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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week," final countdown. >> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- final countdown. an historic deal with iran in reach, as the clock ticks down, could the negotiations still fall apart? martha raddatz is inside iran this morning. and then, 2016 drama. trump's rallying cry on immigration. jeb's eye-popping fund-raising. and hillary's first national close-up. the other woman in the race, carly fiorina is here live. plus -- >> what if atticus finch is a racist. from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now.
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and as we come on the air this morning, those marathon talks to keep iran from getting a nuclear weapon may finally reach their end, after years of jockeying, 15 days straight of negotiations, the next day appears to be make or break, hopes for a deal highest in iran this morning and our martha raddatz is live on the scene in teheran. good morning, martha. >> good morning, george. this could be a country on the brink of change. a high-ranking iranian official telling us a short time ago, that she's quite optimistic that a deal will come in the next 24 hours. in vienna, secretary of state john kerry told reporters this morning, he had a positive meeting with the iranian negotiator, but there are still a few tough things to figure out, although the secretary says he remains hopeful. major sticking points have been iran demanding an end to an arms embargo, including on ballistic missiles and how fast sanctions
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would be lifted. this a nation that continues to back syria dictator. we have been here all week. talking to the people of iran, listening, watching, what we found is a nation of contradiction, struggling to change. iran is vibrant. chaotic and divided. from the chic shopping malls, many years ago, you would probably have been arrested. >> yeah. >> reporter: to the mass marchers we saw this week. >> obama, very bad. john kerry. >> reporter: it's a nation in a tug of war, it's em boldened youth population battling against those clippinging to the past. it's that divide that made a nuclear deal so hard. the u.s. support of the corrupt former shah led to the seizure of the u.s. embassy in 1979. since the holding of those hostages for 444 days, a deep and bitter mistrust has
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continued. but in iran, the vitriol against the u.s. and the israel goes beyond just words. iran's ability to build a nuclear bomb has become a very real threat. candidate barack obama thought that there was a new way to convince the islamic republic to end its atomic quest. it became reality in 2013, the first direct communication over the years, despite the best ability to stop them iran's ability to build a nuclear bomb has become a very real threat. candidate barack obama thought that there was a new way to convince the islamic republic to which denies it wants a bomb to
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end its atomic quest. >> we need to disarm iron and syria. >> reporter: it became reality in 2013, the first direct communication between the u.s. and iran since 1979. years of punishing sanctions brought iran to the negotiating table and the chances for a permanent agreement down to the wire. >> we're not going to sit at the negotiating table forever. >> reporter: the u.s. has staked much on these negotiations, but there's even greater pressure here in iran. while the hard-liners have a powerful voice in this country, look again at these young people, at this young family, welcoming american visitors. 70% of iranians are under the age of 35. born after the revolution. those who support a deal are hoping for, especially here, is not only an opening up of cultural relationships with the are of the world but also economic gain. the sanctions prevent iran not
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only from doing business with the u.s. but for most of the industrialized world. the iranian stock market we visited expected to soar on announcement of a deal and eventual lifting of the sanctions. >> i believe the sanctions are not fair to people. because it's hurting the people. not the government. >> reporter: you would like to nt? >> iranian people -- >> the sanctions have been difficult for everyone? >> yeah. it is difficult for everybody. >> reporter: but not as difficult now as it could be if there is no deal. people here are expecting change. and counting on it. "the new york times" reporter has lived in iran for 13 years. >> if there is a deal, we'll see at first people dancing on the streets, it doesn't mean they want to, you know, change their country and have starbucks and mcdonald's on every corner, but
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it does mean they could move forward with a future without sanctions. >> reporter: the talk and the tension in vienna, in the end, it will be up to this man, the supreme leader, if there's a deal, he'll have to have approve it and he'll have to be the man to bridge the gap so evident in iran today. and yet, addressing students yesterday, the ayatollah said be prepared for a struggle against arrogant power. a clear reference to the u.s. it may sound like he's against the deal. even if there's a nuclear deal, no one expects our countries to become the best of friends and as we said, many here are optimistic about a deal, including one of iran's vice presidents who we spoke to earlier this morning and you are
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smiling this morning. does that mean you are optimistic that there could be a deal any time? >> yes, for sure. i'm quite optimistic. >> reporter: earlier in the week, there was a clear setback and things got quite fiery it appeared, the american officials say it was because the iranian negotiators said they wanted all sanctions off the table. >> iran deserves a road just like any other country in the world in terms of trade, particularly being able to defend itself. but the mentality of sub jek dags, one sperior to the other. that has to change. >> if there is a deal what will that mean for iranian and american relations? >> it's not necessarily we're going to have cordial relationships. it will signify an opportunity for both sides to work together
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to resolve some of the issues that we have in this part of the world. >> isis. >> isis. or drug trafficking or other issues. >> so, one week from today, when we look back on this week, what do you think we'll say? >> we'll look at this moment, i think, as an important turning point in history, it is a game-changer. >> and one note about the vice president, back in 1979, she was the young spokeswoman for the students who held those americans hostage at our embassy. and back in washington, congress will have 60 days to review any deal that may be reached and for that, we throw it back to george. >> thank you, martha. bring us to a senior democratic on foreign relations committee, bob menendez. you just saw the optimism for iran. does that optimism makes you hopeful or anxious? >> it makes me anxious. because what the deal looks like is incredibly important.
