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right now they're going to want to know all the information they can gather. what does he look like? has he made any statements on board the plane? did anybody actually see a suicide belt? does it look real? does it not look real? is he standing up? ise sitting down? is he at the front of the plane, the back of the plane? they want to know all this information to give them the tactical advantage. the other side of the coin is that right now it's difficult for the people left on board, and probably the passengers that are getting onto that bus at
larnaca will be able to say who else was on board, maybe somebody knows the rest of these passengers. maybe they know foreign affiliation. because the indication is that the foreign passengers are still left on that plane. one of the things that has to be kept in mind, that plane is no longer under the jurisdiction of what egyptians would do in their country had it still been on the ground there. they have to go with the protocol of cyprus, of larnaca. so i don't know what their protocol might be, more aggressive, less aggressive, but that will unfold. it's a positive sign that people are getting off, and the plane is on the ground. it doesn't point to mass carnage as some of these other situations might involve. >> and of course it has to be encouraging to see so many passengers able to get off that plane. >> caller: it is, and you don't
see them running and panicking or anything else. they seem to be fairly well-controlled coming down the stairs, walking over to that transport, to bring them to a terminal. it seems kind of well-ordered. so one would assume that maybe there weren't a whole lot of threats toward them on board that plane to increase that, hike that emotional feeling. >> i want to ask you about the security measures, and i don't want to cast any aspersions on the egyptian officials. but one would arguably question and rightfully question, how could this happen? particularly in an area where they had just suffered a catastrophic loss of a tourist plane, a plane carrying temperaturists from sharm el sheikh back to russia, it never made it because of a terrorist bombing that took place back in october. and all the security people working in egypt were on high alert after that, and so one would argue how could someone in
this day and age with the kind of security that should be in place at airports, how could this happen? >> caller: it's a difficult set of circumstances, and somebody's going to have to come up with some of those answers, kelly. the bottom line is, you know, we don't really know what this individual had. if he, if he had a weapon that was undetected. if he had some sort of a vest that went undetected as he went through security. that's a very ungood piece of information. but if what he's wearing is some sort of a belt that's inert, that couldn't be picked up through -- that's a whole another set of circumstances, and i guess we'll have to wait until this unfolds to see what actually went on. keep in mind, as we evaluate our own security at airports, a large percentage of what should have been caught doesn't get
caught going through the detectors here. so it's tough to point the finger just yet. we'll have to wait and see how it unfolds. >> that's why i said i didn't want to cast any aspersions. because obviously there are reports here in america where people have been able to penetrate our airports by testing it and testing how tsa and other security teams react and people actually going right into the tarmac area. so given that, it just shows how difficult it is to defend these areas that are soft targets to terrorists and obviously, in this particular situation, what could have been a opportunistic situation if the man is seeking some sort of asylum, again, we're still waiting for reports to come in. and for those of you just tuning in. the details of why this person hijacked this plane, this
egyptian air 181, it was diverted from egypt to cyprus, and with me is bill gavin, former director of the fbi. he's describing what crisis teams are likely doing. it's a very fluid situation. we're still waiting for all of the facts to get in. so we're being very careful and judicialous. but we do know from the pilot who did give the report that a man appears to be wearing some sort of explosive device, some sort of belt or, or vest, and because of that, there has been a lot of speculation or a lot of concern, if you will, with the crisis team in place there of the and the passengers, many passengers have been allowed to disembark that plane, and bill, as we've talked about, that is the good this situation, except for those members, those crew members and those four foreigners who are still on that
plane. so he's holding a hostage situation right now. >> caller: and that's to be expected, based on what he's on that plane for. he has to have somebody to negotiate with. of course, the thing that we really, everybody wants to see is him walk off the plane in handcuffs and be done with it. hopefully, that's the way this whole episode ends today. but it's looking positive from what is going on right now in larnaca. >> and it's looking less and less like an act of terror and more perhaps as an act of possible desperation of someone trying to do something, what motive, we don't know. >> caller: that's correct. >> and that, in and of itself is a good thing, because as we started talking about this oh, about an hour, hour and a half ago, we were trying to be very careful to say that this, we were only speculating. we didn't want to speculate without any confirmation, so we didn't say it was an act of
terrorism. we just say in that region where things have gone awry in terms of terrorist activity, it could have been, but we've held back waiting for the facts to come through before calling it something that it is not. >> caller: i think that's the right way to approach it. there's all kinds of possibilities here, and just talking about what those possibilities are without defining them is the right way to go at this particular time. >> i'm just getting information right now from our producer about cyprus state radio is reporting that the hijacker on board this egyptian airplane has written his wife a letter, his letter is addressed to his wife, who, his ex-wife, rather, his ex-wife is from cyprus. that is another reason, perhaps, that motivated him to have the flight diverted to cyprus. he has expressed that this letter be sent to his ex-wife.
