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a different hearing tomorrow, different cast of characters. martha: we will see you later. and we will see "happening now" and a couple of seconds from now. we will be back here tomorrow morning, everybody. have a great one. bye-bye. jenna: breaking news on today's top headlines. brand-new stories are only going to see here. jon: obamacare under fire again. our computer problems just the tip of the iceberg? what happens if everyone signs up for insurance but there are not enough doctors to treat everybody? a new report on the doctor shortage. the landmark mission to mars, who launched this rocket and what it means for space travel. and the amanda knox retrial back underway tomorrow after a bombshell leak about dna evidence. could it now a quitter? it is all "happening now" the."
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well, it sounded so simple, the president's promise about keeping a health care plan if you like it is a little too simple. now he's talking about the fine print. good morning to you. i am jon scott. jenna: the fine print will get you every time. we will take a little it to that fine print. welcome to "happening now." i am jenna lee. the president changing his tune a little more than month into the rollout of obamacare. intense pressures man means of americans lose their insurance policy that resident is backtracking little bit moving the goalposts coming back to the administration little bit. jon: there seems to be no end to the problems. the head of the agents responsible for setting up the marketplace is back on capitol hill taking questions from the senate panel that helps write the law. pointed to improvement in the federal health care website.
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>> we are now able to process nearly 17,000 per hour, or five per second, with almost no errors. we've updated the site several times since october 1. improving the experience. we have added more capacity and doubled the number of servers to meet demand. jon: meanwhile the president explaining what he really meant when he said you can keep your current health plan. senior white house correspondent is live on the north lawn. so what is the explanation? >> the president said getting rid of substandard health insurance with a part of a larger promise in health reform, says it makes insurance market better and makes sure americans are not one illness away from financial ruin. but forces him to add a caveat to his promise if you like your insurance plan or your doctor, you can keep them. last that he spoke to his former campaign to build support for issues like health care immigration reform. about the friendliest audience
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he is likely to find. >> if you have or had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law, and he really liked that law, what we have said is you can keep it. if it hasn't changed since the law passed. we have written into the affordable care act you are grandfathered on that plan. but insurance changes it, what we're saying is they have to change it to a higher standard, they had to make it better. >> last night was the first night president obama added you could giv keep the plan if the insurance company hadn't changed it. they should be understood they couldn't promise people to keep plans that didn't exist when he made the promise, john. jon: the language i remember was you could keep it. but we will see about that. are they saying the admission here was on purpose? >> they do.
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the policy people recognize the promise was one that they couldn't keep, they were overruled by people on the political side. first to be bush says the president's words are in a misdirection must have been intentional and republican senator says separating and am capable promise from other elements of the affordable care act. >> these are problems that are fundamental to this law, the administration is to come forward, honest answers, not dancing around it, not trying to reinvent what they said years ago. the president made it very clear if you like your plan, you can keep it. right now wha we're finding outs if only the white house likes her plan can you keep it. >> republicans think the website problems could be used to delay the requirement for people by health insurers if they can buy it by the end of march but the insurance plan standards they feel threatened the whole affordable care act.
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jon. jon: thank you. jenna: well, a white house's space in some sharp over the president's often repeated promise. jay carney miscarried up with reporters during yesterday's daily briefing. take a listen. speak of it ha hasn't been chand or canceled you can keep it. but it is being changed and canceled. insurance companies say they are making these changes because they are being forced by the new law. >> i see some heads shaking because that represents a misunderstanding. speak again, you have no requirements for insurance company to include these different policies that were not included before. he said you can bypass the website and apply in person that he can be done in 25 minutes so the end of the day we are all stuck in the same queue while they all have to go through the same portal. >> i get it, but the person who calls isn't the one who continues to wait after the paper application is filled.
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>> i think it is entertaining, but you can apply within 25 minutes, that is not true. jenna: there's a lot of emotion involved in the topic and a lot of reporting to be done. today's daily briefing to begin later on in the show. we will watch it a at that gets underway and bring you any news as it happens. jon: just into the fox newsroom, the white house is open for tours once again. and on this first day of resumed tours which were closed as a result of the president of the sequester budget cuts, he and mrs. obama decided to break some of the first folks through the door. they were not planning on that, but they were there for the first tours of the white house since the sequester cuts closed the white house doors. outside the white house but not there told us president obama is fine-tuning his message about
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keeping your health plan adding qualifiers now to his original promise telling everyone obamacare will be good for you. just wait. millions of americans get cancellation notices. an associate editor and columnist for the hill, so how is all of this going over the number of people who have been canceled is now up in the millions. speaker that is right. the larger damage to the economy if you think about how many people are not only finding out they were canceled but how many people are worried their plans will be canceled. eventually if not by the end of 13 maybe 14 the fact is they don't know. there are too many surprises learned in the weeks since october 1. you cannot really enroll even if you wanted to, only a few of them make it through the system all the way to purchase coverage, but this point we are learning not only very few plans
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ultimately in the out years will be grandfathered in. it might get stricter as it goes along. maybe we won't get canceled this year, but who knows what the grandfather restrictions change to in the future. so there is widespread anxiety now amongst all insured, that is a problem for consumer demand, a problem for people afraid to buy things because they're afraid of coming out of pocket cost. if you administration fixes website and gets young people in it, and may be able to control the damage but what you are hearing the stories we're hearing in the news. jon: i can't think of a presidential statement that was repeated more often than if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your health plan, you can keep it. now he is saying if you had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law and you like that plan, what
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we said was you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed. no he didn't. >> no, he didn't say that. he assured the insured the plans that were tailored for them they like even if they were in the small self-insured market that does change a lot, planted canceled a lot everybody was told you can keep your plan. there was no caveat. your plan is so bad you will be thrilled to find out will be canceled or replaced by a better plan. now you are finding sticker shock, not sticker joy, canceled consumers in a panic research in the new plans and not liking what they see. it was not true. it has a ripple effect, i think, on hiring and on any kind of buying because people are now so afraid of it hasn't happened to them already it could happen in january or june.
