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outnumbered. have a great week. a couple of things we're watching, that electoral vote, which we're expected to put donald trump officially on the road to the white house as the victor and the dow, will it hit underestimated it. >> that is it for us from washington. >> fox news sunday is right now. >> i'm chris wallace. with the electoral college set to meet tomorrow, democrats say they need to know more about russian hacking before the electors cast their votes. there is ample evidence that was known long before the election about the trump campaign in russia. >> and it is remarkable. that is breathtaking. he's auditioning to be a political pundit. >> today the war of words over russia and the election. we talk with the incoming white house chief of staff reince priebus, it is a fox news sunday exclusive. then, what are the chances trump electors will vote against him? we'll speak with democratic
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congressman don beyer who is calling for the electoral college to hold off. and to one of the electors democrat clay pell of rhode island who is demanding they get an intelligence briefing first. plus hillary clinton blames her defeat in part on russian president putin's grudge against her. >> and that is the direct line between what he said back then and what he did in this election. >> we'll ask our sunday panel, including long-time clinton adviser neera tanden about the allegations. and the power player of the week, betting on the potomac. going behind the scenes of the d.c. newest landmark, a las vegas style casino. >> i've never seen a site like this, honestly. >> all right now on "fox sunday news." >> and hello again from fox news in washington. we are 33 days from donald trump's inauguration. but the bitterness of the presidential campaign has
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returned. with the intelligence community stating that the russians interfered in the election to help mr. trump win. and some presidential electors say they want an intelligence briefing before they do their constitutional duties. joining us here in washington is the president-elect's white house chief of staff reince priebus. reince, welcome back to "fox sunday news." >> thanks for having me this morning. >> president-elect trump told me last weekend that the cia conclusion that russia interfered with the election to help him was ridiculous and it could have been some guy in a basement. now the cia director john brennan said he's met with the director of the national intelligence and the head of the fbi and, quote, there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature and intent of russian interference. question, does the president-elect accept the consensus of the intel community. >> i think a lot of the things chris are coming through third
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parties. we haven't heard from comey. >> this is director brennon. do you think he is lying about what jim comby thinks. >> i don't think he is. but it would sure be nice to hear from everybody. if there is this conclusive opinion from all of the intelligence agencies they should issue a report or stand in front of a camera and make the case. but that all being said, let's put that aside for a second. i think the real question is why the democrats and why these electors and why move and all of the organizations are going everything they can do delegitimize the result of the election. they started out in a recount with the states they didn't move the dial with anywhere. president-elect trump received more notes after that was done. then they went after the die bold fiasco which was totallyin true. >> [ inaudible ]. >> right. and now they are going forward tomorrow with the attempt to intimidate and harass electors. we have electors receiving 200,000 e-mails.
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nothing is going to change. >> i'm going to get to that on the electors. i'm asking you a simple question, does the president-elect accept the consensus, and that is what john brennan said it was, the consensus of the intel community about the russian interference and its intent. >> i think he would accept the conclusion if the intelligence professionals would get together, put out a report, show the american people that they are on the same page as opposed to third parties through "the washington post" -- >> but a third party. we haven't heard a statement. >> but we haven't heard from comey. so look, i think that these guys should be straight with the american people and come out and say it. i don't think they've been clear about it. i think it's been all over the map. >> so john brennan, his statement is not enough for you? >> not when you have multiple people saying different things coming through third parties and media reports. but that all being said, let's put it aside. let's assume it is true.
