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from d.c. fox news sunday is up next. john kasich will speak to chris wallace about a possible presidential run. you won't want to miss what he has to say. coverage continues around the clock. >> i'm chris wallace, six baltimore police officers now face criminal charges in the death of a young black man. ♪ >> the findings of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation have led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges -- >> we believe that these officers will be vindicated as they have done nothing wrong. >> we'll have a live report from baltimore. and we'll discuss the case with maryland congresswoman donna edwards and billy murphy. from ferguson to new york city to baltimore -- >> we as a country have to do some soul searching.
this is not new. >> our sunday group joins the debate over race and justice. >> then leaders across the country try to bridge the gap between law enforcement and the communities they serve. >> you want your children to be safe. you want your families to be safe. we know that. >> we'll talk with ohio governor and potential 2016 candidate john kasich who just named to develop statewide police standards. plus my special trip to west point to discuss the history and future of the united states military academy. all right now on "fox news sunday." >> and hello again from fox news in washington. a terrible week of rioting in baltimore has ended with the filing of criminal charges against six police officers in the death of 25-year-old freddie gray. we'll discuss the case with a congresswoman and lawyer for gray's family in a moment.
first, fox news correspondent doug mcelway is outside city hall with the latest. >> reporter: chris, it was another quiet night in baltimore as that 10:00 p.m. curfew took effect. the combination of the curfew in conjunction with more aggressive policing and charges of those six police officers has brought a greater sense of calm to the city of baltimore with only 20 arrests as of 11:00 p.m. last night. so calm that mayor stephanie rawlings-blake today lifted the curfew. in a rally at city hall we heard provocative rhetoric, one invoking the words, we'll fight on beaches and hills and cities. we should never surrender and another speaker cited the case of an 18-year-old who was photographed in the baltimore sun smashing in a police car window with a traffic cone. his parents after seeing that picture urged their son to turn himself in. he did just that. but he's now facing a $500,000 bail and potential of eight
years in jail. that while other arrested rioters were merely set free. >> we cannot allow them to tear democracy up in our face while we pay for it. >> when is a man's life worth less than a damned car window. a car window. he turned himself in. >> reporter: the six police officers charged in freddie gray's death has been released on bonds ranging from $250,000 to $350,000. all of that while many in the law enforcement community say this was a rush to judgment. >> in my 20 years career as a law enforcement officer and 16 years as an attorney i have never seen such a hurried rush to file criminal charges which i believe are driven by forces which are separate and apart from the application of law and the facts of this case as we
know them. >> separately last night a new york city police officer was shot in the head as he chased down an armed suspect. that officer is hospitalized in an induced coma. in maryland, governor larry hogan is calling for a day of prayer and peace. this is a city that badly needs that. >> doug thanks for that. let's bring in maryland congresswoman donna edwards. welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you. >> let's start with state's attorney mosby's remarks as she charged the six police officers in this case. >> to the people of baltimore and the demonstrators across america, i heard your call for no justice, no peace, your peace is sincerely needed as i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. >> congresswoman, is that too political for a prosecutor rather than seek justice for the
demonstrators or freddie gray shouldn't she be seeking justice period? >> what she was saying is that she really wanted the process to begin and for people to understand what that is so that the city and all of our cities could be at peace and calm. i think she did an amazing job in laying out the reasons for probable cause finding. this is the beginning of the process, not the end of it. >> all right, people were also surprised and doug mckelway mentioned as how quickly the prosecutor moved, she didn't take it to a grand jury. here's the lawyer for the police union. >> i believe that the publicity in this case is driving force to a rush to judgment and causing this prosecution to move so quickly. >> i know that the city was on edge and that bringing these charges has apparently calmed things down. but did the prosecutor move too fast? >> no first of all, there's not a requirement to go to a grand
jury. the prosecutor state attorney mosby had been looking at the case for a week. she received the finding of you know of homicide. and then she acted. again, it's a probable cause finding. it's the beginning of a process. there's been no judgment made. there's a long process in between now and a charges being filed and criminal proceeding going forward. >> let's talk about the baltimore police a baltimore sun investigation found that over the last four years, more than 100 people won $5.7 million in court judgments and settlements in police brutality claims. is there a problem with the baltimore police? >> well i mean i think stephanie rawlings-blake has recognized there's some issues long before this incident. she's asked the department of justice to look at their policing practices and i think
that is going to be a more intense look now, but i would say that there's an over policing that's going on not just in baltimore but really across this country. and it's something we have to evaluate as a matter of public policy -- >> what is over policing mean? >> what it means is that if you have communities where the only face of government that they see is law enforcement, it's not investment in their schools or investment in their communities and economic development, it's law enforcement and that's not the fault of police. that's the fault of policy makers who are making decisions about where our priorities are. >> let's talk about that. whenever you have riots, people talk about the underlying conditions and there's no question that baltimore has serious problems. let's put them on the screen. the violent crime rate is four times the national average. unemployment in freddie gray's neighborhood was 21%. 72% of eighth graders score
below proficient in math. conservatives have pointed out that baltimore has not had a republican mayor in 50 years. is it unfair to say that the liberal policies have failed the city of baltimore? >> no i think it's an unevenly spread. i would say, for example, with our schools, just prior to the freddie gray incident mayor stephanie rawlings-break was prevailing upon republican governors to release money for school fundings. when you have schools operating in the 20th century and we're trying to prepare our children for the 21st century, even those children know they are not being educated in the right kind of way. i think that is a baseline for how we have to revitalize communities so we are not investing in economic development, only in areas where we get tax abatements but other areas of the community and small businesses and education system and josh rejob retaining.
