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more information for your vacation planning is available at >> and now, "bbc world news." >> this is "bbc world news america." i am jane o'brien. the search for survivors continues in california where people are coming to terms with the damage caused by mudslides. relations between the u.s. and pakistan seem to have gone from bad to worse, so what is fueling the rift? >> "the new york times" was barred from publishing anymore classified documents. jane: director steven spielberg speaks to us about his new film, the current climate in hollywood, and donald trump. >> anybody that offends, there
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is a label that is immediately attached to them. that can't be true. they are all fake news. ♪ ♪ jane: welcome to "world news america." the search continues in california where eight are missing after tuesday's mudslides. 17 are known to have died after a torrent of mud carrying boulders the size of small cars crashed through montecito. more than 500 homes have been damaged or destroyed. james cook reports. >> turn around. the flash flood is right there! get out of here! james: this was the moment it began. >> oh my god, mom. james: then panic.
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>> it was one million miles an hour in slow motion, if that makes sense. i clicked into survival mode. >> wake dad up. james: every second, it's just roaring and banging against the house and the most vicious, violent sound you ever heard. james: montecito is only beginning to grasp the scale of the disaster, which will bear its name. for this idyllic town of 9000 people, recovery will be long and hard. >> people walk their dogs through here. my kids have grown up riding their bikes. james: noel fled with her children before the storm, but many of her neighbors did not. >> two young boys were swept out of their home, along with their mother, in the middle of the night, and the dog is gone. they are lucky to be fine. it's like a war zone here. there are homes that are just missing. i walked down the street, and i see balls and toys and bicycles and shoes and socks and knives
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and hammers. people's lives have washed to the ocean. james: much of the debris ended up clogging the main coastal motorway. we were told the people in this car escaped. above the town, the scorched hills are scarred by rivers of mud. the mudslide came roaring down, sweeping everything before it, and if you want to know how houses can be swept from their foundations so easily, this is the answer. look at the size of the boulders that were pushed down from the mountain. to drive through this little town is to be stunned by the power of this mudslide. southern california was once famed for its agreeable climate. these days, it reels from drought, fire, and flood. james cook, bbc news.
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jane: a friday deadline is looming for president trump to make a key decision on the iran deal, which was agreed by the previous administration. he faces a choice of whether or not to reimpose sanctions. many european countries are urging the u.s. president to uphold the pact, but even if he does, his treasury secretary explained other penalties outside the parameters of the existing agreement could be imposed. >> i am expecting new sanctions on iran. we continue to look at them. we have rolled them out. you can expect there will be more sanctions coming. jane: for more on what is at stake, we are joined by former state department spokesperson p.j. crowley. nobody knows what the president will do until he does it, but if he does impose sanctions, is that the end of the deal? p.j.: from the u.s. standpoint, it would blow up the deal, and iran would feel under no
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obligation to abide by the terms of the agreement. i do expect, like he did the previous time, the president will rail against the deal, repeat that it is the worst ever. he won't necessarily certify this, which is a u.s. requirement, but chances are for the moment he will continue to suspend sanctions. jane: he is in direct conflict with some of his biggest european allies. how damaging is this to his relationship with them? p.j.: it is a very significant problem. the iran deal is not a bilateral agreement between the united states and iran. it's an international agreement, and it would be devastating to perceptions of american leadership if the president were to blow it up. we are still recovering from the impact of withdrawal from the paris climate agreement. this would be devastating to american leadership.
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jane: do you think he is listening to them? p.j.: he has kicked the issue to congress. congress is working on some sort of legislation to "improve the deal." i still think there is a chance sometime down the road that he may blow this up, but in the meantime, as the secretary said, there are plenty of opportunities to keep pressure on iran because of what they are doing in places like syria, what they did during the recent protests. the dilemma is, if you do withdraw from the iran deal, you give the clerics a reason to change the subject, and so, so far, so good. jane: what about north korea? they must be watching what is going on very intently. what impact do you think the uncertainty over this deal is having on negotiations? p.j.: i think there's an interesting interplay. the conservative critique of the iran deal was that it's a bad
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deal because it didn't solve all the problems that the united states has with iran, while the net effect of that is to actually complicate what is happening in north korea. if you say, the only deal that is appropriate is one that solves everything, it makes it that much more difficult to find a way to stop the north korean nuclear program, short of demonstrating capability, and give your self diplomatic room to walk north korea back. if that is the mindset that we have, and we transfer that to north korea, it does make the result in that situation more difficult. jane: the rhetoric surrounding this, how undermining is that to the success of the deal regardless of sanctions? p.j.: from an iranian standpoint, the real issue is the snapback of nuclear sanctions. they are not happy, and the rhetoric is keeping pressure on iran. it is forestalling european investment in iran.
