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because two dallas nurses were infected while treating a patient who traveled to texas from liberia. the guidelines call for garb that leaves no part of the body exposed. in addition to increased training, a trained monitor will now supervise the donning and removal of all protective gear. police in gary, indiana fear they may have a serial killer on their hands. they found the bodies of seven women over the weekend. a suspect is in custody, and he has reportedly told investigators there are nor victims out there. and oscar de la renta, whose name came to symbolize designer fashion has died. his chic fashions were created and worn by socialites. oscar de la renta was 82. i'm kelly wright. welcome to "hannity." tonight for the entire hour we're going to be joined by a panel of medical experts to discuss ebola in america and what it means for you and your family. but first -- welcome to "hannity," this is a fox news
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alert. after facing major criticism for its message or lack thereof following the first ebola diagnosis on american soil and subsequent infections of two nurses, the white house is now appointed this man, ron klain, to be the obama administration's ebola czar. now, the problem is klain is not and never has been a doctor and he has no extensive background in health care. instead, he has served as a senior white house aid to president obama, chief of staff to vice president biden and chief of staff former vice president al gore. not surprisingly the appointment is being slammed by republicans. take a look at what texas senator ted cruz had to say about this over the weekend. >> mr. klain is not a doctor, he's not a health care professional. he doesn't have background in these issues. we should be less concerned about giving the public the feeling that the government is on top of this and more concerned about the government actually being on top of it. this is a manifestation. we don't need another white house political operative, which is what mr. klain has been.
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what we need is presidential leadership. the person who needs to be on top of this is the president of the united states standing up and leading and treating it as a public health emergency. >> fox's own ed henry is standing by tonight. he's at the white house. he has the latest on how the administration is responding to the criticism. you know, ed, i guess the main question is we have some of the best most renowned doctors, people who've studied ebola for years, military experts. why a political person? >> well, sean, that's an interesting question because the bottom line is you're right. the republican criticism continues to mount about the appointment of ron klain. today in fact the president went back on the campaign trail. you remember, he took two days off last week to deal with the ebola crisis. at one point today in chicago he did convene a secure conference call with lisa monaco, his homeland security advisor, to get an update on ebola. not with ron klain. you may wonder why.
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we're now told he's not officially started. he'll be on the job this wednesday. he's still trying to get up to speed. in terms of republican criticism, you hear this refrain from lawmakers saying he has no medical experience, democrats are pushing back by saying when former president bush appointed a bird flu czar, that was someone without medical experience. and medical experts like dr. tony fauci say someone who worked in the executive branch could help fight through the bureaucracy. listen. >> i don't know ron klain's emergency response experience. maybe the bush-gore recount qualified in that. >> you need to be somebody who's a good organizer and his experience is extraordinary. he's been chief of staff to a couple of vice presidents. he has a lot of experience. >> now, i noted the president's back on the campaign trail, but he's so toxic unpopular right now, that he is sticking to relatively friendly places like his home state illinois where there's a gubernatorial race. engaging voting himself today, he loves to do that but some of his supporters were not feeling
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the love at another safe place last night. state of maryland, very blue, the president had a rally there. but interesting. he drew over 8,000 people. so it was a large crowd. but once he started talking, people started streaming out. you could see from these photos not quite the magic we saw in previous obama-related campaigns. and in fact today even though the president was in illinois he did not stop in neighboring iowa where there's a very key senate race that will basically determine whether or not his agenda moves forward at all because obviously democrats very much in jeopardy of losing control of the senate. >> ed, as i was listening to the experts, they all seem to be to relates to the political appointment. this guy has no medical experience. and even the "new york times" said about klain that, well, he's the one guy that can bring the message or get the message in line. this is a public health issue. it's not a political issue, or it shouldn't be a political issue. so why not bring in a medical expert here? >> sure. certainly political messaging
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should have no role here. if anyone's talking about messaging, perhaps reassuring the public. that kind of messaging obviously could help. because so far the administration has had a lot of stumbles. they've been well documented, the cdc director and others making statements that turned out to be not true. if they could get somebody who could reassure the president aside from the president coming out every time, that could be a helpful to them. but i think when you have a political operative, somebody who worked behind the scenes in washington, maybe they ought to shake loose money on capitol hill to deal with this crisis. they may know what phone call to make because there are other medical experts like tony fauci who are already in place, sean. >> a lot of those experts have been wrong from the get-go. but we'll have more with that with our medical experts. thank you. let's take a moment to put all this in perspective and really understand just how serious ebola is. now, the world health organization recently warned west african countries could see up to 10,000 new ebola cases a week, within two months alone.
