obstacles to the trump economic agenda and that means starting an impeachment proceeding where there is none to be found but that will completely stymie a washington, d.c., which is artie broken. >> sandra: the new york state subpoenaed michael cohen. it alleges persistently illegal
conduct. if they are nonprofit of engaging in extensive unlawful political coordination with the trump campaign. the president has vowed and responds publicly that he won't settle this case. the lawsuit does point to you, which is why we wanted to ask you about it before we go. first of all, have you been contacted about that? >> corey: i've never spoken to anyone from the state of new york about this issue and what's really at stake your and with the crux of the argument is the term foundation, which has no overhead and actually gives out more money than it ever raises as a recognized 501 c-3 charitable organization and they are calling into question raising money for that and then distributing it to other 501 c-3s. that's what this is all about. i've never seen it before. i've never heard of it before and the term foundation gave away more money than iause the ,
arn from him? >> corey: that's a great question. i don't know what michael has to do with the term foundation at all and i don't know what he has to do with the dispersal of the money from the foundation so that will be news to all of us when we find that out. >> sandra: corey lewandowski, thank you very much for joining us today. >> corey: thank you. >> sandra: up next our sunday group returns to discuss the fallout from the investigations battering the white house. ♪ is as easy as dates, deals, done! simply enter your destination and dates... and see all the hotels for your stay! tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites... to show you the lowest prices... so you can get the best deal on the right hotel for you. dates, deals, done! tripadvisor. visit tripadvisor.com
in disneyland and disney california adventure parks! (laughter) >> the idea that jeff sessions might be fired because he's not a political hack is a very, very bad idea. >> replacing him before the election to me would be a nonstarter. the idea of having a new attorney general in the first term president trump's administration i think is very likely. >> sandra: differing opinions even inside the g.o.p. about the
future of attorney general jeff sessions after the president reignited their feud over his recusal from the russian investigation and we are back with our panel. mark, you heard the senator suggesting firing sessions i think he said would be a very, very bad idea. what it? >> i don't think anybody is seriously thinking that is something that's going to have new the midterms. lindsey graham talked about that as well. while the president can make changes when he decides it's time to make a change, i would personally be surprised if it happened beforey graham have a point when he says the president is entitled to have an attorney general that he has confidence in? >> without a doubt, the is given the political advantage in the senate but already you hear from people and you just heard one there, but also susan collins and others say this would be a mistake and don't forget jeff sessions was a u.s. senator. he has lots of friends there. so there would be strong opposition on the question then
would be if you want to fire sessions are you going to replace him with someone who is going to fire mueller or fire rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general? and when people start thinking like that they are definitely going to have much resistance. >> sandra: susan collins a pivotal republican. she wanted the same thing. you firearm, you may not be able to replace them. >> and it shouldn't matter whether it's before or after the midterms. if it's wrong to fire him because he's not serving us president trump's personal attorney general, which is i think what donald trump had in mind when he appointed jeff sessions to that role, it should be a problem either before or after but the politics will be an issue here. i do not think the senate, particularly as closely divided as it is can replace him. jeff sessions, he has a lot of friends up there. and i think what you see is the president had probably his toughest week and the prosperity verylashing out increasingly at dire. there are three ongoing
investigations. people get immunity every day. every day this week we had a new report of someone close to donald trump getting immunity and i think you see the president not knowing how to respond. >> sandra: what does all of that mean and apply for the president? and the white house is saying it has nothing to do with the president and there's no application that he did anything wrong in all of that. sessions was firing back which was really interesting because we haven't seen him fire back in such a public way. and he said he will not let the department be improperly influenced by political considerations. is that a sign perhaps that he is taking this feud more public? >> absolutely. and a lot of folks were shocked to see when it came was. i do disagree with marie slightly in terms of the timing here. i think that if sessions the parts after the midterm, the president gets a little bit of a get out of jail free card on that in the sense there's
nothing scandalous, there's nothing unusual about an attorney general -- anyone in the cabinet leaving after the midterms in any administration. i think waiting until then would really turn the heat down on this entire situation and i think that's what all the republicans weighing in on this and warning the president are trying to tell him. >> sandra: making it very clear they want this investigation to come to an end. rudy giuliani the president's attorney tweeted yesterday just 60 days. if he wants to show he's not part of them for an issue on collusion and obstruction. they will show president trump did nothing wrong and then you will have to admit. is he publicly trying to rush the special counsel to wrap up this investigation? >> i think is acknowledging what we see out there every day. anyone who was close to president trump or work for president trump is getting a legal colonoscopy by every investigator out there.
meanwhile, democrats are getting a band-aid and sent on their merry way. i think he wants to bring this evidence of collusion and -- >> this investigation has been going on 16 months and counting grade >> were mobile kids investigator the clintons over whitewater for 60 years. let's all have some perspective here. i think mueller cannot wrap this up before the midterms because they haven't settled issues about whether the president will sit down with him. there are a number of people who haven't been interviewed. i think that mueller will avoid saying anything until after the midterms because there are a lot of outstanding questions that still need to be answered. and through the investigation we have learned much more. the term campaign started out by saying no one ever talked to any russians. now we know that over a dozen trim campaign people did. that may not be collusion, but we have learned much more throughout this investigation that warrants further questions. those are serious and cannot be wrapped up i think in the next few months. >> sandra: i think it left a few people wondering when the
president said he can go in and. iestigation.it if what does that tell you? >> i think he's really at this point sort of flustered and flailing. if he thinks that he can take control of the investigation, that's like i'll component taking charge of -- it's just not the way it's done in this country. no man is above the law. he instead now is attacking not only sessions as we just discussed what he is also saying go after the democrats, my political opponents. i don't know if they got an easy pass. i think they were thoroughly investigated but then the other part of it is that he goes after a witch hunt. he says this has been a witch hunt and appeals base. at some point you have to ask people when do you stop justifying bad behavior by this president? >> sandra: predictions for the midterms starting with you, marc. >> expand the majority in the senate, keep the majority in the house. >> democrats take the house. they will be a bit of a blue
wave. >> sandra: you guys are making is easy. dems sweep the house and senators? >> the president said this week over right away. i do not see a red wave. instead what i see is likelihood that i would say a third chance of a strong blue which enough. fair chance they don't make it and in the senate i think the odds given the playing fieith t. >> sandra: if democrats take control of the house will be moved to impeach the president? >> i think after the last week it is a conversation with havin having. >> sandra: you guys are good. right on your time cues. it was really fun to have you as our panel this morning. thank you very much all of you. >> it was fun to have you. >> sandra: thank you. we will see you next sunday. up next, a final word. ♪