any concern that you might have with that development? >> caller: yes, there s you know, now it makes sense the plane going to larnaca. the problem that i have here is, and of course a psychologist and psychiatrist is going to be better at gearing you to the right answer, but it does raise a little bit of concern the reason for writing a letter to the ex-wife just before he does something untoward, or is it just to get it out before he gets arrested? those things pop into my mind as a potential that gives you a little bit of concern. it raises the blood pressure just a bit. >> yeah. it would raise the blood pressure. because it goes to the core of what this man is thinking, what his motivation is. and there are a lot of different scenarios, which i don't want to spell out, because i'm not the expert in this. and i'm sure you're hesitant in
explaining or trying to give those scenarios, but what can we, what can that crisis team do to deal with him on that level? where there might be some emotional disturbance going on within this individual to make sure that we go back to the picture of him exiting that plane in handcuffs and the crew members and those four foreigners exiting that plane as freely as we've seen these passengers do? >> caller: with the kind of intel that we now have, kelly, i'm sure that the tact cical people on the ground in cyprus are kind of ramping it up a little bit to do what they may have to do. then again, they may still be talking to the crew through radio on board that plane, and the crew might be telling them, hey, he seems to be pretty calm, he just wanted to write this letter, or he may be start being to get very agitated, which is going do dictate what the ground
people, the law enforcement authorities may be forced to do. >> yeah. that information once again coming from cyprus state radio, stating that this man, this hijacker on the plane has written a letter to his ex-wife and has asked that that be delivered to his wife. and bill gavin, our fbi director, former fbi director of new york, good of him to join us to share perspective of what could likely unfold with this situation. bill, i want to thank you again for answering the early morning wakeup call. >> it's always a pleasure, kelly. >> we'll continue to follow it until fox & friends first joins us. i'm kelly wright, more coming back in just a moment.
there are conflicting reports of the number of people on board this night. but we have been told that many of them have been allowed to disembark. we've seen that take place. at least four foreigners and crew members do remain on board. in a hostage situation. the nationalities of those foreigners unknown. the indication was there were several americans on board. the hijacker may be demanding asylum in cyprus. and we've been reporting on that. and now we're getting some additional reports as well. and has asked that a letter be delivered to his ex-wife who happens to reside in cyprus, which would have been a motivation for him to have that plane diverted to cyprus, which, of course, obviously, the crew shall the flight crew met his demand. the pilot landing in cyprus,
and, as we watch those passengers disembark, as bill gavin, the former fbi director of the new york area rightly said, that is an encouraging sign. one thing that might be a bit disturbing and offputting is the fact that ibrahim samaha, the man we know to be the hijacker at this time has demanded that this letter be addressed and given to his wife, that basically delivers to one's mind all kinds of scenarios of what could be his state of mind. what's his emotional state, what is he possibly thinking about doing on that plane with other members from that flight crew still aboard and four foreigners. joining us on the phone perhaps to add some context to this and insight is fox news military analyst lieutenant colonel bill collin. good of you to join us. you and i have talked about
situations like this, all be it, it's been with regard to terror. at this point in time, we don't see this as being perhaps an act of terror, although we want to be careful here. i don't want to speculate and put words into the mouths of the authorities. but it appears to be a hijacking situation and now turned hostage situation. and there are crisis teams on the ground actually trying to negotiate with this ibrahim samaha to have him turn himself in without doing any damage to himself or the four foreigners and crew members on board. in this situation how do you handle this? >> caller: first of all, i don't think the sipcyprus authorities have the type of manner to deal