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jon: a research expert saying 68% of americans with private health insurance will not be able to keep it under these new rules amounted to 129 million people. >>) that is 68% is a combination of those probably needs to be canceled as well as those whose policies will be changed so your employer is keeping you on at the policy there before, but the new restrictions of the formal cataract changes so much it is a different policy. in the end it could be up people whose policies disappear because the new ones are so different even though they believe they remained insured that whole time. a large amount of people in for more surprises even if they don't get the cancellation letter. jon: we are going to continue to watch this and the hearing as well today. thank you. jenna: back to health care in a moment. in the meantime new information on the shooting in northern
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new jersey. following a scary incident last night, gunmen opening fire just before closing time in the mall. trying to secure the mall and tracked on the suspect. hours later they found the body of the 20-year-old gunmen shot dead in an apparent suicide. now we are learning a little bit more about him. live at the scene in new jersey with more. report back police say the gunman was richard shoop, he lived nearby in teaneck be it described as a history of drug use and drug dealing and problems with police. this morning his body was taken out by authorities in a black bag on a gurney and loaded into a whitehurst to be driven away. authorities say he stole his brother's rifle and motorcycle helmet, canned new jersey's largest mall last night with a purpose not to hurt others, but to die. he walked in 10 minutes before closing time dressed in black and fired six rounds from the
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rifle not shooting at people but randomly in the air and possibly at security cameras. witnesses say he was acting crazy and sparked panic as thousands of shoppers ran for the exits and hundreds of them hid in the back of the stores while merchants turned off lights. >> i see everybody running, think it is somebody famous. get to the back, there is a shooter. my first instinct, thank god, was to go get the keys and lock the door. >> as that was happening we heard another gunshot, at that moment we were just all shaking, calling corporate, didn't know what to do, didn't know what was going on. walked our door. reporreporter: there was a masse police response. hundreds of officers including multiple s.w.a.t. teams sealing off the complex and searching it inch by inch. eventually they found the body
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of richard shoop after 3:00 a.m. in the back area of the mall under construction. he was dead from a self inflicted gunshot wound with the same rifle he used to scare people when he walked in. while police and mall security are getting a lot of credit for handling this, this clearly could have been much, much worse. jenna: thank you. jon: technology 101 not working for the obamacare website. how about economics 101? our next guest talks about a growing doctor shortage with millions of newly insured americans who now need medical care. plus india launching a rocket to mars. we will talk about the latest country heading for the red planet coming up. if you think a prune is a prune, you haven't tried sunsweet, the amazing prune.
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jon: india is now headed to mars. the spacecraft making orbit if all goes well in late december 2014. tropical storm sonja showing her strength in mexico. more than a foot and a half of water slamming the coast there. 1000 people put out of their homes. and a tiny survivor, a 2-pound baby born prematurely leaving a chinese hospital last week heading home with his parents thanked two months of careful treatment by doctors. the child's arm was only the size of an adult finger the time he was born. jenna: amazing health care story. the entire next segment. good thing for that family. obama cap problems may not be confined to the website. a new report growing the shortage of doctors in this country and number of doctors may not be able to keep up with the demand of millions of newly insured americans.
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at least that is the piece in the national journal. joining us now to talk a little bit more about her article. nice to have you on the program. >> thank you for having me. jenna: tell me about the statistics you found. why did it seem like there were less doctors in the country? >> study in on the medicine says next to the biggest demand will be for primary care physicians. united states will need 32,000 more of those by 2025. but the thing is, this is not a field of medicine many students want to get into because it pays less than specialist. these are family doctors and pediatricians. they are getting olde older, clr to retirement and americans are sicker than ever and that means fewer doctors th for the patiens who need care. jenna: is this a trend that has been happening for years? years in the making or does it have something that is related to the health care law?
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is the new health care law a deterrent from younger people getting involved in medicine? >> the warnings aren't anything new. this fall there was a record number of medical students enrolling in u.s. colleges but that is not going to help next year when they will seek access to health care. it is not directly related to the affordable care act but obamacare will have a shortage. jenna: that is something we have seen a little bit, it is a causation a state law in massachusetts has caused a shortage of doctors haven't do with more people going to the doctors because they do have insurance. speaker even after seven years massachusetts implemented in obamacare style reform, half of the primary practices in that state remain closed to new customers and the customers who can make appointments are waiting a long time. massachusetts is still feeling
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those effects. it is a big problem, bigger than a glitching website. jenna: one of the things we were trying to do was reach out to the administration to see if there were any previous statements about the doctor shortage because we have heard about it before. some may say this is a good thing more people have insurance and are going to the doctors because those people who didn't have insurance went to the doctors anyways and got it a bill, doctors would never get paid because the patients can afford it. even though there is a doctor shortage potentially does that mean it will be worse off for the patients? >> they will still be seen but it will take oftentimes a lot of time for them to get an appointment. they're struggling to find an appointment, they may head to the emergency room where they will get stuck with a bigger bill had they seen a primary care physician. jenna: and the cost gets spread out the rest of us as well. interesting piece. we encourage our viewers to
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check it out for how we can see them in evolving us more people need to be seen by the general practitioners that may or may not be able to provide the care to the general market out there if it continues to grow. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. jon: today new info on a story we are following. serious allegations of bullying in pro football. a starter for the miami dolphins suspended after another player team and now the nfl is investigating. and a very long legal road for amanda knox. stunning new evidence that could change everything in her retrial on murder charges. so ally bank has a raise your rate cd
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jenna: refriel -- retrial of
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amanda knox returns. this time there's some bomb shell new d.n.a. evidence on the alleged murder weapon that could turn the whole case upside down. patty ann has the details now. >> that's right. meredith kircher was an exchange student killed in italy in 2007. her former roommate, amanda knox, was found guilty in 2009 and spent four years in an italian prison along with her former boyfriend. a key piece of evidence was a knife. police claim it was the murder weapon and it contained small pieses of kircher d.n.a. an appeals court threw out the verdict in 2011.
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retrial is now getting underway in italy and a new forensic test could help clear knox and her former boyfriend. a third, small trace of d.n.a. from that knife has been examined for the first time. it shows no traces of the victim's blood. it does show knox's d.n.a. which her lawyer says makes sense since she spent time cooking in her boyfriend's cooking. defense says this proves it was not the murder weapon. there's nothing linking the crime with them because the only connection was the murder weapon. knox is now 26. she has not been attending the retrial hearing. jenna: we'll continue to watch this. thank you. jon: some new info on a story we brought you yesterday. miami dolphins suspend starter incognito after reports his teammate, jonathan martin, was bullied. now the head coach is speaking out as we learn the nfl may be conducting an investigation of its own. steve has the latest from miami.
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some more troubling revelations about the suspended lineman. what do we know? >> that's right. richie's case not helped, either, by the release of video from tmz which show him shirtless, stomping around the dirty blonde bar in fort lauderdale and shouting the n word in reference to a fellow teammate with him at the time. this has brought a lot of scrutiny to his past as well. he was released from the football program at nebraska and oregon and released from the rams after arguing with the coach. he has rage management as well as drug problems as well. next year he'll be a free agent. jon: what's been the reaction from the dolphins? >> from the very top, the owner, steve ross, has wanted a complete outside investigation. as far as the coach goes, he's really been on the defensive, being peppered by local hemedia.