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there is no evidence that shows that the outcome of the election was changed because of a couple of dozen john podesta e-mails that were out there across -- i would propose -- >> i agree with that. and that is fair. but i'm asking you about the specific question of russian intelligence. here is what president obama said in his news conference on friday. take a look. >> unless the american people genuinely think that the professionals in the cia, the fbi are less trustworthy than the russians, then people should pay attention to what our intelligence agencies say. >> and that is really the question i'm focusing on. we'll get to the electors in a minute and what the democrats are trying to do. does president trump accept -- or trust the intelligence community -- this is the cia director saying this, not a third party, or does he trust the russian denials? >> look, i think that -- that
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they are almost there, except for the fact that they haven't been totally upfront and transparent in their opinion as to who, what, where and how this all happened. i think they'll get there. and when they do, we can hear from the president-elect and get his opinion. but the real -- the reality of all of this, and all of these players that are spinning these reports, are doing it for a political purpose. which is to delegitimize the outcome of the election. >> do you think john brennan, the cia director -- >> no, i think when these things were leaked last week in "the washington post" and in the new york times, they were leaked by people within the intelligence communities to these newspapers or through some third party source, it is not appropriate. and then people like us have to answer to these third parties that something all of the intelligence agencies have not made 100% clear as to what is happening. >> this -- you may say this falls into that area of a political agenda, but white
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house spokesperson josh earnest went further than president obama did this week, suggesting there might be some connection between president-elect trump's campaign and russian interference. here he is. >> mr. trump obviously knew that russia was engaged in malicious cyber activity that was helping him and hurting secretary clinton's campaign. >> two questions. one, do you flatly deny any contact or any coordination between mr. trump, his campaign, his associates, and the russians in interfering. >> even this question is insane. of course we didn't -- interface with the russians. this whole thing is a spin job and i think what the democrats ought to do is look in the mirror and face the reality that they lost the election and they lost the election because they're so and completely out of touch with the american people that their still shell shocked and they can't believe it. and what is their response? recounts, russians, leaked cia
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reports and now the press secretary, the president saying that the reason hillary clinton lost wasn't because she blew it in benghazi or with russia or blew it as secretary of state and ignored the entire midwest and people didn't like the product. that is why hillary clinton lost. >> you think josh earnest was speaking for the president there and this was kind of a good-cop, bad-cop deal and he was saying what the president really thinks what the president was acting above the fray. >> i would like to think he was going rogue at that moment and that it wouldn't be so coordinated among our current president and someone that we're working pretty well with, to tell you the truth, between him and denis mcdonough, there have been -- they are great to work with and things are going very smoothly. >> but you don't believe that. you don't believe that two days in a row the white house press secretary went rogue. >> that is what i would like to think. but it doesn't matter to us. we're moving forward with a cabinet that you've seen at lightning pace with great americans that are more than qualified for these positions
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and a president-elect that wants to move forward. >> i want to ask you specifically, because we've been touching on this, but as you know some of the democratic presidential electors are -- and they are supposed to vote tomorrow calling for a delay until they get the security briefing. what do you think that is about? >> it is about move it is about democrats that can't accept the outcome of the election. it is about delegitimizing the american system. it is not going to work. >> well let me ask you about it not working. because you are still head of the rnc, which is conducting a whip count, to try to make sure that the trump electors vote for donald trump. at this point, how many possible, what they call faithless, electors are that might jump ship? >> look, we expect everything to fall in line. we have one particular individual in texas without a faith of selector statute in texas. but other than that, we're very confident that everything is going to be smooth tomorrow and this harassment from groups like move and the democrat