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we have gone from preventing iran having a nuclear ability to managing it. and what we are doing is basically rolling back sanctions for not rolling back iran's nuclear infrastructure, but rolling back sanctions for verification. >> according to administration putting it up for 10, 15 years. >> we started off on the wrong premise. we did not test the premise, can you get some of that infrastructure to actually be removed? at the end of the day, that's where we started. we started off with the premise that iran could not keep its nuclear infrastructure. we still have a plutonium reactor. we were originally told by senator kerry that was going to be dismantle by them or destroyed by us.
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uranium enrichment that's deep inside a mountain. that's going to stay. so the question is, even president obama said, under this potential deal in 12, 13 years, they'll have a pathway to a nuclear bomb should they choose to do so. and how they choose to structure, that to make sure if that's the best deal you're going to get, what type of verification, inspection regime, any time, any place for the international atomic energy administration, what type of sanctions relief are we giving? not withstanding a deal that the president makes it very clear statement to iran, that as it relates to the future, we cannot accept iran having a nuclear weapon, period. that's the premise we started on.
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>> it sounds like you're not going to spot it? >> i'm going to judge it with all the elements. obviously, i think we should have started in a different way. i'll judge the agreement based on what it is. we have to make very clear that there's a der deterrence in the longer term. in 12, 13 years, we'll be back to where we started. >> senator, thank you for your time. >> thank you. that brings us to our next guest carly fiorina. she broke through the glass ceiling at hewlett packard. after getting fired in a board room shake-up. but with tin tenacity, she is reaching higher than ever. >> i'm carly fiorina and i'm running for president. >> reporter: the only woman in a sprawling gop field. touting her experience. >> i understand how the journey
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works. >> her personal journey. >> i'm a cancer survivor. >> reporter: and taking on hillary. >> unlike her, i have actually accomplished something. >> earning her good reviews at early campaign stops. can that energy boost her poll numbers and buy a ticket to those first debates. and carly fiorina joins us live from manchester, new hampshire, good morning. thank you for joining us. i want to start with the iranian nuclear talks. you have walked away from the talks a long time ago. if you were president, what would you be doing with iran? >> well, i would have walked away, because if you can't walk away from the negotiating table, the other side just keeps negotiating and that's precisely what's happened. we have caved on every major goal that president obama sent, as senator menendez pointed out. so oi would walk away and tell the iranians until and unless
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they are prepared to open every nuclear facility, for full inspections we'll make it difficult for them to move money around the system. we don't need anyone's approval to do that. beyond that, of course, we should have recognized from the outset that china and russia haven't been negotiating on our side of the table. in those two countries' interests that iran's economy is open. they have been negotiating on iran's side of the table. >> let's talk about the economy right now. jeb bush, has set a goal of $4 million economic growth. he caused stir with this statement. >> forced participation has to rise from its all-time low. people need to work longer hours and through their productivity gain more income for their families. >> the phrase need to work longer hours drew a lot of criticism from many front, including from the campaign of ted cruz.
