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i'm chris wallace. the president and his tame apologize for the troubled start of obama care. >> there is no excuse for it and i take full responsibility for making thorough it gets fixed asap. >> let me say directly to the americans you deserve better. >> just six people enrolled on day one, and the president and his promise. >> if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.
>> is the initial debacle a sign of things to come? how obama care will affect you. one of the architects of the plan e eick yell emanuel and james ka pret. >> and senator lindsey graham. >> and with election day two days away. we'll ask our sunday panel how much trouble both parties are in. >> i knew from the second what had happened, why it happened, and what it meant for the future. charles krauthammer opens up about his life changing accident. hello again from fox news in
washington. it's been another tough week for obama care with continued problems on the government website and growing outrage over the hundreds and thousands of people whose policies are being canceled. healthca healthcare.gov was closed overnight again. we brought in james capretta and dr. ezekiel emanuel. welcome to "fox news sunday." let's start with that pledge from the president when he was trying to sell obama care. here it is. >> we will keep this promise to the american people. if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep
your health care plan period. no one will take it away. >> but it turns out millions of americans are not able to keep their plans, they're losing them. florida blue canceled 300,000 people. in california 280,000 policies canceled. in oregon 150,000. the white house now says the explanation was that that pleg only counted until the health care law was signed? 2010. and these policies are lousy. >> there is two things to it. there was no extenuating circumstances when he said you can keep your plan. he said clearly you can keep your plan. this is not a minor pledge. it's like the first president bush saying no new taxes in 1990 and 1988.
he broke that pledge and he had the honesty to say he was. millions of people will lose it, at least 15 million including people in the small business community. >> we'll get to that. let's stay with the idea of the pledge. dr. emanuel "the wall street journal" reported that you were part of a debate in the white house about this claim. that you can keep your plan or your doctor is misleading. let me ask the question. on megan kelly's show this week, you blamed the insurance companies. >> if an insurance company decided they're going to change how they structure the plan, that's not the government, that's the business. >> but doctor, the obama care
law demands they change their plans. >> first of all, i want to say the president takes very seriously what i -- it goes back to what i said and make sure we're consistent with this. when we passed the law, any law that existed before passed would be dprandfathered in unless lots of changes were made. we have to middle age them against what insurance companies regularly do. >> i have to ask you, does obama care mandate that insurance companies change their plans to meet certain standards? >> yes, it brings it up, but we grandfathered in all of the pre-existing plans. if you want to change plans or buy a new car you have to meet safety rules. >> but your grandfathering is so narrow. >> it's not. >> let me give you an example.
if an insurance company changes by more than $5, it's no longer grandfathered in. >> yeah, that's a big change. you have to ask the question how many planks do you change in a boat before it's a different boat. we had a plan, we argued about it. >> you didn't tell the american people. >> no we, did. we grandfathered in the plans. >> you say if it's in effect to march of 2010, it's grandfathered in. >> i didn't hear the mention of grandfathered in those promises. >> the grandfather provision written in the law itself was too narrow and frankly they wrote a regulation intentionally
trying to get people out of the market. they want them to go into the market. >> the insurance company -- >> they tricked people into the exchanges. >> the insurance companies don't like the individual market as it's constructed. that individual market is going away. they don't want to invest in it. the insurance companies are making that choice, not the president. >> gentleman. this raises a bigger question. who gets to decide. you said well, we improved the policies, right? who gets to decide what's a good policy or not? our college john roberts did a story about a woman named betsy who is losing her insurance. let's look at that. >> i was very happy with my plan and then i got a letter saying i would have to pick a new one.
>> her premiums would have to go up to $450 to $871. >> the deductible with that plan is $12700. i can't afford a deductible of $12700. >> why does betsy need you or president obama telling her what insurance she needs. >> two reasons, if she goes in and that insurance doesn't cover enough, which is typically what happens, and she gets sick, typically we who are insured pay the difference. just as we have safety standards for cars, you can't buy a car without a seat belt or an air bag. if you drive one we're not going to take you off the road.
can i fish? >> i don't agree with you. she is a woman with a 24-year-old son. she is not going to have any more children. it including maternity services, pediatric, substance abuse services, that's not the air bag. >> it is the air bag. we all -- >> she's not going to need maternity services. >> we all share in the costs to everyone can get it. she may need cancer care or stroik care or her kid might be hit by a car or her kid might father a baby. >> if i that don't want to be covered and their uninsured or very low insurance, they transfer those costs to the rest of us. that's the whole point. to people assume individual responsibility. >> when you have a low cost -- >> i get your point.