>> if i may, is not a the matter of money, one of the things we learned this week baltimore spends the third highest amount per capita on the public schools. already spending splentty on public schools and they were still lousy. >> there's uneven spending in the public schools. even the school that let out where the riots first began, there was a student who was interviewed who said i'm looking at a book that's 20 years old. how does that prepare her for the 21 sencentury. we have a lot of questions to ask and they are not just questions that are only for republicans. they are questions for republicans and democrats where to make investments in our communities so that the only investment that we make isn't on the back end on law enforcement. finally, if there was one right moment this week in baltimore, perhaps it was the video, it's up on the screen that went viral of toya graham slapping her
16-year-old son michael and telling him get off the streets. you wrote an article this week about black mothers and having what you call the talk with your son. what's the talk? >> well the talk is about prospectively any interaction with police we want to make sure our sons are safe. more importantly i thought that was a moment but the bright moment were the community leaders and community itself coming in to clean up this community, to engage in peaceful demonstrations and to say we want our community back. >> but when you say -- >> those were bright moments. >> when you say the talk with your son, what is it you tell your son about interacting with police? >> i say if you have an inter interaction with law enforcement, make sure it is respectful and make sure that you don't put your hands any place that law enforcement officers can't see and don't make sudden movements. i don't want to have that conversation with my son but starting in about middle school i did because the most important thing for me is that he's safe. we come from a middle class
family. if i'm having that conversation imagine the interaction with other mothers and fathers are having with their sons and daughters too. but we have to change this not on the back end but on the front end with education. >> thanks for coming in today. >> thank you. >> we invited officials from the baltimore police union to join us today to give their side of this case but they declined our invitation. now back to baltimore where billy murphy attorney for the gray family joins us. mr. murphy the police union called for a special prosecutor in this case even before marilyn mosby issued her charges and couple of points they made one they said that you contributed to her campaign and also that you were on her transition team. they say that's a conflict of interest. would a special prosecutor at least erase that doubt? >> you know we never heard these conflict of interest
charges during the last state's attorney administration. i was on his transition team too. we never heard these kinds of conflict of interest charges ever before in the history of baltimore. i think that because the police are now on the side of -- on the opposite side of the prosecution, we're hearing this kind of stuff for the first time. and it's interesting that the police union itself contributed almost as much money as my son did, the contribution didn't come from me it came from my son. so they evidently were on the same side of the political fence when marilyn mosby ran for state's attorney but sour grapes prevailed. >> let me ask you about another aspect of this. there's also talk about moving the case outside baltimore, change of venue especially after the comments i just played of marilyn mosby seeking justice for freddie gray. what are your thoughts about that? >> that would be unprecedented
because before you can take a case out of the jurisdiction where the crime took place you have to prove that you can't get a fair and impartial jury in baltimore. and that's actually not an opinion process, it's an em pierical process where you test the jurors by asking them significant and pointed questions about the ability to be fair as jurors. only if you can't do that should the case be moved. there are people who don't want it in baltimore because they see everything through a racial lens. but these police officers were both black and white and so there's no reason to move it outside of baltimore. >> now, we have seen a number of cases where police officers are charged and then when it gets before a jury they are sometimes refused to convict police officers. are you and freddie gray's family -- you'll accept the verdict of a jury of 12 peers
regardless of what it is? >> we've been saying that repeatedly. we haven't asked for a particular verdict. we have said we want justice and whatever -- selected from the community who have indicated that the satisfaction of the presiding judge they can be fair and impartial in this case. we can do that in baltimore, like it's been done all over the country. >> what if the verdict comes down and all six officers are found not guilty? >> i'm not going to speculate about anything because it doesn't do any good. we have a process, that process is going to be handled fairly and impartially like every other case in baltimore is normally handled. i have confidence in that that it can be handled right here and in the proper way. >> last question. some people because they are not taking quite the reserve position some people on the street in baltimore are saying
look if these six officers aren't all converted that the rioting in baltimore will be even worse than it was this week is that the way the criminal justice system is supposed to work sir? >> well you're not talking about the criminal justice system when you're talking about one day of rioting and a week full of tension and anticipation incorrectly that there would be more rioting. we don't like it in baltimore when you say there's been a week of rioting. number two, the problem is a very deep problem. it can't be satisfied about labels or by labels of left and right. these are children who have been neglected and don't have parents because mainly the war on drugs is a war on black people suspected of having drugs and whites in this town like in neighboring cities across the country it who have the same amount of illegal drugs except they use them discreetly and don't get prosecuted. 91 92% of the cases in
