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special report is next with that special. don't miss it. welcome to a special edition of special report, i'm bret baier coming to you from the gem theater in downtown detroit. in just a moment, the first of two democratic candidates will take the stage at this town hall. we'll check the stories making headlines today. >> bloomberg will not run for president. he cannot take the risk that his candidacy could lead to the election of donald trump or ted cruz. he calls trump divisive and cruz
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extreme. flags are flying at half staff today around the country in memory of nancy reagan. the former first lady died sunday of congestive heart failure at her home in las vegas. her 52 year marriage to ronald reagan ended with his death in 2004 after a long battle with alaska highlighter's disease. she became a leading advocate, even breaking from many republicans in the use of stem cell research. she will be buried next to her husband in simi valley, california. north korea is threatening what it calls a preemptive nuclear strike of justice on washington and seoul south korea. it's the start of war games. last week, the nuclear arsenal was on alert following new sanctions from the u.n. over its nuclear program. now, let's welcome our first
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candidate on stage. vermont senator bernie sanders. >> thank you, thank you. >> i don't know, they're feeling the burn here i think. >> thank you for being here. i want to get your reaction to the news that michael bloomberg decided not to run as an independent an hour ago. >> that's his decision. what does concern me on a broader scale is mr. bloomberg is a billionaire. i think it's a bad idea for american democracy that the only people who feel in many ways that they can run for president are people who have so much money one of the things we
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believe in is to overturn the disastrous supreme court decisions so all people can run for office, not just people who have a whole lot of money. what the political ramifications of it are, i don't know. >> you said something that caused a bit of a stir on social media, and among the political analysts who cover this race. you said, when you are white, you don't know what it's like to be poor. different communities interpreted that different ways, what did you mean by that? >> there is no candidate in this race who has talked more about poverty than i have. one of the things that's disturbing, the media doesn't cover that, we have 47 million people in this country living in poverty. that's a high rate in this country. we have the highest rate of childhood poverty. i talk about poverty all of the time. what i meant by that is in
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african-american communities you have people living in desperation, often being abused by white police officers, that is a bad thing. that has got to change, that's why i'm fighting to reform a broken criminal justice system. i know about white poverty, it exists in my state, all over this country. in the richest country in the history of the world, we have more income and wealth inequality than any other major country. we have too many people living in poverty, we have to change our national priorities. we have got to deal with that issue. >> you also seemed taken aback a bit by second clinton's auto bailout lone. is this part of the problem running for president from the u.s. senate trying to explain cloture votes. >> that's a good point, as you know, votes are complicated sometimes within large pieces of
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legislation are good things, bad things. in this case, there was one vote to support the automotive industry. i believe -- and, of course, i knew at the time, if that industry went down, millions jobs, not only in michigan and ohio, all over this country would be impacted. of course i voted in the one senate vote i have the opportunity to vote to support the automobile industry. what i did not vote for was the bailout of wall street. and that is essentially what senator clinton was talking about. what i proposed and i lost by what they call a vote, is to ask the wealthiest people in this country to pay a sur tax. they are the people by and large who benefited from the illegal behavior of wall street. and i thought that rather than have the middle class and working families of this country
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bailout wall street i wanted the 1% to bail out wall street. >> senator, there is widespread bipartisan agreement that programs like medicare, social security and medicaid are the main drivers of our rapidly increasing national debt. now approaching $20 trillion. without reforms of these programs, they say we're heading for a debt crisis. you have the congressional budget office among others, spending on these programs could consume all revenue by 2031. we wouldn't have money for national defense and poverty brahams. you have a big tax increase planned. but you also plan to spend some $18 trillion on programs. how do you prevent a debt crisis? >> of that 18 trillion, much of it is being spent to have the united states join the rest of the industrialized world. in guaranteeing health care to
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all people. and what that means is that in fact the average middle class family. that 18 trillion does not include the fact that that middle class family in the middle of the economy would save about $5,000 a year on their health care costs. i happen to believe, i know not everyone agrees with me, i believe that health care is a right of all people. i believe there's something wrong when we are spending -- >> where does that right come from? >> being a human being. >> and i believe that she is poor and you are rich, she is earn titled to the same quality health care you have, because she's a human being.