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that the he is out of touch with the struggles that man americans are facing. what did you think of that comment from governor bush and do you agree with his goal of 4% growth? >> well, i think 4% growth is a good goal, and i think the fact that we have become used to an economy that sort of putt-putt along is sort of tragic. i think we need to understand what the true engine of economic growth and job creation is in this country. it has always been small businesses, new businesses, family-owned businesses, community-based businesses. that creates two-thirds of the job. and employ half the people. we're now crushing those businesses. in fact, we are destroying more businesses in the united states now that are being created for the first time in our mystery. meanwhile, capitalism is alive and well. with a very large, complicated government which we have, only the big, the powerful, the wealthy and well-connected can survive. americans who have jobs are working longer and longer hours.
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those who are working part time want to work full time. we're tangling people's webs in waves of dependence. our programs send them e to fall back in the webs. yes, we need to grow this economy, but that begins by understanding where growth and job creation come from, that's the small, the new, the family-owned businesses. the community based businesses. those are being crushed by the weight and the power of this federal government. >> big economic speech coming tomorrow from hillary clinton. she'll address the defining challenge of our time, the wage gap, the fact americans are working harder than ever before and their wages aren't going up. do you agree with the way she's defined the problem? >> well, i think income inequality is a huge problem. the state of california, liberal policies have been in place for decades and yet 111 billionaires, good for them the highest poverty rates in the nation.
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the exodus of the middle class. the destruction of industry after industry, now they're destroying agricultural in california. the truth is hillary clinton's idea create more income inequality. why? because bigger government creates crony capitalism. when you have a 70,000 page tax code you have to be very wealthy, very powerful very well connectioned to dig your way through that tax code. she may decry income inequality. whatly continue to point out is the fact that every policy she's pursuing will make income inequality even worse. meanwhile, we'll continue to crush the businesses that create jobs and middle class families. >> donald trump drawing a huge crowd in phoenix, arizona, last night. i know you have already critiqued his campaign so far, saying he's trying to get a whole bunch of attention, is the republican party at the risk of the side-show becoming the main event and will you support donald trump if indeed the long shot comes through, he's the nominee.
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>> it's interesting. i have been in new hampshire now for six days and i haven't been asked a single question about donald trump, on the other hand, i think, donald trump taps into an anger that i hear every day, people are angry that a common sense thing like securing the border or ending sanctuary cities is the somehow considered extreme. it's not extreme, it's common sense. we need to secure the border. people are also angry at the class of both parties that talks a good game, gives good speeches and some how nothing ever changes. >> carly fiorina, thank you very much for joining us this morning. >> coming up a whole new look at atticus finch in this year's hottest book. will "to kill a mocking bird "still feel the same? and three major u.s. companies paralyzed by computer problems on the same day, coincidence.
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>> now, gentlemen, in this country, our courts are the great levellers and our courts all created equal. >> an iconic american character, paragon of tolerance and acceptance. harper lee's brand-new book "go set a watchman" paints a darker picture of atticus finch, a racist. with 2 million copies already ordered in advance it will pack a cultural punch when it goes on sale on tuesday. mary murphy, welcome. some people are already saying, they're not going to read the book, they don't want to ruin their view of atticus finch, how big a jolt was it for you to read these pages and see the racist revealed? >> reading the book atticus fink says a lot of racist things.
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that was the normal for alabama at that time. this is state after all that would rather close public schools than allow them to be integrated. and what atticus finch says is not unlike what a lot of white southerners were saying, it was a rare thing to find a liberated southern white man. so, the character in this novel is in keeping and in tempo with the political history of alabama. >> not unlike her description of her father at the time, this book was written in 1957, i got to read most of it last night, i couldn't put it down, it was kind of shocking, you almost felt the shock that harper lee must have felt when she went home from new york and went back to her small hometown.