baltimore city probably more only blacks and browns are prosecuted for drugs. that has to be addressed and we have to end the terrible war on drugs which has never been successful and creates overincarceration of black men who could be fathers and destroys black families in so many ways. you're right to point out in some ways that money is not the answer. part of the answer is that we have to create a city where kids get raised properly and when they are neglected that we take care of that problem because they are just kids. >> mr. murphy thanks tore talking with us sir. with the decision to charge the six police officers will the situation on the streets of baltimore calm down? our sunday group joins the conversation. plus what would you like to ask the panel about the riots and the charges against police? just go to facebook or twitter at fox news sunday we may use your question on the air.
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to the youth of the city i will seek justice on your behalf. this is a moment your moment. >> baltimore state's attorney march lynn mosby raising eyebrows with comments she made after announcing criminal charges against six police officers in the death of freddie gray. it's time for our sunday group fox news senior political analyst brit hume cheryl has been reporting for "the new york times" and george will and fox news political analyst juan williams. cheryl the times spoke with mosby just after they announced the charges against the six
police officers. how does she explain what some observers think were excessively political remarks? >> i think you have to look at her in the context of who she is. she's a 35-year-old black woman and the daughter and granddaughter of police officers. she grew up in a tough neighborhood in boston saw her own cousin killed on the door step. she is someone who would say to you, i know both sides. i come from a family of police officers but also as a black woman i have experienced harassment by police. so i see the good and bad. she says does that shape me do i have a certain perspective? yes, i do. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and got several about exactly this issue. nathan writes on facebook do you believe this is politically driven to appease the city residents? and seems like the mob is dictating that the cops be punished they don't care about
due process. will they get a fair trial? george? >> when ms. mosby says i have heard your call no justice, no peace, that does inject a kind of element in the criminal justice system that shouldn't have any of that. on other hand the police have under policeman's bill of rights negotiated by the union have a right not to answer any questions for ten days after an incident such as this. the old axiom is that a grand jury you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich which is really interesting is the specificity which she laid out findings already. that is in the 45 minute ride when mr. gray was in the van, she says it made four stops and after first stop she said he suffered his spinal cord injury as a result of her words, as a
result of him being shackled at the ankles and reunrestrained in the back of the van. that's an awful lot of information. it will be interesting to know and in fullness of time we will know where it came from. >> your reaction to that and your reaction to this concern that when she said i've heard your voice and seeking justice for freddie gray that it makes it sound like she's responding to the street. >> well i differ with george i think the politics of course plays a role in all of our functions. she's an elected official. she's not their appointee or something. she's an elected official. it's appropriate that people are aware of the larger social context here which is that there is a standing grievance in the black community, especially among poor black people about treatment by the police. plets cut to the chase here you have concentrated areas of poverty in this country, extreme poverty. you put up the numbers before about how impofrished that
section is, unemployment and the like and then ask police to go in there and deal with the chaos and disorder and extreme violence that's part of those communities and it's very difficult to put police in that position. but once you do the question is then is it fair for police to well be abusive and brutal in treating those people? of course the political structure that george was talking about a moment ago has often said they are our blue line against that chaos spreading affecting downtown business districts and middle class neighborhoods. but the reality is, you go back to the moynahan report almost 50 years ago now, daniel patrick moynahan had it right. the breakdown of the family high single parent families who those kids were were rioting in baltimore, set that city on fire. >> if i might follow up marilyn mosby ran on a platform of
pursuing this before. they have grappled with this and people in baltimore who are concerned about police treatment of black men campaigned aggressively to oust her predecessor. so this was on the table. the table was set when she was elected in november and she's only four months on the job. >> that does not relieve her of the responsibility in any individual case to view it with impartiality. and when she says that she did the other day she's working quote, to deliver justice on behalf of this young man, talking of course about the victim freddie gray she is basically suggesting to anybody listening, that she is in a sense representing him and his case not representing the people of baltimore, all of the people of baltimore. but this young man. now, the context of that was such that she clearly was trying by her words to quell the violence in the streets. that's understandable. but i think perhaps not to the