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but in any case, when we talk about our health care system, it's important to know. it's not just that we have 29 million people without health insurance, we have many more who are underinsured and we are getting ripped off big time by the pharmaceutical industry. we end up spending and you can explain it to people. why do we spend three times more than the british do per person for health care opinion and why do we pay the highest prices in the world for drugs. >> currently we're at 19 bnt 1 trillion gross federal dead projected to rise by 10 trillion 2026. >> i raise the issue, because of that 19 you were talking about, 15 was health care. you exclude that. and let's talk about the others. i happen to believe that in the year 2016, when we talk about
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public education, it means to me that a college degree today in many respects is what a high school degree was 50 years ago. i believe that we've got to make public colleges and universities tuition free. i believe that we have to substantially lower student debt because young people should not be forced to pay off their debts for 50 years. how do you pay for that? that's your question. when the illegal behavior in this country caused the downturn, the united states congress against my vote, hillary clinton and i disagree, she voted for it, i voteded against it. congress passed a bailout. i think we should impose a tax on wall street speculation, i think it's wall street's turn to help the middle class of this country pay for it. >> my point,we pay for that.
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>> one of the most interesting trends to emerge from the entrance and exit polls so far, is which of you is honest and trustworthy. in state after state, the top priority, there's a massive gulf between you and senator clinton. nevada, 82-12. iowa, 83-10. in five of the super tuesday states you had an advantage on this question. do you share the concerns of your supporters that secretary clinton is not trustworthy? >> i will let the people of the united states make that decision, this is what i will say, which makes me very, very proud. as you know on super tuesday, my own state of vermont voted. essentially. the people who know you the best are your own neighbors. i represented vermont in congress for 25 years. i am proud that i received 86% of the vote in my home state many.
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>> clark? >> thank you. >> my question has to do with -- i'm an american, i watch what happens in the middle east, i'm personally horrified because that's where my father is from. left unchecked, isis is going to perpetuate again side on a number of religious minorities in that area. i'm wondering how you will address that crisis. >> all of us can agree that isis is a barbaric organization that has to be destroyed. the question is, how do we do it middle east effectively. one of the differences between secretary clinton and myself, i voted against the war in iraq. she voted for the war in iraq. in a lot of ways, the turmoil we're seeing now resulted from
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that disastrous decision. the lesson i have learned from the war in iraq, is that the united states cannot and should not do it alone, we have to work in coalition. >> king abdullah of jordan made a profound statement. what's going on there right now. is a war for the soul of islam. and the people who have got the most effectively deal with that issue are the muslim nations themselves. they are the ones on the ground who are going to have to destroy isis. and i agree with that i will do everything can i to keep american troops out of perpetual warfare. i believe along with a coalition of the major countries on earth. i believe we should support the muslim troops on the ground with air attacks, with military equipment, and with all of the help that we can provide. but it should not be our troops.
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on the ground for many reasons. >> do you think what's happening to christians in the middle east should be classified as again genocide? >> what's happening to christians in the middle east in that area is horrific. what is happening to muslims is horrific. i don't know that we have to put a word on it, but when you have a group -- i mean, what can we say about these people? they are killing children because they are going to school. girls who are going to school, they're putting girls in sexual slavery. this is barbarism and we have to destroy isis. >> senator george jackson is self-employed. >> i'll speak for the american public you're much more honest than hillary.
