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. this is geraldo rivera, reporting live on the crime of the century, the murder of our reporting live on the crime of the century, the murder of our 35th president. >> do something. as the 50th anniversary of the assassination approach, movies, documentaries fuel the skeptics. >> the records do document the cia's extensive search we also
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documented the extensive search if they were linked to organized crime. they provide a hint in that direction. firing at the president. you can see clearly the head is thrown violently backwards. consistent with shots in the front. >> the single bullet theory is complete fantasy. the reason is the horizontal trajectory can't line up. it's thoroughly impossible. >> the round that lee harvey was using does not fit in that hole. it's an impossibility. if you look at the 5.5 six millimeter it's designed to explode upon impact, that was in
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the secret service weapon, it fits perfectly. >> some still believe our government did it. >> their perception out of way. the telephones didn't work to keep the wrong stories from spreading. nothing was left to chance. he could in and out be allowed to escape alive. >> others believe it was the mafia. >> it's undeniable that the mafia. the dallas mafia. they had enough that kennedy was trying to put them out of business and they were going to put him out of business. >> or was it castro's cuba with his ax to grind. >> must take an ever closer and more realistic look at the menace of external intervention and domination in cuba. the american people are not
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complacent about iron curtain tanks and flames less than 90 miles from their shore. >> here is the president of the united states. >> tonight a live special, the jfk assassination. conspiracy or simple act of murder? >> counsel if you would please stand. mr. nelson if he would reed the verdict. >> verdict. we the jury find the defendant lee harvey oswald. >> because lee harvey oswald was killed by jack ruby before he could be tried before the murder, deep skepticism persists about the official version of history. the best effort to put this mystery to rest is in this
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impressive, more than 1600 page book reclaiming history by the author of helter skelter, the man who convicted charles manson joins us. vince, welcome to the program. why don't 59% of the american people believe oswald and oswald alone killed kennedy? >> the propaganda minister of hitler's third right, which i'm not comparing them with, but he said if you push something at someone long enough eventually they will start buying it if they're not exposed to any contrary view. it finally hit pay dirt, penetrated their consciousness and kwiconvinced the majority t
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he was some patsy framed by an elaborate group of co-c co-conspirato co-conspirators, the mob. it's all nonsense. tonight in the limited time we have why i feel oswald is guilty and no conspiracy. >> have at it. tell us why. >> in my book i said for 53 separate examples why i feel oswald is guilty. under those circumstances it wouldn't be humanly possible to be innocent. only in make believe world can you have 53 pieces of evidence against you and still be guilty. his rifle, a 6.5 rifle wads proven by ire arms exeperts to e
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the murder weapon. after oswald, let's not stipulate he's guilty at this point, after a hoshooting he wa the only worker who fled the building. 45 minutes later oswald shot and killed officer j.d. tippett who stopped him on the street to question him. a half hour later at the texas theater oswald resisted arrest by pulling his gun on the arresting officer. during three days of interrogation, 12 hours by the dallas police department he told one lie after another. provable lies all which show an unmistakable consciousness of guilty.
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>> i'm convinced as you are that oswald was one of the trigger men. any evidence of a second shooter, a second gunman on the grassy knoll or anywhere else? >> none. absolutely none. there's allegations but no credible evidence. >> 50 years later any credible evidence that it was the mob, the kgb, the cubans, the pro-castro cub>> in my book i s evidence that point away from it. i can't go over all the theories. it's the only book that attacks the conspiracy theory. let me mention three things that apply to all conspiracies.
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we cannot ignore the fact that both did a massive extremely intensive investigation of the assassination. they both concluded that there's no credible evidence. that's the key record. no credible evidence that the mob or cia or any other group was involved in the assassination. all they found, they did find unsupported allegations and naked speculation. i use the word credible. >> 30 seconds. >> can we have a second segment? >> i got people stacked up. give us your best shot. go. >> okay. no one's going to conspire lee harvey oswald. after he left the texas school
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book depository building, if the mob was with them there would have been car waiting to drive him to his death. he's out on the street with $13 in his pocket trying to flag down buses and cabs. that tells any sensible person that he acted alone. even the presidential motorcade route that took the president below his perch at the sixth floor. that route wasn't determined until november 18th, four days before the assassination. does any reasonable person believe that a conspiracy to murder the president of the united states would be hashed within just four days of the assassination. >> on that note let me refer our audience to your extremely impressive book, "reclaiming history." thank you. later it's not been seen in 38 years. my long buried interview with oswald's mother.