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>> i think that -- i mean that is -- scout is really the hero of this novel and you -- you hear this story from southerners again and it's a painful story of coming home to where you came from and finding that you're completely at odds with the beliefs of your family, of the people that you love, of the place that you love, and this is a story that harper lee tells, i mean, her father was a legislator. it would have been shocking for him if he got elected if he was a completely liberated southern man. >> last saw harper lee on june 30th. do you think she's aware of what a shock to people this will be and are you confident that she wanted this book published? >> i don't know how much she reads the paper, i don't know if she's following the coverage, i saw her last thursday. i came with a crew and microphones and i was given permission to record an event in
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monroeville, alabama, when she received her first copy of "go set a watchman." she expressed happiness about it being published. she said thank you to her publish erps. all her statements indicate happiness about it being published. i would leave it there. everything's that come from her and from her lawyer and from her friends that are close to her, they all say she was delighted that this manuscript was found and that it's being published again. >> i have to say, i'm just one reader. to me it enriched the experience of "to kill a mockingbird." >> did you get to the end, scout gets a little drunk. >> i have 50 pages to go. mary murphy, thank you. the new york stock exchange, united airlines, the wall street journal, computer glitches got them this week. coincidence or the latest in cyber wars? that is up next. >> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by hp. ugh? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path
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three major american companies on the same day. we also learned that the massive hack on the u.s. government compromised more than 20 million people, abc's pierre thomas reports on how the u.s. is fighting back. >> reporter: a cyber attack of epic proportions, with extraordinary national security implications. 22 million federal workers, contractors and their associates exposed. the u.s. office of personnel management hit by hackers. storing critical information from government background checks. among the victims, the fbi director himself. >> i'm sure the adversary has every place i have ever lived since i was 18. all of my family, their addresses. >> reporter: the primary suspect according to u.s. officials, the chinese government. >> only the imagination limits what a foreign adversary can do with detailed information about a federal employee's education, career, health, family and personal habits. >> reporter: the opm director resigned friday amid the fallout. as the nation comes to grips in
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an era where federal agencies are under siege. >> they are juicy targets. so we worry night and day. >> reporter: just days before the first opm breach was detected. how many have been breached? >> miest kate is tens of thousands. >> reporter: they use a sophisticated monitoring system that revealed under wide interdeeper than first thought. >> the board you're looking at is a system that we call einstein. >> reporter: einstein? >> einstein. we're able to understand how much traffic comes in and out. what looks wrong at a certain time. >> reporter: while einstein may be improving cyber security, critics say the u.s. government's defenses are inadequate. >> it doesn't work.
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>> reporter: the nominee to head the joint chiefs of staff says the military will respond. >> my role is to provide the president a fuel range of options to deal with the cyber attacks. >> reporter: fuelly engaged. for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, washington. thanks, pierre for that. more on this from cyber terrorism expert richard clarke. welcome back, richard. we heard how worried the fbi director was. try to give a chance how serious this breach was. and what can be done with this information. >> it's very serious. because the form that i had to fill out when for about 100 pages. everything about my background. they have that for 21 million americans. date of birth, social security number, foreign contacts, foreign trips, any problems you have had medically, any addiction problems. they can use this information to blackmail people and use it to steal identities. george, i don't blame the
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chinese. this is what intelligence agencies do. this is what we, the united states does, we steal information. i blame the obama administration for taking this issue not seriously enough. this is almost criminal negligence. >> those are strong words, richard. we just saw them say all options are on the table. if it's criminal negligence, what's the important thing that needs to be done right now that's not being done? >> we need to take the job of cyber security away from 50, 60 small government agencies like opm who can't handle it and create one authority in the federal government that has the mandate and the money to secure cyber space. >> you said this week, we saw these glitches all hit the same day, new york stock exchange, united airlines, wall street journal webpage, computer solve ware problems blamed. every official who came out, no, this is not an attack of cyber war. you sounded a note of skepticism.
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>> they all said it wasn't cyber war within moments after it happening. to find out that it actually takes week of forensic activity to go through the log files and do the good detailed forensics. we know two things, coincidences do happen in the world, a lot. we also know in cyber war, people do trial runs. and they try to make the runs look like something other than they have. they try to make them look like normal computer failure. either way, it proves the network we rely on as a country are very fragile and if this happens without anybody doing malicious activity, think of what could happen if someone did do malicious activity. >> scary stuff, richard clarke, thank you very much. we'll be back with more from martha raddatz in tehran. and the roundtable. the week in presidential politics hillary's first interview, bush's big haul.
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and the ubiquitous donald trump. >> announcer: catch this week online all week at abcnews.com on facebook and twitter. who would you rather have negotiating a trade deal with an who would rather have negotiating a trade deal with anybody? trump or hillary? so, who would you rather have negotiating a really good deal with mexico, china, japan -- trump or jeb bush?
