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juan williams got a private meeting with the president. the obama care mess isn't about obama care at all it's about the united states being a bunch of jerks. he says the recession has made americans less caring of others. we see the needy becoming seedy. and that makes us hate obama care more. apparently this writer has never
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been to a church but he failed to see the dependency that hurts the needy most as government expands and opportun dwindles. only the moron would think a solution to the welfare state is more welfare. we're still the most generous country ever. now thanks to obama care the ruse that government impacts -- our government is lessen forcing its favorite solution, more government one choice. fact is nothing good ever comes from coercion or you wouldn't need coercion and that includes charity, especially when those in charge are more charitable to themselves than to others. i didn't sneeze at all. hey, juan, are you there? >> i'm right here. i'm glad you're feeling better. >> actually i feel terrible. but when i see you my soul brightens up. you got an invite from the white
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house asking to see you last night. how long did you wait to respond? did you play hard to get? >> you know, me, i didn't even want to go over. unless they are serving good food, i want to find out if he watches the fox, right? >> does he watch "the five." >> let's not stir the pot. you're lucky you're a fox guy getting in here. >> they told you that? >> no, no. i tell you this, eric, they miss bob. everybody said where's bob? >> we talked and juan will be on tonight and one of the things, all the things he can talk about and things he can't. is there things you can't talk about and why? >> oh, because it was a background meeting so i can't directly talk about what the president, you know, quote said, but i can tell you what other people in the meeting said. i had talks with other senior officials there so i can give you a sense of what's going on
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in a way that obviously wouldn't be possible if you didn't get to talk with the big man. >> when you talk to president jerrett did you find anything new about the health care bill and how it will unravel. >> it was interesting. i was thinking about all the pressure and criticism coming these guys might be ready to fold. what you see these guys are ready fight. they have a sense that right now they have to rally their troops because the poll numbers have been bad for obama and right now they are going to try to say to the democrats and independents we got a good product, this will work, we're not backing off. >> juan, this is andrea. do you have a sense that they knew they screwed this up beg time. >> yeah. >> they acknowledged they screwed this up. did they weigh in on the employer mandate. that new study was released showing 50 to 100 million people are set throes their health insurance next year. did they weigh on that, any concerns about what they will do
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or how they will handle it? >> their concern right now is with people who are getting cancellation letters. their worry is there are people there who can't afford the bronze plan, people who don't qualify for medicaid because they make a little too much. at the same time there are poor people and they may not qualify for the pronz plan. what i'm hearing two-thirds of the people who get these cancellation notices they will actually be offered plans that are better and going to get subsidies from the government. another third will have to pay more, younger, healthier people. then that smaller group that has people who are poor but not poor enough to qualify for medicare is the one that really concerns them. >> juan, this is bob. by the way, the aei is a right-wing think tank, about the last place i would go for any definitive numbers. leaving that aside, did they say anything about the legislation
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that the republicans passed in the house? >> no. i mean, look, this is very interesting, bob. basically the attitude was look the republicans don't want to work with us. they are totally opposed to anything. and they are delighting in our trouble. but the fact is they think once the market gets stabilized, once everything is in place, once the insurance companies figure out how they are working with the new marketplace they think the republicans are after 2014 election may come around yeah we have some things to fix and now we're willing to work with you. they have to fix the website. they got to make sure they have a solid marketplace that people are attracted to and have a sustainable pool of people in the marketplace. >> republicans helping them. that's a cold day in hell, brother. >> there you go. >> the president said he would veto it. what more can the republicans do at this point?