extent that she is -- as far as she went to suggest that she's already -- she came into this to some extent with an agenda and mind made up. >> how do you respond to that? >> i think some people in baltimore do think she was trying to quell the violence in the streets. one lawyer who handles police brutality cases said to me she probably saved the city a lot of stress and in fact we did see a clear change in the mood in the city of baltimore yesterday, a protest last saturday turned violent, this was before monday night's riots, yesterday in the streets of baltimore, there was almost a celebratory feel. i certainly can't speak whether that was ms. mosby's intent but that is clearly the result. >> there are other inputs as well. when the rioting began the police went in the opposite of the way they originally went into ferguson. the police went in too heavy, and it was thought that didn't
work very well. well they went in light in baltimore the first night. they stood back and allowed looting and arson to go forward right under their noses and that didn't work well either. once the fort was brought up and national guard brought in the riots died down. they may have helped to end it finally but there was more to it than this indictment. >> the fact that this is -- we're having this discussion about the political content of this whole process indicates we're setting up a very delicate decision and we know it can go wrong, that is whether or not there can be a fair trial for six officers three white, three black or whether this should be a change of venue. in the rodney king beating in los angeles, they decided to change the venue. they moved the trial to simi valley -- >> i was there. >> where a lot of lapd police officers live. the officers were acquitted and the fact that had tb -- the
trial had been conducted in simi valley may have led to some of the worst rioting. >> in staten island, you have a video of a man being choked and there's no grand jury indictment. you have a xags where she could have decided to go to grand jury and charge the as she did or declined. but she says she had a thorough process. that's what is he said thorough and comprehensive. to my mind what's important here under due process, which is what i hope the policemen get, black and white police involved here is that there be transparency and speed to this process. and that is delivering i think on an american promise back to our constitution that there should be speed and transparency and fairness in the delivery of justice and that's what i think a lot of people in the black community feel there has not been with respect to the way poor black people -- >> i would add one other thing to that impartiality. >> that's fairness. >> all right. >> we have to take a break here and see you later.
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by our next guest. this week it was baltimore but the divide between law enforcement and the communities they serve is a problem across the country. after a series of fatal police shootings in ohio governor john kasich created an advisory board to develop a set of standards for police. joining us now to discuss that and a potential run for the white house, ohio governor john kasich governor welcome back to fox news sunday. >> always good to be with you, chris. >> everyone remembers the case of tamir rice the 12-year-old boy playing with a pellet gun and was shot by cleveland police. how will the board you set up after having a task force examine this for months how will that board prevent tragedies like this sir? >> well chris, first of all, what we did is appointed a panel that was very diverse and chairman -- one of the chairman of the panel is the former head of the highway patrol and co-chair person is the vice
chairman of the democratic party here african-american woman who's son is also a police officer, nina turner. we got together with them and a whole group of people including law enforcement, clergy community leetders elected officials and come up with a series of recommendations to which will be immediately implemented. one is a statewide standard on the use of deadly force and secondly an aggressive look at recruiting and hiring practices and beyond that, something that's critical we're going to develop the standards on transparency data collection for police all of that but the whole goal is to fully integrate the police into the community because look the end of the day, everybody has the same goals. the community wants to be safe they don't want drug dealers on the corner and don't want violence and they want the police to be in there to give them safety. the police on the other hand have to be integrated into the community so the community understands their challenges. this board came up with a unanimous set of recommendations
that will now be developed. it's endorsed by police and endorsed by community leader and i'll be traveling, i'm going to cleveland tomorrow to present that in this community and traveling around the state. it is vital -- america's strongest chris when we're united not what we are divided, plain and simple. >> i'll ask you a question i asked congresswoman edwards looking at the decline of baltimore over the last 60 years. in 1960 it was the sixth largest city more than a million people now it has 600,000 and out of the top 25. there hasn't been a republican mayor in 50 years. do you think liberal policies have failed baltimore and other inner cities around the country? >> well let me tell you what we've done. we've reformed the cleveland schools. i worked with the african-american democrat mayor, we had almost unanimous approval in our legislature to support the most dramatic school reform in the north in america. i've been involved in creating