with this. we had americans, an american sailor killed while a twa aircraft sat there in larnaca. look, i think bill gavin was right. you look at the visuals of these people getting off, nobody seems to be panicked. they're leaving with their luggage. it would indicate that perhaps the situation on that aircraft is, is pretty stable right now. nonetheless, i'm sure authorities, excuse me, kelly, are trying to get close to the airplane to find out what's going on. this is such a strange story, because after the november aircraft, russian aircraft went down and isis took the crisis for it this past november, egyptian authorities really ramped up security across the country, because as people may know, tourism is one of egypt's main sources of revenue right now. in difficult times, in any terrorist incident of any sort really creates a lot of problems
with respect to tourists. so i'm sure president el sisi is upset, and if that's just the pilot's observation that the suicide belt, he may or may not really know what it is he's looking at. somebody could wrap some towels around themselves and say this is a suicide belt, so, kelly, i'd say this story has a ways to go before we know the ending. the good news at this moment is that nobody appears to have been harmed and perhaps nobody will be. >> and that is the good news. and that's we're praying for, that nobody will be. thank you for saying that, bill, because it's very good to put some tone of hope into this, that this could end peacefully. certainly to see all those passengers walk off that flight is a lot better than what could have happened. particularly given the fact that in that area there's been so much unrest in terms of
terrorist activity and of course we don't know that to be the case in this situation. and, like you said, it could have, this man could be wearing something like a fake bomb, just to have his way, and the pilot responding quite, quite proactively saying, well, look, we're going to do what this man says and land this plane and try to protect the people on board here. bill, i want you to stay with us. we're going to come back to you after this break. but going into the break, what do you think is in the minds of the people getting off that plane? what are they likely telling authorities? >> caller: they're going to be telling them everything they can about the, about the guy that's got the alleged suicide bomb, and certainly, they know their name now. i'm sure egyptian authorities know his name, they're trying to learn everything they can about him. but they want to know, as bill said, where he is sitting in the airplane, what's his emotional state? is he moving up and down the aisle? does he have the remaining passengers and/or the crew all
then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. and now you can use zip recruiter for free. go to ziprecruiter.com. this is a fox news alert from new york. egyptair flying a domestic flight from alexandria to cairo has been hijacked to cyprus. the hijacker has been identified as an egyptian national, the pilot telling aviation officials the hijacker's wearing what appears to be an explosive belt. the government says he initially wanted to fly to istanbul but was told by the pilot the plane didn't have enough fuel to go to turkey. there are a number of conflicting reports of how many people were on board, but many have been allowed to disembark
the plane. at least four foreigners and several crew members remain on board. the nationalities of the fore n foreigners is unknown. the hijacker has been identified as ibrahim samaha. he may be demanding asylum in cyprus and has demanded that a letter be delivered to his ex-wife who happens to reside in cyprus. joining us on the phone is lieutenant colonel bill collin. so we're getting more information. and it's still very murky as to the motivation, what motivated this guy to do this. but here's something else we're learning. he wanted to actually go to istanbul. his name is ibrahim samaha. and he's a doctor, a 27-year-old doctor, and taking lives into his own hands apparently as a
hijacker. what does this say about his, to you, as someone looking at a situation like this from a security perspective, what does this say to you about his makeup? >> caller: well, kelly, to this point it seems pretty clear that he's not a terrorist per se, because we know if he were, his demands may have been an awful lot different. and he may, in fact, have been brandishing a real weapon, a legitimate weapon, and people would have seen that. and he'd probably be yelling and screaming. most terrorists who take aircraft are pretty unsettled when they do it. they're emotionally unsettled. they' ar're nervous that somebo about to take them down. this guy, by all appearances at this point seems fairly calm. we're not getting any indications of him being emotionally overwrought. i think we'd see that in some of the passengers coming off if they were, so it may be nothing more than a domestic matter between he and his ex-wife.