>> there is lot of insurance plans out there today covering hospitalizations, drugs, they're regulated by the states. they don't need the federal government. >> remember the individual -- >> let him finish, please. >> the high deductible plans they're perfectly happy with. you will hear stories by people with perfectly fine coverage and they're going to lose it. >> the individual market before obama care they could throw you up when you got a disease. that is the comparison. what the -- >> dr. emanuel, please. >> let me finish. >> let him finish. >> for the insurance company -- >> don't talk while he is interrupting. >> mr. capretta, we're just talking about the individual market, just 5% of americans, here is how it was explained by
jay carney. >> the universe that you're talking about here is 5%. the whole insurance market, 5% of the population. >> first of all that 5% is 15 million people. the whole obamacare is to get 30 million uninsured insured. secondly, is it just the individual market that will lose their policy? >> no, small business plans are being forced to pool their workers with a larger pool of other workers. many small businesses right now are dropping their insurance -- >> it's not just small business or individuals, there are big companies, time warner, ibm,
series, k mart, walgreens. none of those people can keep their current policies. >> those are companies making decisions of how they want to insure people. before obama care they could drop coverage at any time. before obama care they didn't have to offer insurance to their people and many didn't. we have 50 million uninsured people, and most of those are workers who didn't have coverage. so before obama care. >> simple question, are they going to be able to keep their coverage. >> the president doesn't say seres, drop coverage. ser sears decides. when the private companies decide to drop people, you blame president obama, he is not responsible for that.
>> he is, they set up incentives and fines for kpecompanies that have -- >> if you're over 50, it's $2000. >> they're forcing companies and encouraging companies to do exactly what they're doing. >> under 50 there is no penalty whatsoever. >> i want to get into one last area here. many people are signing up for medicaid and the private insurance plans in the marketplace. in maryland, 82,000 people signed up for medicaid, 3,000 for private plans. in oregon, 62,000 for medicaid, and zero for private insurance. explain why that is significant
and how it could lead to what folks like you call the death spiral? >> people that go on to the website and enter their personal income information, if it's low enough they automatically sign them up for medicaid. they say your income is very low, you're on medicaid. other people have to pay private insurance and they owe a premium. if they can make it on and through the website, figure out what is going on, they say i may owe for a premium. >> people who don't sign up or are in something like medicaid. >> the system will never work unless there is 5 million to 7 million people. there at dead stop zero at this point. they have not signed up anybody. so they're going to have a huge
undertaking. >> the second thing is you would expect a this stage of the game, from everything we know about the exchanges that not a lot of people would sign up. that's why i called for, it has to be fixed by november 30th. at that point people will begin buying. we have until march 31st and we expect naturally people will put off -- let me finish, people will put off buying until the end and those numbers are irrelevant. >> i've got your point, dr. emanuel. you also agree that if they don't sign up, that you agree it's going to be very bad for the system. that in fact, the premiums will go up. if the young, healthy people don't sign up, you said this in an article -- >> look, i agree with that point. there is a potential death
spiral, but it's not just in six months, my firm believe in everything that we know from people when you have very good rates. >> here is my last question. with all of the problems with the website. a dozen senate democrats are saying put off the penalties. even delay the entire individual mandate a year, and we heard this week from max baucus. a senator who helped write obama care. >> maybe we should start thinking about penalizing the mandates. it's not their fault for mistakes that the government made. >> should they be delayed? >> no, if the website is working by november 30th, people will have a full four months to sign
up and that's no reason to delay them and i don't think you can prejudge now. if it's not adequately working, it's a whole new question. i think it will be up and running by november 30th, and if not we'll have a renewed debate. but to call for it 30 days before it's debuted i think is a mistake. >> mr. capretta, you have the final 30 seconds uninterrupted. we were told all year long it would be ready to go and don't delay the individual mandate. you have millions of people losing their coverage based on the promise they will have something working in 30 days. the window is closing. we should delay the whole thing for a year. this is health care after all, not a minor matter. we should not play fast and loose. >> mr. capretta, dr. emanuel, it
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been known to work with president obama on some issues, but this week he laid down a clear marker, if congress access to the survivors of benghazi or he will block all of the future nominees. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> you have been trying for more than a year to talk with some benghazi survivors. >> yes, i have spoken to none. i want to know from their mouth, not anybody else, no spokesman, americans on the ground in bengha benghazi. did you see a protest, report a protest. did you file a complaint, did you make questions, did anyone try to help you enhance current. >> so when you and other senators asked to talk to the
