the powerball jackpot, the drawing is now up to more than $1.4 billion. and you get to keep 400 million of it if you win. james, what you going to spend it on? >> church donation. >> see you tomorrow. it is a fox news alert. we're just 21 days until the all-important iowa caucuses and the lineup for the next republican debate taking place this thursday on the fox business network is now all set. mike emmanuel is in washington tonight. he has all the details. mike? >> sean, tonight fox business network announced the lineup for this week's prime time debate in north charleston, south carolina. on that stage will be businessman donald trump, texas senator ted cruz, florida senator marco rubio, dr. ben carson, new jersey governor chris christie, former florida governor jeb bush and ohio governor john kasich. despite lobbying to be included in the prime time event and saying he's running a top tier campaign, kentucky senator rand paul did not qualify. those invited to the undercard
forum earlier in the evening at 6:00 p.m. thursday are senator rand paul, former arkansas governor mike huckabee, former ceo carly fiorina and former pennsylvania senator rick santorum. fox business set criteria to feature candidates in prime time placing in the top six nationally or in the top five in iowa or new hampshire according to polls meeting fox's standards. sean? >> all right, mike, thank you. the countdown to iowa continues. a new fox news poll out of the hawkeye state shows that senator ted cruz is in first place, he has 27% of the vote. donald trump is second, 23%. senator marco rubio who has been rising in the polls now comes in third place with 15%. 2016 republican presidential candidate marco rubio joins us with more. senator, good to see you. >> good to see you, sean. happy new year. >> let's talk about the state of the race. we've got two polls, the most recent polls have you third in iowa but second in new hampshire and then we've got two polls head-to-head against hillary clinton.
this one has you up, believe it or not, the fox news poll, 50-41% in a head-to-head matchup with hillary. tell us from your side the state of the race. >> well, i know hillary doesn't want to run against me but i can't wait to run against her. she's everything that we don't need in america. we can't afford another four years like the last seven. just today another article comes out about how allies of hers and staffers of hers were conspiring to try to start up palestinian protests. this was reported just today. they were found in the e-mails this plan to try to stir up protests among palestinians to force israel back to the negotiating table. not to mention she lied to the family of the victims of benghazi about what caused that attack. not to mention the way she's handled classified and sensitive information on her e-mails. she's completely disqualified from being commander in chief. i really hope i'm our nominee because i can't wait to run against her. >> what do you make of the instructions that she gave to one of her staffers to literally -- it was a back and forth -- where she said turn it
into nonpaper with no identifying heading and send it nonsecure. now, she said she never sent or received classified e-mail. that became sent or received marked classified e-mails. now she's telling somebody to identify it as not marked when in fact it was. do you think laws were broken? >> well, that's what the fbi should be looking at. i'm going to let them make judgment on that and the justice department. i don't have any confidence this president's justice department will do anything about it. here's what i can tell you. when i'm president of the united states near she nor these other people will be above the law whether it's her or eric holder for what he did on fast and furious or these other folks. people are going to be held accountable if they broke the laws of this country. this president is willing to protect his political cronies, but we'll hold people accountable. nobody is above the law, not even hillary clinton, even though she thinks she did. of course she did all. this it doesn't matter, she did
all this because she wanted it for convenience. so she didn't care if she exposed classified and sensitive information to espionage from the chinese and the russians, but there will be a full accounting of all this when i'm president and we have a real justice department with a real attorney general. >> you're saying if the fbi would either recommend an indictment or if they sent information that indicates she did in fact break the law and loretta lynch does not go forward with an indictment, that if you become president, you would follow up on any potential law breaking? >> yeah, what i can tell you -- i can't order the justice department to do anything. unlike this president, i'm not going to interfere in these agencies doing their job. i will say i'm confident, in fact, i know for sure that i will have appointed, when i'm president, an attorney general who will follow the law and apply it. not one that conspires with me to undermine the second amendment and not one that looks the other way when cronies of the current president are committing lawlessness as has been i believe, the case with regards to hillary clinton's e-mails. >> rudy giuliani, former prosecutor himself, he's identified 16 specific laws that he believes should be investigated that possibly could have been violated. are you convinced that hillary
clinton broke the law? >> well, let's continue to gather the facts. again, i think that we're going to let the -- i don't want people to accuse this of being some sort of political thing. this is about what's right and what's wrong, what's legal and what's illegal. i do have confidence in the fbi. i do not believe the fbi is politicized. i think they'll conduct a full investigation and they're going to provide that information to the justice department. and what i'm saying to you today, if loss were broken, i'll have an attorney general when i am president that will hold people to account, whoever they are, for having violated our laws. >> because things are so tight particularly in new hampshire where you in consistently in second place, you've become a target but you're also fighting back. more specifically with governor chris christie, there's been a back and forth. you talked about him supporting planned parenthood and sonia sotomayor and gun control legislation which he ran on in 2009. how intense is this going to get before new hampshire? >> well, look, this is not personal. these are not personal attacks.