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my question to you is, you talk about the rich, and by taxing the rich to help our economy. wouldn't that hurt those rich business owners that help create jobs? >> good question, i disagree with you in this sense. we have to put into context, what's happened in the last 30 years. >> what's happened in the last 30 years, there has been a massive transfer of wealth from the working class and the middle class, we have seen a doubling of wealth owned by the top 1/10 of 1%. you talk about corporations and job creation. all of the major corporations in the country. you know what they've been doing in the last 30 years? you think they've been creating jobs in america? no, they've been creating jobs in china and mexico.
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i've helped lead the opposition against every one of these terrible trade programs. nafta and permanent normal trade relations with china. i don't believe american workers should be forced to compete against desperate people around the world who are making pennies an hour. if elected president, i'm going to change those trade policies, corporations are going to invest in america not in china. i do not believe in trickle down economics. i do believe if you give tax breaks to the rich and large corporations, suddenly it's going to come down and help working families. what i do believe in, we have to put more money into the hands of working families. how do you do that? you raise the minimum wage to a living wage. i was in flint michigan last night, our infrastructure, it's not just flint, where kids are drinking poisoned water.
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it's all over this country our roads and bridges and airports. why is it that the healthiest country in the history of the world, we're suffering. i don't think it's appropriate that you have major corporations making billions of dollars a year, stashing their profits in the cayman islands and bermuda. you know what they end up paying in a given year? they don't pay a nickel in taxes. i think we should create 15 million jobs over the next ten years. i think you and i have a difference. >> next questioner is a physician -- doctor. >> i wanted to ask you to articulate the benefits of your health care plan of the american people. >> i have believed my entire
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adult life that health care is a right of all people. i know secretary clinton is suggesting that if we go from the affordable care act where we are today, children will lose the chip program. elderly people lose medicare. this is what i believe, every other country on earth as you may know. has a national health program of one kind or another. right now in america, we have 29 million people who have no health insurance at all. we have medicare, which needs improvement. what i believe simply stated is that program should be expanded to all americans. when we do that, we make our
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health care system much more cost effective, we end a whole lot of administration. if you are a physician, you spend half your life arguing with the insurance companies. and you have people filling out forms. the reason that we are so much more expensive than other countries is that we have huge bureaucracy in the health care system, and we pay much much too much for prescription drugs. to answer your question, i believe that we move in a medicare -- to a medicare for all health care system. more cost effective, covers everybody. >> are you worried? are you worried about the transition, is that the genesis of your question? >> what would be your concern? >> well, i've heard a number of other candidates say, we're going to repeal obama care, we're going to do this. we have a current system. i don't see how you make the leap from where we are to where somebody else wants to.
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somebody who has spent my entire life fighting for universal health care, i assure you that we're not going to leave anybody out. the point is to cover more people. one of the problems, and you can disagree with me or not. we talk about 90% of americans having insurance. that's a good thing. we made progress on the affordable care act. but as you well know, we got millions of people in this country who may have health insurance, but they are under insured with high deductibles and payments. let me make a guess, there are people who walk into your office who are much sicker than they should have been, because they didn't go into your office. that's pretty crazy stuff, i want every american to be able to walk into the doctor's office when they should. i don't want to see one out of five americans not being able to afford the prescription drugs their doctors prescribe.
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i don't want to see elderly people cut their pills in half, and i don't want to see at the same time, the three major drug companies in this country make $45 billion in profits, while so many people cannot afford their medicine. >> another health care type question. can you name a single circumstance at any point in a pregnancy at which point you would be okay with abortion being illegal. >> i happen to believe, and let me be clear -- i happen to believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body. i believe, and i understand there are honest people. very a lot of friends.
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they hold a different point of view, and i respect that. that is my point of view, i'll tell you something which i don't like in this debate. there are a whole lot of people out there, who tell me the government is terrible, government is awful. my republican friends want to cut social security, medicaid. somehow on this issue, they want to tell every woman in america what she should do with her body. there are some democrats who say after five months, with the exception of the life of the mother or the health of the baby that perhaps that's something to look at. >> i'm very strongly prochoice, that is a decision to be made by the woman her physician and her family. >> the next questioner is daniel, a college student. >> how do you plan on enacting all of the legislative goals you propose without immense congressional involvement and support.
