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to me, oh, wait, you are asleep? i feel there were things on the list, is that me? am i the serial killer handwriting, i don't know. >> david, the line it's not you, it's me. the age-old, why would you say that? >> like emily, i've never been dumped either but i did dump somebody once over not liking "seinfeld," that's it. >> thanks to everyone. have a great friday, everyone. here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, fox news alert, update on the ongoing and growing crisis in ukraine. all of it comes after the defense department identified the military units that could be deployed to help the country if russia does indeed invade. hello, and welcome, everyone. this is "america reports," i'm sandra smith in new york and look who is with us today.
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shannon, welcome. >> wonderful to be with you on this friday. should be a very busy packed couple of hours. shannon bream in washington, in for john roberts. russia may invade ukraine as soon as february. >> sandra: but moscow says it will not start a war with its neighbor, even though there are more troops. now 125,000 massed. >> greg palkot is on the ground, hello, greg. >> hey, shannon, sandra. a very revealing press conference, more on that in a moment. first a couple breaking developments. build-up of russian troops and planes in the region continues. russian jet fighters in neighboring belarus, 125,000 soldiers encircling the country, and the white house says a distinct possibility of attack and b, identifying what u.s. troops could be called up in the
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event of invasion. russian president putin in a phone call with the french president macron said that u.s. has ignored russia's demands nato back away from the region in a written response that washington delivered to moscow. they say they won't attack, they say there is no room for compromise. to the press conference now, revealing, president zelensky spent most of the time with us trying to tamp down fears of invasion, saying they are not seeing any immediate indication of an incursion. still, my question and others he did express real concern about the massing of russian troops. >> the risk is there are too many of them, there could be any provocation and the probable escalation may be triggered. accidental provocation, nonaccidental. >> shannon, the president also, however, knocked the u.s. a bit
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and the biden administration decision to start the evacuation from the u.s. embassy. these are captains of diplomacy, he says, they are jumping ship. final words, we are not the titanic. let's hope. back to you. >> greg palkot at the heart of this, thank you very much, greg. and sandra, a lot to unpack in what we are about to hear from the pentagon. every word measured so carefully, parsing what we hear from top officials around the world. >> sandra: and we will hear from general jack keane, he has identified what he says are strategic errors made by president biden. one, says the troops that we have prepared, ready to go, should have been in nato's country weeks ago, and increased amount of trainers inside of ukraine, pointing out that we have 150 there, he says we should have increased the training capacity, we should significantly increase the arms to ukraine as well, he says,
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we'll ask him about that. >> senior administration official giving background, apparently a u.n. security council meeting on monday. they will put russia on the spot and what it's doing, the world is trying to provide a unified front as we await for the pentagon to tell us more on the u.s. view. >> sandra: we'll go to the news conference when it begins. surveillance video captured a dramatic shootout on the streets of houston. a gunman wounding three police officers before leaving the scene and later being arrested after a standoff. all three officers are expected to be ok, thankfully. meanwhile, hearts are heavy in new york city where officer jason rivera was laid to rest today. services are set for next week for officer wilbert mora. both were killed after a gunman opened fire during a domestic disturbance call in harlem.
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part of a wave of violence against police officers nationwide. fox team coverage all. we will be joined, ok. we are going to go live to the pentagon right now as we are told this news conference has begun. john kirby at the microphone now, we are going to listen. >> and so we can get a chance to get through everybody, and i'll be coming back to call it towards the end of it here as we get ready to class. secretary and chairman have opening statements. i will stop talking so they can deliver their opening statements and then right to questions. >> thanks, john. and thanks to everybody, i'm really glad to be with you. i know you are covering the situation in europe closely and so i want to update you on what the department is doing to support ukraine and to uphold our iron clad commitment to our nato allies. as you know for months now
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russia has been deploying forces to crimea, and along the ukraine border, including in belarus. it has progressed at a consistent and steady pace involving tens of thousands of russian troops. and it is being supported by increased russian naval activity in the northern atlantic and the mediterranean sea. while we don't believe that president putin has made a final decision to use these forces against ukraine, he clearly now has that capability. and there are multiple options available to him, including the seizure of cities and significant territories, but also acts or pro vactive acts like the recognition of break-away territories. russian state media is spouting off about alleged activities in eastern ukraine. this is straight out of the
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russian playbook. and they are not fooling us. we remain focussed on russian disinformation, including the potential creation of pretext for further invasion or strikes on danbas, or further incursion into ukraine would not only ignite conflict, but violate the bedrock principles of national sovereignty, territorial integrity, and self-determination. so this is something that we are taking very seriously, both as a strong partner of ukraine and as 1 of 30 members of nato. we are unified in opposition to russia's attempts to undermine those core values and threaten peace and security in europe. so let me be clear on where things stand today.
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first, conflict is not inevitable. there is still time and space for diplomacy. united states in lock step with partners and allies has offered russia a path from crisis and toward greater security. the department of defense will continue to support those diplomatic efforts. second, the united states remains committed to helping ukraine defend itself through security assistance material. since 2014 we have committed more than $2.7 billion in security assistance to ukraine. p that includes more security assistance to ukraine in the past year, $650 million, than at any previous time, and so in december president biden authorized $200 million insistance, which included additional javelins and other
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anti-armor weapons, grenade launchers, large quantities of artillery and small arms ammunition, and other equipment. those deliveries are ongoing. indeed, another shipment just arrived today. and third, the united states will stand shoulder to shoulder with our nato allies, that includes reinforcing security on nato's eastern flank, and as you know, we placed thousands of u.s. troops on prepare to deploy orders earlier this week. if nato activates the response forces, these troops will be ready to go. now the situation on ukraine's borders is changing rapidly. but as we look ahead, there are a couple of things that we can count on. one, this department will continue to provide president biden with options to defend our national security interest in response to russian actions.