he's been attacking me for over a month, but they're not personal attacks. i believe the republican nominee and the next president of the united states has to be someone who is going to undo the damage barack obama has done. our next president needs to be a strong defender of the second amendment, not someone who ran for office supporting gun control. that's what i'll do. i'll be a strong support of the second amendment. our next president cannot be someone who supports common core. chris supports common core. our next president cannot be someone who thinks that sonia sotomayor would be a good supreme court justice. he supported her nomination. and our next president must be someone who will defund planned parenthood, not write checks to them like he did personally. these are all fax. it's not personal. it is important that our next president will be someone that undoes the damage that barack obama has done to our country. when i'm president,i will. >> all right. in one poll, and this is the marist poll, nbc poll, it has you beating hillary clinton by five points. cruz beats her by four points
in the fox news poll, you're winning by nine and cruz is winning by seven. the bottom line is, you do better than any other candidate in terms of a head-to-head matchup against hillary, but you don't do as well in terms of the general election primary election numbers. why do you think there's that divide there? >> well, there's still a lot of choices in the field. like i said, there's a lot of people still running and they're going to be in the race for some time. of course, that segments the voters a little bit. what i'm confident of is now after the new year, voters are really starting to tune into the race now. they're learning more about the candidates beyond the superficial. and i believe we're going to continue to grow in our support. i'm very confident about where we're going to be when the delegates are counted and we're down the stretch here. but we're going to let the process play out. we feel very confident about our plan, about our campaign, about our message. here's the bottom line. when i'm president of the united states, all of these things barack obama has done to try to take from this country, everything that makes it special, all of those things are gone. we're going to get this country back on the right track,
we're returning to the constitution. we're returning to the principles. we're going to reembrace the principles that made america great. we're going the apply them to the challenges of this new economy and this new era. we're going to make this country special if not more so than it's ever. >> i don't think anybody imagined starting out how great immigration would be in this election cycle. but it seems to get bigger and bigger. we saw the new year's eve sex attacks that took place in europe, for example. yet the president still insists we should take in syrian refugees. because it's changed, in other words, the debate has changed and shifted and we've had so many issues at our own border and so many issues abroad with syrian refugees, have you altered your position -- is this a back and forth between you and ted cruz about who was where in 2013, et cetera? i'm not interested in that debate. i'm interested in where you are now based on the fact that this has become front and center. >> number one, i do not support amnesty.
and when i'm president, there will not be amnesty. criminal aliens will be immediately deported. sanctuaries will lose their federal funding. number two, we are going to enforce our immigration laws. i've already supported that repeatedly in the past. 700 miles of fencing and walls in key sectors in border agents, mandatory e-verify. all those things will happen when i'm president. it's not the debate has changed, the issue has changed. have you a radical jihadist group that is using our emigration system against us. we have to treat this differently because the issue has changed. this is about isis trying to get people into this country as refugees, as doctors, as students, fiances, through the visa waiver program. so it's very straight forward. when i'm president, unless we know who you are 100% for sure and we know why you're coming to america, we're not going to let you in. it's that simple. that's what we'll do when i'm president. >> you once told me that the comprehensive bill that you supported was a mistake and you wouldn't do it again and it wasn't really what you wanted. basically with the president now having a syrian refugee at the state of the union, he's
obviously sending a message. what message do you want to send back about where you are now on not only syrian refugees but all the people last summer that crossed the border? >> let's be clear. i've always been for an immigration system that keeps us safe. the problem is we didn't have isis two, three years ago. isis is not just a terrorist group. it's a sophisticated group that has a real good understanding of our immigration system. we know for a fact they're trying to use it to get people in this country. so we have to change our approach because the issue has changed. where i am is pretty straight forward. we are compassionate. our hearts break at the story of what some of these refugees are going through, but our number one obligation is to keep america safe. when i'm president of the united states, if we do not know 100% sure who you are or 100% sure why you're trying to come, we're not going to let you into the country. it's that straight forward. that will be the rule when i'm president. >> okay. take us beyond new hampshire and walk us through your strategy
for south carolina, nevada, super tuesday. >> we feel great about south carolina. we were there a week ago on saturday. we had 1500 people turn out in hilton head. we were back this weekend. we had event, 600, 700 people at each of them. trey gowdy has endorsed us. we've been working very closely with him in south carolina. we feel great about our team. we feel great about nevada, mark hutchison is our chairman there. we've got a great team on the ground. we feel great about the states that come after that as well. right now the bulk of our focus is on iowa, new hampshire and south carolina, but we're ready for the other states. i feel great about our campaign. i think this is really where the campaign, the rubber meets the proverbial road. and i think as people learn more what i have done, who i am and what i will do when i'm president, our support's only going to grow. >> its looks like it's winnowed down to you, cruz and donald trump. it's getting interesting. senator, thanks as always. appreciate your time. >> thanks, sean, thank you.
