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with my test tick brain cancer, the stream of cars filled with well-wishers made sure that he knew they were pulling and praying for him. and so are we. thank you for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for this "special report," fair, balanced, and unafraid. here's martha. a >> martha: good evening, everyone. i am martha maccallum. tonight to this is the story. there is now a growing push in america to declare racism not just a societal ill, but a public health crisis impacting the lives of african-americans in tangible ways across the country. more than 1200 health professionals declare this by encouraging protests across the united states in the midst of the covid-19 virus. they say that the protests were vital to the health of black people in the united states and the covid-19 is yet another lethal manifestation of white supremacy. according to those 1200 medical professionals. so over the past few months at
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least 14 cities and counties in the united states have declared that racism is a public health crisis. and several others employed to do the same. if the states of michigan and ohio have now introduced legislation as well. is this accurate, and where would this lead policy in these places. we are joined by will geronimo of the county of maryland that declared that racism is a public health crisis. and we will speak with the author and hoover institution senior fellow dr. shelby steele that says that some of the efforts are hurting minorities instead of helping them. also tonight, senator tim scott on the president's executive order on police reform in the senate bill, where is that going to go? he has now been told that there is not a lot of buy in on the senate republican side. we will find out what is going on there plus the crowd hypocrisy that "the new york post" is calling sick. we will talk about that too. we begin tonight as promised
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with will joe mondo. thank you very much for being here. tell me why your counsel has declared this a health issue, racism, rather than just a societal issue? >> thank you, martha. it is great to be back with you. >> martha: good to have you. >> we just passed a resolution today, a couple of things are very important here. when you look at the history of the united states, for most of that history 401 years since black people enslaved africans had arrived here and we have been discriminated against or enslaved for 80% of that time if you go back to the rights of '65, the last piece of legislation, if you look at health outcomes, one in four of my residency that i have the honor of representing that have died, one in four of the covid deaths are black people, when you look at maternal health, black women of three, they are
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four times more likely to die in childbirth even if they are highly educated and have a higher level of income and access to care. when you look at who gets hit on the roadways, pedestrian deaths, cars and buses, because of redlining in certain communities under invested and walkways are not available, so black and brown residents get hit by cars, trucks, and buses at a higher percentage. and when you look at the range you can look at education and health disparities as we talked about. at the root of the uses racism and institutional racism. it's not an individual thing. it's a systemic thing. so we have to draw that connection if we are going to disentangle it from our systems. and that requires policy change and budgetary changes. that is why it is important to call it and name it a public health crisis. >> martha: what do you think that african-american communities can do to get better outcomes and some of these situations? >> well, you know, that is part of the problem is that i think
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all too often we have said, oh, well, you know, life expectancy for black americans is dramatically lower than white americans, that's because they are eating poorly or they are lolow income, or communities, te cause of this is systemic racism, if you have two people that have the same credit score and same underlying income and they going to get a home loan, studies have shown that the black candidates are denied with the same information that the white candidates have. if you look at serena williams, had to beg a doctor with all of her privilege and power to believe that she was sick enough to get a test that saved her life. studies have also shown that doctors have that implicit bias and think that black people can handle pain and are less likely to be sick. so it's not a problem that black people can solve on their own. we need the whole society. and it makes us poor as a society when we don't address it. because you are losing productivity. you are losing life. you are losing peoples opportunity to succeed. so while it impacts black and
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brown people disproportionately, it is an american problem, one that we have had since the beginning of time since we created slavery and dehumanize black people and use them to prop up our economic system. we have to tell that truth, otherwise you can't solve it. we need a systemic solution to a systemic problem. >> martha: thank you very much for joining us with your perspective on that tonight. we all want the same good better outcomes in this country. it is a question of how to get there, and we thank you very much for your input and perspective tonight. good to see you, sir. >> thank you, martha. good to see you. >> martha: with another perspective here tonight is dr. shelby steele, senior fellow at stanford university hoover institution, the author of "shame, how america's past sins have polarized our country" and finishing a documentary called "what killed michael brown." welcome back to the program this evening, your thoughts on what we just heard. >> well, i certainly agree that