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>> take this one step further this analogy. i was on the trading floor when enron went down. i was there when enron thought oil prices would go down they went up. they blew out. i was there because i knew when to cut loss. it strikes me president obama cannot figure out that this is a loss, it's time to cut and run even if he wants to continue this law, start over. the american million won't kill him. it's better for him. there's none of that. they are forging ahead no matter what. >> i don't think the white house feels that anything is about cut and run at this point. they feel that look like even if you were to just say stop right now, that if you point to various aspects of the affordable care act, the discount for seniors for discount drugs, kids stay on until 26, they say this law has
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accomplished a lot but doesn't get any attention because of the failure of the website and they know that's the problem so what they are thinking if they can grind it out to use their language grind it out and get over the next six to eight weeks, then they can come out and say here's what's working, here's how we want to attract more people into this marketplace. you know what those republicans they don't have any alternative except sending you back to the existing status quo health care plan and they say most americans will say not a great deal. >> any money people back there? any people who can do the math? the real problem is for the obama administration is after the website is fix when they realize people aren't signing up. the deductibles are the high. someone has to step up and say we -- >> let him ask his question. >> you know, their attitude is there's a huge pool, 40 plus
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million people who are uninsured in addition to people who have inadequate insurance. those people are looking for something. they just have to have a website that's welcoming, they have to have people that make them aware that they got a good product here. once they do they believe they can market. it's a very interesting point. they say they know how to drive the people into that market. they are confident that they can go out much in the way they went out in the election with one vote. >> this is a campaign. the audacity of hope surely cannot be their strategy at this point. is that really what they are thinking? three weeks ago when they decided to blame the insurers now they realize their fate is tied in with the insurers. what are they telling them they want the insurers to do to get through this. >> it's interesting. that's the point. they had the insurers in, some of the insurance commissioners in yesterday, they had insurance executives in. what they are saying to them hey you know what you made a bet there's going to be a pool of
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people who are healthy and young as well as those who are older and ill and we got make this work. we're in this together. you made a bet and we'll help with you this bet. you'll have these kind of sustainable corridors. >> public kel fair? bail out for insurance zmoes >> they don't think of it welfare. >> they indicate risk corridor. >> what they are going to try to do is get them to work with the administration to make it possible so that they don't have to raise premium. they are mad at the insurance companies right now with the cancellation letters. they think they could have called those things renewals or change plans. once they put out cancellation it damaged the obama effort. >> the government assign a private company what they should use in their marketing material? >> it's not marketing material because it was all about the change. the fact that they lost the change in the individual market for insurance anyway. every six months most folks get
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a new policy. i think the white house was politically blind sided on this. they didn't know what was coming. they should have anticipated. they fail. they are saying to the insurance companies you guys really didn't help us. >> it sounds like the white house is pretty full of themselves. it's bordering on obtuse at this point. the american people will be gullible enough to understand it's a renewal not a cancellation. did they talk also about how they will get these young healthy people to sign up. millions of ad dollars, hollywood celebrity, how much more will this cost to increase enrollment. there's a big price tag to get these young healthy people? >> i don't know. a lot of that was already in place. they had people going out. they had all these things lined up. but what the problems with the website, you can't do anything. you can't sell that, right? so they have already made those
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plans and i think they will redouble them. as i say they want six to eight weeks to make everything at least to the point where it works. the average person can get on the marketplace and then they are going to go full board and rebranding and reintroducing. >> if this website worked properly and women understood they could get subsidy, 5 million people without insurance policies supposedly on january 1 are a small percentage that won't be covered. they will find out they have government subsidy, have better plans than they had and have insurance. >> yeah, you know what, bob? the point from the white house today, this is the beginning of trying to say to people in the press or people like me, don't think we're in the gray, we're coming back. we're fighting back. their point is people will quickly realize there is a good product and then, you know, that's where the rubber meets the road. that's where the real test is for this. >> how do they feel about
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breaking the promise of $2,500 reduction in premiums. do they think they have any responsibility for the costs going up? >> that's a good point, dana. one of the things that was said they are saying to the insurance companies we're in this together you guys need to take the long term view don't sweep up every penny off the ground right now. >> don't make a profit. >> this is a five, ten year plan. >> the insurance companies? >> profit margins are very slim. >> profit margins are regulated. >> blame the government for that. blame the government. you make the accusation -- >> why is the stock price going up? >> they are going up because the fed keeps pumping money into the stock market that's why they are going up. has nothing to do with obama care. >> then you should buy it. >> these deductibles. i'm looking at some of the