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despite the outrage outside the stadium, inside the locker room the players are still expressing a lot of support for their embattled teammates. >> he had to get a guy to pick your back, i would pick richie. i don't think what people have said about him is true but i don't want to get into it. >> not a lot being said about jonathan martin. he hasn't spoken since the accusations. he's returned home to family in california. jon: two starters gone from the offensive line. thank you. >> the president facing some sharp criticisms since his re-election. even his former staffers are speaking out. is the president losing momentum in the second term? a fair and balanced debate coming up. apparently old age ain't what it used to be. why folks are living longer and living better and the old stereotypes about getting old just don't fit anymore. what it means to storing entitlement and health care
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jenna: breaking news right now. you're taking a look at a city, one of the big e er cities in the state. what we just learned from the fire department, from their twitter feed is that this is a three story home and there was some sort of home explosion that took off part of the building. what we're getting into the studio right now is pretty vague but i'll share a little bit
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about what we know. it's a multi story building. there has been an explosion. you can see some of the debris that's scattered around the streets there. no word on the cause of the explosion, no word on injuries as well. the fire department, again, saying it's a home so we'll have to wait to learn a little more information about when precisely this happened, whether anyone was inside and the cause of it. obviously firefighters busy trying to put out this still burning fire at this home explosion. as we learn more on this developing story, we'll bring that to you. >> right now a look at stories still to come this hour. president obama taking heat from his own party over obamacare and several recent scandals. so is the president losing steam in his second term or is the criticism out of line? our political panel debates it. plus a denver middle school ransacked overnight. cops have two suspects in custody. who they arrested and what they apparently were planning.
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and with americans living longer, baby boomers are redefining what it means to grow old. what that means for medicare, social security and the national debt coming up. jenna: the president vowing to go ahead with the rollout of the troubled health care plan, promise to go fix all the problems with the crippled website. in the meantime, head of the agency responsible for setting up the insurance marketplace and back on capitol hill today taking questions from the senate panel that helps write the health care laws. she says the website is now able to handle a lot more people but still no word on how many have actually signed up for insurance. peter is taking a look what's going on, on capitol hill and joining us now. what is the administration going to do to get people interested in health again? do they have a plan or strategy? >> yeah. we just heard about this in the last few minutes. there's going to be a big time push in the media. that is if the website is really fixed by the end of november
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which the administration is aiming for. if it is, then we should expect to see a campaign targeted at critical young people rolling out sometime in the next few weeks. >> our goal is to stabilize the website this month and then we do have a targeted plan that includes not only young people but the large populations of the uninsured in markets so yes, there is a plan. >> what kind of plan is it? >> it's a combination of media, both television, radio and it's identified by top markets and i'm happy to share that plan with you all >> we heard democratic maryland senator expressing concern about a possible crisis in confidence that could keep younger people away from the site after the sloppy rollout but administrators suggesting this campaign is going to bring them back. jenna: speaking of confidence some may have based on the last
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several weeks, peter, has the security concerns that have been brought up by lawmakers, have those been addressed with the website? >> yes. she says the data hub that verifies the identity was fully tested ahead of time and is secure. when it comes to the exchanges, she said consumers can trust them but that the testing is ongoing. >> any system that is as large is inherently risky. we continue to monitor the system and have had no serious issues. security testing never ends. it will never end and it will not for this system or any other large system. >> in talking about traffic at the website, she says there's a lot of it, more than expected but that now health can handle 17,000 registrations an hour or five per second. jenna: peter, thank you.
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jon: more criticism of the president even from within his own party. after the n.s.a. scandals, botched rollout of obamacare and the benghazi attack, an l.a. times article just out today reads on each of these controversies, obama has claimed ignorance before the fact and outrage afterward. leaving even some democrats to see him as asleep at the wheel. joining us is the white house political director under george w. bush and the political consultant and former adviser to hillary clinton. richard, you're the democrat of the panel. let's start with you first. are you one of those who is critical of the way the obama white house has handled some of the issues? >> i think the critics should get it straight. is he this rather detached, disinterested kind of above the fray, dictator who is trying to take everybody's rights away? depending on the day of the week, you kind of hear one or the other. look. let's think about how he handled
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osama bin laden attack, right? he was on top of all of the information. his advisers were split. he managed that very carefully and it was very successful. now, if we had had, you know -- if he was looking over the shoulder of all of these tech nerds with the consultants that have been hired, the contractors by the administration to get this website up, everybody who is an opponent of the president would be complaining that he's in the weeds, he's not doing what the president should do. look. every depiction of his administration shows when he's in meetings, he's thirsty for information, cross-examining his staff. if somebody hasn't spoken up, he tries to get them to say what they think. i think this is a caricature that doesn't square up with the facts. jon: but the unanswerable question is if the osama bin laden raid had gone badly, if it had become another 79 hostage rescue attempt in the desert, would the president have taken the same kind of credit? >> yeah. that's right, jon.
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the fact is that the military knows how to go in and kill people and break things and he let them do their job. when it comes to the rollout of obamacare, his signature piece of legislation that really bears his name, he didn't seem to have enough curiosity to say i know the date it's supposed to start. but i need to be assured of this. i guarantee you, president obama made his political team on his re-election campaign show him and tell him exactly how the turnout operation was going to work in the key battleground states. i would have liked to have seen the same level of scrutiny and concern on the health care rollout. i think it's a political mistake. his approval ratings are 40% today. i think if the president doesn't a second et this fixed, i think term that's going to get even more adrift. jon: here's a second line from the article. the ipad toting president who promised high tech efficiency in government rolled out the landmark overhaul last month on a website that almost feels like a clunky relic from the dial-up
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age. the question they're asking, it was a streamlined, high tech, efficient campaign but he doesn't seem to be able to have translated that into the way he runs the white house. >> and the new yorker cover depicts the caricature. in the campaign, you have a billion dollar enterprise that if you thinks over two years. the federal government is almost $4 trillion a year versus a billion. excuse me. you have a few thousand employees in a campaign. you've got over 2 1/2 million employees in the federal government. jon: are you saying is he in over his head? >> no. listen. ask osama bin laden -- whoa. whoa. excuse me. ask osama bin laden and all the heads that have been taken out of al qaeda and the taliban with the drone strikes, ask them if president obama is in over his head. excuse me. ask every leader in europe whether they think president obama is in over his head.
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excuse me. i would like the record to support that. >> judge don't we ask angela merkle what she thinks about that? the reason that you said that government is so big and so complex is the very reason why americans know that obamacare isn't going to work for them. they all know their policies are either going to be cancelled or transformed and in every case they're going to be more expensive and they might not be able to use the doctors they get to use now so your very explanation of why government is to complicated is why we don't like the law. jon: thank you both. we'll continue the discussion. jenna: there's a new report from the "wall street journal" today, front page piece, in fact, suggesting that the folks signing up for obamacare are older than the administration was planning on. the "wall street journal" is citing insurance companies with some of this data and apparently it's a growing problem. now there's also a new look at what it means to grow old and how that's affecting the health care debate. we'll tackle the topics in a moment.