mentorship program to sit with our children because that is the guts of being able to get them to see hope and the future and they can understand their potential. we are developing entrepreneurship doing everything we can to include the minority community in a number of state contracts when we build roads. we want them to participate. chris, at the end of the day, everybody has to be lifted and everybody has to feel that they are part of america and part of economic gains. and without that whether it's schools or mentorship or criminal justice reform we've done all of those things in ohio and as a result of that not that we're perfect, but what we feel is happening in ohio is that people do feel that there's an opportunity. we have a case coming -- court case coming up in cleveland soon. we have our eyes on that and preparing for anything that might happen around that with the mayor of cleveland. these are very tough issues but again, we all have to understand when we're together when we're united america is stronger than
when we see problems happening in our cities. >> do you support school choice and vouchers? >> yeah of course i support vouchers. we were also able to strike a deal with the cleveland schools that we could also have community schools and this is really unique also in the city of cleveland and we actually put a person in charge and now i'm beginning to look at other cities clis if you don't have good education, you have nothing. it's the skills and mentorships in the schools that allow kids to see their future. if you talk to african-americans totally engaged, they believe that the concept of mentorship of folks being able to give hope to young kids and get them to seal a different and more prosperous and hopeful way of life is one of the keys to having progress throughout society. >> we have to talk 2016 politics. you've set up a committee to explore a potential presidential run. you've said the key is whether
or not you're going to be able to get enough resources to run. i guess two questions, one, how much do you need and two, what's your deadline? >> well look i'm not going to tell you exactly what our goals are, chris, we're not going to be able to raise the kind of money that jeb bush is raising, but we want enough money to be competitive. i tried this thing 16 and 17 years ago and didn't have money to put in the car to drive our suv around. but it's a little bit different this time. i feel like the message is working of bringing people together. the results here in ohio give people a lot of credibility for our team to be able to move forward. and we'll know over the course of the next few months we think we're off to a pretty good start. and we're going to see how it goes. and if it goes great, i'll be happy, if it doesn't, i'll be disappointed but i'll get over it. at the end of the day, i feel pretty optimistic about things and head back to my third trip to new hampshire, been to south
carolina and michigan i'll be traveling the country, chris. >> we are beginning to run out of time. i'll ask you to answer these next couple of questions more succinctly there are two basic wraps against you as a presidential candidate, one is you're too moderate you've expanded medicaid as part of obama care and strong supporter of common core education standards. you're open to legalizing undocumented immigrants. what do you say to conservatives who say they can't stomach that array of positions? >> well you know i won 86 out of 88 counties in ohio with almost 64 prosecution% of the vote. i received 51% of union households and 26% of african-americans. you want to be president, you better win ohio. what we've been able to do ohio with job growth with tax cuts and largest in the country and
history of balancing budgets, chris, i think it's hard to question my conservative credentials but i will tell you this as a conservative i believe economic growth is a means to an end -- not a means to an end but should be used to help people rise and be lift and that's what all americans want whether republicans or democrats. >> the other issue quite frankly and i'm sure you've heard this over the years is whether you have the discipline to run for president. here's a clip of the full kasich. >> i'm a republican and conserve tifr but my party is my vehicle not my master and you know what i'm free as a bird. i'm free as a bird. isn't it great? >> in a generally favorable article in the atlantic the reporter says this about you, he has a combustible personality that strikes some as refreshing and genuine but others as erratic. how do you plead? >> well look i was chairman of the budget committee, one of the
chief architects of the last time we bamed the budget in washington. i was a military reformer and have more national security experience than anybody in the field except lindsey graham has some of that but not been an executive. on top of that i inherited a state that was collapsing. and this state has grown, up 340,000 jobs $3 billion in tax cuts strong credit you know what it is? i'm a normal guy in a big job. i tell it like it is but i tell it like it is with mixed with an ability to say to people i want you to have a chance. i want you to live the american dream so all of that criticism -- i don't know what to say about that other than look at the results. they've been pretty darn good. frankly, america needs a change agent and needs somebody to restore the strength of this great land of ours. so carly fiorina says there's a 90% chance she's going to run
and looks like she's going to one. lindsey graham told me 91% chance. >> i thought the spurs would beat the clippers and picked the wrong horse in the kentucky derby. i don't do odds. they don't work out very well but we'll let you know as soon as we can. it looks pretty good. >> you sound like a candidate and very interesting candidate -- >> i'm not sure i want to sound like a candidate. i want to sound like an american trying to ma this country a heck of a lot stronger. not a politician typical somebody to not pay attention to the special interest groups and change status quo and shift power out of washington and get america on the track again with strength in our military as well. these are things i feel passionate by about, whether i'm a candidate or not. god bless our country and thanks for putting me on. >> thank you for coming in. as always very interesting to talk with you. >> thank you.