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party should stop and it is what the american people demand. >> all right. i want to do a lightning round quick questions, quick questions because -- well you have been making a lot of news and i want to ask you about some of it quickly. first, the nomination of exxon-mobil rex tillerson, and some republican senators are concerned about his ties to russia president putin. here they are. >> when he gets the friendship award from a butcher, frankly it's an issue that i think needs to be examined. >> my question mr. tillerson, did you realize what russia is up to here and all over the world and are you willing to do something about it. >> if those two republicans vote against tillerson, his nomination hangs by a single vote. >> and we've been working with center mccain and -- senator mccain and marco rubio in florida and we feel confident and getting secretary baker,
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condoleezza rice and bob gates and so many others on board has been a real benefit. and you know, look, this is a tough world. and i think that being -- having relationships with people in different places is only a positive for rex tillerson. and the good lord didn't put oil in all freedom democracy loving countries and being an executive as ex mon yoe-- exxon-mobil, he go there. and that is a win for president-elect. >> and you are still confident that tillerson would get through. >> 100% confident. >> that is a good lightning round answer. so china seized an underwater u.s. navy drone this week. some is analysts say in response to president-elect trump's response to me last weekend in which he indicated, well he is going to reconsider the one china policy. now china said they will give back the drone. mr. trump tweeted out yesterday keep it. but is there some thought about
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damping down these provocative remarks by president trump because of the china response? >> i don't think it is all that provocative, to tell you the truth. >> [ inaudible ]. >> well, look, we're not suggesting that we're revisiting one china policy right now and he is not president right now and he is respectful to the current president but let me get to the point. the chinese ripped a drone out of the water. president-elect trump said, this is an unprecedented act, totally inappropriate. didn't quite use those words but that is essentially what he said in a tweet. i think 80% of americans think it is inappropriate to rip a drone out of the water. they keep the drone and give it back to the rightful owner, i don't know if you want that drone back. who knows what -- i think every single thing he has done is factual and in line with where 80% of american people are at. >> mr. trump has named david freedman the ambassador to israel. he opposed the two-tate solution, the idea -- the
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two-state solution, the idea that israel and palestine could live together which is the basis for u.s. diplomacy in the middle east for decades and does this appointment indicate mr. trump is rethinking the two-state solution. >> no, i don't think it does. they represent the views of president-elect trump and not their own views when they are appointed into the positions and the same thing with the cabinet secretaries and there are things that individually people may believe in their hearts or minds but ultimately this is their job to represent the president of the united states and his foreign policy. >> and finally you have lunch on friday with 11 one current and ten former white house chiefs of staff. going back to the carter administration. final question, what was the stingle best piece of advice you got? >> single best piece of advice for me is that if you can't -- if you can't tell me something in my office, then don't go into
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the oval office and tell the president. in other words, people are going to talk to the president and that is fine. but make sure that they give you a readout and you know what is going on. and the second piece of advice was never present an easy decision to the president. only give him the hard stuff. >> and how long did they say white house chiefs of staff last? >> you know, it is anywhere from six months to i guess four to five years. but the shelf life is not long. >> well, you're the person that the spears go into. >> that is right. >> chairman priebus, thank you. it is a pleasure to talk to you. >> god bless. merry christmas and high pressure -- and happy holidays. >> thank you. and tomorrow casting votes tomorrow, stealing victory for donald trump. and what is a procedural event is anything but this year. we'll talk with an electorate and others calling to delay the
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anti-trump protesters turning out on the national mall this weekend, just two days before the electoral college votes for president. as the 538 electors gather in state capitols tomorrow, some democrats are asking for more information about russian interference in the election before they cast their votes. joining me now here in washington, congressman don beyer of virginia who is calling for a delay in that vote. and clay pell, president of the rhode island electoral college and, gentlemen, welcome to "fox sunday news." mr. pell, 80 electors, some happen to be democrats, including you, have sent a letter to general clapper, the
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director of national intelligence asking the following: whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between donald trump, his campaign or associates and russian government interference in the election and require from donald trump conclusive evidence that he and his staff and advisers did not accept russian interference. mr. pell, do you have any evidence of any coordination between donald trump, or people around him, and the russians? >> no. all we have is what has been released in public that there has been an unprecedented intervention by hostile foreign power in our elector process. what i want is the information to be out there so the american public and the electors know who has been involved and make sure that we protect the integrity of the american democracy. >> but those questions that you ask, you don't have any reason to believe the answer is yes in terms of trump being involved? >> we know that there has been