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deductibles for the bronze plan. families 12,700 out of their pocket up front. in michigan, in california. in california $5,000 per person. per family member. >> come on. >> list jernen, i'm not making stuff up. this is before government subsidy. >> so what you get from the white house, eric, is a sense that look, these people who right now are eligible for medicaid are obviously going get in the market and get more people covered that way. then you'll get people covered who are going discover that the current plan they have doesn't cover things like preventative care, well care, check up, mammograms for ladies and all that kind of stuff and people are going to also qualify for subsidies who may not realize they qualify. they believe for most people and you heard this before, it's going to cost them just about as
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much as their cell phone plan. in terms of deductibles all that happens once you're in emergency or medical care. it doesn't -- it doesn't touch on the preventative stumbgs all the reductions in terms of prescription drugs and the like. that's the white house line. >> we got to go. i'm excited because i can get mammograms and a sex change. is your neighbor an al qaeda terrorist? dozens of jihadists may be living in the united states as refugees. the video and details ahead. plus more knock out games attack have been reported overnight. teenage thugs assaulting strangers for fun when "the five" returns. ♪
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♪ well welcome back. watch this. >> didn't have any enemies or any reason to believe that they would be looking or do anything to me. they shoved something into my
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thigh. i wasn't sure what it was. hit some force to it. i wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun. >> yesterday we told you about something called the knock out game where thugs are targeting innocent and unsuspecting by standers. they pick a target and try to knock them out with a single punch. three more in philadelphia are reported and more attacks inago lansing, michigan an ugly game played by cowards. i suggested it may not be only black on white crime. bob, do you think race is at the root of what's going on? >> i don't know the answer to this. i assume that everybody that has been caught on camera doing this has been a minority. but my question is, they caught them on camera. how many of these people have been arrested a. and b, are they entertaining the notion of hate crimes which they
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should if it's black on white crime. >> in new york state a lawmaker in upstate new york is looking to make it a gang crime which carries up to 25 year sentence for it. maybe something like that would help. >> if you look at it, there are no black victims from what i can tell on that. definitely is racially motivated and the question is, the cowardice of the media and black leaders who comment on anything but black on black violence or black on white violence. two people have agreed this san issue. charles barkley and thomas soul who you couldn't find two more different people on the planet agree that something like this, the violence that's going on these days is a problem and whatever drives the violence, i don't know what is it, if it's resentment, who knows -- i don't know why you have to change the description of crime to make it more punishable. i don't like hate crime. call it crime. throw away the key.
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>> if you hit somebody on the street you'll get a lower penalty. >> which makes no sense to me. >> technically it's assault rather than a gang crime. actually if i go and punch a black man i would get punished less if i punched a white man? wait. do i have that backwards. so if i punch ad black person, it's a hate crime but if a black person punches a black person it's not. does that make any sense. >> that's not a hate crime. >> how do they know -- what if i love somebody and i hit them because i love them. >> that's worse. >> that's why they stay away from it because it's tougher to prove. make at any time crime. they should make an example out of these kids and send a message they won't tolerate it. the media ignores it. great journalism has a piece out abc, cbs, nbc all stay away from the story. now, again, if this were a group of white kids beating up
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minorities this would be leading the major news network. but african-american leaders aren't weighing in. news media not covering this. this is a serious issue. a lot of people are very scared. they are emailing be careful in new york. do sboeg it. they should be prosecuted with the full force of the law. >> we touched on it a little bit is more media attention of it going to make it happen more often? so, i think cbs news had a report on it two nights ago. we did something. we did it a lot. all over the drunch report and then increased incidents overnight and on both coast, on the east and west coast. >> you think that's related? >> i don't know if more attention -- >> in certain areas they tell, the police will tell media not to report on teenage suicides because teenage suicides make teenagers think about suicides. >> until the punishment. >> yeah. >> i will tell you this morning
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on the way to school, dropping my son off and i said have you seen this knockout. he didn't hear about it. i said what should you do about it. he said if it's a tough punishment people won't do it any more. >> if that was the headline these kids got caught, they are in prison. >> you know what else deter, the people you punch have a gun. >> thank you. that guy fought off these guys with a gun. >> be nice to report they picked some of these guys up and punish them severely. why don't the police and prosecutors go out and do it. have we talked to any of these police department. >> we talked to the nypd and they said it's not a trend in new york. >> if you talk to the chicago police they will tell you off the record as well they have a hard time going after these civil teens because civil rights raise hell and threaten them with lawsuits. that's why chicago police are
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afraid to do their jobs. they have flash mobs. these gang mobs are destroying property and businesses in the windy city and cops are scared. they don't want to be sued. >> can we do this very quickly? very quickly, in kentucky, the fbi found pictures, they have been following al qaeda members, terrorist members that were released in to society, i think by accident. your thought? >> first of all, you got to congratulations to the reporter for uncovering this thing. it goes to the point what if your neighbor is a terrorist. what goes through your head? what goes through your head is the potential for embarrassment and being called a racist for racially profiling and doing anything and that's the window that allows refugees to come in and do what they can because people are scared of actually reporting anything. >> your thoughts? >> all the more reason to have a strong and robust nsa program that can provide information to local officials. so they can prevent terrorism.