coming up next tonight right here on "hannity" -- >> she's married to an abuser, a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. i mean, horrible things. >> that can be their choice as to how to run in this campaign. didn't work before, won't work again. >> hillary clinton responds to donald trump bringing up her husband's past. michelle malkin weighs in. then later tonight. >> they're backward and even dangerous. so ask yourself, who is the one candidate who can stop them? hillary clinton. tested and tough. to stop them, stand with her. >> all right, hillary has a new ad out. she's targeting republicans. all of that plus geraldo rivera weighs in on sean penn's meetings with el chapo. why didn't he tell authorities considering he's one of the biggest drug pushers in the world? chapo. why didn't he tell authorities considering he's one of the biggest drug pushers in the biggest drug pushers in the i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven.
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million. that's a look at the news. i'm kelly wright. back to "hannity." she was saying he has tendencies toward being sexist. >> talking about you, who? >> talking about me. i said, wait a minute. she's married to an abuser, a woman claimed rape and all sorts of things. i mean, horrible things. >> that was republican front-runner donald trump continuing to level attacks against both bill and hillary clinton. yesterday hillary clinton tried to downplay some of these attacks. watch this. >> well, it's been fair game going back to the republicans for some years. they can do it again if they want to. that can be their choice as to how to run in this campaign. didn't work before. it won't work again. i can't run anybody else's campaign. they can say whatever they want. more power to them. i think it's a dead end blind alley for them, but let them go. >> joining us now author of the best-seller "sold out" how
high-tech billionaires beltway crap weasels are screwing america's best and brightest workers." michelle malkin is back. i notice that bernie sanders said this had to do with monica lewinsky. it's disgraceful. hillary tries to go back to say this is about monica lewinsky. what trump is saying no s not about monica lewinsky or even gennifer flowers. he clearly is talking about paula jones, juanita broderick. are they talking about impeachment all over? >> of course, the see no evil, hear no evil and speak no clinton serial sexual abuse evil. this time it's not good to work, sean. i think largely because of the new landscape that all these politicians have to operate in. it is not the 1990s anymore, hillary and bill, where they were able to control the narrative, where they were able to whitewash all of these sins. and i think there's a couple of things going on here. one is that decent americans of all political parties and per
persuasions are sick and tired of the democratic double standard when it comes to sexual abuse of women. there's another thing that's going on here among the right, among grassroots voters are who sick and tired of feckless gop candidates and politicians who are so much more comfortable trashing conservatives than they are in attacking the stained clinton legacy. and so when you have trump sticking out his neck here raising something that is completely fair game and you have these established candidates like chris christie and john kasich and jeb bush all getting their panties in a bunch, in a knot because he's saying the obvious, it really shows you why we're in the predicament we're in in the gop primary. >> doesn't it show once again that trump will go there and other republicans are too timid? because i don't think democrats -- i mean, they can't even -- when they don't have an issue, they just make it up. the republicans are racist, war on women, mitt romney, binders
of women because he wants to hire them. in that sense it should be fair game, but some people seem to be shocked that anyone dares go there. >> yeah, well, there's another thing going on here, too. you know, sean, that i tell it like it is and i weigh all of the benefits and liabilities in each and every one of these candidates. the fact is that there's a lot of people out there who are glad that donald trump is talking about this, but honestly, they know that he himself is a flawed vehicle. this is a guy who just a couple of years ago was praising hillary clinton's capabilities and who, despite now his condemnations of bill clinton as essentially the scumbag that he is, welcomes these people in his social circles. now, i understand, you know, you got a lot of trump defenders out there who will say well it was just a part of business. but the fact is that most of these gop candidates and politicians have their own dalliances with hillary and bill clinton. >> what is the bigger issue,