and, you know, this is going to have to play out. i don't know that he would get political asylum. we have to claim that he was being mistreated inside egypt. for all practical purposes in the grander scheme of things, egypt is divided between those who support general el sisi and his government and those who are members of the muslim brotherhood, which is dramatically opposed to general sisi. president morrissey is the one who was ousted. and the muslim brotherhood at this point has been declared a terrorist organization and certainly has been saudi arabia. it may also have been by egypt. so this guy may be a little bit off with the muslim brotherhood. that may be some of the emotional thing, and the other really big player over there or player per se is isis, which is primarily in the sinai area which is responsible for a
number of terrorist attacks inside egypt, but if this guy were really a hard-core radical terrorist, he would probably be thinking about flying this airplane into general sisi's palace instead of just asking that a letter be delivered to his ex-wife. >> hold that thought. i want to bring in michael kay. and michael, what do you make of all this? the new information that we're getting about ibrahim samaha, the man who is believed to be the hijacker? >> caller: dare i say it, just picking up on your previous conversation, it's almost a breath of fresh air, but we've not seen a hijack situation for quite some time, and you look at the modus operandi of the islamic state, it is really shock and awe. so if there was an intent or an involvement by the islamic state, you'd certainly expect the jet to have been taken out
midair. with some serious sort of expertise behind it. so i think the fact that it's actually landed at larnaca, i think the fact that women and children have been released, and that's just the crew and unfortunately four foreigners on board, i think that's a better situation than we've actually seen in recent years. what i would add, when it comes to the previous guest is the regime has changed in saudi arabia. >> we're -- michael, we're going to leave it there for a moment. i've got to go to a break. but bill collin, stay with us, michael, if you're able to stay with us, please do. but we'll be back with more details about the egyptian air flight that has been hijacked and now sitting on a tarmac in cyprus.
for those of you joining us throughout the morning, we have reports of only one hijacker on board. he's been identified as ibrahim samaha, an egyptian national and a professor of veterinarian medicine at alexandria university. the pilot tell officials that samaha wearing what appears to be a suicide belt. he originally wanted to be flown to istanbul but was told by the pilot there wasn't enough fuel to go to turkey. there are conflicting reports of how many people were on the flight. but many of them have been allowed to disembark the plane, which is a sign of good news for so many people following the developments. at least four foreigners and several crew members remain on board. there you're looking at a bus. the bus likely carrying those who were allowed to disembark.
a previous report indicated there were several americans on board the plane as well and several brits. cyprus state radio has been reporting the hijacker may be possibly demanding asylum in cyprus and has asked that a letter be delivered to his ex-wife, who resides in cyprus. joining us now on the phone, fox news military analyst lieutenant colonel bill collin, he joined us about a half hour ago and has been sharing insights on this. we've talked to a lot of people, bill, about the developments of the story. and once again, we're look at previous video images of those passengers who were allowed to disembark the plane, and as you have pointed out, bill, as well as bill gavin, the former fbi director of the new york bureau, as well as other experts, we've been looking at the people walk off that plane calmly.