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>> there you go. >> i don't know how it happens. how do these people get in. that seems to me where you have to go after. >> they said there maybe several hundred. >> i know. the question is how do they get in here? >> they can come right over the border. that's why when they race these immigration bills through why don't they look at the current system. these guys were in public housing on public assistance. it's embarrassing. they probably could get obama care. >> democrats have now recruited pro sports to push their climate change bs. is anybody else tired of all the politics creeping into our football and baseball. liberals favorite sport soccer. and ron burgundy with an ode to the crack smoking mayor.
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we all know about the separation of church and state but is it time power to the separation of sports and politics? new reports out of d.c. show democratic politicians are recruiting pro sports leagues to promote climate change awareness. from gun control to the name redskins to bob costas to president obama the line between sports and politics is becoming too blurred. >> our current gun culture ensures that more and more domestic disputes will end in the ultimate tragedy.
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and that more convenient store confrontations of loud noise coming from a car will have more teenagers dead. >> if i had a team and it had a storied history that offended a sizable group of people i would think about changing it. >> as a sports fan i would personally like to watch the games without the politic, thank you. so, bob, we see politics enter the sports arena from gun drol the president weighing in saying if he had a son he wouldn't want him to play football. now climate change. i know you believe in climate change. should it be kept out of sports? >> no. it's not exactly an analogy but when you use sports teams which you should to promote breast cancer awareness week, i happen to think climate change is ravaging this country and anyway
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you can get it out, get it out. >> i don't think they should do the breast cancer awareness stuff. they should keep it sports. >> sports sports. if i were a republican i would run on this. obama care and they are using our sports teams to promote climate change. breast cancer is proven, bob. >> so is climate change. >> it's not. you are cranky tonight. >> no. i happen to believe -- you don't believe it. i believe it's the single most potentially great threat to this country. >> do you know anyone in this country that doesn't believe there's a thing called breast cancer? >> no. >> would you say there's a good percentage of the population who disagrees with the climate change? >> no. >> the ravens were paid $130,000 to promote obama care. i want seems like more and more sports is just a political forum. >> money well spent. way to go, government.
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at least with breast cancer there is a tangible and direct benefit that helps everybody, every family. and that part of it is awareness and it's raising money for fundraising. so awareness especially to tell your mom, cousin, grandma to get it checked because early detection is the most important thing. if you're going pull the sports teams together there's a thousand other things to have them do that would have a direct benefit like obesity. hunger. education. veterans with ptsd with traumatic brain injuries. and long term unemployed. this is coming from big money, gurus that got to feed their furngs funds, they are trying to figure out how to push their agenda. >> what about autism awareness? why breast cancer over autism. i thought about the one instance
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when the government got involved in sports with civil rights. that made sense, agree with that so black players could play. but now it's becoming what dana says about money. these guys have enough to worry about. >> it's not politics, it's liberal politics. on the left, bob, sorry i have to say the left, politics has been defined as personal. which means it is designed to expand and intrude in all parts of life where as conservatism stays out of your life, you're free to do whatever you want. as a liberal you believe it must intrude and can only survive by piggybacking on the achievement of others because left doesn't make anything but bad art. so, therefore, they rely on this excess of others to push their message because they are incompetent. not you, bob, you're competent. should a wall be placed between politics and sports. there should be a wall between
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politics and everything. every where politics invades it poisons and corrupts except for talk shows. >> don't like the pressure it puts on the players, the nfl if they don't do it they look bad. then they are against breast cancer. i think it's too much. >> another lawmaker asked for forgiveness ever being caught buying drugs but stopped short of stepping down. should u.s. congressman trey radel be allowed to keep his job. house speaker john boehner was asked about it. we'll tell you what he said about it up next.