survivors or to read the interviews of the fbi within hours, what does the administration say to you? >> they say it's an on going criminal investigation, which is stunning. under that theory we would not be able to look at 9/11. i'm not trying to solve a crime, i'm trying to find out from the mouths of the people on the ground did you ever report there was a protest? how could the president and jay carney and susan rice, all of them claim this was a process created by video. if nobody on the ground ever said there was a protest. so two days after the attack did they say there was a protest? did they did not how did the protest start? >> now because you have not got p the interviews, or to talk to them, you're now threatening no
block every new presidential nominee, which has a member of the senate you can put a hold on them until you get access to these folks. >> i don't think it's overthe top for the congress to be able to challenge the narrative of any administration. they were talk todd by the accountability review board. they looked at what happened, they interviewed these survivor survivors, are they being straight and honest with you? i shouldn't have to do this. they should provide in a responsible way those who lived through benghazi to be interviewed separate and apart from the obama administration to find out what happened exactly what happened before, during, and half, and i'm so sad to say
to the families that a year later the congress doesn't really know what happened. >> but we're talking about someone like jay johnson or janet yellin. how long are you pry paired to hold up their nominations and everyone elses -- >> people who are doing and need to do important work for the country. >> the only way this will work is if my colleagues say we support his request to work with the administration, and look at the end and find out what happened before during and after. how did they know ab a cable coming out saying we can't
defend this place against an al qaeda attack. how can the secretary of defense know that and not the secretary of state. i'm hoping that will relent -- >> if they don't? >> i will ask my colleagues to stand up to the obama administration. don't let them get away with this. can you imagine if this was george w. bush saying you can't talk to anybody? >> okay. "60 minutes" ran a story where they spoke to the british supervisor of libyan security. >> you also kept saying if this place is attacked, these guys are not going to stand and
fight? >> yeah, i used today say it all the time. in the end i got quite bored of hearing my own voice saying it. >> the obama administration is saying his report right after the attack directly contradicts what he said. >> yes, i want to hear from americans that were there. this contractor, on an incident report that he signed, he never went to the compound or to the hospital as he claims. he was interviewed by the fbi the next day and twice, and the fbi interviews, here is what this administration is doing. they're taking part of the file to leak it. they interviewed this gentleman
and he claimed he told the fbi everything that he told "60 minutes." so if he is lying i want to know that, but give to me and the congress the full information. >> we have a couple minutes left. i want to ask you about another matter. you plan to introduce a bill this week that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, but even some other pro-life advocates have backed off because they worry it is not constitutional. they say the people court protects a woman's right to abortion until a fetus is viable. >> at 20 weeks you feel pain. they do surgery on a 20 week fetus, they provide anesthesia to the fetus because it can feel pain. they can feel pain, that's what
a rational humamane society shod do. >> some of your critics in south carolina say graham is up for reelection. he is worried about a tea party challenger and you ticked off a lot of conservatives and this is your way to get back in their good graces. >> i have been pro life since day one. i was a author of the unborn victims act making it a crime to attack a woman. and you be charged with two crimes if her loses her child. i'm proud to lead this charge. this is the debate worthy of a great democracy. >> senator graham, thank you for
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insurance plan. it's time now for our sunday grow. we have scott brown. juli pace, karl rove, and evan bayh. karl, we talked about this eat great length. how much trouble is obama care? ? >> in trouble. the president's job approval rating is now tied for the lowest of his term and his disapproval rating it at his highest and the law has gotten far mar unpopular and these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective, the individual market is being affected, but let's remember there is about 150 million people that get insurance through their employer. 90 million are unaffected. those are self funded plans
governed by risa. so there is about 15 million in the individual market, so a total of about 75 million. the department of health and human services said 20 people would lose their coverage. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people. that is rolling out over the next year. >> all right, the new yorker had a classic cover. you can see president obama, secreta secreta secretary sebelius crossing her
fingers. i'm sure the white house isn't laughing. >> they're in a holding patter. no one expected the website to be fixed in the next couple days. nofr 30th seems like a conservative estimate, and all we're seeing now is more website problems and more problems with the actual policy. as the conversation switches to the policy away from the website that is more dangerous and there is nothing they can say to refute that. people can't log on and see the payments they will be making, and they just have to deal with criticism. what about the promise? >> they feel like that was a risk they had to take at the time. it has servely come back to haunt them and you hear them say ', reporters you should be