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racism continues to be a problem in american life. i think most people would acknowledge that. it has been here for a long time. and there will always be remnants of it, no matter what happens. i think our emphasis on racism as the source of our problems has distracted us from looking at our problems as they really are. but aside from racism. and it seems that racism has become in the thinking of many, racism has become a way to avoid the real problems. >> martha: which are? >> lower education levels, the lower level of education, even as you are talking about here, the health problems and so for forth. is there some racist movement in
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american society to give blacks more bad health problems than other people? i don't think so. i think that if there is a disparity between white and black, that it does not mean that we need to change the whole society in order to fix it. it may be that solution is within our own communities. our own culture, our own way of looking at the responsibilities of living in a free society. there are many and they are difficult. and sometimes they can feel like oppression itself, but it is a challenge of freedom. you know, i am -- in my heart of hearts, i am a malcolm x person. i love what he had to say. his focus on self-help, it seems to me that that is the variable
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that we have lost sight of by blaming racism for so many things. because we blame them, and we get -- america has been generous, war on poverty, great society, affirmative action, school busing, public housing, higher welfare payments, on and on. and yet, we are worse off then we were when we had none of those things. with america in that sense, white america, out of many ways goodwill has taken our problems from us. and we will fix them. president johnson. we will bring you up to the starting line, and we will make what human nature does not work like that. we have to find the heart and the drive within ourselves, within our own community to lift
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ourselves up. to become whatever it is we want to become and stop -- just because we see a disparity, stop always blaming it on racism. and even if we do, even if it is racism, that does not excuse us. that is no -- i grew up in segregation. my parents -- my whole community, black segregated community, the fact that there was racism everywhere was not an excuse. it was an impetus if anything else. and that's what we have gotten away from, and when i see people coming around, oh, the city council, it just is -- it's heartbreaking, because it is worthless. not going to have any impact on those disparities that we are talking about here. it's not going to have any impact on any of those things. the individual and
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responsibility, that is the impact. that's where you literally change things within the framework of a single life. >> martha: why don't we hear more of that argument? it's as if your arguments, anyone who agrees with you is in the wrong place, the wrong line of thinking right now, and he will get in big trouble for talking about the kind of things that you are talking about in the current conversation. >> writes, it has to do with our history. there is a great of shame in what america did to black people. and whites acknowledge that. and it's back in the '60s, but since that time, whites have been very vulnerable to being accused of racism. and they have -- it is compromised their moral authority. weakened their power in american life. and so, there is in the white
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part of american society, sort of a need to recover moral authority. so often white institutions will take our problems on, not because they want to fix those problems, but because it restores moral authority and power. i call that white guilt power. but it is the same. we then as blacks, we then become dependent on giving our problems to white america. and protesting, and demanding this and demanding that. well, protests has exhausted itself. it is -- it is a parody at this point. it does not come anywhere near close to solving the real problems we have. the breakdown of the family. the low, low education levels of achievement that occur because of the public school system, and
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because blacks have not insisted enough on real meaningful education. we have just sort of assumed that other people will fix that for us. part of living in freedom is taking on responsibility for your fate. we have given our fate over to others. we keep begging others, larger society, fix it for us. there is racism here. there is racism they are. it is a fruitless ticket to nowhere. it has not worked, and it is not going to work. we have to take -- we can be innovated, and inspired by the challenges of freedom and responsibility. >> martha: dr. shelby steele, senior fellow at the hoover institution, the author of
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"shame" thank you very much, sir. you and i have spoken a podcast that will be put up shortly as well. dr. steele, thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. >> martha: coming up we will talk to senator tim scott who was with the president today, they had an emotional meeting with families who have lost loved ones in deadly interactions with the police. he is leading the way in washington on what they can do on reform and he joins me next. stay with us. >> congress has started already, and they will be having bills come out of the senate and possibly out of the house. and hopefully they will all get together, and they will come up with a solution that goes even beyond what we are signing today. ♪ effortless is the lincoln way. so as you head back out on the road, we'll be doing what we do best. providing some calm in your day.