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jon: an update on the home explosion we told you about in paw tuck et, rhode island. this was on mineral spring avenue. it's a large house that's been divided up into a multi family structure. we're told three people were rescued. a woman and an infant as well as a man. the woman and infant, we're told, appeared to be unharmed. apparently they lived or were at least staying on the third floor of this multi family home. the man apparently has severe burns as a result of this explosion. the source of which has not been yet revealed to us by firefighters. they're still working to get the fire out. this all took place about an hour and 45 minutes ago. that's when the home blew. we're continuing to watch it. if we get more information, we'll bring it to you but the good news is three people were rescued from that fire. jenna: two teens are in custody right now after a break-in at an empty school building in denver.
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swat teams were called in after a janitor reporting seeing two armed men. patti ann browne is live in our news room with more on this. >> yeah. it was quite a dramatic scene but luckily, no one was hurt overnight in denver. shortly after 10:00 p.m., janitors spotted the two teens breaking into the middle school they were cleaning. they called police saying the men were armed, possibly with rifles. police now say the guns were bb guns but police sent out tweets and robo calls telling neighbors to stay indoors. swat officers surrounded the campus which also houses a high school. police saw the teens ransacking classrooms. they also noticed they were carrying backpacks and one had a pipe so the bomb squad was sent in. they sent in a robot to the school in case there were explosives. none were found and police communicated with the men through the public address system but the men refused to surrender and the standoff
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lasted several hours. they were finally taken into custody around 3:00 a.m. denver police found items in the backpacks that appeared to be stolen from the school so they think the motive was simple burglary. police say the teens did not go to the school and classes, meanwhile, resumed today as normal. jenna: what a bizarre case. thank you. jon: well, good news for americans. we're living healthier and longer. the bad news, medicare and social security were not designed to support our current longevity. what that all means for our national debt and foreign titlement spending as well. plus actor charlie sheen in trouble again but he gets a pass from a judge this time. we'll tell you what he's accused of. life could be hectic. as a working mom of two young boys angie's list saves me a lot of time. after reading all the reviews i know i'm making the right choice.
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jenna: age is a big variable in the health care rollout highlighted with news today from the "wall street journal" that very few young people have signed up for health coverage so far through the exchanges. the system needs the young to help pay the bills for the old in part, but how we're defining young and old deserves some reflection because it has huge budget implications. young is loosely defined by obamacare as now under 26. 65 is the traditional age of retirement and the rest of our system was designed to start paying benefits at that age and after. with advances in medicine and diet, are we really elderly nowadays at 65? "the washington post" says research shows our stereotypes with the elderly just don't work anymore. he writes this saying, quote, like under 65 americans, those 65 and over are diverse. some are poor, sickly and
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dependent. many more are financially comfortable or rich and reasonably good health and more self reliant than not. but life expectancy of 19 years at age 65, most face many years of government subsidized retirement. stereotype survives because it's politically useful and protects those subsidies. it discourages us from asking, are they all desirable or deserved? for whom? and what age? these are some big questions. joining us is steve morris, senior economics writer for the wall street injury and also the senior vice president for policy and cofounder of third way, a former legislative and policy director to senator schumer. nice to have you both. we're all getting older by the second so just jump into this. jim, at 65, that's the age that we go into medicare. that age has been around since 1935 and the life expectancy was 62 or 63. why has it stuck around so long?
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>> well, it stuck around because, look. it's worked for americans and it's worked for elderly people and as long as we were a pretty young population with a lot of economic growth, we could do that but we're going to have a population bubble where we become a much older country. number of elderly people will double in the next 30 years and it puts a huge strain on our finances and as you said, 65, 30, 40 years ago is not what 65 is today and it's not what 65 is going to be 10 or 20 years from now. these programs ought to change. jenna: and one of the points that "the washington post" points out is that our perception of the elderly being disenfranchised doesn't apply very much anymore. if you look at port rates from 1980 to current day, the poverty rates for the elderly have gone way down. the poverty rates for children have gone way up so why do we have this missed perception of what the old really are confronting? >> this is a wonderful problem, really, for a society to have is
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that we are cheating death. people are living longer. by the way, jenna, everyone is living not just longer but healthier lives. you know, people who are 70 today are healthier than people who are 70, 50 years ago or 75 years ago so it's a good problem we're all living longer. i'm a baby boomer. i was born in 1960. if you were born between 1948 and 1964, you're a boomer. there's 80 million of us. 80 million baby boomers. this is the biggest thing that's happening in america today is the impending retirement and we have to change these programs. jenna: so let me ask you about that. what would happen to obamacare? this is what we keep hearing. if young people are not enrolled, that doesn't help the insurance markets because the insurance companies are trying to help pay for treatments for older americans. what happens if the insurance companies provide policies until the age of 70? how would that change things? i'll get your thoughts on it in a second. >> here's the problem.
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the reason obamacare is moving very quickly into a dust spiral, and i think it will collapse financially and i think most people look at this seriously and agree with that. you're already seeing this. we reported today, as you just said, that young people are very reluctant to sign up for the very expensive health care plans that are required because they don't really need it. jenna: but there were older people that were involved in the market, if we changed that and got more older people involved, would that help things or would it still be the young that have to support everybody else? >> yes. you have to get the young to sign up but it's a terrible deal for young people. their health care costs are much lower if they go out into a normal marketplace and buy insurance. but when it comes to med he can air and social security, it is true that seniors did pay into that system. you know, so they're getting back to some extent what they paid in. jenna: and that's part of the reason why politically it's hard to move that. everybody is moving toward that goal, even now.
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so jim, what would happen to the insurance industry if we allowed older people to be more involved? >> look. you need younger people in the pools in order to bring down the costs for everybody else. i don't think it's a bad deal for younger people. look. i was born in 1960 also. if i had kids that were in their 20's, i would say to them, you need to get insurance just like my parents said to me. it's very inexpensive still in your 20's and something bad can happen to you then but look. we need to fix these entitlement programs and as a democrat, i'm saying we helped create these programs. we should be on the front line of fixing them. if we want to invest in other things like research and science and children and infrastructure, we're going to have to create some room and that room is going to come from entitlement. jenna: i would love to have you both back on. i think you're the first panel that has shared your birthdays. >> i have more hair. jenna: let's have you both back,
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whatever hair you have at that point to talk about fixing sop entitlements. that's the other big side to all of this in our budgetary woes. thank you for the time today. we look forward to having you back. we'll be right back.