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in other words, are you solely relying on executive actions to push your legislation everyone agenda? >> no, i couldn't be doing that, i mean, that's unconstitutional. i believe that i want to see public colleges and universities tuition free. i want to guarantee health care to all people. i want to make sure women have pay equity on the job. and i want to do a lot of other things, i will answer your question in two ways. i have worked with republicans where there has been common ground for many years. a couple years ago, i was the chairman of the senate committee on veterans affairs. works with john mccain. we put together the most comprehensive veterans health care bill in the modern history of america, okay? >> number one, i can work with
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republicans, here is the second point. i'm the only candidate who will tell you this. at the end of the day, you have a congress today where too many members are worried about securing large campaign contributions from very, very wealthy people. in fact one of the differences between secretary clinton collected a whole lot of money from wall street, i have 5 million individual averaging $27 a piece. i say that, not to brag. well, i'm bragging. that what goes on in washington now is congress is not listening to you, and the needs of ordinary people. congress is listening to wall street, multinational corporations. what i have said throughout this campaign and i repeat tonight,
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no president, not bernie sanders or anybody else can do it alone. to fundamentally answer your question, what we need are millions of people, many of whom have given up on the political process in disgust, many young people have not been involved in the i political process, we need them to come together and demand that we have a government in this country that represents all of us. >> the follow-up on daniel, i mean, you have some bold prescriptions for the country. >> yes. and you're dealing with a republican congress. so how do you convince that republican congress to do exactly opposite of what they believe? >> in two ways, if i become president it will mean that there will be a massive voter turnout. that's what we're seeing in
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maine. in kansas, they broke their caucus record. it will mean that young people and working class people will come out in large numbers. nail have a lot less seats in the house. here is the point. if the american people begin to stand up and fight for their rights. there's overwhelming support in this country to raise the minimum wage. if republicans look out and millions of people are engaged, you are going to raise the minimum wage or you'll learn what unemployment is, you know what will happen? minimum wage will go up. if women become mobilized and say, sorry, we're tired of working for $79 on the dollar
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than the 1 dollar for men. whether it's the civil rights movement, the gay movement, always comes from the bottom on up. that's what this campaign is about. mobilizing millions of people many. >> who's your favorite republican? >>. >> i'll tell you something funny, i have favorite republicans, people i work with. if i tell you, it will be a disservice to that person. >> i want to keep this answer a little tight. we're running up against time. >> senator sanders, welcome to detroit. >> thank you. >> i wonder if you can elaborate for us, the policies you support to help to rebuild and improve the infrastructures in cities like detroit and flint? >> absolutely. look in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we should not be having a flint
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michigan. that is beyond disgraceful. in my state of vermont, we have bridges which are in desperate need of repair. roads all over this country are falling apart we have a rail system which at one point used to be the best in the world, no longer is. we have got to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel so we can effectively combat climate complaining. what i have proposed is to expend a trillion dollars over a five-year period to make sure that states and cities throughout this country have the resources they need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. the american society of civil engineers tells us we need even more.
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you know what happens when we invest a trillion dollars in roads and bridges and water systems? and our educational systems? we're going to create 13 million jobs over a five-year period. >> very quickly, your senior aide said you may be offered if you weren't the nominee, the vp slot, would you take it? >> we're talking about running this campaign to win to become president of the united states. not talking about -- >> senator sanders, thank you very much. >> senator bernie sanders. >> when we come back, secretary of state hillary clinton joins us here as our special edition of special report continues live from detroit.