providing more contacts. any time you blame reporters you're going down a bad road. >> secretary sebelius said that with all of the testing problems they had to go on october 31st because that's what the law mandates. >> an ideal world there would have been more testing. we just didn't have the time. >> that is just not true. the law says the roll out will be determined by the secretary. he suicide todd go ahead with this plan of october 1st. republicans decide'd instead of their earlier policy, to defund or delay, they're going to sit back, have oversight hearings,
and just let obama care happen. is that a smarter strategy? >> yeah, i don't think anyone wants to shut down the government, but when the president was in boston, it made my blood boil. i worked on the massachusetts plan. it didn't raise taxes our cut medicaid and this one does. if they can't get the website right, what makes you think they will be able to get the health care itself correct. >> the ones calling for delay now are not the republicans, it's the democrats. there is about a dozen says let's push back the mandate, the penalty, joe mansion of west virginia saying let's delay it a year. we're going to talk about gop
problems, but how big of a burden could obama care be for democrats in 2014? >> it could potentially be a very significant burden, chris. i imagine most of the people calling fe delay are -- for del are up for reelection. i think the political impact depends on two things. number one, the behavior of the republicans. if that was the case, that will shift attention away. assuming they don't do that, let's turn to substance. if there are many more cancellations, that's the big problem. if you look at the american people who have coverage really care about, it's have u lower cost increases. it would be because of other
factors, that will politically be a real problem. >> the people asking for the delay for a year right now did nothing during the shut down. then they did the whole dog and pony show and they would not budge on that issue. we reenstatinstated and started government get. >> with their votes, there would have been enough to delay it. >> so the american people deserve better. they are doing the blame game and no one is getting down and doing business. >> a lot of the problems did not come into full focus until the calamity of the roll out. they're saying if the government can't get it's act together, how can we ask private sit zens to do the same thing. >> they know in advance and they hope to skate by. the employer mandate, they knew that would be a huge problem if
it game into force because a lot of people would lose their coverage if the employers had a sight fine for a plan that was not in compliance. they delayed that for a year. they did not delay the individual mandate because the penalty doesn't hit you until you file your swort taxes. they news all of these problems. >> i know it's crazy to foresee or predict, how big of a deal will it be in the election. >> you will see the white house do what dr. manuel did today. it's not seven million, it's five to seven million and those numbers are irrelevant. these numbers are significant because you're right, they said we're going to have a lot more people on medicaid. the cost of the program will be upside down.
fewer healthier and younger people. they're playing again with the numbers with another misstatement. you talked about going to boston. the president said look six people signed up around the affordable care act, but only 128 people that signed up in massachusetts in a comparable period. that means in the comparable period there should have been 5800 people. they should have 23,000 people signed up in that initial period and they had six. how bad is it? sdsh. >> you didn't have t ththe the whiteboard here to explain that. capital to make it happen? without the thinking that makes it real?
there is several on the dock educadocket. terry mccalov is lead k. and women are the difference. he leads by 13 points and one poll. for all of the talk about learns lessons from november 2012, are you making the same mistakes all over again. >> i thought that was my ad they were running against me. it's the blueprint they use against republicans. but i look at obviously the race, you have a purple and a blue state, and it looks like governor christie, the more modern of the two, who approached things in a bipartisan problem solving manner will win in high double
digits. and they really cater to them to in a purple state, it's not over. so we have to figure out what approach is better. i personally like the christie approa approach. there is room for me, czsarah palin and others. and delling with women's issues is an important factor. >> virginia used to be reliably republican. but it's possible on tuesday that the top five statewide positions, governor, lieutenant governor, will all will democrats for the first time since the 1970s. obviously virginia was a lynch pin of their campaign in 2008 and 2012, what do you see when
when they look at a state like that. >> there had been some discussion that the reason that the state went for obama was because he is a different type of candidate. the demographics favored him, and if another republican went to run there it would be better. they have raszed a lot of money. terry has been focused on social issues, and you're seeing this coalition come together that democrats believe can be a model in the future. >> there is another gorchl's race on tuesday and th-- govern tuesday, and right now it looks like christie is going to win conclusively. look at one of his ads. >> chris christie, what it means to be bipartisan for the
american people. he lead to the best job growth. he balanced every budget without raising taxes. >> karl, when you look at new jersey and virginia, and i want to pick up on what senator browbrown said, what's the lesson. >> i want to dispute your analysis of virginia being reliably republican. cane and warner ru now in the senate. the republicans only took the legislature in the last few years for the first time since reconstruction. this state abeen in play for awhile. they have had a lot of democratic characteristics. i would say this about new jersey. chris christie had real clear politics.