though, for hillary? this fbi investigation we'll get into more details later, but she clearly is telling somebody to bypass the laws and remove the classification. she said she never received or sent e-mails that are classified, but we have 1,300 and -- i have the number -- 40 e-mails that are classified that are now found on her server which she said didn't exist in the beginning. that appears to be a violation of law. coupled with that, catherine herridge's report that the fbi is taking this investigation even further into potential corruption or corruption laws as it relates to the foundation. >> yeah, that's right. and it's all of a piece. whether we're talking about bill clinton's abuse of power and abuse of office from the time that he was in arkansas -- and i'm so glad, by the way, that we have juanita broderick on social media. she's joined twitter. she cannot be censored anymore. she cannot be leashed by all of
these attack dogs of the bill clinton era talking about how she was raped when she was 35 years old. she's now 73. she tweeted it never goes away. that's the problem with the clinton's stained legacy, whether talking about public corruption or personal corruption, it never goes away with these people. and the fact is, sean, that we know now that it's not just grassroots conservatives, me and you and all the people who have been very consistent in attacking the clintons from the 1990s when they first sullied the public square, but it's all sorts of decent americans around this country. she is in deep, deep, doo doo, and i think the clinton people know it. >> i think you're right. michelle malkin, thank you. coming up, we'll have more on catherine herridge's reporting now what the fbi is expanding its investigation into hillary clinton's private server scandal. could this derail her campaign? but also send her behind bars? we'll have reaction. also later tonight --
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american center for law and justice jay sekulow. author of the new book "the nixon effect: how nixon's presidency fundamentally changed american politics." doug schoen and fox news contributor and washington times columnist monica crowley. let's start with a legal perspective. rudy giuliani, former prosecutor before he became mayor, has identified anywhere between 15 and 17 statutes that ought to be investigated here. now, according to this report, they've got over 100 full-time agents and 50 part-time agents looking into this. >> yes. >> and it's been going on for months. joe digenova, well respected, lawyer in his own right, he thinks that an indictment would happen within 60 days. thoughts? >> i think, look, the fbi, it's pretty clear, with 100 agents involved, is doing a thorough top to bottom review of the situation. at the end of the day, i think what catherine has been reporting about the possibility
of public corruption, basically, a quid pro quo of what happened at the clinton foundation with either donations offered for speeches and so forth and state department action for those same governments could create certainly another area of concern that would be criminal. if you look at it in total right now, the fbi is looking at the complete package. they look at the evidence and they say, does that evidence lead to violations of certain statutory codes under title 18 which is the criminal code? i think rudy is right. we've said it too. there's probably 16 to 18, probably more now when you look at the intersection of the foundation in all of this. i think this is serious. thing is no doubt about that. at the end of this day this will become a political situation. the fbi could present the case, but ultimately -- the attorney general has to sign off of it. >> it could present the case two ways, though. the fbi director could present it with a recommendation of indictment or just send it without comment. now, if he sends it with the recommendation, look, to quote the inside sources, pressure's
growing within the fbi, doug. >> mm-hmm. >> and one source saying the fbi agents would be screaming if prosecution is not pursued, especially in light of how general petraeus was treated and that is a far worse offense. >> and i don't see hillary being indicted. so far no show of criminal intent. i don't think loretta lynch or obama is -- >> 1,340. >> -- are going to recommend an indictment of hillary clinton. do you, sean? this is politics. >> if that is the case, monica crowley, the fbi will be so outraged that all of this is going to be leaked, all of the past cases will be reviewed and we'll know in america that there's a two-tier justice system. >> you'll have a major resoelt revolt on your hands in the fbi which is something that i don't think this president wants. look, sean, i was the first person back in august in my column in the washington times to lay out the whole scenario because of a long history of bad
blood between the obamas and the clintons. about how barack obama was essentially using the fbi investigation as a legal and political vice to squeeze mrs. clinton. now we hear it has another dimension to it, which is they're looking into the possibility of public corruption. what i'm hearing from my source who has not steered myong yet is that of the two highly problematic documents that we know about so far that have been released, that the fbi is looking at that reached the highest classified designation of top secret, one of which involves satellite data looking at the north korean nuclear program, that that document in particular is called into question in terms of why it was removed to her possession in order to serve the clinton foundation and the clinton business interests. if that turns out to be true -- >> this is now the expanded investigation. >> yes. >> to quote digenova, jay, if the fbi decided it had more than enough evidence to indict and loretta lynch failed to do so especially with the fbi's