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and two, we will stay united with our nato allies. earlier this week i spoke with my polish counterpart. yesterday i spoke with my romanian counterpart, and this morning i had two very good conversations with my counterparts in france and germany. as we have made clear, in addition to the significant economic and diplomatic costs that russia will incur, a move on ukraine will accomplish the very thing russia says it does not want, a nato alliance strengthened and resolved on its western flank. united states will contribute to nato's response forces. and we will coordinate with our nato allies and we will make sure that they have the capabilities that they need to defend themselves. article 5 is clear on this point. attack against one nato member
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is an attack against us all. and as president biden has said, the united states holds this as a sacred obligation. and we will do right by that commitment. and mr. putin can do the right thing as well. there's no reason that this situation has to evolve into conflict. he can choose to deescalate. he can order his troops away. he can choose dialogue and diplomacy. whatever he decides united states will stand with our allies and partners. i want to briefly address two other items before we open it up for questions. first, on wednesday i was honored to join the president when he signed an executive order to help us deliver on the promise that all men and women in uniform should be able to serve their country free from
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fear of violence or harassment. this executive order will improve the military justice system response to sexual assault, harassment, and related crimes, and i welcome it. and finally, as you know yesterday i directed changes to the department's civilian harm mitigation and response policy oversight and process. within 90 days we will unveil a plan to specify the range of actions we will take on civilian harm mitigation and response, including important steps building of knowledge and best practices and tools for preventing and mitigating and responding to civilian harm. but i also ordered some immediate steps, including the establishment of a civilian harm center of excellence. reporting to me, that will compel us to learn from our mistakes and to make changes in
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stride. i know personally how hard we work to avoid civilian harm, and to abide by the law of armed conflict. i have also said we need to do better and we will. this is a priority for me, and we will ensure that we are transparent as we continue this important work, and so now i'll turn it over to the chairman for his thoughts. >> thanks, secretary and good afternoon everyone and appreciate having an opportunity to address all of you. ukraine has the right to be independent and they have been an independent country since 1991. russia signed the budapest memorandum in 1994, with the united states and great britain, that guaranteed the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine. it's the policy of the united states government to continue to
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support an independent ukraine and their goals and we are continuing our effort to enhance their ability to protect themselves. we strongly encourage russia to stand down and pursue a resolution through diplomacy. armed force should always be the last resort. success here is through dialogue. the the russian federation has amassed upwards at this time of over 100,000 ground forces, air forces, naval forces, special forces, cyber, electronic warfare, command and control, logistics, engineers, and other capabilities along the ukraine border. ukraine is the second largest country in europe with a population of 44 million. it's divided in the middle by a river, prominent terrain
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includes flat, open plains, and there are abundance of rivers and lakes and a high water table. and when that high water table freezes it makes it for optimal conditions for cross country tract and wheeled vehicle maneuver. the city of kyiv has a population of nearly 3 million people. other major population centers are karkov, and some in the west. there are mean people and highly dense population centers throughout ukraine. and if war were to break out on a scale and scope that is possible, the civilian population will suffer immensely. ukraine military has about 150,000 active duty service members, with many more in the reserves. they consist of multiple units, sea, air, land, and they are
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currently disposed and arrayed throughout ukraine with a high density on the eastern section, and line of contact in the dunbas region. they have other units and maintain artillery, air defense, depots, and they have a highly regarded territorial force and people's militia. their combat capabilities have improved since 2014, when russia annexed illegally crimea. but they need additional help to defend themselves, especially from an invasion force the size that russia is currently massing. if russia chooses to invade ukraine, it will not be cost-free in terms of casualties or other significant effects. there is a small contingent of trainers in ukraine.
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united states has 0 offensive combat weapon systems nor any permanent forces or bases in ukraine. our role is limited, we help train, advise and assist with tactics, techniques and procedures. we participation in institutional development with the military of defense. as the secretary of defense has noted, we continue to provide military material support to ukraine along with many other countries from nato, and we are ready, capable and prepared to uphold our obligation under treaty to nato, as mentioned by the secretary. attack against one nato ally is an attack against all. nato has significant military capability. nato has approximately 130 plus brigades of maneuver forces, not including u.s. forces.
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93 squadrons of high end fighters, four carriers, many more surface combatants. the military capability of nato is very, very significant. in addition to bordering russia and belarus and mal dova, there are four nato members. the president and the secretary of defense have authorized the united states military to increase our readiness in the event we have to reinforce or assist our nato allies. war is not inevitable as the secretary said, the right answer here is a diplomatic solution. i look forward to your questions. >> thanks, chairman. we'll turn to questions now, and start with lita. >> thank you both for doing
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this. mr. secretary, first, can you say whether any u.s. troops have begun moving either into or in and around europe and if not, can you give us an idea when that might happen? and then secondarily, how much risk is it to send additional u.s. troops to the eastern flank? russia even today has said they see little room for compromise right now. does sending additional u.s. forces to that region hand putin an excuse to make an incursion into ukraine? >> well, thanks, lita. you know, i think you can assume any time that we think about troop movements we always consider about, we always consider the impact that that's going to have on leaders' minds,
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and their decision making. just make two points and you raised this earlier. we haven't actually moved any troops. we put troops on higher alert. and the second point i would make, lita, even if and when we do move troops, the purpose of those troops deploying would be to reassure allies or directly in support of nato or both. so i think that again, before we make any decisions on readiness or movement of troops, we always take those things into mind what other leaders, the impact on other leaders. >> just echo what the secretary said, we haven't deployed anybody, we haven't moved anybody yet, we are just increasing our readiness levels
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and in terms of the provocation with respect to russia, that would depend on the size, scale, scope and type of forces deployed whether it's provocative to russia. this is entirely engineered by russia and president putin as an overt active coercion against ukraine. >> we'll go to the phone now. john, i think helene is up, so well go to helene next. >> hi, thank you secretary austin and general milley for doing this. i have questions for both of you. for secretary austin, you said in your opening statement that vladimir putin clearly now has the capability to enter ukraine. has he put in place the military hardware and troops that he would need to launch a full scale invasion of all of ukraine, the whole country?
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and for both you and general milley, both of you have been military officers for four decades, you served in the gulf war and iraq and afghanistan after 9/11, you've seen more iran pursue nuclear ambition. i'm wondering, does this feel different to you? how would you characterize this crisis with ukraine and russia in terms of the potential to spark a great power conflict? >> in terms of whether or not he has enough forces to conduct a full scale invasion, helene, you heard the chairman say he has north of 100,000 troops in the border region. that gives him a number of options. what he's done is he's continued to move troops and resources into the region, increased his options, and so we won't predict
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where his decisions will take him, but we remain concerned about the range of options that he could pursue and we'll stay focussed on his problem set. and i'll turn to the chairman here for his thoughts. >> in terms of the size of the forces that are amassed right now, they could, i mean, it's potential, we don't think there's a decision as the sent already made that point, but sure, with 100,000 troops and you've got combined arm formations, ground maneuver, artillery, rockets and the other parts that go with it, there's a potential that they could launch a very, very little warning. that's possible. and there's a wide scale of options that are available to russian leadership. the best option they should pick in my view is the diplomatic solution and resolve whatever differences they have. >> in terms of how this feels, helene, your second part of the
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question. as we look at that number of troops and that amount of hardware that's in the border region, far and away exceeds what we typically see them do for exercises, and so it's very concerning. where this could lead us in terms of a type of conflict or where it could put the region in terms of, you know, future activities, i won't bother to speculate on that helene. i would just say that we are focussed on making sure that we do our part to provide the president options to support and reinforce nato if in fact he does make a decision to invade ukraine. >> and helene, you know, does it feel different? sure, it does feel different. in terms of what we have seen in the past of russian exercises, etc. this is larger in scale and
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scope and the massing of forces than anything we have seen in recent memory, and i think you would have to go back quite a while into the cold war days to see something of this magnitude. they do annual exercises and we watch those closely but this is different. so we'll continue to monitor very, very closely. but yes, it does feel different. >> we'll come back to the room and go out to david. >> since the president has ruled out sending u.s. troops into ukraine, does that mean the u.s. military would not be used if an evacuation of kyiv became necessary? >> as you've indicated, david, the president has been real clear that he does not intend to put combat troops into ukraine for the purpose of conducting combat operations.