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jenna: brand new stories and breaking news on today's top headlines. hot contest comes to head as two governors of virginia make their final push to the finish line. they risked their lives every day but should border patrol agents be allowed to use excessive force against anyone crossing into the united states illegally? a big question. and the trial resumes for dr. martin macneill. today's testimony from inmates who say the doctor bragged about killing his wife so will the jury buy what these cons are selling? it's all happening now. jenna: a hearing underway on
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capitol hill as we await a briefing from the white house. it's been interesting the last few days so we're going to watch for that. great to see you. jon: welcome to the second hour of "happening now." if you think the problems with the health care law will be over once the website is fixed, the white house apparently does not. a memo from just last week has members of the administration warning that when folks are able to get online, they might be disappointed with the high prices and limited choices. chief white house correspondent ed henry is live with that part of the story. ed, the president is changing his tune about whether you can keep your insurance if you like it. >> no doubt about it, jon. just a few moments ago the president spoke to the media briefly about immigration reform. he's meeting with business leaders right now to talk about that issue, clearly trying to pivot on something else. he's been on defense over health care but there's not much of a chance that much of the nation will be focussing on immigration reform right now when you continue to have these drum beat
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-- this drum beat of stories as you noted about sticker shock on the premiums, about people getting cancellation letters and about the president who repeatedly said three years ago in selling this law that basically if you like your plan, you can keep it. now last night to a room full of democratic supporters here in washington, changing what he said three years ago. take a listen. >> if you have or had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law and you really like that plan, what we said was you could keep it. if it hasn't changed since the law has passed. so we've wrote into the affordable care act, you're grandfathered in on that plan. if the insurance company changes it, then what we're saying is they've got to change it to a higher standard. they've got to make it better. >> you can see the president trying to blame the insurance industry. bottom line is what he says he
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said is not really what he said because he did not add that caveat three years ago. jon: he put a big period at the end of those sentences every time. so the back pedalling he's doing is not sitting well with people in congress, right? >> that's right. what's interesting is you've had republicans opposing the law from the very beginning, even before it was enacted. it didn't have much of any republican support on capitol hill. that's not a surprise. what is surprising is that in recent days, he's been getting more pressure from democrat who are now saying they want legislation that would delay the fines kicking in if you don't sign up for this new insurance because maybe you couldn't get on the website to log on and interesting because some of that criticism matches what republicans are saying. take a listen. >> the president has made it clear over time if you like your plan, you can keep it. right now what we're finding out is that only if the white house likes your plan can you keep it. >> we didn't say if you have insurance that you like that didn't meet the minimum
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standards or met the minimum standards, you could keep it. if you have insurance you and like the insurance you have, you can keep it. >> this is all about 2014 because she is a democrat from louisiana facing potentially a tough re-election battle next year. we've seen about 10 senate democrats who are facing re-election in 2014 are going to have to defend this law, have to defend the rollout calling for various changes to the law. jon: and after your exchange with jay carney, are you invited to the white house christmas party this year? >> i hope i get an invite. if you like your white house briefing, you can keep your white house briefing. it will happen in a half an hour and i'll have to ask jay. jenna: i like that. ed is quick on his feet. can't get anything by ed. let's bring in michael warren. he's a staff writer for the weekly standard and mike, ed was talking about what senate democrats are doing. he said a lot of his ties of the
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2014 election. what kind of impact can the senate democrats really have? could there potentially be changes to the health care law with the momentum that's gathering in the senate? >> look. it's possible. the republicans are, of course, all united in delaying and repealing and changing whatever the law is currently. and now they've got these allies in senate democrats. so we'll see but the real issue here is that the problems with obamacare aren't going away any time soon. even if they fix this website which presumably they will, i don't know if they're going to be able to finish it by the end of november like they say. but even if they do this and people are able to log in and get health insurance, they're going to find out that as you've been saying on this program that their premiums are going to be higher, they'll have fewer options to buy health insurance and so as a political issue, it's not going to go away in 2014 once they fix this website.
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jenna: there's also some concerns from the white house. the house oversight committee obtained some memos that is apparently from the war room at the white house where aides are saying, listen. we're actually concerned once the website works, when people actually see what the reality is, they're going to be disappointed. how are we going to deal with that? dealing with it on a political level might look so different than the rest of us having to deal with it from now until kingdom comes. what are viewers supposed to think? is this a wait and see at this point to see what any lawmaker does or is the path already set for the next several years because of the way that this law is structured? >> well, obviously things change after the 2014 elections. if republicans take over the senate like they want to, like they haven't been able to do for the past two cycles, then they may be in a position of strength so that they could actually make some changes and look. president obama has already delayed the employer mandate.
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some in congress say he shouldn't have done that. he should have done it legislatively. but as a political issue, this isn't going away. and so chipping away at it, we'll see if mary landrieu, she just introduced a bill to say people can keep it if they like it. it's difficult to see if they can achieve anything policiwise except for delaying it and delaying it is certainly the political winner these days, especially in the red states like louisiana, like arkansas where meyer pryor is running for re-election or north carolina, alaska, these folks are going to be really interested in finding any way they can to stop the sticker shock from affecting their jobs. jenna: so the impact on elections is something we want to talk about. if you would stand by for a moment, we'll turn to one of the big races we're watching and we're waiting for the outkovm of one of the most closely watched races, really of the year.
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the battle for governor of virginia. you have them in a tight race. here is more. carl, they say this race could have national implications. we were talking a little bit about what with mike. what does turnout look like? does it appear to be some sort of national referred end you mean based on what's going on in d.c.? >> sure. each side would like to make it a referendum. if turnout is an indication, it may not be working well. it's been very low here. george marshall high school that's essentially falls church, many affected by the government shutdown and what happens in washington are watching closely. it's going to be less than half of what came out for the presidential election last year. the argument has been made really health or rather the abortive launch of the
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health that bap bam care should be the issue about which this referendum vote, this race for governor is actually decided and he's not new to it as the first attorney general in the country to file suit against the affordable care act, he's been saying it all along. here's what he has to say today after he cast a vote for himself a little west of here. watch. >> obamacare has been a big part of why this race is a horse race at this point. i was the first to fight it and terry mcauliffe didn't think it was far enough. if people want to send them a message in washington on obamacare, their vote today is one way to do it. >> he's been steadily trailing in the polls, although his margin has been steadily shrinking. it was close to double digits and the last few days it was around five or six points and he has the trajectory and momentum and he likes to say the energy and passion of a very, very loyal following. he managed to not only unite tea
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party conservatives but social conservatives as well and he's looking for a big, big turnout of them, really motivated voters. jenna: and the state of play right now? >> the state of play right now is terry mcauliffe hopes that democrats come out in a big way and he argues the referendum should be against shut down politics, arguing that the conservative movement in the country is not just bad for virginia but the rest of the nation as well. this is after he voted this morning not far from here. >> they want folks to work together. they want folks to work together in a bipartisan way. they're sick and tired of the disfunction in washington. they're angry over the shut down. there was no reason to have that shut down. >> national issues, most of this campaign they spoke mostly about themselves and it was a very nasty, personal attack campaign.