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check your credit score, check your credit report at experian.com. lee harvey oswald's this is an exact duplicate. a person who can only qualify by two points at the military weapons proficiency test can take this piece of junk and hit a moving target and find his sight picture in 5.6 seconds is ludicrous. >> the mafia, the cubans, the cia of all the conspiracy theories concerning the president's murder there is one more possibility, at least one. what if jfk was killed by a horrifying accident. shot dead by an inexperienced secret service agent trying to protect him. that's the basis of jfk, the
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smoking gun reported by my next guest. collin, thank you very much for being with us. for the commission to be correct about oswald acting alone a single bullet had to do a lot of damage. watch this first. >> the commission found the bullet struck him at the base of his neck just to the right of his spine and exited his throat below his adams apple. shattered four inches of his fifth rib and crashed through his right wrist before lodging two inches deep in his left high. >> detective collin what's wrong with the single bullet theory. >> there's three rounds that day. the first one that lee harvey oswald got off missed completely. the second hit him in the back of the neck. that was definitely this type of
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bullet. 6.5 millimeters in diameter and it did what it was supposed to do. this is about bullet performance. it hit the back of the neck and went through his throat and to the governor. the shot is the one that hit him in the back of the head. that's a different round altogether. the first shot was the 6.5 millimeter round. that was responsible for the first shot that missed and the second shot that hit jfk in the back of the neck. the third shot is this other one more streamlined. this is a 5.6 millimeter round and it's designed to explode violently upon impact. that is the round that hit jfk in the back of the neck and that round in the secret service weapon, the ar-15 assault rifle that was used that day. >> you allege that round was fired tragically by accident by an agent named george hickey.
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where was george hickey riding and what weapon did he wield? >> he was a brand new agent. he had only been with the secret agency for four months. he was riding in the back of the limousine, the follow up car behind jfk only meters away from jfk. on the second shot you can see there's photographic evidence, it's overwhelming evidence, they all say that hickey turned at that second shot and reached for his weapon, the ar-15 from his position on the backseat. when he went to stand up the brakes were applied to the secret service vehicle and he accidental stumbled, fell forward and backwards and at that point the third shot rang out and that third shot was consistent in every way to be
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the work of this round that exploded upon impact. as you remember you could see jfk's head was blown and it was all over from that point forward. s >> you're making the stunning charge that a well meaning but inexperienced secret service agent picked up his weapon as he went to wield that weapon the car jerked to a halt and he fired and killed the president of the united states by accident? >> i'm making the charge certainly. let's be honest about it. there's 11 american people that are making that observation. collectively they all say and they said on the statements, their affidavits and a couple of them got through the commission, many of them didn't. this is the cover up. they all say these good american witnesses that they saw this secret service agent stand, pick up the weapon, accidental fall
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back and some of them said they believed he fired the weapon. >> a cover up of an accident that you believe killed the president of the united states? >> absolutely. if you look at it further, there are 22 american witnesses as well that are standing around that parade around those two cars. ten of them said they smelled gun smoke at the third shot just after the third shot. another 12 gave evidence they saw smoke at the crime scene at street level at that third shot or just after the third shot. that cannot be the smoke of lee harvey oswald. it's impossible. he's six floors up, 295 feet behind. it's an impossibility. 22 witnesses smell or saw gun
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smoke at street level and 11 of them saw this agent stumble and fall and some of them believe he fired his weapon. this is a method cover-up. it really should stop on the 50th anniversary. >> we can't our special report after this. pepepepepeople go tos pepepepepeople go tos store and essentially they just get sold something. we provide the exact individualization that
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after the first shot, the secret serviceman the secret serviceman raised up in the seat with a machine gun and he dropped back down. >> my next guest represented secret service agent george hickey. we referred to him in the last segment. the secret service agent accused