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any troops that we deploy, if we deploy troops to the region are those troops that are already in the region have multiple capabilities, and so as we conduct our planning, we always look at a range of options that, you know, we may have to pursue, but again, to the point that you made earlier, david, the president has been clear about not employing troops in ukraine for combat purposes. >> does that rule out using u.s. troops for evacuation purposes? >> i won't speculate, david, but i would say we prepare for a range of activities and options. and that's what we have always done, and that's what you can expect us to do going forward. >> and david, the state department has issued travel advisories in effect right now, and worth to the effect of don't
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travel to ukraine if you are an american citizen, and if you are there, leave ukraine. and you can go to the state department website. >> some advisories before afghanistan, too, and did not forestall the evacuation crisis. >> that's also correct. >> rest assured, david, whatever task the united states military is called upon to accomplish, we'll be prepared to do it. let's go back to the phone and reach out to phil stewart. >> yes, hi, i have a question for both of you. secretary austin, president biden's decision to rule out calling u.s. forces to combat russia early in the crisis must have impacted putin's calculus in some way. how do you assess it has impacted his calculus and do you have any concern about pursuing a strategy other than ambiguity
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as far as deterrents goes, and to -- if president biden responds by deploying u.s. troops on nato's eastern flank or economic sanctions, how do you anticipate russia will retaliate? and how are you preparing for potential retaliation against the homeland by russian use of cyber warfare. thank you. >> thanks, phil. i won't speculate what or how president putin is thinking. i think that's been the question that everybody has, you know, if he did something like this, what would he possibly want to achieve, so i won't speculate on that. i would say that our focus is to make sure that whatever happens, we are prepared to reassure our
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allies in the region and support nato's efforts, and of course this is about nato and the alliance. and i would remind you that nato is a defensive alliance, again, you've heard the chairman talk about the resources that nato has and i think they are considerable resources and again, it's important to make sure that we keep the alliance united. >> and echo, the u.s. uniformed military is ready to do whatever we are directed to do. and increasing the readiness postures for units and will be ready to execute whatever the secretary of defense or the president require of us. the homeland and cyber and all that, we have capabilities, i'm not going to go into them here at the microphone, but a significant amount of capabilities to defend and do whatever is necessary to protect
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the homeland. >> ok. let me stick with the phone and nancy yousef is out there. >> thank you, sir. i have a question for each of you. mr. secretary, we heard about military commitments from denmark, netherlands and spain, among others to defend the alliance. one decision in particular, canada's decision to keep as many as 400 trainers in the ukraine. u.s. has half that amount now. would the u.s. consider spending more, and chairman milley, do you believe the ukrainian armed forces have taken the necessary steps to defend against a large scale invasion, or not to provoke panic, the ukrainian government has not done enough? >> thanks, nancy. let me at the top thank canada and the other allies for what they continue to do alongside us to support ukraine.
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i applaud their efforts, and certainly we have had advisors and trainers there since 2014 as the chairman indicated earlier, and we remain focussed on providing all of the assistance in terms of training and advising that ukraine feels it needs, and we work that issue on a consistent basis. i would also say that it's less about the specific number, but about more about the capability that you bring and what you are focussing on, and in some cases it may take several more types of trainers to do, to train on a specific event or skill, and other cases less so. so rest assured that we are in constant communication with canada and the u.k. and everyone
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providing assistance to ukraine at this point in time. >> for me, i'm not going to comments on the composition and the disposition of the readiness of the ukraine forces in any kind of detail. i don't think that would be appropriate for me to do that, given the current situation. >> barb. >> a question for both of you. mr. secretary, you have talked a bit here today about u.s. troops providing reassurance and deterrents to the eastern flank of europe. can you help people understand a little bit more about what that means in terms of what u.s. troops would be doing to fulfill that mission? how do you know when you are done? you don't send troops unless you have an exit strategy. what would it take for you to ever trust vladimir putin, and general milley, you laid out some pretty dire scenarios if
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the russians decided to make that full move. could you explain a little bit more? you mentioned, for example, the capital of kyiv. how disastrous could it be in your assessment? are you looking at massive civilian casualties, are you looking at massive refugee flows, the impact on the security of european that has existed for so many decades if the scenario you are laying out were to come true. thank you both. >> in terms of our reassurance efforts, barb, as you know, we have had a number of forces in the region and training with the eastern european countries. those forces, and that's been going on for quite some time, and those forces provide great value, just their presence reassures our partners there
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that we are interested in them, interested in helping them, the types of things we do with them routinely is train with them and enable them, and really increase their level of readiness and so that's been very helpful to them, and it has strengthened our bonds with our allies and partners in the region. these are temporary deployments, and so again, we will continue to sort this out as we go forward, but again, we are focussed on nato, we are focussed on reassuring our allies and that's what this is all about. in terms of trusting putin, i don't think this is about trusting putin. this is about our allies trusting us. and so that's really what we are focussed on and we, you know, mr. putin at some point in time
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will reveal what he's thinking, but again, i'm not sure that he's made final decisions on what he's going to do yet, so -- >> and barbara, let me first say that as the secretary said up front, we don't think final decisions have been made to conduct any sort of offensive operation into ukraine by the russians, and we firmly believe there is still room for diplomatic outcome here. having said that, given the type of forces that are arrayed, the ground maneuver forces, artillery, ballistic missiles, the air forces, all packaged together, if it was unleashed on ukraine it would be significant, very significant, and would result in a significant amount of casualties and you can imagine what that might look like in dense urban areas along roads and so on and so forth. it would be horrific, it would be terrible and it's not necessary and we think a diplomatic outcome is the way to
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go here. >> very quickly follow-up, can you -- do you have a view, can you, either of you, can you keep u.s. forces from having to deal with russian forces directly, if you are reinforcing eastern europe, for example. will u.n. forces be in missions against russian forces, can you keep them away from russian forces? >> again, our presence here helps to reassure our partners in the front line countries there, and you know, barb, that we have an article 5 commitment to our nato partners, and so if putin were to attack one of those countries, then of course that commitment -- that's an iron clad commitment, the president has said a number of times we will live up to that commitment, and so -- but again, our focus is not on fighting in ukraine, it's on reassuring our
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nato partners and allies. >> sir, time for just one more, one more, sir. sir. >> can i follow-up on that? >> let's go to louie from abc. >> thank you to both of you for doing this briefing today. i would like to go back to something that lita asked at the top and the way that you framed the response about provocations and how they are perceived by russia. typically you do not disclose prepare to deploy orders, particularly when you are talking about large numbers of forces like the 8500 you put out this week. what was the calculus in doing that? are you sending a message to russia, and is it possible that the way they see that, they may see that themselves as a provocation? >> again, our focus is on making sure that we are ready to live
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up to our commitment to nato should the nato response force be activated by nato. this, putting our forces on a shorter string enables us to get there in a shorter period of time, and again, i think that provides reassurance to nato that we are ready to live up to our commitments. in terms of what putin thinks and the way he feels about things, again, it's hard to predict. we take those things into consideration, but again, if you look at the forces that he has moved into the region, and that he continues to move into the region, you know, there was no provocation that caused him to move those forces, so -- you know, we'll continue to listen to what he says, and watch what he does.