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last two weeks, each side has adopted a national narrative. but there's a lot of primaries for both parties before we get to the general election battle and these guys have essentially been arguing nationally hoping that ra va voters will embrace it. we'll find out the winner of the debate in a few hours when the polls close. jenna: imagine that, politicians talking about themselves. so weird. thank you very much. it's a race we'll continue to watch. mike, i don't want to forget, that was mainly focused on virginia. we don't want to forget about new jersey, chris christie expected to be reelected. taking a look at those two big governor races, which race do you think has the bigger national implications? what do you think it means when we look ahead to 2014? >> well, obviously in new jersey, chris christie is clearly thinking about the next election after 2013, 2016 and the presidential election so on
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that sense, what happens the margin that chris christie will get, everybody expects him to win. it may be by 20 points. it could be by even more. we'll certainly have people talking the next day, starting tomorrow about that christie presidential campaign. the virginia race on the other hand is a little harder to sort of handicap. it's really unusual race with terry mcauliffe being ahead despite the fact that in the last nine virginia gubernatorial races, the winner of the governor's race has been from the opposite party of the sitting president. that's unusual right there. and then having this whole national discussion about shutdown politics, about obamacare politics, it's harder to sort of look at the national implications of a race that doesn't really follow any of those previous guidelines. jenna: great to have your perspective today. thank you so much. jon: take you now to another closely watched race.
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the g.o.p. primary runoff in alabama. it will fill a congressional seat pitting maybe stream conservative against a tea party backed young. it could be a cliff hanger plus it also gives us a look at divisions within the g.o.p. ahead of the crucial midterm elections next year. this battle carries more weight than an ordinary primary because a republican has represented the district since the civil war era. whoever wins tonight expects to beat the democratic challenger when they face off next month. what's worse than getting your health plan cancelled? paying double for the same policy. we investigate the sticker shock that millions of americans are now facing plus police say he hijacked a bus and stabbed three people to death. what we're now learning about the suspect. and a scary scene at a major airport. passengers literally forced to fly out of the plane's emergency slide. we'll tell you what happened. (announcer) at scottrade, our clients trade and invest
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jenna: new information on some of the stories we're watching around the world, including this ser -- terrifying scene in montreal. a baggage conveyor belt catches fire. at least five people were hospitalized. several others were treated for smoke inhalation and other minor injuries. the cause of this fire is now under investigation. we're also learning new details about the man suspected of stabbing three people to death after hijacking a bus in norway. 31-year-old man is was supposed to be deported today. he's in a hospital for observation. police have not released a motive in the attacks. plus a liable hearing today in portugal.
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parents of madeline mccann seeing a former police officer investigating the disappearance of her daughter after he published a book suggesting the mccanns hit their daughter's body. jon: hundreds of thousands of americans find out their insurance plans are being cancelled because of bap bam care. what is worse is that the same coverage could now burn a hole in their pocket. jim is live in washington with the new pricing plan. >> well, that's right, jon. the current controversy over cancellation of policies would make less of a splash if many of those whose policies are being policies weren't also finding that the same coverage will cost them far more on obamacare. listen. >> what we found was that for the average 27-year-old or 47-year-old man, rates will double. 97 to 99%. for the average 27 to 40-year-old woman, rates would go up by about 55 to 62%.
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>> most of the complaints from individuals aren't so much about their policy's being cancelled. it's about the fact that they're being forced into policies with higher premiums, higher deductibles and limited access to doctors and hospitals. >> i think what most of us on the committee want to know is what are they going to do for the millions of americans that are getting cancellation notices and the sticker shock that's now coming with the increases in premiums that a lot of americans are experiencing? >> administration officials argue that many people will get subsidies which will make health care coverage more affordable. >> these americans do have a choice. they can choose a different plan being offered by their insurer or they can shop for coverage in the marketplace or outside the marketplace. >> numerous people tell fox they either get too little in subsidy or no subsidy at all and face soaring costs. one senator laid out details
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from his state to the c.m.s. director. >> a lot of our state is very rural, very agricultural. in southwest florida today, premiums are doubling. premiums are more than doubling in many cases and health insurance cost is going through the roof. when you said that the website was obtainly tip of the iceberg, you were right. >> now, the cancellation of policies has created a huge raucous over obamacare obviously, but the complaint isn't so much about the loss of current policies. it's that the new ones would cost so much more. jon: keeping track of it all from washington. thank you, jim. jenna: there's controversy over the use of deadly force at our border. what the u.s. patrol chief now says he wants to do despite government recommendations. we're live with that story plus the investigation of the deadly shooting at l.a.x. what the f.b.i. is learning about the suspect as we hear a very moving statement from one t.s.a. agent wounded in the rampage as he speaks about the
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colleague he lost. >> only now it has hit me that i would never see him again. he was a wonderful person and a friend and i will miss him.
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jenna: u.s. border patrol chief weighing in on the use of deadly force against rock throwers at the border. >> that's right. a group that advises law enforcement recently recommended that the border patrol stop the use of deadly force against rock throwers and assailants in vehicles. recommendation from the non profit police executive research forum was part of a broader, internal review of the customs and border protection agency but c.b.p. responded that the proposed curbs were very
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restrictive, in their words, and now the agency's chief announced that border tra past troll agents may use deadly force against rock throwers. he repeated that rocks are lethal weapons and it could potentially put border patrol agents in danger. under current policy, agents can use deadly force if they have a reasonable bloef that their lives or the lives of others are in danger. internal review began next year ahead of the killing of hernandez, an unarmed mexican that died from wounds at the port of san diego. he was being combative while being returned to mexico. the justice department is investigating that killing. hernandez was one of 20 people killed since 2010 and that includes eight who died in rock throwing with agents. jenna: thank you. jon: there are some brand new developments to bring you in the investigation into the deadly
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shooting at l.a.x. as we hear from one of the wounded t.s.a. agents. the police chief defends the deployment of officers at the airport and the f.b.i. finds out more about the suspect and what went down right before the shooting. will carr has more on that live in los angeles. >> hi, jon. first time we're hearing from one of the t.s.a. agents who was shot during this rampage. tony grisby was shot twice, once in the foot while trying to save an elderly man during the shooting and he came out and he said that he's not looking for fame. he's not looking for glory. instead what he wants everyone to remember is hernandez, the t.s.a. agent who was shot and killed. >> only now it has hit me that i will never see him again.