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involved by the russians. we don't know the full extent of it. we're just asking for the information to be released. unfortunately it appears that information is not going to be released and that is why tomorrow when we vote i'll be putting forward a motion to call for a bipartisan independent commission to investigate russian interference. >> is that going to stop the vote tomorrow? >> oh, absolutely not. the vote will proceed and all of the tate capitols, including in rhode island and i expect donald trump will be formally elected as president tomorrow. >> but you are going to call for the electoral college, is it just you or are there people in all of the states where there are democratic electors. >> what happens in other tatest, but if rhode island i'll demand an independent commission. this should not be partisan, this is about protecting democracy. >> congressman beyer, you are asking congress to pass a law to delay the vote tomorrow in which under the laws that currently stands, electors are going to
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vote and you want to delay it until they get the kind of in tell briefing there pell is talking about. but general clapper issued a statement on friday that there will be no briefing of congress or the electors until, quote, the review is complete. the one that the president asked for. in the coming weeks. so in erm its of delaying -- in terms of delaying the vote tomorrow, do you give up? >> no i don't give up. but it is last minute right now. i came out with this last week with hope there was time to bring congress back because that date tomorrow is not set in the constitution. it is an act of congress to do that. and the whole point was to ask the president to declassify as much as possible without giving up sources and methods so the electors could make a good decision tomorrow. >> when reince was on talking about delegitimizing the constitution, that is the opposite. the whole college process was to mike sure we are ma-- make sure
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the decision of the wise men and women. >> but that was done back in the 1700s when the communication and what the -- the voters knew and what the electors knew was so hugely different. what you are effect calling for is overturning the will of 130 million people who followed this election, who heard the allegations of the russian hacking, who saw the fruits of it, and don't -- and know as much as you do. >> well exactly the opposite. donald trump is only the president-elect, only apointing cabinet members because there is a two-step process. because if it was just the will of the american people, hillary clinton would be the president. and it is the two step process that has mr. trump in the position he is in right now and let's honor that and give them the information they need to make a good decision. >> i'm going to pick up with what reince priebus said in the previous segment. isn't this a partisan effort by democrats to either overturn the election or if you can't over turn, it to call into question trump's legitimacy as the
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president. >> absolutely not. i believe in the constitution. and i believe that this is a -- a real process. and i also believe that donald trump will be selected as president and i support the peaceful transfer of power. but in the meantime, we have a meaningful role to make sure the american public has this information and to make it absolutely clear that no foreign government should be able to get away with this and i would suggest the president step away from twitter and stand with the men and women of the intelligence community and get on board with the bipartisan commission to make sure we have the fakes. >> -- but let's look at who is supporting your effort. john podesta, who was president of the clinton campaign, said it raises very grave issues involving our national security. and some hollywood celebrities sent this message to electors. >> by voting your conscious, you and other brave republican electors could give the house of
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representatives the option to select a qualified candidate for the presidency. >> what is evident is that donald trump lacks more than the qualifications to be president. >> he lacks the necessary stability. >> and clearly the respect of the constitution of our great nation. >> mr. pell, they are not talking about russian int interference and they are saying we voted against donald trump and here is a chance to stop donald trump. >> that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about preventing this country from foreign intervention. donald trump will be selected as president tomorrow. and i look forward to hopefully having him change his tone and tand up against the russians. >> how many trump electors are you aware of who will jump ship and defect and not support donald trump? >> i don't think that is in the cards. i think what is in the cards is that there are trump electors who don't want to be out there publicly but who do want this information. who do want to know who is involved and make sure to