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>> several thousand people in phoenix last night for donald trump, let's talk about it now on our roundtable joined by cokie roberts, greta van susteren from fox news, van jones and kristen soltis anderson. she has a new book out called "the selfie vote." we got to start with donald trump, he's sucking up a lot of oxygen here in the media space and it's got some republicans, you know, antsy. >> very antsy, because he's not only taking the attention from candidates that they think are better candidates, once again, he's rielg up hispanic voters. republicans have been trying desperately to woo those voters.
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>> isn't that an opportunity, greta, he says all these things to push off him? >> he put a stink bomb in the republican party. ore in the spring win the caucus starts. so, yes, he's forcing them to talk about it. getting off other topics. >> the question is, kristen soltis anderson, what kind of staying power does trump have? he's the candidate that more voters he would never vote for under any circumstances. so you imagine he is going to fall eventually. the question is when? >> it's a little bit self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. he gets 10% in the polls. he gets 90% of to coverage of the republican primary, lot of folks, they'll get these calls from pollsters. they'll read through 17 names, who are you going to vote for, and trump's the last name they heard on the news. these polls are about name i.d. i think that once the debates begin, trump will go back to the side show. >> i don't think he's going to give up, though. he may stick it out to the end. >> that's the question.
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>> he'll be in the debates and he's going to be saying this stuff with republicans next to them, they'll have to say they you agree or disagree. i want to be clear. it's fine for americans to disagree about immigration policy. he's gone beyond that. he's talking about the mexican people themselves. he's saying that the mexican people who are coming here are rapists and murderers, 14 million people he's smearing and maligning. that's wrong. we have to say clearly that kind of stereotyping of 14 million is not acceptable in american politics. >> also this week, we saw the first major television interview for hillary clinton. cnn. here's a little bit of it. >> i have never had a subpoena. again, let's take a deep breath here, everything i did was permitted by law and regulation, i had one device, when i mailed anyone in the government, i would go into the government system. >> you had that. didn't get the best reviews over the course of that interview.
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>> that's where she has a problem, not so much the e-mails, because that's hard for voters to care about. but she's not on her game in these interviews. she's just not there yet. she did say one thing that we'll be hearing a lot about, she said, what voters care about, who will be there when they need you. and that some what plays into the grandmother thing. because your grandmother is there when you need her. that's the way of dealing with this age issue. because i think that is the real issue. >> see, i don't think it made a bit of difference that interview. she's unique in politics. people who love her still love her. people who hate her will still hate her. most americans who might be in the middle aren't paying any attention at this point. i think all of this did is sort of call off the dogs. because the media was insisting on an interview. i think that was the only
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purpose of it. she did her interview and will goc bah to politicking. but i don't think it made a bit of difference. >> i think she was kind of pushed into it. she had that horrible moment, having rope pull reporters away from her. she had to do something. >> but, the moving rope, i think she had to do something, she did something. had she been doing a bunch of interviews we would be saying, she's overexposed. no matter what she says she's hillary clinton. shooers going to be controversial. >> everything i did was legal. that's problem not the headline that you really want out there, in hillary clinton, i think for some democrats there's a little bit of nervousness, big crowds showing up for bernie sanders. by the way, sanders is winning about a quarter of the democratic party. there's not really as much handwriting is he under cutting the democratic grand? >> look at some of the things he
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says. he's a socialist. i don't think he's being taken seriously. trmpb is tapping into something that bothering a large portion of the population. >> sanders is tapping into something, too, he's tapping into the sense of the big guys get everything and the little guy -- >> they're all saying that. >> they're both tapping into different strands of populism. >> i can't get off the things that he's written and admittedly in the early '70s some study for the cure of cancer -- >> that's about the staying power. i agree with that. right now -- >> he's less likely to stay in than trump is. >> one thing that will keep -- i'm actually not sure about that, either, i want to move on, one thing that's going to keep jeb bush in is money. he raised $114 million. van jones, you saw democrats take off on this need to work