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that number in two months adding to that rate, the death rate, the current outbreak stands at 70%. that's an increase from the previous estimate of 50%. and as of october 17th there have been more than 4,500 deaths reported since the outbreak nearly seven months ago. now, the u.n. official heading the mission for the ebola emergency response is also warning that the world is up against the clock when it comes to beating ebola. or he says disaster looms. watch this. >> ebola got a head start on us. it is far ahead of us, it's running faster than us and it is winning the race. if we do not reach these targets within 60 days, and the numbers spike, many more people will die. we either stop ebola now or we face an entirely unprecedented situation for which we do not have a plan. the penalty for failure is inconceivable and unacceptable. >> and just last week the president announced that up to
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4,000 u.s. troops will be sent to the west african region to help contain this outbreak. but with millions of lives on the line, well, can the u.s. government really be trusted to handle the crisis here at home? remember, this is the same administration that covered up the benghazi terror attack which left four americans dead. they lied about the fast and furious gun running scandal. they targeted conservatives using the irs. they completely botched the obamacare website rollout. by the way, people aren't keeping their plans or their doctors and they're not saving money. and they can't secure our borders. so we turn it over to our panel of medical experts for reaction. guys, good to see you. i'm surprised you're all not in white coats. we have a couple of shrinks here, that worries me as a host being analyzed. very quickly i'm going to go through our crowd here. on a scale of one to ten, how worried should americans be? >> about being infected here in america? >> worried about this really impacting america. >> well, they should be -- ten if we're talking about the world, one if we're talking
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about the united states. >> dr. siegel. >> i would agree ten, maybe two. the main issue is what's happening over there. if it burgeons out of control, it becomes more of a problem here. >> what do you think? >> two in terms of the actual virus causing a problem, but maybe eight or nine in terms of all of these missteps affecting the american public's confidence and safety level. >> doctor? >> i'll say a two in terms of being infected with the virus, but as a psychiatrist and using that lens, i'll say a nine in terms of the way that the psychology can turn back on us in an ugly way. >> erin, you're a nurse practitioner. >> yes. i would say a two as well for the average everyday american. i would say for health care workers more around an eight or nine seeing our government's response to this. >> that's an important point. very good point. now, jean, you're with the national nurses united. you guys have a very strong statement. i would assume for health care workers you're really mad. >> well, we'd be a ten for nurses and other health care workers.