background work and investigation here, it would create a crisis within our government unseen since watergate. agree? >> well, and much worse. because if you've got the entire fbi -- look, you're talking about top secret documents being removed. you're talking about potential public corruption. i mean, if you look at watergate -- i'm not defending watergate, but it was a bad -- a third-rate break-in and it had its own elements of where the nixon administration was going to try to use the irs, they did not. here we know the whole history with the irs and the targeting. but if you look at the facts of this and this is where the focus has to be, if the fbi is investigating and they look at the facts and they put it together, are those facts evidence for a violation of criminal law? and of course we don't have that evidence, the evidence is held by the fbi. but what we're hearing, it's hard to believe it would not be. but i'm with you. doug raises an important point. there is going to be politics in
this, sean. here is the real question. will the president of the united states allow his former secretary of state to be indicted? that is going to be the question. >> in reality, it shouldn't even be his decision. should it be loretta lynch's. do we have a poll that says that 46% of likely voters think a candidate should stop campaigning if charged with a felony. donald trump is begging the fbi to indict. he wants to run against bernie sanders. watch this. >> i would love, please, fbi, please, go after hillary. i want to run against bernie! oh, that's a dream come true. this guy. >> it's not going to happen. 23, if, and i underscore if something happens to joe biden, you'll see joe biden in the race in a second. look, they'll fix the dnc rules. they will. >> these are not dnc rules. they're state rules. >> they don't care about that. >> they don't care about the laws? >> just like they try to hurt donald at the convention.
they'll try to hurt bernie sanders. >> i don't know. that's a stretch. >> i don't think so, sean. >> for a very long time there's only one person driving this bus on the democratic side and that's the president of the united states and what he wants. >> correct. >> he does not want to be the nominee. no >> he does not? >> and once it goes out of the legal process and the fbi, it becomes a political matter. it goes to loretta lynch. >> if she doesn't indict. >> barack obama and valerie jarrett who do not want mrs. clinton to be the nominee -- >> they want bernie. >> -- they'll make sure she's indicted. it's not going to be bernie. or it will be somebody else. >> but wait a minute. the statutory deadlines to get on the ballot -- >> it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because neither party will have a candidate until the convention. >> exactly. they will amend their rules. they will amend their rules. she's right. >> don't state legislators have a say in this, too? >> they're not going to want a situation -- first of all, we're assuming this is going to
happen. look, if in fact the former secretary of state hillary clinton ends up getting indicted, i think the dnc will be in a panic mode. they're probably already thinking through this, though, doug, i can't imagine they're not. that what scenario will be and they'll amend the rules. whether they can or can't, the idea that it's still a private organization and not the government. >> exactly. >> it's a different set of scenarios. >> ultimately hillary will not be indicted. the president has said it's not a national security problem. you know what? look. with the irs, sean, wasn't that outrageous if they get away with it? they'll try again. >> the clintons have gotten away with a lot. >> keep in mind joe biden just said he regrets it. >> >> every day. >> every day. >> thank you all. coming up next on this busy news night on "hannity." >> they're backward, even dangerous. so ask yourself, who is the one candidate who can stop them? hillary clinton, tested and tough to stop them, stand with
her. >> hillary slamming a 2016 gop rivals in a new attack ad. tucker carlson, rich lowry will have reaction. that's coming up next. later, hollywood liberal sean penn under heavy criticism for secretly meeting with the notorious drug kingpin el chapo. really? maybe he just could have given authorities his location. geraldo is here to weigh in and more. straight ahead. approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any symptoms of an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis
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>> carpet bomb them into oblivion. >> could actually be president. >> sit down and shut up. >> and acting their agenda. >> i think we should repeal obamacare. >> our wages are too high. >> defund planned parenthood. >> they're backward, even dangerous. so ask yourself who is the one candidate who can stop them? hillary clinton. tested and tough.