we must urgently begin to rebuild the bonds of trust and respect among americans. restoring trust in our politics our press, our markets. >> hillary clinton addressing the situation in baltimore but also spurring some pushback about her trust issues. we're back now with the panel. more troubles for hillary
clinton this week. it turns out the canadian affiliate of the clinton foundation failed to report more than 1100 donors who gave more than $33 million in another clinton charity failed to disclose any foreign donations including tens of millions of dollars from other countries. does the clinton cash scandal have legs? >> oh, yeah i mean and who knows what more we're going to find out. we're beginning to get reporting into exactly how the clinton foundation spent the money it brought in. to what extent it was absorbed by the cost of the thing itself and that will give more fuel to this. i think it all adds up to the picture the clintons haven't changed. they are who they are and what they are. and the question for the country will be whether we want another four or eight years of them being who they are. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton got her first announced
democratic opponent this week independent senator bernie sanders of vermont who made it clear he's going to go after her from the left. >> this day in age whether it is possible for any candidate not a billionaire or who is not beholden to the billionaire class to be able to run successful campaigns. >> cheryl what impact do you think bernie sanders can have on the democratic race? >> bernie sanders, the only candidate carrying out key chain from the eugene v. debs campaign. he can't win. barack obama has been accused of being a european style socialist, i don't think americans will put a real european style socialist into the white house and i don't think democrats will nominate one to run for the white house. >> i think he taps into a vein in the democratic party that is hungry for what i would call elizabeth warren style populism
break up the big banks and game is rigged against us all of that warren rhetoric in favor of the little people. elizabeth warren isn't running. bernie sanders can give voice to that philosophy and he will shape the debate and try to push hillary clinton to talk about issues in a different context. >> then there's bridgegate the closing of lanes for the george washington bridge to punish the mayor of ft. lee for failing to endorse chris christie's re-election. on friday two of christie's top aides indicted and third pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit fraud. and his lawyer talked afterwards about his client. >> i had made the statement on behalf of mr. wildstein in january of 2013 that mr. christie knew of the lane
closures while they were occurring and evidence exists to establish that. >> christie's office as soon as these indictments and guilty pleas came out said that he has been cleared. has he been? is he off the hook now? >> certainly nothing came out so far from the official documents now the defense lawyer is talking like a defense lawyer and that's his prerogative and duty but it could have been a bad day for mr. christie and it wasn't. mr. christie came off a wonderful high as head of the republican governor's association getting all of those republican governors ee leked and it's been downhill since because he's been the chief casualty of jeb bush's entry into the race. jeb bush has an advantage, that is he's unemployed in the sense he's not in office. ronald reagan had that advantage in 1980 and nixon in 1968. i think that what mr. christie is counting on at this point in
the 2007-2008 cycle, the consensus was john mccain was dead broke, a spent force. john mccain said i can do the retail politics with town hallno i can do this with town hall meetings. this is exactly chris christie's strength and we're going to see if he can use the smaller states for that. finally, media bore dom should not be counted out of this. there will come a point when they will say wouldn't it be fun to have a story about chris christie's revival? and it may be self-fulfilling. >> we do like to build them up tear them down and then build them up again. there is the republican feel that keeps growing. over the next two days take a look at this. ben carson carla fiora and mike huckabee will make the race. you've still got scott walker you've still got chris christie. we could be well up over a dozen. >> fox news has, i think, the
first debate. you'll be busy because i think you'll have a stage filled with more than 10 possibly 12 people. but this is because the republican party right now is fractured, chris, and they're seeking to define themselves. so you get people who are libertarian, people who are tea party, people who are socially conservative people who areie evangelical evangelical, and you get people from the establishment on the other party. the wall street small government low tax wing of the party. all of that is in place because, look when we have these discussions, what you hear as a refrain is anti-obama. anti-obama. but that covers over the splits within the parties. so now you have a party that's coming up against, well educated young women, minorities. that coalition is essentially very difficult for them to break through in terms of the electoral college, as we've seen with president obama. right now they've got to decide what does the republican party in 2016 and going forward stand