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chairman. >> i would echo all of that with respect to the forces, you know, for 20 years iraq, afghanistan, etc., we have announced when forces are rotating, etc. we attempt to be transparent with you and congress and the american people and the use and deployment of military forces. with we alerted, based on the direction from the president and the sent of defense, increased the readiness status of the forces so the forces themselves have been told and we think it's better from a transparency standpoint, better to inform you, the media, the american people and congress, the forces that are out there that are being alerted. in addition to that, the piece about, you know, assuring and deterring with respect to our nato allies. we think it's also important to be transparent with you and the american people with the military. >> thank you all, we have to get going. thank so much, gentlemen. >> sandra: defense secretary
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austin, chairman milley wrapping up their remarks and q and a portion of the press conference, update on the escalate n conflict on the border of ukraine with russia. let's bring in general jack keane, fox news senior strategic analyst. seems the message is they can achieve success through dialogue, secretary austin saying there is still time and space for diplomacy. reaction to what you just heard there, welcome. >> i don't think there was much news there, certainly. but i do appreciate the fact the leaders of the pentagon are engaging with the american people and i think that's really appropriate and something with he can never do enough of. number one. i believe the fact that diplomatic door is still open is real. there are two paths that have taken place. one is, united states and nato's response to the russian proposals that were on the one hand pretty outrageous and the fact that ukraine should never,
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can never join nato, and all forces that have joined nato since 1997 and in those countries we should pull back the nato forces in those countries. that's outrageous. but there are negotiating points. the offensive weapons that are in those countries and that russia has across the border, that's a negotiating item. intermediate range nuclear missiles, a negotiating item, and has been in the past and could be again the amount of exercises. there is a second pathway taken place and it began this week in paris, and using the norman di format, established after the last incursion into eastern ukraine, participants are france, germany, russia, and ukraine. they have met and there is a thought that there could be a minx2, the previous agreement that ended hostilities, since
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blown away because hostilities have been returned for years. they are going to meet again in berlin in two weeks. the fact that it's taken two weeks to have that meeting again also lends itself to how serious is it. but those are two paths still open and i don't think to be any military invasion of ukraine while putin's cohort, president xi is hosting the olympics, and while these two diplomatic efforts are going forward. i don't want to overplay it, i mean, clearly putin has the forces there, but he wants concessions. he saw opportunity, he believes the united states is weak, particularly after afghanistan, let's face it, that's what's happening here, and he can get some concessions, and they are significant enough, and they have helped him to save face,
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minsk two could help him do that, but the secretary and chairman have laid out very capable, multiple military options inside ukraine on the one hand, with very high civilian casualties as well. >> general, shannon bream here. the 1994 budapest memo came up, signatories, the u.s., u.k. and russia, recognizing the territorial integrity of ukraine. could we trust vladimir putin will hold up that end of the bargain of russia's signature of the deal leaving ukraine alone, or will he continue to play the semantics games, saying there are portions of ukraine that are not ukraine, and he would have access to without being in violation of the agreement or others. >> every signature that putin has placed on an agreement that my mind can recollect he has
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violated. the idea of trusting putin even though he's got a signature on a document is an absurdity. the only way we deal with that agreement is obviously we hold him accountable and holding up to that agreement. but trust him, never. the only thing that putin truly respects is strength and the will of his opponents, and he is questioning the will of the united states and also of the european allies in dealing and protecting ukraine, helping to defend ukraine in terms of arms, and also seeing this crisis through to the end. he has question marks about all of that, and that's why he's here because he thinks he can gain from it. >> sandra: on that note, general, you have talked about this recently about the amount of training that we have deployed to ukraine, and we just heard from the joint chiefs as
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well as the defense secretary that the u.s. role is limited to training in ukraine, at last count, 150 in their training. do we need to ramp that up? are we doing enough on that front, if we are limited indeed to that role at this point. >> yeah, i think we missed an opportunity when putin put tens of thousands of troops on the border of ukraine back in the spring. i think it was 70, 80, 90,000, something along that, clearly a provocation and intimidation of ukraine, intimidation of nato, and i thought we should have reacted rather strongly to that at the time so he does not repeat that activity. and what am i talking about? yes, increase to trainers to assist the ukraine military. we have national guard there, special operations guys that have been in there. we could have doubled or tripled that kind of capability, and i've always felt that we are underarming ukraine in terms of what the real shopping list is.
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obama administration would provide no lethal aid. trump started with small arms ammunition and anti-tank weapons. but there was no additional provocation from putin. now we have had provocation and i think we should have significantly increased it. we have done some of that, but we have not given them all that they need and some of it they desperately need. we are talking about an air campaign here that putin has in his kick bag and could be very significant, not just supporting ground forces, but taking down strategic targets in and around major cities and infrastructure. they need anti-aircraft missiles. they also need missile defense, and need anti-drone capability. i did not realize we had given them artillery, good news. i believe that after this major provocation that we certainly should have up-gunned our armament. we say we are not going to war to defend ukraine, i understand that, and i respect that
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decision. they are a nonalliant country, but also say we are going to help ukraine defend themselves, so let's give them everything that is reasonable to help them defend themselves, and that's the issue i have, and what's behind the reticent? the same behavior in the obama administration, many of the foreign policy people served in that administration, and i always felt that president obama got paralyzed by the fear of adverse consequence, why he did not response to the chemical attack in syria, would not provide lethal aid in ukraine because putin was threatening escalation. i believe the reticence here is we did too much, it would provoke putin and give him the excuse to use that for justifying invasion. i think that's hollow thinking in my judgment. putin uses false narratives all the time to justify what he's doing and we have seen that now for ten plus years.
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>> sandra: general, thank you very much for joining us on the breaking news as we monitored that news conference that has now ended. general, thank you. >> great talking to you. >> gets bring in karl rove. smith and bream coming at you here. we are going to tag team this one. so, first you had a chance to listen on what we just heard from the defense secretary. general jack keane's summation was there was not a lot of news there, but it could happen at any moment, the message from the white house and the defense department from the pentagon. your thought on this moment and the response so far and the messaging from this white house on how we plan to proceed, knowing that this is in the words of the defense secretary a moment ago, a situation that is changing rapidly on the ukraine borders there. >> yeah. i think jack keane was right. not much news there. i thought general milley was particularly effective in laying out that there would be big
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consequences of a russian attack on ukraine with large numbers of casualties, including significant civilian casualties. i walked away from the news conference with, a sense that we were late, a sense that america is behind the power curve and general jack keane alluded to that. these troops, 125,000 troops plus the 35,000 russian allies, they did not emerge yesterday. began to put this together last spring, 70 to 90,000 troops positioned on the borders, and we should have been acting then. during the news conference the general referred to, or one of the questioners referred to the 400 canadians and general milley indicated we have about 150 trainers there. canada has two and a half times as many trainers as we do helping prepare the ukrainians to defend themselves. i think the united states has been behind the power curve for at least the last year since this began pulling up.
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i also agree with general keane that talking matters, not only provides us an opportunity to potentially have putin stand down, but also because of the weather. remember general milley was talking about how when the ground freezes, very high water tables in ukraine and when the ground freezes it makes it easier for tracked vehicles and wheeled vehicles, the mobility of the russian forces to invade. well, that happens but when it stops freezing and begins to melt, it turns it into an utter mud disaster. so some point in february or march where if it gets to that point, where the weather is going to start to turn into an adversary, not an ally of the russian, and keep talking there's a better point it does not end in a catastrophic attack on ukraine. i've been to kyiv, first went there in 1992, a number of times.