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>> to all of the hurting families, i want you to know that all americans mourned by your side. i can ever imagine your pain or the depths of your anguish, but i can promise to fight for justice for all of our people. and i gave a commitment to all of those families today with senator tim scott and attorney general bill barr. >> president trump at the white house signing an executive order on police reform, but the work in washington is just beginning as the attention of congress to take action, here's chuck schumer not exactly sounding like they are burying the hatchet together on this. watch this. >> when it comes to urgent national priorities, the republican majority is like a broken magic 8-ball that keeps saying "ask again later." the popular issues of police
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brutality and social justice has reached the tipping point. there is no reason to wait. there is no reason to delay. >> martha: here was senator tim scott out of south carolina. always good to have you here. thank you for being here. i want to ask you about this legislation, but i just want to get your reaction to the two very different viewpoints that we heard as we were waiting to come on tonight from my two guests. what did you think about that? >> really fascinating conversation part i think that shelby steele hit on two very important points. racism is an issue, but racism is not the issue. if racism is the issue, then you're not a solution in your life. i can tell you as a kid growing up in poverty, mired with hopelessness that i lost my way. i almost flunked out of high school. i decided that the world was my problem, and that i had no ability to change my future. i was dead wrong. a strong powerful mother and a
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mentor taught me that anyone from anywhere at any time in this country can sort to heights never imagined by that individual. i embrace that concept in my life took a 180-degree turn in the right direction. so shelby said it really well. from an education perspective, if you are looking to bring our country closer together and close a racial divide, we have to have more parents saying enough is enough. at the poor zip code should not be a correlation for the poorest educational outcomes. we have to have parents and citizens saying no more from an economic stability and economic mobility message. opportunity zones will bring $75 billion into the most distressed communities in the country. that means we can create entrepreneurs in the places where there are no jobs. i became an entrepreneur and it changed my financial life and my mother's as well.
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and racism is in issue, it is not the issue. and irresponsibility has to be embrace for the human flourishing to hit maximum potential. the response continues around this country whether it is ben carson, jason halliburton, and so many examples of people who have decided that enough is enough. i must be responsible and as a responsible american, i am going to do the hard work even if it is a little bit harder and i will get amazing results. and i will say this country stand strong. it is the most powerful optimistic nation on earth. >> martha: that is a good message and we have to get back there. i know that you are absolutely trying to lead the way on this. legislation that would go a long way in police reform, you heard from senator chuck schumer, looks like democrats are not lined up with you on this. so what kind of change can we
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expect to come out of the senate in this bill? >> we have an amazing opportunity to say to the american people, we hear you, the police unions are perhaps a part of the problem on the left. they say that there are poison pills that they are not willing to discuss and other things that they want in the life of legislation, 175% of the legislation, the senate legislation and house legislation all line up to be the same things. will the senate democrats not come to the table and negotiate when you have three out of the four items that you want. if they are more interested in having the issues than the solution, that tells me that potter -- potter's partisan politics will roll this out, anl will come to the table and negotiate for the type of results that this nation once. >> martha: what a great point.
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people are so torn and afraid of what is going on in the country right now and when they look at the transitions on capitol hill over these issues that seems like they should be solvable, this is nancy pelosi talking about it and then i want your response to her. >> for the leader of the senate to say, it is going nowhere, we don't even -- we don't want any of that is really disgraceful. we all know that we need to have guidelines. we need to have data facing. we need all of those things. but we also need to have some serious legislation to make sure that it happens nationally. >> martha: where the areas of agreement, can you get there and can you get there before that july 4th recess? >> what i just heard from speaker pelosi, god bless her, but part of the things that she said that i agree with is that the bill deals with data collection and more information so we know what is going on in
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agencies around the country. with good information that leads to the second charge which is training, training, and training we can provide training on de-escalation and talk about so the necessity to intervene. we have the resources pointing in the right direction when you have the right data. so we agree on both of those points. officer of misconduct. we are in the same place. we want to eliminate the bad apples. what they want to do is go so far that they introduce poison pills in their legislation, and that's why mitch mcconnell said it is a nonstarter for those poison pills. we could have talked about the certification of officers, except for the democrats think that that is a poison pill, because the police unions say that is a nonstarter. so they are not willing to have that conversation. so we did not put that in the bill. so what we have a 75% of what they say they want, we can start there. if she is not willing to come to the table, if chuck schumer is not willing to come to the table, i hope the american
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voters come to the table and say enough is enough. >> martha: look at the police officer in minneapolis now fired on the other one now fired in atlanta who had things on the record that should have shown up on a database like this, and the investigation will show, perhaps that they should have been doing their jobs. we will see where this goes. most americans can be on the same page as that and we will see what happens on capitol hill. a senator scott, always good to see you. thank you for being here tonight. the trump administration now taking president former national security advisor john bolton to court over his upcoming memoir, though breaking details on where this is going tonight coming up next. ♪ and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some-rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue.