for? that's why you see so many people on the stage. they're trying to become the leader that defines the new republican party. >> i guess one of the questions is because there are going to be more than a dozen candidates can they sort this out without destroying themselves? >> that is the question. and one of the interesting features of this whole thing is george remarked that when jeb bush started his fundraising drive and his non-campaign campaign he suddenly raised all this money and took some of the oxygen out of the space where christie wanted to be. but he has -- he has never gained any altitude since then. the question is will he? we know he's going to be fabulously well-funded. is he planning a campaign in which he's ready to absorb losses in the early stage and try to fight on thereafter? such campaigns have not worked well in the past but he's not appealing to the right on certain issues. i think it's a good question of exactly what kind of campaign he's trying to run, because it
looked like he was going to be sort of the front runner and that's not happening. that of course is part of what encourages all the rest of these figures with ballooning numbers we've talked about to get in the race. >> i think the money is also fueling this because there's now big billionaires who can push their candidacy. >> money isn't what it used to be in politics because there's too much going around. thank you, panel. see you next week. west point on tradition and change change.
extra protection from light... outdoors indoors and in the car. a look at the statue of west point, hosting the graduating class of 2015. we discussed what has made the academy so special these last two centuries, changing with the times while maintaining its commitment to duty honor, comfort. it was a living history of west point. cadets dating back to the class of '65, including the current and former superintendents of the last two decades. addressing the class of 2015. and that's where we started, with two generals of the army,
dwight eisenhower and omar bradley, who graduated from west point years ago. >> the changes from 1950 to today have been enormous but we're also trying to maintain that which must endure the central core values of the school. >> graduates of this institution continue to serve the nation in peace and war in the most remarkable way. i think that's the value proposition of west point. >> but there have been changes. there were no female cadets until 1976. now they make up 20% of the corps. there were a handful of african-americans 50 years ago. now one-quarter of the cadets are minorities. >> the superintendent at the time said that he would leave the army if women were allowed. he didn't. and he later came back a few years ago to say it was the
dumbest decision and remarks that he ever made in his career. >> another big change, discipline. the honor code used to call for automatic expulsion for any violation. now more than 50% of honor code cases and with discretionary punishment. >> is that a good thing or has the disciplinary system here gone too soft? >> when i was a cadet, we didn't have discretion so i was motivated to obey the honor code and i obeyed the honor code because motivation was a pure consequence. i wanted to aspire to a set of principles of integrity and honor and what they're all about. that got me to the end state of not disobeying the honor code but it was probably the wrong motivation. >> then we got to the future. how would they like to see west point change? >> there is a particular challenge that west point faces, and that is not enough of the country knows about the academy. when we were growing up in the '50s and saw on cbs every
wednesday night a 30-minute made-for-television, two-year-running documentary called "west point." the bottom line is let's tell the secret about the academy, explaining what the treasure is here is a major step forward. >> finally i asked the superintendents, or supes, as they're called if there is one moment that crystallizes what west point meant to them. >> as i look at the graduation parades, that's probably the most significant parade for me and you all will be part of that in just a few days. it signifies your movement on. >> when i'm in front of you, a chance like this to try to pass on what this concept of a long gray line means. >> and this is what they gave me the formal tarbucket hat the cadets wear during parades. it will be a treasured memento
of a day at west point i'll never forget. thanks for joining us. we'll see you next time on "fox news sunday." . this week on "the journal," editorial report rioters lay wait in baltimore. does politics show how they've failed urban america? plus bernie sanders joins the presidential race but is another icon really calling the shots when it comes to hillary clinton's left turn. will we see a spring rebound or is there more trouble ahead? welcome to "the journal editorial report." i'm paul gigot. rioters lay waste to a part of that already struggling city