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but once you assure us we're going to get the proper equipment and training, then we should be able to help assure the rest of the american public that they're going to be fine. >> what do you think? >> i think that for just the world i say we should be worried like a scale of 20. here in the united states, one, maybe two. but for as a nurse -- i used to be a nurse in addition to being a lawyer -- >> you had a lot of time in school. >> but as a nurse i think nurses should be very concerned because they're the ones who are going to be on the front line taking care of the messy results that lead to the spread of this disease. >> doctor, what do you think? >> i totally agree that the nurses are going to be -- >> there's a lot of doctors here. i was going to this doctor. we're kind of going north. but that's okay. >> nurses are most on the front line and should be concerned about one or two cases getting in. i think the american people are worried because we are not taking the steps to block this disease from coming into the country. i think that if we did that
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effectively, a lot -- the worry factor would go down considerably. >> are we also worried -- you're sort of jump starting another thought. we've had mixed messages from the government. before i get the rest of your assessments on this, let's take a look at the conflicting messages we keep getting from the government and the cdc director and the president. watch this. >> first and foremost, i want the american people to know that our experts be it the cdc and across our government agree that the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> the bottom line here is that i have no doubt that we will control this importation or this case of ebola so that it does not spread widely in this country. >> because of our health care system and our ability to do the contact tracing and isolation, we won't have an outbreak. >> people should take solace in the fact that quite frankly we know exactly how ebola is transmitted. it's not transmitted through the
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air. it's not transmitted through food or water, but only with close contact with the bodily fluids of an individual that has the symptoms of ebola. >> october 2nd the cdc director said that essentially any hospital in the country can take care of ebola. you don't need a special hospital room to handle it. you just need a private room and private bathroom. that's what we were told just a little over two weeks ago. >> right. that's why i think right now americans should be concerned at about a level of a nine. i think the actual risk of infecting is quite low. but what's happened is we really haven't been given the information that we need to make a proper decision. even physicians like myself haven't felt confident that we've been given information that can help us if an outbreak were to occur. we've really been lucky at this point. >> how would you rate it? >> first of all, it's a ten. because the world is a neighborhood but it's not a brotherhood. everything that happens in one country's going to eventually spread to other countries. so we're not prepared with quarantine patterns. so in 1919 the flu killed as many as war, essentially,
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because the countries and nations did not get together. so you have no world ebola -- conference. you have no presidential leadership. you don't have infectious disease experts coming together. >> you know how many feds we have? eleven. eleven beds. >> sean, we have no national hygiene protocols. you don't have the planes with purell, you don't have the proper kit, which i have for you, the ebola kit. >> a hazmat suit? >> no, not everything. but it will get you started. >> we'll get back to you. >> we don't have immune system preparations. >> you think it's bigger than what everyone else is saying? >> it's always bigger because you're not associating the widespread problem of malaria, infectious disease, co-infection and spread. >> treating ebola is too dangerous for our hospitals and nurses even with those special outfits, personal protective outfits. the fact is that ebola patients should only be treated at those biocontainment units you just mentioned. we have 11 beds in the country, capacity of 11. and 150 people are coming in
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every day from the infected area. 150 -- >> i'm going to get into that in the next segment. doctor? >> i think for the american public the fear should be at a one. in terms of health care workers, it is elevated, but the fear is about ten right now. it's on a richter scale level of ten. unfortunately fear is spreading faster than the virus will ever spread itself. >> let's see. dr. robbi? >> i think in terms of the world it's a ten because viruses can mutate, so if we don't figure out how to treat this problem in africa, then it is going to spread. in terms of here locally it's been called the caregiver's disease. so anybody who's in touch with any bodily fluids is going to be in danger. so the problem is too we don't know if somebody coughs on you if they have ebola you can get it. >> the w.h.o. did raise the incubation period from 21 to 42 days. nigeria just got rid of it through a travel ban and they
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waited 42 days before making the pronouncement. doctor? >> you know, i'm thinking that the leadership you get to see that there's not a decisive leadership and these comments saying all the hospitals are properly prepared was just a narrative to try to calm people down instead makes it worse because everybody knows it's not true. since 9/11 we've been trying to prepare and as time goes by we get lax. and we get lax again. >> what do you think the risk is for us? >> ten. >> world? >> world ten, euro for us. >> doctor? >> i think east right now for us in america it's just one out of ten. if you look at the number of people who are exposed to the ebola patient, very few of them actually got it. just two health care workers. everybody on the plane, the er, nobody got infected. so health care professionals, the ones who are taking care of extremely sick patient, they're at very high risk. but everybody else who gets exposed -- is not.