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it's a wonderful country. they aspire to be part of the west, they share our values, important against the russians, and it breaks my heart how hard they have worked to be a modern country. >> a lot of pressing about the u.s. troops, what they will be doing or potentially doing, and the question of whether evacuations are necessary for american citizens to get them out of ukraine came up, and both secretary austin and general milley said listen, we are telling people they need to leave. we are not going to talk about whether the u.s. troops would go in, but the reporter followed up, that's what you told folks in afghanistan and raised that spectrum. this administration cannot afford to have another group of americans left behind. they don't want to send u.s. troops into a ukraine, but i did not hear them say they would not do it for evacuations, they don't want to talk about that. >> they were specifically asked
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about it and damaged it. and president biden went out and without, you know, without getting anything in return, announced the united states would not commit my troops to the defense of ukraine. we don't say that, for example, about taiwan. we keep a strategic ambiguity to keep it a little clouded and not so precise to help our rivals and adversaries. but yeah, now in a hard place, particularly after afghanistan. some things could be done quietly, rather than making announcement of how they were asking some of the staff of the embassy and their families to move, they could have moved them quietly and without a big production. sometimes it's better to keep things ambiguous rather than so precise and certainly in my opinion made a mistake, both on declaring that u.s. troops, the united states would not come to the defense of ukraine and then making a big deal about some of the staff from the embassy being moved out of the country.
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>> sandra: karl rove, great to get you in there on a busy news hour and news day. and shannon, you go back to secretary austin's words a moment ago on the path to diplomacy and the general backing it up that he sees it as an option, telling reporters that "any russian attack or further incursion into ukraine, would not only ignite conflict but bedrock principles," and saying conflict is not inevitable, the secretary of defense said. so, very interesting but seems karl and the general in agreement, not a lot of new coming from them. >> yeah, and the briefing is partially for the briefing, for the core there of reporters and for the americans who are listening, but you have to think about how much of that is messaging, of course, to vladimir putin knowing he's watching every word these top military leaders from the u.s. are saying and we continue to hear, off ramps, there is diplomacy and they are giving him an out, whether he takes it
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or not. >> sandra: great point, the world is watching. this is the fox news weather alert, 70 million people in the northeast are under winter storm watches at this hour as a major storm forms in the atlantic ocean. hurricane force winds and heavy snow expected to slam the region this weekend. chief meteorologist is live with the fox weather forecast. what do we need to know, rick? hi. >> blizzard warning in effect the coast and mid atlantic to the northeast, a windy storm along with heavy snow that falls. you'll notice when you look at the advisories here, it's a coastal storm. we have had a couple of other storms so far this year that went interior sections and brought all the snow across parts of upstate new york, and northern new england. this is the storm for the cities and for the coastal areas. we are already getting some snow, you can see that, areas from d.c. up towards philadelphia and new york, that is not the main storm. the main part of the storm is forming off the coast of
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florida. that will be the storm that throughout the overnight hours rapidly intensifies and deepens and makes for really windy conditions along with the snow that is going to be falling. so, here is what's new. we have blizzard warnings in effect now all up and down the mid atlantic throughout areas of the northeast. snow totals forecasting are trending up a little bit. hurricane hunters have been actually flying in and out of the storm to get a sense of what the atmosphere is like, feed more data in. we are expecting the highest across eastern new england. timing tonight through tomorrow and see a lot of wind and flooding along parts of the coast. watch this future track of the storm, coastal areas during the overnight hours but we are going to talk about the bull's eye of this across part of southeast new england, over two feet of snow by the time this is done. >> get ready for it. those in its path, it is coming. rick, thank you for the update. shannon. >> oh, boy. new at 2:00, human rights activists issuing a call to
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action for olympic athletes to speak out against human rights abuses in china. as the opening ceremony for the beijing winter games is now one week away. one says morals are worth more than olympic gold. and we'll be joined to talk about the rise of violent crime in the big apple. and a bridge collapsed just hours before president biden was scheduled to speak there on infrastructure. coming up the next hour.
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>> all new at 2:00, big tech often accused of putting profits ahead of people. but one father says it goes beyond cashing in to becoming downright cruel. he says tech giants are making money off his daughter's murder. and they refuse to stop despite years of fighting back. coming up, his campaign against the giants of big tech and how
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that led to an all new campaign for congress. >> fox news alert, we await president biden to speak in pittsburgh at carnegie melon university, to highlight what's done to rebuild infrastructure. >> sandra: a bridge collapsed in pittsburgh just hours before the arrival this morning. amazingly, only minor injuries. we'll monitor president biden's remarks and bring you the news as they come in. we role into hour two, great to have you here. >> shannon bream in for john, breaking news before we get to the president's remarks, right to it. ♪♪♪
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>> hard to believe but here we are, final rehearsals as the winter olympics begin in beijing, now critics from the hills to the nba want the focus what is happening on the other side of that country outside the media spotlight. more than 1 million men and women and children are in concentration camps in china because of their uyghur ethnicity. stories of evil that ranks with the worst atrocities in history. we will spare the graphic details, except things like forced sterilization surgeries, electrocution with cattle prods, and it is not the first time the same story of course back in beijing in 2008, back then, just
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as now, some folks are hoping the global spotlight might bring change. it did not. china did not care. one nba team co-owner enraged many with his take. listen. >> nobody cares about what's happening to the uyghurs, you bring it up because you really care. >> what? what do you mean nobody cares? >> the rest of us don't care. >> sandra: national outrage, nba distancing from the comments. some are wondering if the offensive thing is he is right, people just don't care. joining us now pro athlete who is one of the few to speak out about china. boston celtics center, enes kanter freedom. what is your message? >> thanks for having me. i mean, first of all, people need to understand what's happening to the uyghur people like you were talking about, in the world today and while we are
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talking genocide happening, and you know, uyghurs are not the only one. look at what hong kongers are going through, tibetans are going through, and it's heartbreaking. and you know, to me people need to understand we need to hold accountable the dictatorships where the genocide is happening. so i hope more courageous people will come out and say hey, this is not acceptable. >> the former human rights activist in china, from the university of chicago, a visiting professor said this, i'll put the quote on the screen. 2022 winter olympics remembered as the genocide games, to turn the sports arena into a stage for political legitimacy and a tool to white wash the atrocities. i hear you, enes in the background. here is two-time olympic skier
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noah hoffman on the athletes. >> athletes have no control over where the olympics are held. athletes have no control over what kind of conditions are put on host countries. they are just at the mercy of the international olympic committee and the host country, and this is a huge distraction for them from their sport and it makes them pawns in this geopolitical fight that you know, pits human rights against the power of china. >> sandra: interesting perspective there, as the pressure is put on the companies and the countries not to participate, and athletes are left with that pressure as well and saying this is our soul purpose, this is all we have worked for. what do you say? >> i mean, first of all, to that athlete and the athletes out there, the chinese commun mist party does not represent olympic core values of excellence, respect and friendship, and everybody knows they are a brutal dictatorship and engage in censorship, threaten freedoms, they don't respect
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human rights and genocide is happening right now. so i call it the medal of shame. all the gold medals in the world that you can win, it's not more important than your morals, your principles, and i want to ask this question to the athletes. if your mother, if your sister, your daughter or wife was in concentration camp and getting tortured, raped every day, would you still remain silent? i'm really curious at what they would say. i mean, we just -- athletes have a huge platform and i feel like, you know, diplomatic boycott is good but it's not enough. i feel all the athletes need to go out there and say enough is enough and i am not going to a country where there is a genocide happening. >> sandra: it's a big statement on the athletes, and your reaction when i quoted that human rights activist in china saying these games would be remembered as the genocide games. what was your reaction to that? >> 100% true.