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protect the integrity of the democracy, including for president-elect trump, that no foreign country could do this in the future. we should have the facts. >> but here is i guess the question i have. let's say it is all true, and you know you have a consensus from the cia, the department of national intelligence and the fbi that there was russian interference, so what? obviously it is bad and you want to stop it and have cyber security. but why hold donald trump accountable for that? >> donald trump was on sh show one week -- this show one week ago disputing that claim. saying the fbi disagreed with the cia and suggesting this was all -- he would not be holding the russians accountable. that is what we should not be doing. we need to be clear that the russians were involved and we should get the information out there. >> but does it in any way call into question donald trump's legitimacy as president? >> no. donald trump will be selected tomorrow and i will stand by the
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will of the people, speaking through the constitutional process that we have, and the reason i'm here today is to defend that process. and until we change the constitution, the electoral college has a meaningful role and i intend to uphold my oath to the constitution. >> congressman beyer, here is what i don't understand. if they were successful, perhaps not mr. pell but some of the others who want to see 37 electors defect, faithless electors and either vote for clinton or for somebody else, it would just be -- well not if they would for clinton, but let's say it was a tie and nobody got 270 and it was thrown into the house. each state delegation gets one vote. let's put up where the count stands. in the new congress 32 states have gop majority and 17 have democratic majority and one state that is split down the middle, wouldn't donald trump just win in the house. >> a republican movement in the house. there is no expectation that an
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elector that deserts donald trump will vote for clinton. and i disagree with my friend clay about the legitimacy of the trump election in the sense that if we have clear evidence that paul manafort and general flynn and the last press conference in july and he turned to the camera and said, hey, russians, go hack hillary's e-mails, there is enough to see the intelligence reports an let them make the decision. >> and you haven't seen any evidence. >> i haven't seen the intelligence reports. but certainly -- >> one last quick question. do you really think that hillary clinton lost the election because of russian interference? because right after the election, you were quoted as saying, we lost touch with white working class rural america, two-thirds of americans think we're on the wrong track. you didn't talk about russian interference and you said that the democratic party is out of
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touch? it. >> well i think there are many reasons why she lost the election and the russias are a piece of it. and i don't know how many votes it moved. so the commission as clay talked about and let's see the reports we hope to see. >> thank you for both coming in today. we'll see how the electoral college votes tomorrow. coming up, we'll bring in our group to discuss the hacks and the push to get gop electors to vote for someone other than donald trump.
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i think this is as big of a deal as watergate, as 9/11 and i think they should have a 9/11-type commission. >> senate democratic leader harry reid comparing russia's interference in the u.s. election to american calamities and calling for a full investigation. and it is time now for the sunday group. gop strategist karl rove. fox news political analyst and columnist for the hill juan williams. president of the liberal think
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tank, the center for american progress neera tanden and michael needham. and neara, this is personal for you in because in the leek of the podesta e-mails, some of yours came out. >> yeah. a lot of mine came out. and it was covered -- it was covered often. and i think the truth of this is we've learned a lot over the last week. we've learned that the cia found that this was not just to undo democracy or hurt america but was designed for the trump campaign. the cia has also indicated that putin was involved and then over the weekend we now have heard great consensus about this, which is the fbi agrees as well. and i think the real issue here is why there isn't more interest on the part of republicans to find out what has actually happened. i agree with reince priebus. we need to know about the what, when, who and why and where and that is why we do need an investigation. we had 33 house committees on
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benghazi, you think we could get one committee from the house to investigate this and i don't understand why paul ryan won't put the interest of american democracy ahead of partisanship and call for an independent investigation into this. >> what did you make of priebus' reluctance to accept from the cia and he would like to hear from the -- >> it is not the cia and just the fbi, i don't understand why they don't want to know. if there is questions ab no connection to this election, then let's get the facts out. if he is so confident that this didn't help them get eelected what do they have to hide. >> even if the russians were -- the cia conclusion is correct or the consensus of the intelligence community and the russian hacking was done to interfere in the election and also to help trump, is it to hold trump responsible for that?