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longer hours comment. even though he clarified it was part time workers. you can bet we will hear measure on that later. from hillary clinton. >> absolutely. this is very dangerous territory for jeb bush, look, i trust that he's being taken out of context to a certain extent. the reality is, when you have someone like him saying, you need to work harder. >> he said longer hours. that's a different thing. >> let me get back to that. the most important thing that we have to take seriously here is that american people are working longer hours, the wages haven't kept one those longer hours. defense are going to be hitting hard on this part of wage stagnation. republicans are vulnerable because they're against the minimum wage hike. they want us to work to 70 or 75. those things don't sound good at this moment. >> what he says and what the reporters who were there say was that he was talking about one of
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the reasons wages are low because people aren't working long enough hours to get it. they are working part time -- when they want to be working full time. >> right. >> not running on cylinders is right now the problem. what he is saying, the problem. if we're running on seven out of eight cylinders that's not the kind of economic growth we need. it's hard to argue for higher wages. >> the dangers of media, you dare to speak to them and they'll sound bite it to death. hairs split and everything else. >> don't you think he's doing a good thing of going out there every day and talking. >> and talking. >> get the facts right. because actually in voluntary part-time work has gone down because of obamacare, because of obamacare, fewer people working. it needs to be a lot better. i just want to say, there's this idea that the republicans have been beating up on, obamacare is
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a dars disaster, that the -- it's the numbers are different than what republicans are saying. >> something else, a milestone in race relations this week, that confederate flag in south carolina came down from the statehouse. at the same time, you heard the segment on this new harper lee novel, cokie roberts, you have had a chance -- you lived through this. what do you think people are going to take away from it all? >> i think the book -- seeing that flag come down is quite a moment. i'm such a geek. i watched the whole debate in the south carolina house. >> it was some debate. it was really something. the emotions on both sides were really quite high. i had ancestors who fought in the confederate army. i know this life very well. but it was -- it was a moment that the country really needed to have happen. to have that flag come down. but the book is another story, because the book is truth, i mean, i think is her real book, an editor, whomever said,
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america don't want to read this book right now, too raw. i lived that, too. i would go home from high school in louisiana, and see members of my family, not my parents who were great civil rights activists, but the others, you know, saying things that were just shocking to me. and it's very, very hard. >> i want to something about the flag coming down, i'm a southerner, my whole family is from the south, i remember my father, very strong guy, we would drive around, we would see that confederate flag on the back of the truck he would get tense. i know the power of that symbol to intimidate people. when that flag came down, lot of tears came down. i was proud of governor haley. >> good for the flag coming down. now for the book, i hate to see heroes destroyed. it's a fictional hero in "to kill a mockingbird."
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but nonetheless, it's a hero destroyed. however, i think the new book, you know, puts a topic on the table that we forever be discussing. and working on but we need to be discussing it in good faith, with good heart and good mind. >> having read it, i don't think it destroys atticus finch, i think it deepens him. and makes you see a full man. >> heroes are complicated. >> and this is a fictional one, too. >> in the process of "to kill a mockingbird." for the very first time -- >> how you did miss in school? >> we had a choice of different books and i picked fahrenheit 451 instead. i'm in the middle of reading it. i was surprised to see this reaction on social media. my reaction, this would be like if harry potter, a different book, hermines hanging out with the death eaters. but hearing your perspective is interesting. this is more representative of the time. >> absolutely.
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the movie was even more part of our culture than the book. >> that's right. >> and the movie, gregory peck is fabulous, first of all, he's atticus finch as a complete, no complicated hero. >> that's the last word today. than my name is jose lopez. i'm a troubleman in san francisco. i've been with the company for 29 years. a troubleman restores and troubleshoots electrical issues, getting customers' power back on. we're 24/7, 365 days a year. i love my job. going up in the bucket and seeing all of san francisco, it's an exhilarating feeling. i was born and raised in san francisco. this is where i live and there's a sense of pride in providing great power to our customers. when i go out there and get their power back on, there's a great sense of satisfaction. together, we're building a better california. yo we're back now with jimmy carter, it's hard to keep up with the former president as he travels the world for the carter center.