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>> hang on. we got to take a break. dr. saunders, you believe it could in fact go airborne. hang on. i don't want you to explain it all yet. and you think the risk is far greater. and we'll get into all that and what america should do to solve it. we're going to take a break. we'll come back. should the administration order that travel ban to contain the virus? and will it help in fact do that very thing? we'll check in with our audience as we continue this special edition of "hannity" straight ahead. edition of "hannity" straight ahead. [ high-pitched ] nailed it! [ normal voice ] you're right, that was really easy. i know, i told you so. on, you can compare our progressive direct rates with our competitors' rates, so shopping is easy. you don't sound like flo. [high-pitched] yeah, i do. [ clears throat ] who you talking to? [ normal voice ] what? what's on your hand? noth-- my wedding ring. [chuckles] symbol of our love and understanding. comparing rates for you. now that's progressive. [ high-pitched ] nailed it!
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we won't be able to check them for fever when they arrive. we won't be able as we do currently to take a detailed history to see if they were exposed when they arrive. when they arrive we wouldn't be able to impose quarantine as we now can if they have high risk contact. >> that was the cdc director tom frieden explaining why we should not impose a travel ban from ebola-ravaged countries. not everybody feels that way. fox news contributor charles krauthammer recently had some very strong words about this very issue on special report. take a look. >> we're going to have to have a travel ban. if this patient who arrived off liberia or off the west coast is indeed ebola or if and when the next patient happens, there is no reason why we should still be flying. air france, british air have canceled. the reason able to stop aid going into west africa, that's nonsense. >> dr. krauthammer's not alone. according to an abc news/"the washington post" poll, more than two-thirds of the american people support restricting entry
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into the u.s. for people coming from those affected countries. and a whopping 91% of americans support stricter screening of those passengers entering the united states. we bring back our panel and medical experts on the travel ban issue. how many of you support a travel ban? how many of you do not? why not? >> it's a knee-jerk reaction based upon fear to stop travel into this country. >> 35 countries, great britain, saudi arabia, france, african countries. >> they did this after 9/11. they stopped all flights. the seasonal flu still got in our country. that's not the way to do this. we do not want to sit there and think we're protected and then it enters in our country when we're not looking for it. >> tell me the downside if we put a travel ban in place? >> people go illegally to other countries to get here. they can get into china. they can get into india. they can travel from here. >> they still need a visa. and if we suspend the visas from those three countries -- >> they can't get in. >> yes. we may have one or two people cleverly get in, but it won't be
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150 a day. it's substantially reduces the risk of importing a virus that has never been in this continent. >> dr. sanders, you are at what, purdue? >> correct. >> and you were on the program. we talked about you think that it has the possibility to mutate, or that there might be enough infection within the lungs of somebody that it could be airborne. originally they said you had to come in direct contact with bodily fluids. then they said you could get it within three feet. then they even changed that. >> so the question was addressed by others about airborne transmission. >> uh-huh. >> then a lot of people in the media were saying, no, it can't happen for the following reasons. well, some of those following reasons simply aren't true. and the reasons are contradicted by the research we've conducted with our collaborators. >> how many years have you studied ebola? >> since before 2001. >> you've studied it. >> i've studied it quite a long time. >> do you believe it's possible it could go airborne?
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or is the word aerosol -- >> those are great questions. airborne means something specific when it's used in the scientific context, and it's maybe a little different in the public context. can it be transmitted to the lung in an aerosolized form? the answer is yes. we have no -- >> aerosolized form -- >> but we have no evidence whatsoever that it has been transmitted or that it can currently be transmitted by that route between patients. that's a very important message. >> let me go over here because we have jean ross, you're with the national nurses united. you guys made a statement that you guys felt abandoned, that you felt betrayed, lied to. you made a whole lot of comments about the government, you feel, impacted the ability of nurses to do their job. >> well, i didn't necessarily say the government. but we do feel -- >> who else were you talking about? >> well, actually, the hospitals themselves. they're private. they can do what they want. this is not a new problem for us. it's ebola now, which is life threatening. but whenever there have been issues and we have said we are
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not prepared, we're not well-staffed, we're not protected with the proper equipment, money always comes up every time. >> did you see dr. frieden in the hearings last week? he was in his suit fully covered getting sprayed down with chlorine, and then nurses in presbyterian hospital in dallas, they were forced to put tape around their neck. you can't spray them down with chlorine, can you? why did he have the proper equipment and they didn't? >> that's our question. >> well, i agree. >> we need it. >> so the government did betray the nurses. they did -- >> we have a system in this country now where there is absolutely no way to enforce that hospitals all act the same way and have the same standard. that's what we're asking for. that's why our petition is online. national nurses united, please sign the petition. ask for the proper equipment, the proper staffing so that we can properly protect patients. s a nurse and a lawyer as you are. would you say there's some legal culpability here?