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vo: it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. so another day another politician with a major scandal threatening to end his career. this time it's trey radel.
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he pleaded guilty yesterday to buying cocaine and entered a program today for substance abuse. he addressed the problem last night. >> i won't sit here and make excuses for what identify done. i've let down our country. i've let down our constituents. i've let down my family. i'll take a leave of absence, taking responsibility that i need to own town what in need to do, get well and come out of this as a better man. i'm struggling with this disease but i can overcome it. >> the congressman will take a leave of absence opinion should he step down? let's listen to speaker boehner. >> i believe members of congress should be held to the highest ethical standard. i think at this point mr. radel, the issue is between he and his family and his constituents. >> eric, do you think that he should go ahead and resign or go through the treatment and see
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how it goes? >> two years ago i would have said resign and as i've said on here recently, as i'm getting more into this libertarian thing we've lost the war on drugs. he has to deal with his treatment. if he can function properly he should step aside and let somebody else be an interim congressman. as far as what he's doing with his family john boehner i agree with him >> he said he's an addict. how do you make a distinction or do we not about casual drug use and somebody who is an addict who might not be able to perform their duties in the job they were elected for. >> i believe if it has an impact on your professional life, and if it has an impact on your personal life. other than that who cares. he says he's let people down. you've only let people down if you were hard on people who also used recreational drugs. he called the war on drugs naive
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but wanted to reform the mandatory minimum. he was for the bill for drug testing of food stamp recipients. he should be tested because he's a beneficiary of our money. everybody has an addiction. everybody gets a chance. life shouldn't be ruined because you're trying to find some relief. he overpaid. >> do you think he should resign? >> do i. i would think, look if he's the manager of the local blockbuster video terrific. lawmakers can't be law breakers. where do we draw the line. as long as coke possession is a felony he should do the right thing and step down. if he doesn't do it it should be left up to his constituents. at some point where do we say okay that's enough. they make the laws.
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they can't just break them and then keep their job. >> the amount he had wasn't a felony, if i'm not mistaken. i believe it was -- >> bob, when you watched him because you can have a sense of these things do you think that this is a shakeable moment for him, the public humiliation and heading in to rehab might work for him? >> i think so. it's a long shot. i don't think he ought to be forced to resign. there's no rule in the house that says he has to . the history of the house of representatives and senate are ripe with people from grover mills who got drunk in public and jumped into the tidal basin with fancy fox and teddy kennedy who got picked up from drunk driving and let off. he's been buying this stuff on a regular basis. anybody who suggests themselves to that part of town in washington who believes they will not know why they are there, is somebody who is taking big risks and big risks are taken by addicts.
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he has a drinking problem let's give him a chance to see fit works. i think the chances as with most people getting you straight are probably one in five. >> look how numb we are. there's a history of inappropriate behavior. don't they have the duty to even avoid the appearance of impropriety. >> the difference is i believe, this is a disease. so a lot of people have diseases. you don't want to throw them out because they have a disease. >> congressman radel says he believes in faith, family and redemption. the fight to free an 85-year-old american who has been held in north korea for many weeks. bob has the details on that when we return. ♪ i want to be that girl with your guy ♪ ♪ make you cry
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yeah. american hero being held overseas and needs our help. north korea has again been detaining 85-year-old korean war vet merrill newman. he was about to go home on october 26th when the koreans
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boarded his plane and took him off. nobody kblnows why. there have been a number of korean war veterans to look at places where they fought. is there something about this that, this guy we should look at dirtily? -- differently? >> i don't know. here's the deal. he signed up with the chinese tour company. went into north korea. you have to know there's going risks. part of the signing off process is hey we're not sure we can get you out once we go in, right. there has to be a risk. he took the risk. it's terrible. he's a war veteran. we should do everything diplomatically to get him back. >> how much of that do you think, andrea, the state department ought to say to people don't go. i don't care what this tour is or how they put it together, what they tell you, you
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shouldn't be there. >> that's a great point. we should say stop going to these places and if you do go then that risk is on you because now our security has been put in jeopardy, we have to do diplomatic moves to get him back. i want puts us in jeopardy. it's like the iranian hikers. if you go hike can you do it in upstate new york. do you have to go to the border of iran? you wonder what are they thinking? >> there has been a lot of people who have been detained in north korea who are missionaries, which there should be no borders as far as they're concerned. they detain those people, as well. >> two weeks ago, they did a public execution of 85 people, many of whom had been watching western movies or had possession of a bible. it is a despicable regime. it's filled with innocent people who are being manipulated by a
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maniac. and here is a question. where is dennis rodman? this is why you don't have d-list celebrities go over to crazy regimes like that and try to do diplomacy. because now he's totally screwed things up for the state department. >> speaking of screwed up countries, in iran there is now -- it's been years since he's been kept by iranians. he's still not getting the med se sin needs. apparently hundreds of thousands of people are contact the -- or tweeting in to iran.apparently s of people are contact the -- or tweeting in to iran. does it have any hope of going anything? >> ultimately all these people become are political chips that they use to bargain for whatever they can get.