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>> i hold him responsible for not wanting to give us the facts. to try to say there is nothing here. to throw -- to attack -- attack the intelligence analysts and the central intelligence agency instead of trying to find out. that is what i hold him responsible for. i don't understand why, as president of this country, you will be president, why he doesn't want to -- us to know what happened here. in this case, the fbi was investigating. this is the case that during this election the fbi was investigating palm manafort's rule and it is his connections to russia. i do not understand why, if they think everything is up and up, why they want to shift information, why they don't want to share this information. it does make people wonder what is going on. >> one more question before i bring everybody else in. do you -- what do you think of the effort by a number of democrats to urge republican electors to vote for someone else? >> look, i think the most important thing here is really just getting the information about russia. i know that there are a lot of electors who are interested in a
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lot of things going on here. i think the request to have a briefing about this is an appropriate request. >> karl? >> first of all, let's be clear. the cia said russia did not have, quote, a single purpose. that is to say, the idea that this was all about helping trump. they repeatedly targeted -- the cia said both parties tried to get into their systems. and let me finish. and they said this is about -- an important part of the russian hacking was aimed at undermining confidence in the american electoral system. now this is much -- i agree, there ought to be an investigation about it. i agree there ought to be -- that is why i was -- it wasstonnishing that the -- astonishing that the cia would not give a brief to the house intelligence committee as requesting. >> but -- >> let me finish. i didn't interrupt you. but let's be clear, i love this hyper ventilation that they are responsible for hillary clinton defeat. she was at 48% in the real clear
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politics average and on election day she got 48.08%. let's be clear what this is about. one, a coup. they are attempting to have 37 electors flip, which isn't going to happen or throw it into the house of representatives and somehow have 26 delegations, some of them dominated by republicans vote for somebody other than donald trump. is not going to happen. >> let me bring in neera, is it a coup. >> it is not a coup. and could we just get information. and the cia director reached out to nunez who would not take his call. >> the house intelligence director. >> he is on the trump transition team. he reached out to him last week and woe not take his call. >> and the cia director would not respond to his invitation to come brief the committee democrats and republicans. >> so i think we should get the information out. do you want the house to hold an independent investigation? an in dependent bipartisan investigation. >> i want congress to do so in the right time but i don't want
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to to be used as an excuse to -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i saw this happen in 2002 when democrats went around saying bush is not a legitimately elected president and some allies are saying the same stupid thing and don beyer who sat here and he was quoted in the washington post, we're about ready to be saddled with a quote, illegitimate president. after all of the pious discussions that we have to accept the election and the democrats are refusing to accept the outcome of the election and using this controversy which had at most dominimous -- >> and i want to -- >> we can both agree. i think the truth is here, we now both agree there should been an independent investigation and that is great. >> okay. >> congressional investigation. >> and during the third presidential debate i asked both candidates about the willingness to accept the results of the election. here it was. >> are you saying you are not prepared now to -- >> what i'm saying is that i
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will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> well, chris, let me respond to that because that is horrifying. >> one, as you remember, at that time, democrats were outraged at donald trump's response. but aren't they engaged, as karl suggested, in exactly that now, refusing to accept the results of the election and trying to undercut the legitimacy as donald trump as our next president. >> there is no question, democrats run the risk of looking like hypocrites given what happened to that expertly moderated debate in october. >> it was pretty good. >> but in fairness, at the time, what was on the table was the idea of voter fraud. and it was being pushed by republicans and trump, oh, there is so much voter fraud from the country, that the race could be tossed to hillary clinton illegitimately and he would win the popular vote and be denied -- all of this. that is what he was responded to. now we're dealing with something else, which is russian
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interference in the democratic process and tilting the election and the news coverage against hillary clinton and for donald trump. so when we come to the electoral college now, you have to remember, the founding fathers, i just finished a book about them, they did not design the electoral college to be a rubber stamp. to the contrary, they think the electors should have the capacity to exercise some discretion. do i think that something is go -- a coup is going to occur tomorrow, absolutely not. but it is not so say that it delegitimized donald trump for people asking questioned. >> the democrats are in fact being hypocrites. there is a 0.0% chance. and we should be focused on that donald trump is making spectacular appointments to the u.s. cabinets and i think this is the best cabinet that the country has had in my lifetime. that is the issue. he won an election because he