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i understand that amber joy vinson has retained an attorney. is there a culpability of the government that they didn't step up and help these nurses out? i would think so. >> i don't know about it being government. i think that as jean said i think there's some culpability on the issue as it relates to the private hospitals. but the problem here is that these two nurses -- >> wait a minute. the cdc director said all you need is a private room and a private bathroom. thomas eric duncan had horrible explosive diarrhea we're told. >> yeah, that's right. >> the cdc was wrong in what they were telling presbyterian. >> the cdc was acting on the information they had at the time. even the world health organization got it wrong. excuse me -- >> in sierra leone and liberia. >> that's right. the fact is that the cdc knew that the protective guidelines they were offering were inadequate. because when the cdc sends its own personnel to africa to work in the field, they do have the
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complete protective garb. >> medical dishonesty here. you have so many different ways a virus is spread, fever that's undetected, semen that can last 80 days with a virus that some woman could have in her body an not know it. >> not her body. >> my point is -- >> didn't go to medical school. >> no, no, after sexual contact. we're talking about epidemiological dishonesty. you cannot control the spread of this virus through the current methods. what you have to do is regroup over issues. does blue light on airplanes help? does purell help? do masks help? it's called preparation around what we learn and the flu epidemic, malaria and around the whole world we have tremendous experience in infectious disease control that is not being applied by this government effectively. >> well, and you asked the question why not? what harm would it do? because some things i feel bad
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about charging for. if you come in with a question that your aunt could have answered. >> are you saying i need to come in? >> yes, most of the questions you have anybody could help. in any case, when you drill down psychologically, you have to say, well, why wouldn't they reassure the american public if only psychologically that, listen, the travel ban's in place, it may help. right? and the answer is i think that we have to admit that the leadership in washington, and i've taken heat for saying this, is averse to the notion of borders. how do you reinforce the borders when you've never done it with illegal immigrants? >> i don't know. >> you haven't done it to protect us from isis? why would you suddenly mount an incredible immune response to ebola around the world? >> if isis and ebola don't cause us to secure our borders, nothing will. >> no, nothing will. that's the right answer. >> i agree. we've got to take a break. we're going to come back. coming up, the dallas hospital where two of its nurses contracted ebola while tending to a sick patient is now coming under heavy fire. did they do enough to protect their employees? and also later, instead of
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the room without the proper gear with their necks exposed. >> it's outrageous. >> criminal. >> it's outrageous. >> i'm just pissed. >> and now we bring back our audience to get their reaction. i would also add to what he said those morons at the cdc, those morons in the white house that told everybody everything was okay, they set those nurses up in dallas. you agree? that's important. that's not a small factor. they are morons telling they're more worried about people getting angry. >> i agree completely. and i want to add to that by the way people keep talking about let's give them training, let's give them training. i put on a hazmat suit on fox and friends, i'm a little bit of a bumbler as you know. there's no way training can do this for you. when you have ebola in the room, you have a ton of secretions of a very sick person. it takes weeks to really get used to this thing. i was reading the instructions.