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>> martha: the department of justice making a last-minute effort to try to delay the release of a book by the president's former national security adviser john bolton that the administration argues complaints dominic contains classified information. trace gallagher has all the details. >> fired in federal court, it is a civil lawsuit by president trump warns it could become a "criminal problem." watch. >> i will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified, so that would mean that if he wrote a book and if the book gets out, he has broken the law. i would think that he would have criminal problems. i hope so. speak of the justice department is asking the court to order the publisher to delayed the book to complete the national security review process. it says simply put defendant struck a bargain with the united states as the condition of his employment in one of the most sensitive and important national security positions in the united states government and now wants to renege on that organ by unilaterally deciding
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that the prepublication review process is complete and deciding for himself whether classified information shall be made public. it goes on to say that the book contains significant quantities of classified information, but john bolton's attorney says that the former national security adviser worked for months with classification specialists to avoid releasing classified informatiomaterial. the book is called the room where it happen, a white house memoir and was scheduled to be released in march but has been delayed twice and was supposed to be released last week by simon and schuster. in a news release previewing the book the publisher says john bolton wrote "i am hard-pressed to identify any significant trump decision during my tenure that was not driven by reelection calculations." it goes on to say that in the book bolton covers an array of topics from chaos in the white house to "assessments of major players, the president's inconsistent and scattershot decision-making process and his dealings with allies and enemies alike from china, russia,
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ukraine, north america, iran, the united kingdom, france, in germany." we should note that the justice department is going after all of the proceeds that he would earn from the publication. >> martha: trace, thank you very much. coming up, "the new york post" calling out the hypocrites who cheered "mass protest" but rail against other gatherings that they don't like so much. including the president's rally in the midst of this virus. marc thiessen and juan williams debate next. ♪ istine payne, i'm an associate here at amazon. step onto the blue line, sir. this device is giving us an accurate temperature check. you're good to go. i have to take care of my coworkers. that's how i am. i have a son, and he said, "one day i'm gonna be like you, i'm gonna help people." you're good to go, ma'am. i hope so. this is my passion. if i can take of everyone who is sick out there, i would do it in a heartbeat.
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♪ >> martha: vice president pence firing back at critics going to the president's upcoming rally in tulsa hitting an op-ed entitled "there isn't a coronavirus second wave." comes on the heels of "the new york post" editorial calling out the sick hypocrisy of those who cheer on mass protests but condemn other large gathering, gathering say that it
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is rose to the public who admirably adhered to the lockdown. why believe anything the governor or mayor or media tell you when they set one rule for certain people in one rule for others. here marc thiessen, cohost of the american enterprise new podcast "what the hell is going on" and fox news contributor and juan williams joins us cohost of "the five," great to have you both here. here are a couple of examples that they point out. nbc news coming out a little bit over an hour apart. the one that you see on the left says rally for black trans lives draws packed crowd to brooklyn museum plaza. and then just right next to it about an hour apart today have president trump plans rally to supporters for the first time since most of the country is shuttered by coronavirus, but health experts are questioning that decision val demings saying that she was excited about the healing and hope rally, but then
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she went after the president as irresponsible and selfish. if so how does that work exact exactly? >> i think that you are right if you are saying that the political leadership in the country and -- i would think a lot of people who were involved with the rally should have just hammered down the message of that to the coronavirus is out there and you can take an informed risk. i understand that it is organic and people are coming out, but with the trump rally, this is a planned rally. to help the health director saying that he would like this to be delayed. you have a governor of oklahoma saying that to let's move it outdoors. you have the trump campaign insisting that anyone who comes in to sign a consent form, there is a whole different ball of wax with the degree of planning involved in a political rally. >> martha: you have cases at the high upper level in florida and texas and arizona today,
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this thing has not gone away. it is still a big concern. >> the purpose of the lockdown was never to make sure that nobody got covid. the purpose was to make sure that the health care system was not overwhelmed. guess what, we have enough ventilators, we have enough testing in hospital beds, and all of those cases are not hospitalization, people who are deathly ill, cases of people who are positive. and i know a lot about covid, because my 92-year-old mother got it. she was put in the hospital in april, and at 92 she actually beat the virus and is in rehabilitation center and has not seen me or any of the family or human being that she knows within two months, so when i look at these people out there protesting, i say, i am sorry. you're right to protest is not more important than my mother's right to see her family. your right to protest is not more important than somebody -- a fellow american's right to