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in this case it will have to do with sanctions i imagine. the north korea thing about rod ma rodman, he launched his vodka. i hope he drowns in his vodka. he's such an ass. but do you know why the guy got arrested in north korea? because the officers are going why would you come here. we want to leave and you're here. you must be a spy. who else would want to come to this hell hole. >> the iranians as typical of so many muslim country, although they consider themselves not necessarily a muslim country, but nonetheless the fact of the matter is they have been taking pastors of all things, people who want to spread the word of god in their faith, and you continue to do wilthis. and we tip to protect the. >> mike: him faimuslim faith of country. which we should do. why don't you give him a break and let him go. you're punks and cowards and afraid of hearing the word.
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time for one more thing. i'll start it off. a weather presenter in france said if the france qualified for the world country in soccer, she would run naked for everyone to see. and she did. this is her running naked
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through a field. >> that really happened? >> that is her. and i love the fact that they're showing the weather while she's running. that's how they do the weather in france. >> can did she really run naked? >> yes, she did. she's carrying a black door. >> oh, i see. >> they can't tell us that. andrea. >> on companan last night, will ferrell continued to promote anchorman 2. look at this. ♪ everybody working for the weekend ♪ ♪ everybody wants a new
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romance ♪ ♪ everybody going off the deep end ♪ don't do anything stupid, rob. >> very funny. >> well, i don't have any music for this because joshua couldn't find opera music. but this is a great idea. in australia, there was some folks at a mcdonald's getting irritated because all these people were annoying everybody. so they started playing opera and guess what, no more loitering. everybody went away. isn't that a good idea? >> not really if you're mcdonald's. an interesting point. thank you for that. bob. >> on a little more serious note, afghan anies and united states have been trying to get an agreement what the united states responsibility will be in afghanistan after 2014.have bee agreement what the united states responsibility will be in afghanistan after 2014.
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of course mr. cakarzai will tur it over to the chief warlords if their approval. at some point, you people out to just say thank you. we're tired of being told what to to by a bunch of to just say thank you. we're tired of being told what to to by a bunch of warlords. >> that guy has probably become a billionaire off our -- >> sure. >>do by a bunch of warlords. >> that guy has probably become a billionaire off our -- >> sure. >> these are the nontamnontalib warlo warlords. >> take one minute to say congratulations to my son, eric. check it out. >> i can't believe this. >> chemistry a, geometry a, u.s. history a, english a, we'll work on the spanspanish.
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but great job. hard work and great job to the local high school. public school by the way. >> if he ever does anything bad, are you going to do that in one who are thing? >> no, if he does anything bad, will you run naked through the streets? >> please don't. . embattled democrats go nuclear. republicans charge it's an effort to change the subject from obama care to blowing up tradition in the senate. this is special report. good evening, i'm bret bear owing oig. timing is everything. today the president is caught in a whirlpool p criticism over his signature health plan. ace his allies threw him a political life preserver. charles krauthammer is in new york reacting to what is called the nuclearp


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