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he was a wonderful person and a friend and i will miss him. >> obviously emotional. grisby plans to return to the t.s.a. after he recovers. according to a search warrant, ciancia had a handwritten note that said he wanted to kill a number of t.s.a. employees. authorities say ciancia took a rifle into terminal three at l.a.x. shot his way past security. some are calling for more armed guards at the airport. at the same time, the chief of police at l.a.x. says he's not sure that anything really could have been done to stop ciancia. they recently changed to a roaming patrol of guards instead of stationary guards at screening areas but he's not sure if it made a difference in this case because he started shooting before he made his way into the screening area. as for ciancia, he's at the hospital. he was shot in the face but he's been appointed a public
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defender. jon: what a sad story. thanks, will. jenna: breaking news coming up on the embattled mayor of toronto. if you've been following this story, lots of accusations about drug use. the mayor apparently on record and we'll have those quotes for you and also we have this coming up. he's accused of killing his wife to carry on an affair with his mistress. the macneill trial enters the fourth week. has the state made a case for murder beyond a reasonable doubt? plus a car that can fly? for real? does it really work? we'll speak with the inventor who says he's come up with the car of the future. >> you won't see any traditional highways in the next 10 years. however, the next 10 years, if like the last 10 years, we'll see 30% more traffic. and where is that going to lead you to? farmer: hello, i'm an idaho potato farmer.
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when a reporter with the embattled mayor which he said about a year ago he probably smoked crack in a drunken stup or. he acknowledged to being drunk in public a couple of times. one of thoem was a city hall st. patrick's day party in which ford was seen by security people walking around city hall with a half empty bottle of french brandy. he's been called a national embarrassment, a fundamentally disfunctional figure who has failed his way to the top. the butt of late night jokes in the united states but amid all the allegations about him being caught smoking crack on tape and now the public admission that he may have smoked crack about a year ago, ford has tried to hang on to his job and says he plans to run for re-election next year. he's also throwing down a political gauntlet demanding the police chief immediately make that public so people can decide for themselves, knowing full
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well that the police chief does not have that within his power to do. and he has gone on, like so many american politicians and public figures have, an apology tour to try to seek redemption. listen. >> friends, i'm the first one to admit, i'm not perfect. i have made mistakes. i have made mistakes and all i can do right now is apologize for the mistakes. >> the big question, can he survive politically? unlike the former mayor of d.c. who was charged and convicted of a crime, rob ford faces no charges and may not face any charges because it's impossible to know even from this tape exactly what he did. he's also very popular politician. he has received more votes directed toward him personally than any other single politician
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because canada does not vote directly for a prime minister. there's an interesting split between people in the suburbs who like his low tax policy and downtown folks who think he's a buffoon. >> the chattering classes, the downtown elite, the champagne socialists, whatever you want to call the people, they can't stand this idea and they have, in the u.s. there was bush derangment syndrome. people here just go nuts at the very mention of his name. >> he has a year before the next election. the old addage goes, a day is a long time, a week is forever. do don't even talk about a year. the existence in this tape, in one poll in a newspaper that's been singly going after him like none other, he went up five points in his popularity rating so a lot of people there in canada saying even with all of this, he might survive to win a second term. jon: they are a forgiving sort
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there in canada. that's the impression. >> i grew up there, yes. i'll tell you, they are. jenna: let's see if we can say the same for the jury in utah. macneill is accused of murdering his wife by knocking her out with prescription drugs and leaving her in a bathtub so he could carry on the affair with his mistress. they're going to call some former cell mates to the stand today. he allegedly told them he was glad thinks wife was dead and authorities wouldn't be able to prove he killed her but the authorities say the inmates never heard a confession. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> dowlin let me start with you. he got wrapped up in a fraud case and that's why he was behind bars with these guys. >> yes. jenna: how good of a witness is
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a former cell mate? how much damage can that cell mate or a few of them make on martin macneill? >> coming right out of the gate, wait a minute. the person is an inmate. they're trying to reduce their own situation, get a better sentence. you can't believe them and then most critically they're not corroborated. however, flip it 180 degree opposite. here we have no less than four inmates are going to come in and say that he admitted to the crime. so in my opinion, it's very, very hard to say what can happen but i will say he definitely is in harm's way with four people saying he'll confess. >> you have not one but four people that are going to come out and say the same thing, that he was glad to get rid of his life. he called her things we can't say on television and they're saying it again and again and again. true, do they want some help? do they want lesser time on their sentence? absolutely. but you got four of them and you don't as a prosecutor.
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you're never able to choose your witnesses that come to you and sometimes they come in the form of snitches. jenna: we're seeing the daughters of martin macneill come forward. one of them had this to say. she was the first year medical student when her mother went in for plastic surgery and she wanted to come home and take care of her but she said her father kept her out of the room, forced her out of the room. she had to stay in her sister's room that night and she found her mom overmedicated and not responding to questions. how damaging are the family in this case? >> that's horrible. the whole thing was never have come to a criminal action but for the daughter, the family is coming forward. family members are coming forward saying we blame our father. can you imagine how that resonates with the jury? forget about the snitches. the fact that the daughters are coming forward resonates much more. jenna: doug, it still comes to the question about reasonable doubt as well and we've had the different medical examiners come
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forward. there's one by the state now that is saying he believes this woman was murdered but there's a series of medical examiners that say that's not the case and it's been years, since 2007, since this alleged murder took place. how does that factor? >> you've always highlighted, and i couldn't agree with you more, that let's face it, not withstanding all the mud slinging, seriously the affairs, his bad behavior, the reality is, we're in a criminal court. we're not in some moral forum or religious forum and they can't prove a lot of other experts have said this, exactly how the woman died. it's a fascinating horse race. the fact of the matter is, all of these other little pieces could lead to a conviction. but on the core issue of how she was killed, they don't really have it. >> she died because her heart stopped. why did her heart stop? because he gave her medication to make her heart stop. that's why she died. >> but you have a medical examiner, the other side of the equation who said it was a
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natural heart related death. >> because her heart stopped. and the cause of her heart stopping was a medication that he forced her to take. >> no medical examiner, sorry for interrupting, no medical examiner said that this heart problem resulted from an action by him. >> but they can show it. they can show it in more ways that -- yes. you do not have an examiner that says exactly that. but jurors are smart. wait. a healthy person went in for a face lift but the husband wanted way more medications than she ever should have had. she could not even see what she was taking at the time because of bandages and she died because her heart stopped. jenna: what about the question of motive? how does that factor in as well? there's a lot of sdrep discrepancies about the cause of death but the daughter said her mother knew about the affair, was confronting him about the affair and he was very uncomfortable with that. that was right before the surgery. the time line, the
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circumstantial evidence that lis is pointing to, and overwhelming or paints a doubt? >> it paints a picture of him rushing her into the face lift, telling the doctor he wanted higher dosages of medication, him giving it to her. it pace a compelling picture. but again, to achieve a murder conviction beyond a reasonable doubt is a little tricky. at the end of the day, i score the case a little bit more in favor of the prosecutors but i have no hesitancy in saying that there could be a hung jury. jenna: you say it's a strong circumstantial case. >> exactly. jenna: i like how doug raises his hand to stop you even though he's in a different studio. you guys can read each other's minds. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. jon: well, it may be the future of transportation. flying cars. how will they work? are they safe? coming up we'll talk to a man who is actually invented one of
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these vehicles about the pros and cons of highways in the sky?