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of accidentally killing the president with the ar-15 rifle. mark is holding the one just like lee harvey oswald. was jfk killed like a weapon you are holding or a modern style ar-15 like the one your client held on that day 50 years ago? >> certainly the evidence indicating it was a carkano. in the broadcast that fox did just in the hour before yours. all the theories, medical doctors and very few people have come to the conclusion that secret service agent hickey fired any shot. think of the hundreds of witnesses that were standing just feet away from the
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limousine. hundreds, this would be the most massive cover up of all time. every doctor involved, every lawyer involved, government investigator involved. it just makes no sense. eyewitness can be unreliable. jean hill thought jackie kennedy had a poodle in her lap. was she right? of course not. >> what about the lawsuit you filed against various media outlets that accused hickey of killing the president. how were they resolved? >> we ended upset settling the case. it's really sad fact that george hickey is no longer around. he died a few years ago to be able to respond to these resurrected absurd theories. we'd be here talking about a new
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lawsuit. as you know defamation dies with the individual. tony summers called never in our lifetime is an appropriate indication for what is at stake with the kennedy assassination. we won't know what really happened. i can tell you what didn't happen is secret service hickey didn't shoot the president. >> did he die feeling vindicated or feel he was forever cast in the shadow by the man who might have accidentally killed the presiden president? >> i lost touch with him many the last few years. i know when we settled the case we got an apology. it's really unfortunate that this came up.
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the evidence that just is lacking out there to indicate that this weapon, this machine gun that no one would have hurt it or the ballistics would have matched to it. >> did you ever ask george hickey did he fire his weapon that day? yes or no? >> i'd be violating attorney-client privilege if i did anything like that. i will say he was very adamant that he never did it as was the other secret service agents in the car who worked with us to say he never fired a shot. >> thank you very much. >> if he did they were a cover up too. >> up next lee harvey oswald's mother speaks out in an interview you haven't seen in 40 years. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all...
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they ploobelieve they found body of a man who fell out of a small plane at 2,000 feet. they have been searching for him since thursday when he radioed for help saying his door was open and his only passenger had fallen out. foul play is not suspected. 43 protesters are dead in libya. more bloodshed in the afghan capital where six people have been killed by car bomb.
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the vehicle packed with explosives rammed into an armored car where thousands are gathering for talks regarding a key u.s. security agreement. i'm robert gray. now back to geraldo at large. history was changed by this one disgruntled man. sdp >> that's right. if you see how close that building is to where kennedy came down in a very slow, slow ride you can see how it happened. >> killing kennedy airs tomorrow night. who was lee harvey oswald? why did he murder the president of the united states? craig investigates.
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>> i'm not a communist. >> according to jefferson mo moreley, lee harvey oswald was well known by american intelligence agencies before he shot jfk. he believes there are secret documents that could reveal that agency was onto oswald up to the eve of the assassination. why would the cia have an interest in lee harvey oswald. >> the height of the cold war for a former marine to say he wanted to live in the soviet union, this was a story that made headlines in the united states. the reports go to the top of the cia and they open a file on oswa oswald. >> the man who would go onto murder the president was known to u.s. intelligence.
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>> he talked about his leftist sympathies. he said he admired castro. >> oswald meets a 19-year-old student. they marry and then a daughter june is born. he decides russia is not radical enough. the family returns to the united states. >> how is it that he was able to leave russia after he denounced his citizenship as a united states citizen. do come back to the united states with a russian wife in hand. >> he had never really followed through. he was still a u.s. citizen when he came back. how he was able to come back so quickly with a russian wife and not be interviewed by the cias is a puzzle. >> he was involved in another
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assassination before the one in dallas. oswald told his wife he had done it. a bullet fired from the same that oswald used to kill the president strikes the general window frame as he sat in his home office. bull et fragments strike his ar. >> i'm not a communist. >> are you a marxist? >> i have studied the philosophy. >> may of 1963 oswald continues his pattern of treason. >> he writes to a pro-castro organization here in new york called the fair play for cuba committee and says he wants to set up a chapter in new orleans. the leaders write back and say that's not a good idea.