to stop them, stand with her. >> is there a problem with those comments? joining us with reaction, tucker carlson and with the national review rich lowry. i don't have
any problem with those comments. it's the highlight reel of the republican primary so far. >> look, this is her making the electability argument against bernie sanders. the problem she has is twofold. one, you look at the general election matchup in the polls, bernie is running much better against his republican candidates than hillary is. she might lose to him both in iowa and new hampshire. >> you look at these polls, tucker, i mean, 48-45 hillary over bernie in iowa, but in new hampshire sanders is leading 50-46. he has closed the gap. but he's narrowed the gap in the last couple of weeks. i don't think these news stories about her e-mails and fbi investigation is helping and certainly bill is not helping. >> no, he's not. that ad is unbelievable. the message is really these guys are too mean to isis. they're not giving isis a break.
and i'm the guy that gets them to moderate their anti--isis rhetoric. some consultant's getting rich from that ad because it's pointless otherwise. >> might be why i want to vote for them. >> but it's a reaction to bernie sanders. she's spooked by bernie sanders. which is ludicrous. he's a boutique candidate, the college kids love him. the little rich pot-smoking college kids like him. there's just no way he has a chance against hillary clinton. she controls the democratic party. she's so spooked by her loss in 2008. that she's overreacting to it. >> that's a good analysis. i agree with you. >> it's true, i think. >> she doesn't have the skills of her husband, rich. she doesn't have the skills of obama on the stump. she is, at best, i'm being charitable here, a mediocre politician. there's no warmth, no agenda, no defining issue. all i get is we have a feeling that somebody that lies a lot and is corrupt. >> she has a lot of determination and will to win but doesn't have the natural touch of bill or barack. look, i agree with tucker, she's going to beat bernie sanders,
but it might be a long, hard slog. she might have to grind it out if she loses iowa or new hampshire to this guy who is a completely unelectable socialist. >> have you softened on trump and cruz? they're the two front-runners. >> i'm an admirer of ted cruz. >> you wrote a good column about him. >> he's run in this year when we say all the rules are different, he's run an utterly conventional campaign in iowa. he's gone there done the work on the ground, he's motivated evangelicals and base voters. and that's why i think today if i had to predict, i think he'll win iowa by eight or ten points unless trump does something to really change the momentum there. >> there are two polls out today. he has been up by a significant amount. now it kind of flips back. trump might have more support in iowa than is being polled. >> he might. he might. and i might be completely wrong about everything as i've often been wrong in this race. but i tend to think cruz's
support will overperform his polls because turnout is so strong and these people are such core republican voters. core republican voters. >> if i was trump i would downplay expectations about iowa, which i don't know if he's capable of doing. what do you think, tucker? >> the best ground game in iowa in 2004 was howard dean and he came in third. you just don't know. i will say this. if trump wins iowa and new hampshire he'll be the first republican ever to run the table in first two primaries. the meltdown in washington is going to be unbelievable. among republicans. >> that's why i find trump i'm really fighting to win iowa. iowa could be the difference for trump going 0 for 2 if he loses badly or going 2 for 2 or 3 for 3. he could very well win south carolina. >> if he goes 3 for 3, is there any stopping him? >> it will take an enormous effort. i think this birther thing doesn't work. if i'm trump i'm going after cruz by saying ted cruz is afraid of me, he's a political insider compared to me and ted cruz is trying to sound like me when he's not.