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>> if you like your plans -- >> you can keep your plans. >> if you like your plan -- >> you keep your plan. >> you keep your plan. >> that's what the president said. >> see you at the top of the hour. >> be there. jon: it is being called the car of the future. a high speed aircraft with vertical takeoff and landing capability that can go on the roads and also fly. how exact sdl this thing work?
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is it safe? joining me now, engineer paul muller, president and founder of the developer of what he calls the sky car. you founded your company 30 years ago. i guess you've been dreaming about building this thing longer than that and you're finally getting close to putting it into the air. huh? >> yes. it's a complicated project because it involves so many different components to make happen. you know, basically what we're trying to do is imitate the hummingbird, really, make a mechanic hummingbird that can give you the degree of mobility that a hummingbird provides and that's been the objective for many years and there are many technologies that had to come together to make that happen. jon: why does it have to be a vertical takeoff? most people who work on flying cars just have a set of wings that fold into the fuselage or are taken off to drive it as a car. >> that's really the most
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important issue because typic typically the flying car is a vehicle that drives down a -- slides down a runway and takes off, then converts to -- when it lands converts to a car and drives around but that's a big compromise and more important than anything else, that vertical takeoff component gets you free from a runway and that really -- if you have to have a runway, you really don't have something that everybody can use. jon: this thing you're working on now is a four passenger so you really could put mom and dad and the kids in this thing if it's safe, right? >> the one we're demonstrating is a four passenger. the one we'll start with initially is a two passenger but ultimately the four passenger will be available in a couple of years from now. jon: any idea what these things will cost? >> that's always a related issue, right? if you can produce enough of these, boeing as well as ourselves have established it should be the price of a quality automobile. not going to start out that way because the numbers aren't going to be there. jon: and the one that you have been testing, i understand, is
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bound for the smithsonian. >> certainly the smithsonian has been very interested in what we've been doing and has asked us to protect it until they could have it rabl to them after we've completed our flight tests. jon: i read you have 850 horse power getting this off the ground. where do you get that kind of power? >> that is really the key element of this whole thing. you put your finger right on exactly how it's possible. it's because we put together an engine. this is an example of it. an engine that puts out as much power as your lawn mower engine and you can see the size of it. of course, we scale that up on our aircraft. you have a engine that weighs 65 pounds and we have eight of them. we have 1600 horse power on the vehicle if we need it for emergency purposes. jon: wow. and you're going to invite people to get involved in funding the rest of this thing as you head toward the finish line? >> certainly raising money has
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been our biggest problem as we've gone along because people are -- certainly people with a large amount of money are reluctant to get involved in a project that may take a number of years to complete so much of the interest in our projects come from person on the street who blefs in the future of a flying car and so we have introduced this crowd funding opportunity where anybody can participate in return for contributing some funds to this first official flight that the f.a.a. has basically put together the rules for, we will provide them with the memorabilia specific to the flight that they can put forward as a part of the team that made this all happen. jon: we are going to continue to watch the sky car as it moves toward certification. hope it goes well. jenna is getting out the checkbookment she wants to write a check. paul, the inventor of this scar
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car, we appreciate it. thank you. jenna: what do you think, jon? going for a ride? jon: i would go for a ride. get the thing certified, sure. jenna: i think it looks cool. that would ab maze to go see that flying around manhattan. jon: that's where you need it. jenna: we'll bring you developments on the flying car. in the meantime, charlie sheen is back in court. what his ex-wife is accusing charlie of now. fox 411 investigates. julie is on the case for sure. [ paper rustles, outdoor sounds ] ♪ [ male announcer ] laura's heart attack
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jon: a judge refusing to grand brook mueller a restraining
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order against her former husband. why couldn't i speak? charlie sheen. this after he allegedly went on a tirade calling her evil and threatening her as well. julie has the fox 411 on that. >> this story will leave you speechless, i have to say. it includes nearly every woman that charlie sheen has kids with seems to hate him at some point. first it was denise richard and then his third ex-wife who recently filed a restraining order against sheen only to have it rejected by a judge yesterday. she alleges sheen threatened her life. both muler and sheen who is 47, have both struggled with drug and alcohol abuse over the years and their twin boys are actually in sheen's ex-denise's custody. i'll leave that alone. that's kind of weird. brook fired the temporary restraining order against sheen last week following his tirade when he told tmz live, brook is an evil whore who is putting their twins in danger.
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in her petition, brooks quotes charlie saying i will exercise every resource at my disposal. i will, i mean, i will, i will empty my entire war chest and if i can't get it done, i know a goi who can. brock insists she's stayed sober and he's trying to sabotage her. meantime, another celebrity whose troubles have caught more attention. amanda bynes. after months of counselling she'll be a free woman come christmas. docto doctors will release the troubled actress to her mom next month. her most recent arrest was last may at her home in manhattan for possession of marijuana. police claimed that bynes threw a bong from her window of her high rise apartment. she later said the arresting officer sexually harassed her and slapped her in her private
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parts. the police department denied that accusation. jon: pretty hard to believe amanda bynes. >> she'll be a free woman soon. jon: that's scary. jenna: a treasure trove of priceless art. where it turned up, we'll tell you next. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day.
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ninvestigators say the masterpieces were professionally stored and said to be in good condition. they face the daunting task of getting the artwork back to the rightful owners. >> hopefullyel that make it home. >> thanks for joining us everybody. >> bill and ally up next. in the hot seat again. back for a second time to defend obama care. welcome to hq. i am alisyn camerota. nand i am bill hemmer. glad to see you off of elevator. >> i got off. >> tough questions of putting the president's words in the law. >> why not put the president's words in to law and simply say if you like the plan you have. we'll not decide. if you like the plan you have you can cope it without changing the thing. that's what is on the white house website today. >>


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