without, apparently without any stress. and that would be a welcoming sign to many, but tell me what you might be thinking or speculating or concerned about, rather not speculating, but concerned about with regard to this letter that he wrote to his ex-wife and the fact that he has been reportedly wearing some sort of explosive device. >> caller: well, again, kelly, per our earlier conversation. if it's the pilot's judgment that it's a suicide belt, that doesn't mean it necessarily is, and i would have to guess that in reality, particularly, since this guy's a doctor, not an airport maintenance worker or something, the chances probably of getting on an aircraft in egypt these days with a suicide belt is pretty slim, because there's always going to be some sort of metal associated with it, and any good security system's going to pick it up. >> bill, hold that thought. this is very important. we're just getting confirmation now from cyprus, the president of cyprus, who says this
hijacking is not related to terrorism. so after about an hour and a half of reporting, we can finally put that to rest. this is not, according to the cyprus president, an act of terrorism. what kind of act it is, we don't know, but obviously it has something to do with the mental state and emotional state of the hijacker himself. so getting back to your point, bill, which is explaining what this scenario likely is. >> caller: well, terrorism or not, still, if it's a suicide belt, shows that there's a flaw in egypt's security. and i'm sure isis and any other, you know, terrorist organization out hear is there is going to b watching this very closely. they want to find out what the guy has, how he got through security and try to mimic him. i think the most important thing is not counter terrorism forces but perhaps this guy's ex-wife who's right there in cyprus, and
my bet would be that the cyprus authorities probably know who she is from the letter, egyptian authorities would certainly know who she is. my bet is that they're trying to get her and get her down to the airport so she can talk with him, discuss with him by telephone, maybe face-to-face, if that's the best thing, but it would almost indicate at this point, that it's this ex-wife who is the key to resolving this whole thing. >> so it's a hijacking, but now, given the fact that he still has foreign passengers and the crew and we are told that the crew is a crew of seven. he has those particular people on board, so that would be a total of 11. we don't know the exact number yet, but having those people on board, it would be a hostage situation as well. so the crisis team, which is already in place, and they've been able to negotiate getting those passengers off the plane, what must they do in addition to possibly using the or having the
ex-wife talk to him, how else can they make sure that this man peacefully resolves this? >> caller: well, kelly, as long as there's no violence occurring, as long as he's not physically threatening to kill people, and we haven't heard any real threats yet, other than the fact that he perhaps has or what somebody refers to as a suicide belt. up to the point where authorities really believe he's going to try to kill someone or indeed he has, they're going to try to talk him out of this. they're going to do all they can to work through negotiations and by negotiations, crew negotiations, resolve this incident. that would be the optimum outcome for eaveryone i believe. but as bill gavin said, authorities want to know everything that's going on inside that aircraft. if we see any chance to deliver food or deliver fuel, they could say we're going to fly you to istanbul but let's gas you up first. they want to get people close to
that airplane, put monitoring devices on board or in there so they can learn what's happening inside, where people are, if you've got him at the front and e everybody else at the back, at least you know have a clear shot at going at him without getting anybody else hurt. the clear thing is what's going on, what's the mental state in there. they're going to have to take it from there. >> there are a lot of cynics around the world. and some are waiting with bated breath. and when they find out it's not an act of terror, some people might say what's the significance of it, but i think it goes to the core of what's happening in this part of the world and throughout the middle east we are seeing that terrorism is spreading and because of that, it brings attention. it calls attention to those of us in the western world who are constantly vigilant, in terms of reporting what's going on, because we want people here in
the western world to be on guard as well. if you see something, say something, even though this has nothing to do, according to this cyprus president, with terrorism, but as you stated correctly, in a way, it does, because of isis living in that part of the region and operating in that part of the world. likely following his way of getting onto flight. that's very significant. and it goes to the core of how do you make sure that egypt and other countries boost their security and beef up their security. >> caller: yeah, in particular for egypt, kelly, because once again, as i noted earlier, tourism is their biggest source of revenue right now. and egypt trying to struggle back from tough times is trying to -- needs that tourism in order to keep the economy going. whether there's violence or not from this point on, it's an act of terrorism no matter what the guy's motives are. he hijacked an aircraft, and that is an act of terrorism,
whether he's part of a group or not. he's going to have to face the consequences. >> we'll leave it there for just a moment, bill. i've got to interrupt you once more. we'll come back with bill collin in just a moment. i'm kelly wright from new york. we're following the hijacking of the egyptian airplane now landing in cyprus.
this is a fox news alert from new york. i'm kelly wright. good morning. egyptair flying a domestic flight from alexandria to khcai has been diverted to cyprus. his name is ibrahim samaha. he's an egyptian national and a fro fe professor of veterinary medicine. the pilot has been telling aviation officials that samaha wearing what appears to be a suicide belt. he originally wanted to be flown to istanbul but was tone ld by pilot that the plane didn't have enough fuel to go to turkey. and just a short time ago the president of cyprus said this is not an act of terrorism.