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it's a very conservative city. we don't want you to do that. he says i'm going to do it any way. the agency tracking his every move. >> 42 days before kennedy is killed, five senior cia officers sign offer on a cable saying oswald is maturing. >> in this dau and age we're concerned about the lone wolf. the person who has no identity until he does something drastic like the boston bombers. you have lee harvey oswald
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visiting our enemy stay trying to get into cuba. he was a well known entity just months before the president was killed. >> couldn't have gone any higher. they were involved in counter intelligence and anti-castro operations. those officers in the western hemisphere division are the ones who are paying the closest attention to oswald just seven weeks before president kennedy is killed. it's the best indication of a massive plot in dallas. documents are released but there's still thousands more secret documents so he sues the cia for their release. >> is there a possibility that
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the documents with hold some kind of plot against castro who is still alive that they wouldn't want to reveal today. >> there's a couple of possibilities. additional information about the cia's plot to kill castro. another possibility is that there was an operation involving oswald, a cia operation, involving oswald that's never been disclosed. >> very interesting. 50 years later a lot of questions. thanks. a long time ago i visited with lee harvey oswald's mother. still insisting that her con didn't kill the president of the united states. >> did your son kill president
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kenne kennedy? >> i don't have an opinion. i happen to know my son was framed. i've stated so in my testimony. i've spoken out for 13 years. i find the question upsetting. >> over the last several years there's opinion reports that your son was an agent for one of the injens agencies here in the united states. what do you think about that theory? >> when we went to russia i thought then, which was in 1959, i thought then and just for the fact that he had showed up in russia. i was convinced he was sent to
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russia. i think this hurts me very, very much. at the time of the assassination when everybody was upset and we had such news and everybody and it was a big, big thing. fp i said people to own that, a mother taking the up for her son. now i'm going to say to the public, in 1960, proud of that. i had already been to washington and said if my son, people on the phone. i had the audacity to say that. witness excused sweix weeks lat i didn't know if he was alive or dead for 20 months. they couldn't locate my son. they didn't know a thing about my son. six weeks later i get his address and saying he wants to
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come home. you do have circumsubstantial evidence and this is what they based my son killing the president on. they built a case against him. >> in an interview you gave to a newspaper about two weeks after the assassination. you said that the fbi cake to you 17 hours prior to the murder of your son and showed you a picture of a man that later you identified as jack ruby. >> night before he came to the motel and they wanted to talk with marina and i wouldn't let them.
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i asked what was it that i could do for them. he asked me if i knew this man. i said no. aye never seen him in my life and off he went. then after ruby killed lee. remember i didn't know he killed lee. i walked through a room where we were held up in protect i custody. i casually turned over a newspaper and on the front page was a picture of a man and i said that's the man, the picture and the f pi man showed showed. >> this is an extraordinary room. >> all of them will favorable to my son lee harvey oswald. most of them and all of them have some truth in it. the truth is because they are
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awesome. they do not the documentation. where they air is the evaluation of such and that is where the commission members air. lee harvey oswald was the lone asass sin. they are wrong. they sand here before you today saying they are wrong in this financial seasonal sis. it puts that lee harvey oswald killed the president of the united states. >> up next, two pros who agree that her son did not kill president kennedy. . [ male announcer ] you'll only find advil,
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hi, geraldo, it's mike baker, former cia covert operations officer. harvey could have made that shot. he had the opportunity and the motive. he had sufficient skill. took those shots. here is where i'm conflicted. i'm not a conspiracy guy but i believe there were other forces at play. >> other forces at play. mike baker thank you very much. the leading researcher and conspiracy theorist. mark, tell us, let's put evidence aside. i want you to tell me right now who killed the president in your opinion after everything that you have researched, everything you have delved into over those long decades. who do you think was responsible
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for the death of the young an gracious 35th president of the united states? >> start out by saying i don't believe oswald was involved at all. there's no evidence against oswald. i know people are talking about his motivation. you're a lawyer, and so i am. we know motive is not an element of the crime. motivation is not an issue. the question is what are the -- what's the evidence. let's look at the evidence. there's no evidence that oswald was involved. >> mark, i want you to tell me who did it if oswald did not. >> good question. i believe it's the central intelligence agency. i don't know the names of the guys but the central intelligence agency. we have the cia. this is crucial. plotting in september of 1963 to leave a trail behind which would involve oswald in the
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assassination. they said he was in mexico city. that's not true. what they were saying in september, this is the crucial part. we know it's not true. even david phillips who directed the cia from mexico city but in charge of the whole cia operation in america said oswald was not in mexico city. that was the whole case against him. he went there. they set that up. the cia set that up. david phillips did it in september of 1963. my question is how did they know in september that the president was going to be killed two months later? the answer is apparent. they knew it because they did it. they were planning to do it then. >> mark lane you say there's no evidence. i don't understand how you could
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make that allegation. the rife was bought by lee harvey oswald via mail order. the rifle that was used to kill the president. the revolver used to kill the police officer 30 minutes later was lee harvey's. how you say there's no evidence? >> you don't have pictures of him shooting anybody. it's not a question of who owned a weapon. it's a question of who fired the weapon. we don't know why oswald got those weapons or how. there's a lot of controversy about that. i brought in one action against the other. there's still a vast amount of evidence h which is not available. if the government says all the evidence shows that oswald did it, let's see the evidence. why is it still being hidden after all these years?