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it says take the gloves off first. you know what i did? i took them off last because i was tired. there's no way people new to this are going to be perfect about it. i feel so bad for the nurses who caught it. it's inevitable they would catch it. and the cdc and public health authorities -- >> i think what we have to do is even symbolically by doing a travel ban we may not save anybody. but at least people will see we're interested in them and we're preparing. i know all of the hospitals in the city today people are learning how to put the suits on, doing checklists, equipment and i think finally people see something's being done. i think we should continue. >> was it possible that the head of the cdc, you don't need a private room, just a private room and a bathroom. how is that? i blame them, obama, in the unlikely event it gets into the u.s. it got in. it's here. he said we were prepared if it did get in. wrong. he lied. it was inaccurate. not true. >> i think there are a couple things to consider. there might be some people we want to bring from west africa, like the ebola survivor because
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they can't get ebola again. so they may be the ideal people we want here to help treat the patients. >> that's very different than not being prepared. >> that's true. >> that's very different than false information being given out. >> we should know not to trust the cdc. they're an incompetent bureaucracy like so many in washington. we should be taking matters into our own hands. they have months and months with this epidemic going on in west africa to really prepare the country and to help lock the -- >> you just said we shouldn't believe the cdc. don't you think that most americans when their president and the head of the cdc comes forward with a proclamation that in the likely event it comes here we're prepared. don't you think they're likely to believe them? the nurses are likely to believe them? >> unfortunately, yes. but we shouldn't. they've proven that. >> political order, these doctors. >> i was watching anthony fauci this weekend. i felt he was a political hack. >> they are politically on puppet strings. what you need here is a national plan that we know from the history of infection, of quarantine, hygiene control,
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treatments to develop vaccines and preparation and a study of the american immune system. let me talk about the -- psychology of this. >> maybe apropos you are sort of surrounded here by -- >> we're analyzing you as you speak. >> bravo, bravo. >> better him than me. from a psychological standpoint if i'm amber joy vinson or if i'm nina pham right now, i'm reading what the world health organization says 70% chance i'm not going to make it. >> right. >> no, it's very disturbing. that's why a lot of the american public doesn't believe in our government. they don't trust what's being said. and that's why certain behaviors need to take place right now. travel restriction just to even communicate, hey, we care. we're really looking to protect the american people. and maybe have certain hospitals in the country that are designated to specialize in this. >> we have eleven -- what are
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those units? eleven beds. >> we have four biocontainment hospitals in the united states, in nebraska and maryland -- pardon me? georgia and montana. right. >> is that enough? >> no. >> all totalled they can only handle eleven patients at a time. we have 150 people entering the country from the affected region every day. so we should have a travel ban at least until we can improve our hospitals. >> let me eask you, if we had the potential -- we've had influenza epidemics what, 700,000 people die? just in america alone? >> right. >> and worldwide millions? >> millions. >> could it happen again? >> in terms of ebola, we have the best health care system the world has ever known. we have to trust in that. there were lapses in errors, but we can't let it drain us like quicksand. we have to understand we did a mid course correction there is a
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new czar in place. >> couldn't this overwhelm -- if thomas eric duncan. he's not. he is a mini czar. he reports to susan rice who goes on sunday talk shows and lied to us. >> think of amber vinson. wonderful girl. she did the right thing. she called the cdc. i have a low grade temperature, 99.5, can i get on a plane? i don't want to put people at risk. and the cdc says okay. this is all the result of one guy. >> right. >> now you got to get in touch with all 133 people and in touch with all the people they got in contact with and so on -- i feel like a commercial. and so on. right? >> well, that was a lapse. at this point we're doing a mid-course correction. we have to support the efforts being made. this is what we need to do. we need to get all hands on deck. >> do you feel confident a political hack could do that? >> i believe we need a leader capable of dealing with the pentagon, centers for disease control and prevention -- >> how about a world renowned doctor? >> it's possible. but physicians are meant to diagnosis and treat patients. we do not know how to run things
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in washington. >> the world renowned doctor that has public health experice or maybe combined with the military guy that can organize things. not a political hack. >> time will tell, but we need somebody who's had experience with that. we don't know anybody at this time who could do it. >> you know, sometimes you have to look at things for their psychology, as i tend to do. and what's happening here is a profound disregard for people making their own decisions. so all the information's being managed in a way that you would try to allay the fears of children. because the administration considers us all children. >> we're all a bunch of babies. >> don't let them get upset. don't give them all the facts. that's where they're stumbling because they're unwilling to let you, me or mrs. smith in idaho make her own decision. >> isn't it one of the things i would assume as a psychiatrist that you -- one of the great breakthroughs in the treatment of something, isn't it to get them to see the truth, maybe about themselves? >> that's everything.