>> cruz has the best strategy, don't you think, tucker, fighting back? >> oh, of course. >> i think jeb genuinely got mad. i think rubio genuinely was annoyed. dr. carson, i'm not sure how he really responded. >> it's hard to know. >> cruz had a strategy. to me, it's like fighting. you're either in or you're out. i'm going to fight somebody, i'm all in or i'm just out. >> cruz is a brilliant debater. and he's not going to let trump get a rise out of him at all. by the way, he's also seen what happened to the guys who got mad at trump in a debate. they were diminished and trump was strengthened. any candidates that underpolls, it's trump. how many people who like trump but are too embarrassed to say so at dinner parties. there are a lot of those. he is the opposite of obama in '08. >> alex castellanos had a pretty keen observation in the sunday shows. i know he was on "meet the press." he said he went out there and was looking for people to fund
anti-trump campaigns or anti-cruz campaigns. he says the moment has passed. it's too late. how is the establishment going to deal with a trump or cruz candidacy? >> the establishment has been nowhere to be seen in this race. and it's sort of an irony because both trump and cruz are constantly the establishment and it's done nothing to hurt them, even if it could. part of it is donors are scared of donald trump. they're scared of being insulted by him. they're worry if they hurt trump they'll just help cruz. >> isn't that bizarre? >> it's really bizarre. >> what do you think? how will they deal -- if trump or cruz win, tucker, how are they going to react? are they going to take up their toys and go home like little babies? >> maybe they'll do the adult thing which is learn something. they'll never like trump or cruz, trump especially because he does threaten their power. but they could learn something. the issues do not matter. it's not just because he was on a reality show and he is funny. he cares about issues that actual voters care about. their dream is to win elections without voters. th can't do that anymore. >> i think it's a little
simplistic to lump trump and cruz together. cruz is a classic conservative >> but cruz is smart. >> he's changed. >> number one debater in the country makes you pretty smart at harvard. all right. thanks, guys. coming up, hollywood liberal sean penn getting a lot of criticism, meeting with drug kingpin el chapo. plus mexican authorities have started a process to extradite tin famous drug lord to america. geraldo is here with reaction tonight.
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. >> pretty unbelievable. mexican authorities have already begun the process of extraditing el chapo to the u.s. joining us fox senior correspondent geraldo rivera. let's go to shoot-out. this is pretty amazing. you were down there. you saw the sophisticated tunnel. but what this tells us, sean, this shoot-out, when you see the violence of it, remember, you have a really substantial unit of the elite mexican marine in a gunfight. they bust in to el chapo's hideout in los mochis, the town in sinaloa state. but the fact is why did he escape? he escaped because his bodyguards stood. they dug in and they fought until they were killed. five of them were killed. it shows you the intense loyalty. it also shows you the fact that they were willing to die to let el chapo escape. he got through a tunnel. he went another mile. >> they caught him there.
>> the only reason he got out of the house is it rained recently. the tunnel flooded. he had to get out of the tunnel and robbed a car. that's when they caught it's that ferocity of loyalty bought with money and fear, that is what makes it impossible for him to be held in a mexican prison. >> inadvertently, penn may have helped authority lows indicate him. but that wasn't his intention. now this guy is responsible for bringing more drugs into the u.s., kill mortgage kids. you see the addiction rate after kids get addicted to vicodin, percodan, percocet. it's massive. why would he have any loyalty to getting this guy with all the evil he is involved in? >> i think you put too much of a moral burden on sean penn. i mean, it's not sean penn's job to determine when he is doing it. here he was working as a journalist. let him be a reporter. the same way i was a reporter
when i interviewed charles manson or fidel castro. >> charles manson was in a jail. >> or arafat. >> arafat wasn't going to be in jail. i bet you, geraldo, knowing the drug problem in the u.s. and his involvement, you would tip off authorities. >> i would not, sean. >> you would not? >> i absolutely not. you would be asking me to be a traitor to the first amendment, a traitor to my profession. look at john miller. you know john miller is the commissioner of the police now and in charge of intelligence. great reporter, interviewed osama bin laden in 1999, the year after bin laden blew up the african embassy. >> all right. >> he didn't tell the cia what the location of the world's most dangerous man was? that's not our job. >> look -- >> that's your privilege. but that's not about that. >> he is not a journalist either, he is an actor. and he sucks up to every two-bit dictator it seems in the world. >> he likes hugo chavez.
but that's not the point. >> and he went to see saddam hussein and met tariq. >> it didn't make him a traitor. >> it's not the same thing. if it was me and i knew his location, i would give it. >> i bet you wouldn't. >> i am an advocacy journalist. i am not an objective journalist. >> i think that you're being too hard on yourself. >> i would probably be writing a death sentence for myself too. >> well, interesting that you mention that. because if these stories are true, that in some way sean penn either intentionally, which is doubtful, or more likely unintentionally helped lead the authorities to el chapo. >> good to see you. coming up, we need your help on our question of the day, straight ahead. what if one piece of kale could protect you from diabetes?
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