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welcome back to this special edition of special report, a democratic town hall live from detroit. please join me in welcoming former secretary of state hillary clinton. >> how are you? >> good to see you. >> great to see you. >>. >> hi, mayor. >> hi, debbie. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having us and. >> i want to start out with the breaking news, michael bloomberg deciding not to make an independent run this year. your thoughts on that. >> i have the greatest respect for mike bloomberg we worked together during the eight years i was in the senate. he has to make his own
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decisions. i look forward to continuing to work with him, finding ways he can show leadership. >> i want to ask you questions that haven't come up, one of them is about libya, you were the leading voice in the obama administration for the intervention. an intervention that toppled khadafi's dictatorship. and it's important to point out there were no u.s. casualties, minimal resources expended. libya now is in total chaos. the u.n. representative said this, isis had quote taken advantage of the political and security vacuum and is expanding to the west, east, and south, while libya's financial resources are dwindling. the networks are booming. if the intervention of libya was one of your great foreign policy successes. >> let's talk about it in context, and let's remember what was going on at the time.
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it was during the so called arab spring, people in libya who had been living under the dictatorship of gadhafi for 42 years were rising up. and he, as we all can remember, was a ruthless dictator with american blood on his hands. ronald reagan tried to take him out because of the danger he posed 37 and once it became clear to him that the people of libya were trying to get more freedom and hopefully a better future, he basically said he was going to hunt them down like cockroaches. the europeans who had a lot more of a connection with libya, going back mr. decades were absolutely intent upon working with us with nato. for the first time, arab countries stepped up and said we will work with nato, this man has paid for efforts to underminus, assassinate our
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leaders, all around bads character. we did join with our european and arab partners. he was overthrown. let's remember that the libyan people have voted twice in free and fair elections for moderate leaders trying to get themselves to a better future. what has happened is deeply regrettable. there have been forces coming from the outside, internal squabbles that have led to the instability that has given terrorist groups including isis a foot hold in some parts of libya. i think it's fair to say however if there had not been that intervention to go after gadhafi, we would be looking at something much more resembling syria now, than what we faced in libya. >> there are people who say libya is a failed state and they're concerned about isis getting power. would you put u.s. troops on the ground in libya? >> no. >> to prevent isis from gain a
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foothold? >> not u.s. combat troops. we are using special forces, using air strikes to go after isis leaders. i wab the to stress the point i was making. leaving a dictator in place, like the iranians and russians have done with assad. where we have at least 250,000 people killed, libya, the numbers are men school in comparison about 1500 last year. there is a kwon certificated effort, the u.n. and others are really working hard to try to unify the different elements within the country. so it's been a couple years, they haven't been as successful as their neighbor tunisia, they are attempting to move forward. we ought to be supporting them, not only with special forces and air strikes against terrorists, but helping them secure their borders and deal with some of the internal challenges they face. >> i want to ask you about a question i asked senator sanders. >> do you think a child should have any legal rights or protections before its born. do you think there should not be
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any restrictions on any abortions on any stage in a pregnancy. >> let me put this in context. it's an important question. right now the supreme court is considering a decision that would shut down a lot of the options for women in texas, and there have been other legislatures that have taken similar steps to try to restrict a woman's right to obtain an abortion. under roe versus wade, women have this right to make this highly personal decision with their family in accordance with their faith, with their doctor. it's not much of a right if it is totally limited and constrained. i think we have to continue
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security review of your private server and the personal e-mails
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during your time as secretary. the fbi investigation is hanging over your campaign. there are democrats who are worried about another shoe dropping, potentially with the word that there's immunitity for brian pagliano. you were asked a question about the debate wlft night. i'd like to ask you a few quick questions on this, i've heard others say that neither you nor your lawyers have been apprised that you are a target of the investigation. is that true? >> absolutely true. have you or your lawyers been apprised that any members of your former or current staff are darg ets of the investigation? >> absolutely not. >> at the time you and your staff deleted 32,000 e-mails, were you aware that the server was going to be sought as evidence by federal authorities? >> no, let me collar phi this, there's misinformation going on around here. let me start with the basic facts.