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that's everything. but if you're in the business of managing people and as a collective you don't want anybody making independent decision. it's a threat to the organized plan. >> if you're going to give us information, it better be right. they didn't give us correct information. and two nurses, two human beings got infected because they screwed up. true or false? >> true. but i would say something else here as far as independent decision. and with all due respect, doctor, we don't have the best health care system in the world. we don't have a health care system. >> it's getting worse. >> we don't have a system. >> i disagree. i think we do have the best health care system that the world has ever known. >> by every gauge if you will look we are below some third world countries even. by every gauge. in mortalities. >> the people that come to our country -- >> going on from that, when you make independent -- when you make independent decisions, i'm talking about each hospital making an independent decision. >> all right, if i get sick, i'm going to reconvene this entire
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panel and i'll have the best medical care. i have to take a break. coming up next here on "hannity". >> one of your colleagues seemed to hint that if you guys had been funded, had more money, you'd have a vaccine today. was that hyperbole? >> i don't agree with that i have to tell you quite honestly. >> democrats have been trying their hardest to blame republicans for ebola in america. we're going to debunk that lie. straight ahead, that's next. and later we'll turn over and ask our experts, you can ask the many questions you want go to twitter and facebook. we have your questions coming up straight ahead. facebook. we have youououououou so, your site gave me this "credit report card" thing. can i get my experian credit report... like, the one the bank sees. sheesh, i feel like i'm being interrogated over here. she's onto us. dump her. (phone ringing) ...hello? oh, man. that never gets old. no it does not. not all credit report sites are equal. members get personalized help and an experian credit report. join now at with enrollment in experian credit tracker sm.
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from 2013 to 2014 the cdc budget wasn't cut, it actually increased almost 10%. and that's not t all. the 2014 cdc budget as requested by president obama was $6.59 billion, however the actual budget for the cdc enacted by those evil rascally budget cutting house republicans was actually $6.85 billion, which is nearly $300 million more than obama wanted. even one of the national institutes for health's top officials, he's not buying the democratic smear campaign. take a look. >> one of your colleagues seemed to hint that if you guys had been funded, had more money, you'd have a vaccine today. was that hyperbole? >> i don't agree with that. i have to tell you quite honestly i think the nih has had constraints in resources for ten years and all of biomedical research has been less than robust activity. >> but you don't believe we
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would have a -- >> i don't think you can say we would have this or that. everything is slowed down, but i wouldn't make that statement. >> here with reaction, erin, do you believe we're going to have some type of vaccine for ebola at some point? >> you know, we may. there are certain vaccines that are being tested right now. they're actually expediting human trials. so it does look promising. i believe they started some in mali for example among health care workers there. any time you are administering a vaccine like this on a large scale however it's going to take a long time to ramp up, a long time to, for example, to implement it on a wide scale. >> so we should talk about prevention and protect health care workers in the meantime. >> definitely. >> i think we have to look at as well the bigger picture, we have an epidemic going on in africa at the moment. the countries that are affected need effective tools to deal with the problem so we contain it. once we're in the united states, we have to put together a plan that deals with first when the person comes in, how to make assessments. we're really using a kind of primitive tool to see whether or not a temperature, someone has a raised fever, whether or not that's a problem.