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as long as the sanctions remain lifted, iran will remain with the current situation. jane: more than 600 have been arrested in tunisia in a wave of anti-austerity protests this week. japan has summoned the chinese investor in took you to express grave concern after a chinese simmering and frigate sped near islands in the east china sea. japan controls the uninhabited chain of islands, but china also claims. in the u.k., the former leader of the u.k. independence party, and man who did more than any other coalition to get the referendum on eu membership and then when it for the leave campaign, says he thinks they should do it again. nigel farage says the vote for brexit would be even bigger than last time, putting the issue to rest. a few people have been killed in pakistan when police clashed
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with demonstrators incensed by the murder of a six-year-old girl. police say there have been 12 similar murders in the past two years. sticking with pakistan, we may be only two weeks into 2018, but relations with the u.s. have taken a heavy heat -- hit. president trump took aim at islamabad, for offering not more than lies and deceit in exchange for aid. the trump administration then froze most security assistance. pakistan has responded by suggesting it is suspending military and intelligence cooperation. earlier, i spoke with pakistan's ambassador to the u.s. how did it get this bad? >> we are disappointed, and we are surprised. disappointed because the language used is an affront to all that pakistan has done, all the contributions we've made to
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counterterrorism, and we've made good successes, working with the u.s. and also on our own, and surprised because we were having conversations with the u.s. leadership. we were searching for common ground, and then this comes. best handle the situation. give me jane: a sense of what it is like when you wake up in the morning and there is a tweet like this from the u.s. president. how do you react? >> normally, you do not react to any tweet, but it's coming from the highest level of decision-making in the u.s. we do recognize that this could
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end up becoming the policy, and therefore, we did pay full attention to the content of it. we do not respond to tweets as such. we had an institutional response. we thought, we don't want to respond in a tit-for-tat situation, but some of the points that were raised, like the role of aid, the issue of lies and deceit, we had to address, and we addressed them, and we indicated very clearly that pakistan does not want aid. we also questioned the figure of $33 billion. jane: to the broader point, there has been criticism by the u.s. on pakistan's efforts to combat terrorism. why is it so difficult to convince the administration of the efforts you are making? >> you can see the situation in pakistan. in the last three to four years,
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we have eliminated safe havens from tribal areas. the security situation has improved. we used to have 150 terrorist incidents on month. jane: why doesn't america believe you? >> pakistan has made that achievement. the situation in afghanistan, unfortunately, has deteriorated. according to u.s. reports, 40 areas are not under control. that means you are talking about militants, and you are going back to the time when it all started, 2001, 2002. pakistan, i guess, provides an easy or convenient scapegoat for the failure in afghanistan. jane: how much cooperation is there between you and the u.s. right now? >> we would like to have more cooperation. we think the answer lies in further intelligence cooperation, military to military cooperation, even diplomatic to diplomatic.
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that is the only way fax will come to be known. the u.s. says there are safe havens for the taliban and haqqani. we say there are none. if you have technology, tell us where they are. we would be happy to eliminate them if there are any. both the taliban and haqqanis have been pushed to afghanistan, and we continue to do that. we are quite committed to it. we have a clear message to the taliban and haqqanis. that is the cooperation we expect. jane: very briefly, do you see a way out of this? do you see relations improving anytime soon?
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>> the united states wants to stabilize afghanistan, and pakistan wants to stabilize afghanistan, because we have suffered the most from instability in afghanistan, i think that is only a question concerning the methodologies. the answer lies in both countries getting together. jane: we will have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming in. you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come, president trump makes the case that there was no collusion with russia. we hear from someone who has spoken to him about his growing frustration. youtube has cut ties with logan paul after he was criticized for posting a video appearing to show the body of a suicide victim. the 22-year-old said he felt ashamed after filming at a location in japan known to be a
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frequent sight of suicides. this channel has more than 1500 subscribers. ♪ >> he's one of the most popular video bloggers on youtube. 15 million subscribers watches comedy vlog. last night, youtube said it was cutting some business ties with logan paul over a video he posted at the end of last month. video, which we can't show, featured the dead body of a man who appeared to have taken his own life. in a statement, youtube acknowledged it had taken a long time to respond but it also had been listening to comments and wouldism, and it said it soon announce steps to make sure no similar videos would circulate ever again. made a severe and
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continuous laps in my judgment, and i don't expect to be forgiven. i'm simply here to apologize. youtube said it would put on hold original projects from the 22-year-old and said they would program. feature his logan paul isn't the only one being criticized. anger is being directed towards youtube with questions like, why didn't they take down the offending post initially? what took them so long to issue a statement in response? why is his channel still up on the platform, allowing him to make money from advertising? last year, "forbes" magazine estimated at just over 9 million pounds. jane: next week, president
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trump's former chief strategist steve bannon will reportedly be interviewed by one of the committees investigating russian interference in the 2016 election. the president has maintained there was no collusion. for more on mr. trump's frustration, like colleagues kathy k and kristin frazier spoke with chris ruddy for their program "beyond 100 days." >> this president has been very cooperative, i think a lot more cooperative than i would've advised them to be. certainly any other president investigation, turning over documents, not asserting executive privilege. he opened himself to questions on the matter. i was not involved in the campaign because i run newsmax, but i know a lot of the people involved. i don't believe there is any evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russians.