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i have said, it wasn't the best choice to use a personal e-mail. it was a mistake, however, i am not alone in that. many people in the government past and current have on occasion or as a practice does the same. nothing i sent was marked classified or that i received was marked classified. and specifically, with respect to your question, every government official and this is a legal theory, not just a theory, that's a leg rule, gets to choose what is personal and what is it official. what we turned over were more e assumed were already in the government system, bret. because they were sent to state.gov addresses. >> sure, but there were some that were just recently discovered and turned over -- >> no, that was in the state department, not me. >> the state department has redacted and declared 2101 of
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your work e-mails classified. 44 classified as secret, 22 classified as ton secret. i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. so can we say definitively that that statement's not accurate? >> no, you can't. here's what happens, the state department has a process for determining what is or isn't classified, if they determine it is, they mark it as classified. >> who decides -- >> the state department decides. >> what about you when you're typing an e-mail. >> no, the state department decides what is -- >> and let me go a step further here, i will reiterate, it's a fact, nothing i sent or received was marked classified. now, what happens when you asked or when you are asked to make information public, is that it's reviewed and different agencies come in with their opinions? as you know, just recently,
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colin powell's e-mails were retroactively classified for more than 10 years ago. as he said, that was an absurdi absurdity. i cannot agree more. >> it contained information that should be classified at any time. it shouldn't be now oar then. it's not -- it shouldn't have been classified? >> what i'm saying is, it wasn't at the time, if you -- let's take mary smith who has some information in the government, and she is foia, freedom of information act. give us your information, your e-mails, memos, whatever it might have been. that goes through a process, even though the agency she works in, has said none of this is classified, others start to have a chance to weigh-in. so others might say, you know, that wasn't at the time, but now with circumstances, we don't want to release it, so, therefore, we have to classify
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it, i've asked, and i echo colin powell in this, release it, and once the american people see it, they will know how absurd this is. colin powell and i are exactly on the same page. >> we want to get to audience questions, we have a couple more things there. let's go to a question from a donor of the united way. >> i love the united way. >> welcome to detroit, really glad you're here opinion. >> how do you anticipate getting anything done in washington, when compromise is a bad word? >> you know, this is one of the most questions for anyone in washington. i will tell you what i have done and what i intend to do. when i was first lady, senator, secretary of state i worked closely with the republicans. after we failed to get health care done, i turned around and
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worked with democrats and republicans and worked on the chip program. i also worked with foster care and adoption, with one of the most partisan republicans then in the congress, tom delay, he cared about foster kids, i knew that, i called him up. i said, congressman would you work with me to reform the adoption and foster care system? i said, what do you want to do? come to the white house, let's have a meeting, we were able to find common ground on the issue. i got to the senate, i started working with people who had been some of the biggest critics and opponents of my husband's presidency. we found common ground. and when i became secretary of state, i did the same. now, i'm not saying this is easy, but as my good friend debbie dingell knows, you have to work at it every single day, you have to get up, try to find
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relationships, you have to build on it, find common ground. and that is what i will do, now, the other thing i will say, which is a little bit funny, is when i'm not running for something, the republicans say really nice things about me. and i have like a whole archive of those comments. because i did work with them, and i will work with them 37 i will stand my ground, i will disagree with some of the things they want to do. i think your point is so important. our founders created a system where they made clear no human being has all the answers, you have to work together. they had some really intense disagreements, but they kept working until they could come to some compromise. compromise is not a dirty word. it's the way democracy has to work, that's what i will do. >> thank you, douglas for the
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question. i asked this of senator sanders, who is your favorite republican. >> i worked with so many of them, the women in the senate became good friends, both democrats and republicans, and we worked on a lot of issues. susan collins from maine, for example. but i also worked with john mccain, he and i joined together to raise money for the rehabilitation hospital in san antonio for returning veterans. and we also joined with others to work on some important issues. so i have good relations with a lot of republicans. i hesitate to mention any more names, it will probably hurt them, and i do want to work with them. >> that's what senator sanders said. let's go to another question. >> being an education policy ph.d. candidate, i worry about the confluence of poverty and