i don't think it will be that big but he has add success as being an incumbent governor, and he is prying away elements of the opposition's base. i want to update your numbers. as of this morning, the real clear politics average is 45.3. just like i think it will be drawn back to it's roots, my sense is the virginia race is not five points, it's going to be closer than that. 15% are undecided or say they're committed to the libertarian candidate, but half of them are going tom place else and by comparison in nurnlz, about 5% of the voters -- >> do you think he will win? >> julie was right, the money is
astonishing. $34.4 spent to $19.7 million spent. she under 50% of the vote, you have one out of every six up for grabs and we'll see. >> senator bayh you used to run and begin in reliablely republican indiana, do you agree with that? >> yes, so how do they need to run if they hope to do better in 2014 and 2016? ? >> it was very dominant in primaries and caucuses. you see the mirror image of that republican party today. so what are they all about? are they here to win elections and governor or to send a
message. and we're seeing that in these two governors races. you had a goran in new jersey that responded to hurricane sandy. he was seen as a maverick and a problem solver, and virginia they changed the rules to try to ensure the most conservative candidate won. >> they took out the primary and did is state convention? >> correct. in a state like virginia that is now more purple, you have to appeal to women, moderates, that's what the republican party needs to do if they want to win the presidency. >> senator brown, i know you don't like is this, but i'm going to do it again to you. >> it's come up again, there is another -- it's going to come up all of the time. there is a political rumor about scott brown. supposedly you put your house in massachusetts up for sale. >> it's just too big.
>> you started a political action committee in new hampshire. >> by law everybody knows that you need to form a pac to give one dollar to anybody. that's the law. with regard to my political future, there is a roll for me. it's not about me. it's about letting people know who we are as a party and how we can move forward with a positive message. >> i take that as a definite maybe. remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. you can find it on our website. and make sure you follow us on twitter. up next hour power player of the week. charles krauthammer. my customers can shop around-- see who does good work and compare costs. it doesn't usually work that way with health care. but with unitedhealthcare, i get information on quality rated doctors,
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this week we continue our two-part profile with our colleague charles krauthammer. he shared his viewed in his new book "things that matter." he often never opens up about his private life that confines him to a wheelchair. it didn't change the trajectitr trajectory of my life. >> charles krauthammer is
talking about his terrible accident 41 years ago. the devastating injury he sustained and his determination not to let it define him. >> getting around is harder, it takes longer and needs more effort, but if you were to look at my story it has not changed it. >> these are the last pictures of him standing. on spring break in bermuda in 1972. two months later he was back at school diving into a pool one day. he hit his head on the bottom and severed his spinal cord. >> i need what happened, why it happened, and what it meant for the future. >> he set two books on the side of the pool. the agnnatomy of the spinal cor
and man's fate. i started from day one with no hope. i knew what life would be like. >> his idea of acceptance is not like most people. while recovering the next year in the hospital, he continued his studies and he finished med school near the top of his class. these days he drives around washington in a special minnut van. >> after the show he goes to watch his beloved washington nationals. >> is there anything that you ever get sad about that you don't -- that you can't do. >> i would like to play tennis again, or water ski, but yeah,
you know you also grow up. there are elements of life that i miss. but there was never sadness. >> that may be the most remarkable part of the story. all that he has accomplished and all that he does in a wheelchair there is not a trace of self pity. >> everybody has a cross to bear. mine is obvious. on the scale of things it's way below the top. you have two choices now. live a good life, or live a miserable life. that to me was a very easy choice. although his accident kept him off water skis, but he started playing chess. until he became so addicted, he forced himself to give it up.
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