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open their business, to feed their family and to support their families. and you are right to protest racism and the police is not more important than a trump supporter's right to go and express solidarity with the president. there is a double standard here. no question. >> martha: it is interesting that governor cuomo was calling restaurants who have people standing around outside because he was upset that they were gathering, but he did not say anything about these protests, and he was ready to call them out about the protest together. >> i think because people took to the streets in outrage, and it is a line. >> martha: both situations you have people who are standing right near each other, so either you are concerned about the health risk and he want to warn people about it or you're not. the reason that they are standing there -- the virus does not know that they are standing there for a noble reason. the virus is the same whether they are standing outside having
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a beer or because they are marching for something they care deeply about. >> i would say to you, two things, one is when i went to one of these marches, everybody was wearing a mask. and when the pictures that i saw from the bar scene in new york where the governor was reacting to, nobody was wearing a mask. my larger point was that -- and i wish that the politicians -- and i wish that the leaders of the movement had been very clear about emphasizing that you have to understand the risk. i differ with mark. i think that in fact when people are concerned about our democracy and rule of law about the abuse of power against an individual's death, i can understand why people would say, you know what, i'm going to take a risk, because this is bad for america. >> but you don't get to decide whose political views are right paired i support the protesters and what happened to george floyd is terrible paired but i
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also support the protesters who everybody was mocking and said the lockdown is destroying my life. my business is going to close my family will go bankrupt. they have a valid point too come you don't get to decide who is valid and who isn't? >> martha: good points on both sides bred good to see both of you. a pulitzer prize winning journalist says that the city of detroit defunded police and now children are being shot they are. he joins me now with his story from the ground coming up next. ♪ usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at
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>> when you remove the police, you hurt those who have the least the most. nobody needs a strong trustworthy police force more than those who live in distressed areas. >> martha: tonight, what does happen when police departments are defunded or get less funding? in detroit, funding for police has dropped 20 percent in the last six years after their historic bankruptcy that happen in 2014. my next guest has spent a lot of time on the ground in detroit digging into what happened next. spending time there and studying the reality. he writes this "they are now 20%
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fewer officers patrolling the streets and in 2014. half have less than five years on the job. there are been 100 homicide so far this year, the 25% spike over last year. and there have been 27 271 fatal shootings increase of 30%, most disturbing during 80 days of the covid lockdown, 18 children were shot." charlie lived off joins me now, again, he is pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of "the countries collapsing and the ratings are great." thank you for being back. >> thank you for having me. >> martha: i will show you the pictures of the two children you are talking about, one who was shot and survived is riley bailey, 3-year-old girl who was shot on may 20th. and then we have messiah towns in who was killed in his own
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home in cross fire. he is four years old happen on may 21. just two examples of 18 that you talk about as collateral damage of this pullback. >> yes, there are 2 of 500 children in the last six years in the city, meaning the city, ten times more likely as a child to be shot than the average american child. when we are talking about defunding police, which we did in detroit, because remember, our famous bankruptcy that was balanced on the backs of the police officers and the firefighters, and the paramedics, and the secretaries, we cut their wages and inflation cut more into their wages. it is not worth having the job. we can't find people to do the job. and i am telling you absolutely black lives matter, but children's lives matter the most to all of us. and if we can't keep them safe,
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we are not a society. >> martha: you talked to one mom and one of the neighborhoods who said that she was hoping that the protesters would come to her neighborhood, why? >> because we have had 15, 16 solid days of marching, cool. absolutely it is time. but all the police from the neighborhoods are now downtown. special operations especially, the gun guys to keep order. now there are not the police and the neighborhoods. and as you quoted what i wrote, murder is up 25%. shootings are up 30%. this is an impossible situation, i know mothers, fathers, grandparents, they have not seen police in five months come down their street. you are telling me how that works? so if you are looking for a solution, i don't think that it is doing away with police. we have to challenge the