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connected with people would have real anxiety and if the democrats would be better serving themselves if they spent time talking about the economic anxiety that people in this country have -- >> but wait a minute. i don't want to do -- i want to get out of the boilerplate here, michael. you talk about constitutional principles here. and is the electors and the idea they might reexamib the whole idea about whether or not they support trump, is that exercising constitutional principles. >> sure but -- >> i'm not asking about the chances but i'm asking about the principle. >> it is valid for the electoral college to look at it. it is possible that an asteroid might come out of the sky and also change the outcome of who is going to be sworn in on january 20th. the fact is that on january 20th, donald trump is going to be sworn in as president of the united states because tomorrow the electoral college is going to elect him president of the united states. >> i think -- >> and issues that our country has -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> michael and i agree that the
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electoral college has the right to exercise some discretion to see whether or not this person is properly qualified. but i think what you are revealing michael is an anxiety that somehow because trump did not win the popular vote, lost about by 3 million, that people would delegitimize. that is what you and karl are saying. delegitimize. >> i'm focusing on the policy achievements that will happen. >> let me assure you, it is over. donald trump -- >> oh, please. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i'm saying i think everybody on this panel including the previous panel said donald trump is going to be put in position to be president of the united states tomorrow. but boy, on the right, such anxiety about his -- >> and it used to be that they give us lectures on the original intent of the constitution. it was that electors would deliberate. >> and they will live up to that and enter their judgment and after tomorrow, because you respect the constitution so much, i know you're going to welcome the new incoming administration as validated --
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>> and we have to take a break here, but when we come back -- there is other news. the civil war in syria takes a brutal new turn. we'll ask the sunday panel about president obama's charges that russia and iran have blood on their hands from the atrocities in aleppo. >> and what would you ask mr. obama about he couldn't stop the carnage in aleppo. go to fox news sunday and we may use your question on the airirir
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unless we were all in, and willing to take over syria, we were going to have problems. and that everything else was tempting because we wanted to do something and it sounded like the right thing to do. but it was going to be impossible to do this on the
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cheap. >> president obama in his news conference on friday defending his response to the syrian civil war coming his remarks after the fall of aleppo which was the center of rebel resistance. and back now with the panel. karl, the president said in the news conference, the only way that the u.s. could have successfully intervened was to make a major commitment of troops. of course we know what has ended up happening, which was the slaughter of 400,000 civilians. do you buy his argument? >> no. the president auj offers a strawman when he talks about the middle east. the choice of doing nothing or half a million boots on the ground. he could have destroyed the ear assets of assad after he dropped barrel bombs an used chemical weapons an denied him the ability to do that by air and he didn't. and he could have armed the moderate rebels when they were rebels and could have backed the initiatives of the saudis and
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jordanians and he didn't. and he could have left a residual force in iraq which could have kept isis from moving into iraq and destabilizing a bigger door for the region and making the situation in syria more complications. but 400,500 and 600 million -- >> not million, hundred thousand. >> a million or two million refugees destabilizing europe and foreign policy, these are the -- these are the credits on president obama's report card when it comes to syria. >> we ask you for questions for the panel and on this issue of whether or not president obama could have done more and his contention that he couldn't, we got this from christopher hess on facebook. he could not have done more. he didn't do anything. he could have created safe zones and gone directly after as yapd and gotten rid of him.
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how do you answer? >> there is a live debate. whether years ago we could have done more to defend or to help the moderate -- >> back in 2011 in fact was urging that they put more support for the syrian rebels. >> yes. and the question always has been that once you start down that road, it does become one in which what happens when they are slaughtered do we defend them and do you put troops on the ground. he is concerned about this slippery slope and we've seen that we have taken other actions, obviously our engagement in iraq, which is a contributing factors to the destabilization of the entire middle east and in fact a factor in what has happened in syria has been part of this problem. but i appreciate the situation in aleppo is a disaster. what happened in syria has -- there are no good answers at this point. and i hope this is one area where you would see a different course, perhaps. with the new president-elect. but we aren't seeing that. fact, we're seeing his positions on syria have been to exceed to
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the russians. he has argued that the russians are actually going after terrorists. i think that is a -- i think that is disconcerting that the president-elect would be making these kind of arguments that are pro-russian and frankly in the interest of iran in syria as well. >> speaking of the interest of iran, michael, how much do you think the president's policy or nonpolicy in syria was driven by his desire to do nothing to interfere with making a nuclear deal with iran? >> a ton. and we see the evidence of it. the "wall street journal" has an article out that talked about the fact that when the president was thinking about whether or not to enforce his red line over the use of chemical weapons, iran came in and said if you enforce this red line, the nuclear agreement which has become the kind of -- which he was obviously pursuing, that the nuclear agreement was dead. at the time of the nuclear negotiations, the wall street reported on a letter sent to the ayatollah saying i will not be going after assad and so clearly