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what's the answer to that question? >> i think 50 years will pass and we still won't have all the answers. thank you very much for coming on. up next, the lone scientist who
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the single bullet theory is complete fantasy and the biggest reason is the horizontal trajectory just simply can't line up. it is thoroughly impossible. >> mark furman, thank >> thank you. you just saw just saw my next guest, but for now, forensic pathologist, he knows as much about what
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happened on that november day in dallas than any other man alive. doctor wect, welcome, your position on the evidence is clear, you have made it clear over the years, you don't think oswald did it, you certainly don't think he acted alone. so i'm going to ask you the same question i just asked mark lane, who do you think killed president kennedy? >> okay, we'll have another hour some other time and talk about the forensic scientific evidence. who do i think killed kennedy? it was a group of people, three, four, five people, the cia, military industrial complex. they're not going to tolerate jfk any longer, the removal of the ground troops in vietnam, the events that are taking place in cuba. the cia was about to be dismantle by jfk. he got sick and tired of all the things that were going on. the cia was a separate government, geraldo, the assassinations and overthrows of government in iran, guatemala
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and chili, iran, anything that the cia wanted to do, they did. and who orchestrated it? it wasn't the russians, it wasn't the china. this was the overthrow of the government, it was a coup d'etat in america. it was the forensic scientific ed, which regrettably i don't have a chance to talk about. rob mcclellan, said unequivocally, that he stood there for about ten to 20 minutes, eight to ten inches from the head wound, a man who has seen hundreds if not thousands of gunshot wounds, he said that it came from behind the picket fence on the grassy noll. there's no question. and kennedy, after being struck in the back, he was hit a second time in the head. he was hit two times, two head shots. the war on commission report is a single bullet theory.
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one bullet producing seven wounds in two men. the bullet only lost 1.5% of its total weight. the bullet emerged near pristine. the government itself conducted an experiment shooting into goat carcasses, to simulate kennedy's head fracture, and they could not come one a bullet anywhere near the bullet 399. the bullet had to have broken both a rib and a radius. this is hard scientific evidence. the missing brain, the burned nose at the fireplace. the missing bullet hole on friday night. the whole thing is a total fiasco, it's a debacle. >> on that note, take a breath, dr. weblgct, we appreciate it. we know what you think.
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folks, lee harvey oswald owned the rifle used to kill the president, that's true. he owned the handgun that was used to kill the cop 45 minutes later. he ran away from the scene, that's true. even his own brother came to the conclusion, he killed jfk. did oswald -- anybody else had anything to do with it. no evidence. as jackie kennedy said of her husband's death, he didn't even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights, it had to be some silly little communist and that's the point, because history shines on the because history shines on the 35th president, he wanted [ eeping ] [ male announcer ] you hear that? that's the sound of car insunce companies these days. here a cheap, there a cheap. everywhere a cheap... you get it. so what if instead ofjust a cheachoice, you could make a smart choice? like esurance for example they were born online and built to save people money from the beginning.
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