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>> does he feel that this investigation, whether it is from capitol hill or the fbi, is overshadowing his presidency. -- presidency? >> yes. i think it is be -- he thinks it is being used as a blunt instrument being used against him. all they do is talk about this, and i think what is frustrating to him and his close friends and supporters is they have taken nothing and created it into something. let me give you an example. if you look at this whole story, there is no evidence that has emerged that there has been collusion with the russians. we have two indictments. there have been two congressional investigations and no evidence. >> steve bannon thinks the meetings between don jr. and the russians were treasonous.
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that aside, is it easier with ban and out of the way for the president to reach across the aisle and start to do some deals? >> i disagree with steve's treasonous -- i don't think it was smart the way that meeting went down, that i think most -- but i think most campaigns would've taken the meeting in one way, shape, or form. i think bannon was a weight on the president, preventing him from moving to the center. i think it's important he moved to the center on the things like immigration, infrastructure, education, even national security issues, and the donald trump i've known will do that in short order. we are seeing signs of it. we are living through a very polarizing period here in the country, but i think he is the guy who can break through. >> when you say you have known
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him for 20 years, do you think sometimes he is conflicted in the way that he has to appeal to his base? sometimes, i suspect his instincts are democrat. >> i think he is more of a centrist. when i first knew him, he was a democrat, a consent -- a conservative business democrat. he's a unifying guy. he's not an ideologue. he's not rigid. he likes getting deals done. he's very pragmatic. he will look at an issue and say, we need infrastructure because the country needs this modernization, whereas a conservative might say, we don't have the money, and liberals might say, this needs to go for different things. trump would say, we need to do this for the good of the country.
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>> when did you last speak to the president, and what is his mood? >> i saw him about 10 days ago, i guess, when he was down in florida. he was down there for that period of time over the holidays. he was in a happy, very gregarious mood. he had just gotten the tax bill through, and in fact, he told me he thought he could do a lot of bipartisan legislation this year and that the democrats were open to working with him. jane: chris ruddy speaking there. for his latest project, director steven spielberg has teamed up with tom hanks and meryl streep for "the post." the film focuses on the publication of the pentagon papers, and the director says he thinks the trump administration is using the same tactics as the president nixon administration to silence the press. he spoke to will go bouncer.
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will: before the watergate scandal, there were the pentagon papers, the first expose of a cover-up in the nixon government by "the washington post," led by ben bradley and kay graham. >> do you have the papers? will: you have described it as a timely movie. steven: if you flip the 7 and the 1, you get to see the great arc of the pendulum that has brought us back to the same tactics that richard nixon used to try to silence the press. i'm talking about the current administration and their absolute broadside in of media, social media, news, anybody that offends, there is a label immediately attached to them. that can't be true because they are all fake news. it's a lot more insidious today than it was in 1971. >> meaning?
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>> we could all go to prison. will: there's been another massive press expose in the last six months, which looks like the endemic sexual harassment and exploitation of women in hollywood. you are a senior figure, and you've been around a long time. do everything, i could've done more to stop this? steven: i can only react to that question within my own workplace environment. within my organization, there weren't incidents other than a couple of years ago, that gave me the -- the experience to be the authority on the question you ask. will: what happened? steven: i won't go into detail, but they happened years and years ago where we had to let somebody go.
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>> thank you for your frankness. steven: my prediction is that this watershed moment for women and extolling the courage of women who, like katharine graham with the pentagon papers in her decision to publish or not to publish, so many women have found their voices, and they are begin -- being given so much support. i think this is not just another news cycle. i think this is a permanent change in the culture. will: may be, but as kay graham showed with her courageous leadership at "the washington post," exposing corrupt behavior is one thing. changing it is quite another. very much looking forward
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to seeing that. when you want to find out what we are working on, do check out our facebook page. i am jane o'brien. thanks for watching "world news america." >> with the bbc news app, our vertical videos are designed to work around your lifestyle, so you can swipe your way through the news of the day and stay up to date with the latest headlines you can trust. download now from selected app stores. >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation, and kovler foundation, pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. >> planning a vacation escape that is relaxing, inviting, and exciting is a lot easier than you think. you can find it here in aruba. families, couples, and friends
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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight, a growing death toll in california's search for survivors after massive mudslides plowed into homes and swept cars away. the house of representatives reauthorizes a controversial foreign surveillance program. and trouble in and, trouble in paradise-- as violent drug gangs move in on a popular vacation spot, how will mexico protect tourists and the billion dollar travel industry? >> since tourists are the consumers, this also creates havoc. the drug lords immediately recognize them as revenue generators. >> woodruff: all that and more on tonight's


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