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at the age of 90 he's just published his 29th book. i love the title of your book a full life. >> it has been a full life. >> that is all you can ask for at 90. >> with confederate flags falling across the south, carter reflects on america's history on race. >> the race issue has been a major factor in my life all of the way through. >> you had that declaration right after you were elected governor. >> i say to you quite frankly that the time for racial discrimination is over. >> you look back to 1971 and think on the one hand we have come so far, we have elected an african-american president. kbu these problems still persist. >> we kind of took it for granted we eliminated the concept in america that whites were superior in some way to blacks. i think we late our guard down. >> are you surprised that the
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election of president obama didn't lead to more progress on this issue? >> i think in a strange and unpleasant way, this kind of resurrected some animosity among people who thought that whites should be superior. >> no president has lived and serves out of office longer than carter. his work with the carter center has redefined what is now an institution post presidency. while he may be retired from politics, he keeps a close watch. how do you think of hillary's chances now. >> i think she'll get the democratic nomination. >> despite this bernie sanders' surge? >> he seems to be doing well in iowa and new hampshire. there won't be a problem with the hillary clinton nomination. because mon dominates and she has an inside track on the massive amounts they are going to four into the democratic side. >> four years out of 90, still
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the most spence, seared by the iranian hostage that dominated carter's last year and doomed his bid for re-election. >> it was the worst year of my life. having the hostages held by iran. most of my advisers i would say wanted me to take military action against iran. i felt then and still feel that if we had attacked iran they would have responded by killing our hostages. >> although you did tell them if they harmed a single hostage -- >> i sent world that we would close all access to iran to the outside world. and i meant what i said and i think he believed it. >> you said you don't know for sure why the ayatollah held the hostages. until you were out of office. what does your gut tell you? >> i don't want to comment on that. i don't really know. >> five minutes after carter left office the hostages finally released. >> i would say that's the most happy moment of my life. >> of your life? >> yes, i think it was.
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>> how much do you think of what might have been -- what a second term would have looked like? >> looking back on it i wouldn't have changed it. carter center has opened up a new opportunity for us to serve in 80 countries in the world. >> you have said, you and your wife are prepared in a religious and psychological way for what comes next, what do you get there? >> i'm not eager to get there. i'll be 91 next year. the carter center is going to be turned over to other people. i'll have more time with rosalyn at home and my wood shop making furniture and painting pictures and looking at birds. we'll have a nice time in our little hometown. >> make a full life even more full. >> well i think so. it's been the best part of my life since i left the white house.
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i have been both gratified, honored and pleased. exciting to be the president of our country. >> such a pleasure to talk to president carter. we'll be right back with more from martha raddatz in tehran. >> and for our sunday spotlight, back to martha raddatz reporting from what appears to be a new iran. >> thanks george. the change in iran in a few short years is striking.
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when i first start coming here years ago, taping any scene on the street and talking to people about their views was nearly impossible. not anymore. yes, we needed a permit but once we got one, the city opened up to all kind of surprises. we have been free to roam the markets, the restaurants, the streets. what kind of music do you listen to. >> pop music. i love music, pop music. >> reporter: to talk to just about anybody about anything. >> my cell phone, my apple. >> what do you have? tanga, instagram, facebook. >> reporter: what is the one thing you wish you would change here? >> do whatever we want. i have problem with the scarves. i have problem going out. i cannot go out easily. >> reporter: but if progress is measured about the amount of hair revealed and the color it's
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become, we noticed a lot of progress on the streets of tehran. something else we saw again and again. bandages across the noses of many young women an observation which led us here. >> my nose is down but -- now it's perfect. i like it. >> reporter: did it hurt. >> no. >> reporter: it's hard to believe but conservative iran is the nose job capital of the world. here having a newly sculpted nose is a status symbol. the doctor here. noses have them choose look very western. >> iranian nose, a little is a big nose, not like the european nose and therefore, the iranian girls like have a surgery on her nose to get it to beauty. >> reporter: across town n a much smaller office it's not
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nose jobs these young iranians are seeking but steve jobs. describe where you think iran is in the tech world? >> the biggest untouched market in the world. >> hammed has big dreams co- founding a start yun that sells audio books online. kurt vonnegut. and steve jobs. what do people think about steve jobs. >> come on, you poster up of steve jobs it's the best market. >> reporter: especially when you're not paying for the book licenses. so, you're making money. >> yeah. >> reporter: a lot of money? >> yeah. >> reporter: and he and his partners are hoping to make more if the sanctions are lifted. but, no one expects this country to change dramatically overnight. or expects these cultural protests to change the serious issues that have left many people here frustrated and afraid. but for the young people we met, it's a start.
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yes, it is a start. and that is it from tehran this sunday. while we wait for those historic negotiations, george, to end. >> travel safely, martha, thanks for all that. a big welcome to our newest viewer, anna brooke heath. the daughter of our producer. congratulations to them and big brother sean. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america."
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