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what that can yield. i know in 1994 you supported the crime bill, i would like to know your reasons for supporting it, and if that bill were on the table today, would you still be in support. >> i think that's -- as we said last night, both senator sanders and i supported it. i did have a vote, he supported it. why did we do that? because there was a very serious crime challenge. even an epidemic in a lot of communities in our country at that time. so there were some positive things that were in the crime bill to try to deal with the threat of crime that really had so many serious consequences for people across our country. but as my husband said, last summer, at the naacp, there were problems that were solved, but there were mistakes made in that bill. and one of them was, although it's just about the federal
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system, it set off a chain reaction where more and more people ended up being incarcerated who in my opinion should not have been. low level offenders, nonviolent offenders. we have to rip away the school to prison pipeline and replace it with a cradle to college pipeline. and in order to do that, we need a comprehensive approach. so, yes, we have to improve the criminal justice system, we have to divert people from jail and prison. but we also have to provide educational opportunities, particularly for disadvantaged kids from the earliest ages, which is why i support quality early childhood education, universal prekindergarten education. we have to work to reverse terrible situations like what you have right now in the detroit public schools. i know this is something the mayor cares deeply about. have you little children in classrooms infested with mold
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and rodents, that is unacceptable, indefensible. i'm calling on the governor to return control of the detroit public schools to the people of detroit. and -- >> thank you. you, alton. >> and i want to finish with just one additional comment because you alluded to it. it is absolutely imperative that we make college affordable. i have a plan to do that, debt-free tuition. more help for non-tuition costs so more young people can actually start college and complete college. [[inaudible] shouting] >> i would be glad to tell you, absolutely. it's different from senator sanders. if i have got time. do i have time? >> you have time. >> okay. this is exciting. good. all right. here's what it is. [ applause ] >> i call it the new college compact because everybody is going to have to do their part. i want debt-free tuition.
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you will never have to borrow money to attend a public college or university. the money that you will need will be provided if you cannot afford to go to college. and, right now, given the costs, that covers most people, except wealthy people. [ applause ] so, what i am saying is that we will fund debt-free tuition. you won't have to borrow money. it's different from senator sanders in this regard. i think the costs are too high in college and university. tuition has gone up 42% over the last 10 years. i don't understand how that can be justified. so, when senator sanders says "free college" with no pressure on the universities and colleges to lower their costs. i think that will only make it more expensive. so i'm requiring the colleges and universities take a hard look at what they are charging. and if it's not relate to do
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a young person getting a degree, that will lead to a job, don't charge the student. you will not be able to do that. [ applause ] secondly, i expect states to start reinvesting in higher education. we have enough prisons. they don't need to be building more prisons. they need to be investing in colleges and universities, so they will do their part. and i have the funding worked out so that we're able to do this. senator sanders relies, in order to get what he called free education on republican as well as democratic governors putting in $23 billion a year. frankly, i'm skeptical of that. so i think we can get to where we need to get to, plus reduce student debt. not only you have refinanced your student debt, but also make it possible for you to pay it back as a percentage of your income, which is what i got to do because i borrowed money to go to law school and i wasn't stuck with the high interest rates that too many are today. >> thank you, secretary. we do want to take some
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other questions here. but, by the way, the question i asked senator sanders was, you know u the concern about the national debt and how you pay for everything. >> my numbered a up, and my numbers are connected to sources of funding that we can count on and people have looked at my plans and senator sanders. mine cost about $100 billion a year. and that is all paid for, because i think it would be a mistake to run up the national debt, to run up the size of government by 30%, 40%, 50% without knowing how we are going to pay for it. >> let me bring in automotive lab technician frank roth. >> i have a 29-year-old son who purchased health insurance through the healthcare.gov website. his policy cost $240 a month when he filed federal taxes this year he owed the federal government $241 because the tax break he got from the website was