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the president has kind of -- ambition to get the deal with iran and the view that maybe if we get iran on our side we could deny sunni radicalism and that world view which is a failure and has taken us from the position we were in in 2009, with it's because of the pursuit of the nuclear agreement. >> i will come back to you. whatever the reason for the obama policy, whatever the justificati justification, in addition to the humanitarian carnage that happened here, the fact that is that they seem secure into holding on to power. that's not a successful policy, is it? >> no. we have a problem here in terms
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of russian innuanfluence. think russian influence has grown in the region. the thing is we will work with you just this week that the evacuationings while we know the carnage was continuing and powers saying to the russians and iranians have you no shame -- >> but couldn't hathey have instituted? there were two or three years if they had taken out to air capability at the red line none of this would have happened. zbli don't think so. you might have accelerated and you would have then had the
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russians then come in. they had been backing assad all along. they would have acted to protec. if you take out assad's air you are putting us in there as a force and the force might be threatened considered the turkish and lots of other facto factors. one last point. the american people did not want to go in. given what happened they did not want more. >> well, first of all thank you for the strong man argument we need a half million people on the ground. we didn't need that. we needed decisive action. the point that chris brought up is absolutely right. if we would have alkted before the russians appeared -- if we destroyed the syrian air bases there would have been none to
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which they could project their power. by a consistent series. yes, if we acted earlier hillary clinton was right in 2009, 10 and 11, if we had backed up the words of the president it was not a republican. it was a democrat. >> 30 seconds and we are out of time. >> tland are a loft hypotheticals. what's happening now is a disaster what i think is great for people who are so open to criticism of barack obama. he said they going avenue isis. i wish michael, you wour as critical of president trump's policies which are helping russia. president obama is never --
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>> he will be held accountable. >> we'll continue this. we will continue this during the commercial. thank you. . up next our power player of the week, a slice of las vegas want longer lasting heartburn relief? try...duo fusion duo fusion goes to work in seconds and lasts up to 12 hours. tums only lasts up to 3. for longer lasting one chewable tablet try duo fusion from the makers of zantac
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the week. >> excited, a little nervous. >> he is talking about the newest washington landmark, the m gm national harbor casino located on a bluff just outside d.c. it looks like something from star wars. >> standing here looking at the washington monument up and down here i have never seen a sight like this, honestly. >> when it opened there was a nighttime traffic jam. >> how many people do you expect to come here? >> a day? i think there will be 20,000, 30,000 people a day. >> it is larger in the white house in terms of its square footage. it is energetic. >> how much money can you make in a casino a day? >> we don't make 200 million dlarsz a year. >> only half of that is projected from gambling. there are 15 restaurants and
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high profile stores like sarah jessica parker's first boutique. >> it is not just being in new york or chicago. it's a very unique organism, right? >> there will be entertainment like sher and bruno mars in a 3,000 seat theater. >> it promised a lot of people a billion dollars resort. i didn't spend a billion dollars, a spent 1 billion 4,000,000. >> we'll have a different display and another one in the spring. we'll feature cherry blossoms. >> they decided to put las vegas because washington already attracts millions of visitor wlos have money to spend and are looking for more things to do. >> a few months ago you said this resort will blow donald trump's downtown hotel away.
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do you standby that? >> yes. i love beautiful hotels but we didn't build a hotel. we built an entertainment hub. >> you know he's not going to like that. >> you know what? i respect him but from an entertainment component, i mean, come ochblt. >> there's another element to the project. it will generate thousands of jobs. >> 80% are people of color. >> i represent a gaming industry of almost 2 million americans. it's the pathway to the middle class, this industry. >> one more point about the casino on the hill. he says this may be the only thing anyone can agree on. >> republicans, they can't wait to come. democrats, can't wait to come. >> there's not as much to do as people would like. that's where we come in. >> another highlight of the
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complex is the art work including a piece from singer song writer bob dylan. have a great week. we'll see you next time. talk to two of trump's campaign managers, kellyanne conway and corey lewandowski. so now the coming/incoming commander in chief is going to work. >> and the party is now trapped. we've got this president-elect who is deeply compromised by russia. >> democrats and abusively biased,


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