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because i mean, it just -- first of all, just the i.o.c., international olympic committee is part of the problem because they are sleeping in the same bed with china, and yes, they are going to be remembered of the genocide games. if you are an athlete now social media, just go on what is happening, and you will see all the heartbreaking stories coming from there, but i feel like people need to remember this, you know, what we are trying to stand up for is bigger than sports and bigger than basketball, so i feel like athletes need to come out and say enough is enough. >> sandra: obviously a lot of pressure put on the nba itself for being more in bed with china than any other pro sports organization, adam silver pushing back on that stage the league and players track record of leadership and social justice speaks for itself.
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i don't believe it's -- we believe in the power of engagement and power of sports to have connections with disparate people. >> hypocrisy. the nba is working with one of the biggest, you know, hypocrite company in the world is nike, if you look at nike, standing up for black lives matter, the latino community, and no asian hate in america but when it comes to china, because there is so much money and business involved they are silent. and also the same with the nba, unfortunately, because there is so much business and you know, i mean -- warriors, the owner just said it, they are scared to say a word because they know there are billions of dollars involved and there are people watching the nba in china, they don't want to hurt that. so i feel like morals over money. we need to stand up and someone had to do it, and companies, and
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associations for their wrongdoing. >> enes, i have to leave it there. has it been hard for you to speak out? hard among your peers? >> i feel like someone had to do it. there are so many athletes, so many actors, raptors, singers, celebrities, people want their platform because of the business side of it, money side of it, endorsement side of it, they are scared to say a word. now people know what's going on. if they don't, i want them to educate themselves and it is -- >> enes, appreciate it. human rights putting pressure on the big sports, olympics, nba, to also speak up and do something about it. >> and makes a good point, if you have not gone into the arena talking about the human rights
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issues, and you have started down the path and said you are going to use your name and voice and play and bring light to something you think is offensive and needs correcting, one thing if we did not know about what's happening with the uyghurs but we do. and if you have given voice to things to be fixed here, concerned about human rights, i don't know how we can turn away from what's happening there. those folks don't have a voice. >> sandra: appreciate him joining us. >> the city of new york mourning the loss of one of its finest as nypd officer jason rivera was laid to rest today. crowds gathering outside st. patrick's cathedral, including hundreds of fellow officers from new york city and across the country. >> sandra: those images, shannon, are unbelievable, seeing the men and women in blue filling the streets of new york, a man shot and killed the 22-year-old officer in the ambush attack at harlem. the focus was how he lived his
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life. friends and family remembering his lifelong desire to serve his city. brian, that was really something. >> sandra, it really was. what a moving service at st. patrick's cathedral honoring 22-year-old fallen officer jason rivera. remembered for his infectious smile and his dedication for following up on his lifelong dream to become an officer of new york's finest. the nypd. people who eulogized him today, there was a long list, but including that of new york city mayor eric adams, who spoke today, you remember he was a veteran of the nypd. he thanked police officers for their service. so, too, about the police commissioner who promoted him to detective 1st grade today. >> his loss is extremely difficult for us all to bear. jason rose through every challenge that crossed his path. he was everything the city and
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the nypd needed him to be. >> rivera's flag draped casket was carried out to the officer to the sounds of "taps." thousands of officers lined 5th avenue saluting rivera as he was led one final time in a procession through the streets of the city he loved. rivera's widow spoke, he had just married his high school sweetheart dominique in october. even know she had gained thousands of brothers and sisters in blue today, she is the loneliest now without rivera. she then attacked the new manhattan district attorney alvin bragg or controversial lenient policies handcuffed the police and too soft on crime. >> i know you were tired of these laws, especially the ones from the new d.a. i hope he's watching you speak through me right now. [applause] but i promise, we
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promise, that your death won't be in vain. >> standing ovation inside the cathedral and outside as well when she made the comments about the d.a., alvin bragg, was in attendance today inside st. patrick's cathedral when the striking comments were made by officer rivera's widow. bragg released a statement afterwards saying he is dedicated to prosecuting those who commit violence against police officers. >> thank you. >> let's bring in a new york congresswoman, great to see you today. i'll start by asking your thoughts on two young officers among the latest lost now in new york. >> today is just an incredibly heartbreaking day for our city. these officers gave their life selflessly and we owe it to them, to their families, we owe it to their brothers and sisters
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in the nypd to ensure that our government has their back, that our government gives them the tools that they need to do their job, and that we repeal these disastrous policies at the city and the state level that have made our streets less safe. and we also owe it to the citizens of new york to put in place policies that make sense. you can't keep letting criminals back on the streets. they are now emboldened because they see that our politicians are not serious about crime chts the bail on albany, nine out of ten individuals caught with illegal firearm are being released back on to the street, 50% of those that actually shoot someone are being released back on to the street, and our governor is saying she does not want to make any changes? that to me is outrageous, and it's not just that, it's the rhetoric we hear from our prosecutors like alvin bragg who say they are not going to
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prosecute crimes, no more life without parole for murder, they are going to prosecute drug crimes as possession at a time when we are seeing fentanyl, the leading cause of death among 18 to 45-year-olds. it's completely outrageous and they have to stop and i hope our politicians here in new york, my colleagues are listening to the words of the widow crying out for support for the nypd. >> it is crushing to listen to her, to see these young lives gone and to hear the pain in her voice and the frustration, too, over these policies. it sounds like there is some bipartisan coming together on making some changes there. we have heard the mayor, eric adams, democrat, talk about this, about bail reform, giving judges more discretion and when they make decisions about letting people out. i want to read something from new york state senator jessica ramos, a democrat. she says blaming the bail reform law for the national gun control crisis is the latest in a long history of fear mongering dog
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whistles. 80% released on bail had no further run-ins with the police. don't fall for it. >> tens of thousands of individuals caught and released are repeat criminals, and tens of thousands of those who are arrested go on to now commit another crime. that is the reality of the bail law of the state of new york. the court has made the information public and quite frankly, i think it's outrageous when we talk about a gun epidemic, that we are seeing, again, nine out of ten individuals caught with an illegal firearm released back to the street. what does she say about that? they are not considering somebody's criminal history or dangerousness and likelihood to commit neither crime. how many times do you open up the newspaper and see an individual released back on to the street who has 10, 20, maybe 30 prior arrests. we are seeing career criminals on the street and eric adams to his credit saying he wants to
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consider dangerousness, the only state in the country to not consider that when setting the rules, and to his credit, implementing the plain clothes unit, something i have long advocated to be corrected. mayor de blasio disbanded the gangs and guns unit. if he appoints better judges, then we will see some significant changes in new york. 16-year-old who shot a cop was released on the street this week because the judge decided not to hold him without bail, what the prosecutors were asking for. he's on the street. the judge was appointed by the previous mayor and had released two individuals prior who went out and killed somebody. so the reality is, these policies have consequences. >> they do, and as you said, it's not just for officers we owe an incredible debt of
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gratitude to every day, but it's constituents and people on the streets, too. all of us who need that protection. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> sandra, the latest example. all week we have been talking about cases of officers being gunned down. >> sadly, and the houston officers news came in toward the 4:00 eastern hour yesterday and the new york post this morning, shannon, remarkable, new york stands with the nypd and it is the new york post urging residents of the city, grab this paper, show cops you care, poster and pages 30 to 31, hold up the message this morning, they were urging you to do it during the funeral, hold it up on 5th avenue for the murdered nypd officer jason rivera, his funeral was this morning. the city is continuing to deal with this, so many fronts, crises, obviously the feelings against police officers and a city that does not feel safe walking the street, shannon. >> and the men and women need to