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political structure. you know, like the democrats, the republicans, stop stealing our money. get it into the schools. get it into good police that want to do the job, because here the most violent city in america starting salary, 40,000 a year. >> martha: wow. when you take a look at the dearth of police officers and not wanting to do the job, and as you say, most of them out there have been out there for less than five years and you can't really blame them, especially in this environment, because many of them are afraid that today will find themselves in one of these situations that they don't want to begin. but you know, one of the things that we hear so much about our young men that say ever since they were a kid there young mothers told them you have to be careful. when you go out there, you are not safe. you are a target of the us police officers, is that what you hear from the mothers that you talk to you? >> some. that's fair. but you are also a target of
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people you don't know. when you have nice sneakers on, nice clothes and you go to school, there is a kid looking at you. he wants that. life is not so easy, and we are at a moment now, where the world is listening, let's be specific about what we want to. what do you mean defunded police? that is impossible. you mean, let's take money that is not put into schools. money that is not put into recreation, money that is not put into public safety, that is a better idea, but just to say, get rid of police, well, welcome to hell, baby, because that does not work here. can police work better? absolutely. should they? absolutely. are there great cops? most of them. but cutting it by half does not work. and i'm not speaking for myself. i hope that i am speaking for the friends and community
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members of mine that told me to tell your audience that. that is not the answer. let me give you one more statistic. >> martha: okay. >> use of force is down 60 percent in this town since bankruptcy. but arrests are down 40%, and crime has done this. so you do the math at home. the cops don't want to touch people. they don't want to be on the news. and so, the children suffer. we can think better than this. we should. >> martha: i hope that everybody keeps the pictures of the sweet little kids riley and messiah in their minds when they approach this topic and think about who is the collateral damage when there is not enough protection. >> one more, it is a statistical round, but 82% of people that shoot two children are never arrested. there is a rule of thumb in police work, you use a gun once, you are probably going to use it
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twice. you see what i'm saying? and if you care about black children and black lives, this is not the solution. okay. >> martha: charlie, thank you. >> love you. >> martha: love you too, let me bring in michigan congresswoman, and cochair of the house democratic policy committee, you hear what he is saying they are, what your reaction? >> i love charlie, i have known emma long, long time, he has valid points on both sides. we have to be very careful here to have a lot of separate discussions. bankruptcy did force detroit to really reduce a lot of the services. and we need to think about that. but i have also been very clear that for me defunding the police is not saying that we don't need police. i don't like that phrase. i think it is misleading and used by other people for political purposes paired we have a problem in this country that in many instances, black
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people are not treated equally to white. but our police officers have become social workers. they are called upon, i have been asked multiple times during covid to do wellness checks. i have asked them for help on domestic abuse cases. of their lives are threatened. we need to find a way that we change practices that we are protecting blacks, but that we are also supporting our law enforcement who are good people and getting rid of the bad apples. >> martha: do you think that we can take advantage of this moment and get republicans and democrats together? i'd chose to talk to tim scott and said there are at least three basic tenants that we all agree on on both sides. can the american people expect people to put politics aside and pass some of these very sensible reforms before the fourth of july break? >> i would like to think that we could. i know that the house will. the fact of the matter is is that we all saw the murder of george floyd on video.
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i can't watch it anymore. and the officer that murdered him had had 18 previous complaints. that should be a record of that someplace. i think that we can find some agreements, but we cannot be weak in approaching this. and it is a very difficult situation to ninth, which unfortunately turned out that a woman ran an automobile into the crowd where there was some bitterness on behalf of a white person saying the police don't treat me well either. well, we need to -- there are a lot of good law enforcement, and the ones that have the problems need to be investigated, they need a history, and we have to stop tow colds and other things that are not appropriate. >> martha: there are a lot of agreements on a lot of those points but we have heard the president say as well. always good to have you with us. thank you very much. quick break. more of "the story" after this. stay with us. ♪ ock slices. for as little as $5,
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>> martha: that is "the story" of tuesday, june 16th 2020. we will see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is up next. have a good night, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." last night, we did something we don't do very often. we spent the entire first block of the show on the same topic. we told you about black lives matter, told you while black lives matter believes. we told you what the group plans to do with our country when they amassed unprecedented amounts of power. the segment went on for 20 minutes. but in the end a lot of people saw it. the show turned out to be the most-watchtower of prime time television in the country yesterday come out rated everything else, but we never talk about ratings and we're definitely not telling you this to brag about


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