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>> 14% never have an increased temperature. >> you can't rely on that as a step. >> you can't rely on body aches. >> but what we need to do though is have a plan that really looks at the idea of containment, we need to develop if we have units in the united states. one of the problems at the hospital in dallas is people don't want to go to the hospital anymore. if this infection spreads to other hospitals, the big risk is that people won't want to go to those hospitals and they may otherwise -- so we need to develop actual containment units separate from the hospital itself so that individuals can go in, the actual material that's been contaminated can be disposed of properly. there can be ways to distribute those materials through actual, you know, facilities that prevent contamination. so i think one of the first steps we need to do is to create a system that will reduce the fear that people have. >> doctor, we can't control staph in a lot of america's hospitals, is that true? >> that's true.
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>> it's widespread, isn't it? >> right. >> and if we can't control staph, how are we going to control something else? >> right. but at the same time we have to focus on success stories. emory took care of two sick people -- >> i'm all for the successful stories. as long as the unsuccessful story is not me. >> she's making the right point though. >> we have to look for guidance in the right direction. people who have actually taken care of these patients have done a very good job there, no other health care professionals have got infected. i think they have to guide us more. >> that's right. and the biocontainment units have treated successfully ebola patients without infecting any nurses or other health care workers. and that's why all ebola patients -- >> should be in containment. >> should be in those four biocontainment units. >> coming up, you've been sending us your questions about ebola in america all day on facebook and twitter. at sean hannity on twitter. coming up next, they're going to answer your questions straight ahead.
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contracted by coming into contact with someone, something an infected person touched? yes, no. >> yes, yes, yes. sandy, the answer is yes. okay. unlikely but yes? okay. fair enough. question number two for maureen davis beaschler. why did hospital personnel contract ebola when duncan's family was in the house for days and didn't catch it? yes, you can take that. go ahead. >> the reason being you don't get infected when a patient is piledly symptomatic. >> they have to be settlemeympt. >> right. that happens late in the disease, not early in the disease. >> very well said. thank you, doctor. fay adams writes us if you're lucky enough to survive ebola, does it affect your life long-term and how? great question. yes, doctor? >> immune to ebola once you have gotten ebola.
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>> you believe you can recover full health? >> you recover full health. >> that's not exactly true. every infection, whether it's lyme disease, flu, people have secondary brain trauma for having immune system problems. >> so there can be residual? >> you'll have potential memory problems, et cetera. >> problems with the heart, lungs and the nervous symptom. >> mostly full recovery? >> i think there is levels of inflammation that can affect us molecularly over the lifetime. but i don't think this ebola is going to take years off of it. it may take some time off of it. we should be glad we survived an extra day. >> what criteria is used to determine if a disease is airborne. how is that different from what nonmedical might call airborne? i'm going to you. >> very good. when you're talking about airborne in terms of a viral disease, it's persisting in the air even when the person is no longer present. >> but aerosolized means if we go to when they are full-blown
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ebola, all right, then it could be aerosolized. if somebody has that full-blown ebola and they're in my face, what are the odds i'm going to get it? >> you can get it if you don't cover your face. >> that's airborne in a way? not the same -- >> so airborne and droplet means different for doctors. but for layperson, yes. it can be transmitted through air. but airborne is actually a different term. yes. >> last question. this comes from kim whitehead. great question. why is our military not be provided the mandated hazmat wear while they're in liberia? this is a national disgrace whom. agrees? anybody disagree? you disagree? >> i don't say i disagree. i actually am not familiar with what they're being provided with. >> they're hanging out with liberian, building tents, and we don't know if they had contact with people with ebola. >> and in addition they're in jungle areas as they're building the tents which means they're in an area with bats and bat feces which means they're not 100%
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safe. >> if they're not 100% safe they have no business being if there. >> fighting ebola in africa 100% without anyone ever getting sick. they're heroes and let's hope we continue that. >> they are heroes. >> absolutely. >> all right. lots more coming up right after this quick break. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything? unh-uh. number 44... whoooo! forty-four, that's me! get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts...
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