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know we do support them regardless of the harassment they may take, we know what they are doing every day so we can live the lives that we do and we greatly appreciate it. >> absolutely, support the blue. also new at 2:00, fox news digital with their latest exclusive and police officers say criminals are not the only threat they face. they say leaders in the city are actively taking steps to turn the public against them. we'll hear from those officers just ahead. >> plus, millions bracing for their biggest dose of winter in years. who is about to be buried? fox weather has all the latest details in the forecast ahead. real cowboys get customized car insurance with liberty mutual, so we only pay for what we need. -hey tex, -wooo. can someone else get a turn? yeah, hang on, i'm about to break my own record. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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powerful winter storm that could be historic. heavy snow and hurricane force winds expected to slam the east coast from the mid atlantic through new england. nick is tracking the nor'easter. how bad is it going to be? >> you said it, it's going to be quite powerful, does not look like much now on radar, but getting its act together, the national weather service is lighting up the map as a result what they anticipate to do. winter storm watches and warnings and blizzard warnings from almost norfolk through the delmarva peninsula and the new england area, as far north as maine, and we are talking about a widespread foot of snow accumulation from that exact area, from norfolk through new york, boston, portland, and some areas will likely see much more than that. anywhere where you see the kind of light pale red or orange
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towards rhode island and then providence and eastern massachusetts, including boston, talking 2 to 3, maybe even 4 feet of snow as we head into tonight and tomorrow, as far north as manchester and portland maine and maine is going to get dumped on as well. here is the future track, and this thing is getting its act together right now off the southeast coastline, it's really going to start showing up across the mid atlantic as we get into this evening, and then tomorrow morning this thing is really going to be wound tight. we are talking 6:00 a.m., you see how close these black lines, the isobars are packed, the system is organized and very strong and windy. on top of all the snow we are seeing i just mentioned, it's also going to be extremely windy, will lead to the potential for power outages and coastal flooding as well. this is saturday at 1:00. new york, montauwk, all of maine
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seeing the heavy snow. and saturday evening and sunday morning, this thing finally pulls away. but obviously not before the damage is done. as i've been mentioning, the winds are no joke. 50 to 60 mile per hour wind gusts as we head into saturday afternoon right along the coastline. some areas like provincetown could see gusts of 70 to 80 miles per hour, this could produce hurricane force gusts every now and again. shannon, this is the real deal. >> shannon: nick, thank you for keeping us updated. you can keep track at home on the fox weather app or foxnews.com. my husband's snow blower broke down, he ordered a new one and like it's not going to snow again now that it got here. but d.c. i think is not going to have nearly what you guys are going to have. but i sense him getting excited about this. >> sandra: get it ready.
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some of the headlines are predicting it could be the biggest snowstorm to ever hit boston, so we are going to have obviously coverage here, but tune into the fox weather app. weather alerts hitting you from the app, it's great, log on i find it incredibly useful, so get on there and follow this storm, it's going to be a lot for a lot of folks. >> shannon: i'll send my husband up your way to take care of the sidewalks. >> sandra: denver like so many other cities dealing with the uptick in crime. fox digital spoke with the locals on the ground there. they are saying they want stronger police presence in the city. but they say anti-police policies are turning the public against them. >> definitely could be more police enforcement downtown, like quite a lot of folks that are just like hanging out, doing pretty sketchy things.
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>> the reasons why the crimes are happening, i don't feel law enforcement has taken as much action to it as they should. >> we have had several police officers that have been shot at, ran over by cars, we have had, you know, through the legislative process i would say that you know lawmakers have taken a different approach or stance on law enforcement has empowered people acting outside the law to engage officers in a different manner. >> i don't particularly care for a lot of the policies that they have put forward in the legislature recently, i think it handicaps citizens. i'm concerned about the fact that i think we are not supporting our law enforcement enough. >> sandra: speaking out and speaking up. the vice president of the denver police department protection association is calling on the biden administration to help. asking lawmakers in washington, d.c., to support the police. seems like an easy request, but
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not so much these days, shannon. >> shannon: you would think if there is something bipartisan to get together on, it's protecting the men and women in uniform, giving them the tools they need and it could be tied to the conversations about police reform like we always say. the person who wants a bad cop out the most is the good cop and that is the vast majority of them. >> sandra: absolutely. >> shannon: officials in texas calling out the biden administration over the deadly drugs they say are crossing the border. they say their policies are killing americans. >> sandra: and president biden taking up infrastructure in a city where a bridge just collapsed ahead of his bridge there. david has a few things to say about it all. he will join us live next, hi, david.
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infrastructure of all things. touring the damage he pledged to fix all the city's bridges. we expect to hear more from him on the region's economy and jobs, expected to speak in this hour. a live shot in pittsburgh on the left side of the screen and the damage from the bridge collapse on the right side. david is joining us now, the bridge collapse, thankfully we can report the injuries suffered from the collapse so far are only minor, although they are still researching the rubble underneath the bridge to make sure no one, terrified to think of this, about you hopefully nobody is trapped under there. >> david: what a coincidence. >> sandra: what a coincidence. we had the brain room dig through some numbers. the president will be there speaking on infrastructure and the supply chain issues, some contacts about the bipartisan infrastructure bill priced at 1.2 trillion, right, david, only 110 billion of that was allocated to roads, bridges and
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major projects. that money is spread out over ten years, roughly $11 billion a year. the federal government, david, has spent an average of 100 billion a year on roads and bridges since 2005, meaning the net effect of the bipartisan bill to increase spending on roads and bridges but only 10%. >> david: well, there's a lot of other stuff. it could have actually been worse. it was less than that until the republicans argued with it, went to committees and came out with a compromise, original about 6% of roads and bridges. about 10%, a lot of it goes to public transit, that's in a separate category, 39 billion. amtrak, of course, one of president biden's favorite institutions, gets 66 billion. but this is what we really need to fix. stuff that could endanger people's lives, and stuff that people need in order to get to work every day and everything. so i am concerned that it is being spread like too little butter on too much bread, and we
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really are not spending it, but let's not discount. $1.2 trillion, we are so used to the trillion dollar figures, that's the g.d.p. of spain. it's a huge amount of money and takes a very sophisticated administration that really has their act together to spend this money correctly. otherwise you have boondoggles, we all remember the local boondoggles like the big dig in boston, remember that, it was ten years overdue, cost ten times more than what they said it was going to be. tucker carlson last night mentioned the high speed rail between las vegas and san francisco, another boondoggle. imagine how many boondoggles you could get out of 1.2 trillion and it's not like this administration is inspiring confidence based on their managerial acuity. >> i want to get the other headline in and involves a chart as well. really something when we saw it, perhaps you can put it in
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context for us. so, axios is pointing out the government benefits, percent of government benefits that accounted for all, all personal income in this country, 22% of american's personal income last year, while we were still in the pandemic, came from government benefits. many reasons to point that out, david, but one of which is economists looking at that figure and saying can we keep up the economic growth that we have been enjoying and the rebound we have been enjoying if the government benefits are starting to go away? >> david: and the question is whether this administration in particular wants those benefits to go away. clearly the democrats have a much bigger spending agenda than republicans do, and if it's -- it was all meant to be temporary and it was a safety net, even ronald reagan believed in safety nets, but we are close to the end of this pandemic.