many people have been allowed to disembark the plane. we saw them leaving by bus as well. at least four foreigners and several crew members do remain aboard this plane with the hijacker aboard as well. the nationalities of those foreigners still unknown who are aboard this plane, but a previous report indicated there were several americans aboard the flight. cyprus state radio reports the hijacker may be demanding asylum in cyprus and has asked that a letter be delivered to his ex-wife who resides in cyprus. joining me on the phone, he's been with us for a good part of the morning, is fox news military analyst, lieutenant colonel bill collin, and your expertise has been focussing on terrorism. and moments before we went to our break you were explaining that yes, the cyprus president is right, that this is, quote, not an act of terrorism, but yet you went on to define it as
being an act of terror by the mere fact that a plane with passengers aboard was hijacked. >> caller: yeah, exactly, kelly, so, you know, we don't know where the president of cyprus is getting his information. i would add something interesting here about cyprus itself, kelly, and i'm sure many of your viewers know this. cyprus is divided into what's basically a greek zone and another side, which is a turkish zone. so had this plane landed in the turkish zone, that guy would have had his chance to apply for asylum in turkey. instead, they landed in the greek part of the island, the greek-affiliated part of the island. cyprus for the most part is an independent nation. but perhaps his ex-wife is in larnaca or one of the towns close by, but look, this is an act of terrorism in the sense that an aircraft was taken. it does indicate that there were security breaches or security
problems. although, i would say once again, we know this guy's a veterinary doctor at the school there somewhere. look, his chances of getting his hands on a real suicide belt in my judgment are just about zero, because, you know, and i would say he's probably wrapped a towel, something around him that maybe was in his carryon and he's told people that's a suicide built. and until proven otherwise, people want to believe that it is, they need to believe that it is. this will unravel carefully. we'll find out this guy did not indeed have a suicide belt or any other weapon or explosive device on him and he'll end up being arrested and hauled off and meet with his ex-wife and get to talk to her a little bit. but at the end of the day, i think this fellow's going to be in jail. i's probably not going to be granted any kind of asylum anywhere. >> at the end of the day i hope you are right that this can end peacefully as it has for those passengers who have disembarked
already. of course there are still four foreigners on board as well as the crew members themselves. we'd like to see the hijacker disembark peacefully and perhaps in handcuffs to, as you say, go to authorities. lieutenant colonel bill colin, thank you for joining us. we are going to real quickly. >> as i discussed earlier the air bus respect is increasingly and much more vif lidly since the crash as minuted earlier. i think as you get there this is not (indissinible certainible) >> i am kelly wright.
hossa hossam,>> egyptair flying from alexander to cairo has been hijacked and forced to land in cyprus. it happened at 8:00 a.m. egyptian time and 8:46 a.m. egyptian time it landed in cairo. we have reports of one hijacker on board identified as ibrahim samaha a professor at veterinary medicine at alexandria university. we will continue the developments on "fox & friends first" which starts right now. >> thank you, kelly. we begin with the fox news alert. it is tuesday march 29th. hijacking horror, a plane packed with people taken over by a loan hijacker wearing a suicide vest. the passengers being held right
now and the demands that he is making. >> and cracking the code the fbi just broke into the san bernardino terrorist's iphone but no thanks to apple. how the tech giant is responding this morning. >> chaos on capitol hill as a man pulls a gun on officers. the brand new information about the suspect and why police knew exactly who he was. "fox & friends first" starts right now. >> good morning, heather. you are watching fox and friends first. i am abby hunts man. >> i am heather childers. we begin with a fox news alert. breaking overnight we have been following for you here, hijacking horror an egyptian plane with several americans on board taken over by a man wearing a suicide belt. >> that plane on the runway in cyprus with several passengers
still being held hostage. >> john huddy is live for us with new information about the hijacker. what can you tell us? >> well, heather and has been bee it has been reported and we are getting information it he is a 27-year-old egyptian national. his name is ibrahim samaha. we are getting information that he is, and this according to alexandria university in egypt that he is a professor of veterinary medicine at the university posted on the university's web site. let's get to the latest on this. we are getting a lot of information. basically every couple of minutes, it is very fluid, obviously. egyptian officials, the last report that came from him most of the 81 passengers aboard flight ms 181 have been released except the crew and four foreigners. we do know that several americans were on the flight, but we don't know if they were