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overestimated. what will you do to make health insurance more affordable for someone like him? >> well, first of all, we have to go at the mistakes that you just referenced that your son has experienced. i have heard about those. i'm a big supporter and defender of the affordable care act because i think it has given us the chance to do what i have worked for, what senator sanders believes in to get to universal coverage. we are at 90%' have 10% to go. i'm going to get the costs down. we are getting to get out-of-pocket costs down. we are going to get deductibles down. we are going to require more free services within the benefit package. and we are going to go right after prescription drug costs. all of that should help son and everybody else. here's something else i want to do. we need more competition in the healthcare marketplace. one of the ideas under the affordable care act was to encourage nonprofits to get in to providing health insurance. you know, blue shield, blue
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cross used to be nonprofits and they made a perfectly good -- don't call that profit because they were nonprofit but they made enough money to keep going and it to pay their executives and everybody else who worked there then they all became for profit. we need to get more companies more nonprofits to fill this space. the ones that knew what they were doing provided good services. a lot of them have failed because they didn't have the right support. i want more competition and i want competition from nonprofits so that we can really give the insurance companies a lot of pressure to get the costs down. [ applause ] >> okay. secretary clinton, you are not winningtd z in these states with millennials and some also with young women. why is senator sanders doing better? >> well, look, i think it's great that both of us are bringing a lot of people into the process. and i applaud senator sanders for really getting a
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very big turnout among young people. i love to see that. and i'm going to continue to attract young people. i'm proud of those who are supporting me. and i tell young people all the time, you may not be for me now, but i am for you regardless and i'm going to keep working to try to help young people. because, after all. [ applause ] this election is about their future. the final thing i would say about in this is i think a lot of people -- we heard an allusion the father talking about his son, you know, a lot of young people are saying what is going on? you know, they get out of great recession and into the job market and there are no jobs. they are burdened with student debt the ones that have gotten student debt. the economy doesn't work for them, the government doesn't work for them. i don't blame them for being really disturbed by what's going on in our country. that's why i'm not overpromising. i'm telling you what i think can i do and how can i
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deliver results because i want to rebuild people's confidence in our country and where we are headed in the future. [ applause ] >> secretary clinton, here is our youngest questioner, samuel is 13 years old and is he in middle school. >> samuel? >> is he covering and following. >> samuel. >> thank you. secretary clinton, when you think of senator sanders, do you consider him an enemy or ally. >> oh, an ally for sure. and here's how i think about it, samuel. we have differences. and we are passionate about our positions and our differences. and, you know, like we saw in the debate last night, we air those differences about issues compare that to the republicans and how they behave. [ applause ] you know, i am very proud of the campaign that senator sanders and i are running. and i have said publicly i will repeat that tonight, i hope to win the nomination. if i am so fortunate, i hope to work with him because the
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issues he has raised, the passion he has demonstrated, the people he has attracted are going to be very important in the general election but equally following the election to try to get things done. so, i certainly consider him an ally. >> would you tap him to be your v.p. choice? >> let's not get ahead of our. [ laughter ] my gosh, you know, i don't want to think any further ahead than tomorrow and the michigan primary. i can't do that. [ applause ] i want to tell samuel an experience that kind of its what i'm talking about. then senator obama and i ran a really tough campaign against each other to the very end. he won. i lost. so when i dropped out, i0tiu(r"d i began to do that. i nominated him at the convention in denver. i worked really hard to get him elected. and it wasn't easy to convince a lot of my supporters to immediately
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move to supporting then senator obama. but i made the case. i made the case in public. i made the case in private. and the vast majority did what i thought was the right thing to support him to be president. so, when you get through a primary, despite the emotions that are are engendered in your supporters, you have to take stock of where you are and who
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>> thank you so much. thank you, all. >> that wraps up our special edition of "special report." we will have all the coverage tomorrow from the michigan primary in new york good night from detroit. ♪ my friend

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