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that's what most experts tell us. and will these extra spending, and this is the 46% increase to what we used to have in terms of how much money people got from the federal government every year, we can't afford to continue that item. we are spending about $560 billion a year servicing our debt. if these become permanent and if interest rates go up, we'll be spending so much more money just servicing the debt we really could go broke potentially. this is a big problem. >> sandra: hopefully a short-term problem, in the word of federal reserve chairman jerome powell, less stimulus could meanless inflation. >> david: a lot of time and backbone, too. i'm not sure either jerome powell or the administration have the backbone that's necessary. good to see you. >> shannon: secretary mayorkas on the ground at the southern border after texas officials
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blasted the feds. governor greg abbott says president biden's immigration policies are making america's fentanyl crisis worse and that state and local officials are stepping up to do the federal government's job to keep illegal drugs out of the country. hey, bill. live at the border in texas. >> good afternoon to you. d.h.s. secretary mayorkas was in laredo, texas earlier today, schedule was not public but the camera crew was able to find him, take a look at the video of him meeting with border patrol agents earlier today. he offered no media availability for fox news, believe me, we got plenty of questions for him. he only took a few questions from one local media outlet, a quick quiz on the river with border patrol. but he met with yuma, arizona border patrol agents earlier this week, that meeting did not go well for him. one agent turned his back on him, according to leaked audio. take a listen.
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>> i know the policies of this administration are not particularly popular with the u.s. customs and border protection but that's a reality and see what we can do in that framework. >> let me just say you can turn you back on me but i'll never turn my back on you. >> you did the day you were appointed. >> and meanwhile, all week long fox news has been showing images, sometimes live images of the mass release of single adult male illegal immigrants from federal custody and michael mccall says he has never seen the border so bad. >> i've never seen it more wide open, more chaotic, and that's why border patrol is just fed up with this. and you know, the administration, they lie after lie, they want to turn their blind eye to this situation and it's not sustainable. >> and then take a look at this
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video here. this is brand-new given to us by texas d.p.s. showing a trooper getting into a pursuit on monday in dimit county of a human smuggler driving a truck with a dump trailer attached to it. inside the trailers were 59 illegal immigrants, the smuggler was hiding inside. they pull off the road, the driver goes through a gate and drives into a brushy area and bales out. and you'll see the 59 illegal immigrants spilling out of the top of the trailers in an effort to escape. some of them falling off the sides, jumping off the sides. driver got away but the illegal immigrants were recovered back out here live. we have just learned from new d.h.s. data, during the month of december with all the apprehensions of single adults from border patrol, only 59% of them were expelled from the country via title 42. back to you. >> shannon: a big thanks to you and the team down there for fox covering what many others will not.
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>> shannon: our next guest taking frustration, somebody shot and killed his daughter, reporter alison, on live tv. he is now running on a platform to rein in big tech. he has not been able to get platforms like youtube from taking down the video of the horrific murder. so, joining us now, andy parker, democratic congressional candidate in virginia. >> thanks for having me on the show. >> shannon: andy, what happened with alison was unspeakable and people all over the world were horrified, our hearts broke with you. we cannot know what this was like for you, can only imagine. i had no idea you were still fighting to get the video of this thing off the internet. what has that fight been like?
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>> shannon, it's not been fun, and i've been doing it now engaged in this fight for six years. two years ago we filed, my legal team, georgetown university rights civil law clinic and i filed an f.t.c. complaint against google and youtube for violating terms of service. that was ignored, and so two years later this past fall we filed one against facebook for doing the same thing. the week prior, the facebook whistleblower essentially validated what i had been saying six years, and that is these tech companies profit from my daughter's murder. they profit from violence, they profit from graphic content, and so when we didn't hear anything, another response or any other response from the f.t.c., i thought you know, i have done
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everything i can to advance this as a private citizen, and the only next step that i can do is to run for congress and fight it through congress. because that's where it's going to change. it's going to have to change with congressional action, and so that's the large piece of why i was prompted to do this. >> i just -- it is incredible to imagine that a family grieving in this way would also then have to have this fight and i can't imagine the anger you felt on top of your grief and co-mingled with that. so, this is one of those things, there's been some bipartisan talk in congress about reforming section 230 that offers these protections. it does not seem like there's a plan, a solid plan forward yet but brookings institution said repeal of section 230 would take a blunder bust for a problem that calls for a laser knife, not just facebook, twitter and youtube that benefit from 230, there are other companies, smaller companies and outfits. if you make it to congress,
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what's the plan? want section 230 gone all together, a better chance of bipartisan support for the laser scalpel approach? >> i think you can take a laser scalpel approach, families that have been affected, and not just me, i'm probably the most visible, but there are thousands of people that have had this issue and had problems and abuse and you know, families don't want to see their kids exposed to graphic violence, murder, pornography, illegal drugs, misinformation, and for all the wonderful things that google and facebook have created, there is this under belly that we are seeing and i think the easiest solution and it may not be the most popular is you eliminate their protection from any liability, and if people have legitimate lawsuits, let them
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have their day in court. i can't do it because they have unlimited protection. but i think if, you know, listen. if they had to have the same oversight that fox news does and the "washington post" or legitimate news outlet, if they had to go abide by those editorial standards, you would not see this stuff. >> shannon: liability makes a huge difference. andy parker, thank you for sharing your story with us, good to see you today. >> it's so good to see you. thank you so much. >> sandra: all right, we are looking -- we are -- first up, i should say, we are expecting the president in a few moments but critics are accusing california and l.a. officials to hide the city's homeless crisis, after they cleared a homeless camp near the where the super bowl will be played next month. kelly. >> good to see you, sandra. a lot of frustration on the
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ground here, you have businesses, residents, even the homeless questioning the timing when you are about to have tourists and celebrities descend on los angeles. earlier this week crews and hazmats cleared out the en campment and they say it's a strategy politicians use to sweep away their failure. california says it was safety, it was identified as a fire risk in november due to the fire pit and electrical equipment. november is two months ago, sandra. the fact the clean-up is coming so close to the super bowl, why the sudden urgency? >> i think it is the super bowl, it can't be a coincidence. two weeks away, i don't think it's because of the fires, i think it's the super bowl. they should not just do it for one day, one game, the business people are going to come in. try to find permanent solutions. >> so there you go, l.a. residents are frustrated that
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even though there's all this attention, it will mean nothing and the camps will just come back after the big game. >> ok, thank you very much. kelly o'grady, inglewood, california, for us. we are awaiting the president touring some facilities there, he's going to make remarks on supply chains, manufacturing, union jobs, infrastructure. we are going to listen for the president. we are going to leave it there. thanks for joining us.
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>> good afternoon. i'm trace gallagher in for martha maccallum. this is "the story." pete hegseth, joe concha are standing by as police officers line the streets of new york city to mourn slain officer jason rivera, killed in the line of duty a week ago. >> we love you, please always protect us. big brother is very proud of you.

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