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i'm chris wallace. president obama faces new questions about how he's waging the war on terror. in a he prevacation news conference the president discusses government surveillance. >> i want to make clear once again that america is not interested in spying on ordinary people. >> the threat facing americans overseas. >> we are not going to completely eliminate terrorism p. what we can do is weaken it. >> the state of relations with rush why and battle over obama care. >> the one unifying principle in the republican party at the moment is making sure that 30 million people don't have healthcare. >> we'll get reaction to all of you from senator john mccain, just back from the middle east.
plus, war over planned projects by cnn and nbc, on the life and career of hillary clinton. the gop now threatening to block both networks from hosting primary debates. >> the parent companies are choosing to promote hillary clinton when they know darn well that she is getting ready to run for president. >> we'll ask two key political strategists joe trippi and chip saltsman, is the race for 2016 already on. and the power play of the week still with mike tyson. and hello again from fox news in washington. president obama has left the capital for his summer vacation. he arrived if martha's vineyard after his first full press conference in more than three months. and he made news on the government surveillance program
relations with russia, and our war against al qaeda. he is not senator john mccain, republican leader on national security who just returned from the mideast joins us now from arizona. senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris. >> president obama said friday he wants to reform the government's surveillance program. add safe guards. make the whole program more transparent. republican congressman pete king, a member of the house intelligence committee said this. that he called it a monumental failure of war time leadership. senator mccain was right. >> i think it's pretty clear that there's been failures throughout that have led to mr. snowden now being granted asylum in russia. there is now a large percentage of americans particularly young americans, who view mr. snowden as some kind of a whistleblower
when we know he betrayed his oath of office. there is some young that believe he is some kind of jason bourn. we need to ask questions, like why did mr. snowden have access to what he had access to. it couldn't have been his job. what about congressional oversight. have we had a failure there? and clearly mr. snowden granted asylum in russia is a signal of incredibly bad relations between the united states and russia and mr. putin putting his thumb right in america's eye. >> let's talk about some of the specific reforms that president obama suggested. let's put them up on the screen. have a privacy advocate argue against government. tighten mass collection of phone records. be more transparent about
surveillance. do you think those are good ideas or could they impede our ability to stop any terrorist who has means to do us harm? >> there's a careful balance here between preserving our assets and capabilities and making sure that the american people are convinced that their privacy is not being violated. and it is a careful balance. right now as i mentioned, there is a generational change here. young americans do not trust this government. without trust in government then you can't did a lot of things. so i don't disagree with any of those proposals of the presidents. but i also would ask how in the world that we have all of these thousands of contractors and people like snowden who may have access to information that there is no reason for them to have. we used to have a thing called need-to-know. clearly mr. snowden did not need to know the information he is now revealing.
it is also revealing the state of our relations with rushsia and mr. putin. >> i will get to that in a moment. but first, breaking news. the state department reopened 18 of 19 missions and consulates, diplomatic posts across the middle east, north africa near asia. did the administration do the right thing in closing those embassies to respond to the terror threat or as some of our foreign partners say, did it in effect be an act of retreat on this part of the country against the threats in the middle east? >> i'm not sure it was a matter of retreat. but it authenticates the incredible threat that al qaeda poses to the united states of america and our embassies and consulates throughout north america. you can't say on one hand you have destroyed quote core al qaeda. that is semantic gym mastics which is remarkable.
you can't say that and at the same time close embassies and consulates all oest mideast. look al qaeda is on the rise. they have been on the rise. they continue to penetrate. they have almost a free zone in the iraq/syria syrias that border iraq is now -- excuse me. al qaeda is strengthening everyday in every way because of a lack of american leadership and policy. the only american policy i can think of that president obama is practicing is one he is not bush and second that the united states is withdr we are withdrawing. and when you do that, and when you say that then things get a lot worse than they are and they continue to get worse and without that policy, without a strong policy we are in trouble. let me give you an example. the president said, if assad used chemical weapons it would
cross the line and be a game-changer. we now know for sure that assad used chemicals weapon. what has united states done? maybe in ways provide light weapons to the resistance which is not doing anything of benefit. and bashir assad is succeeding. >> i want to play what president obama has said about the state of al qaeda the last year. take a look. >> today, al qaeda is on the run and osama bin laden is dead. >> for al qaeda is a shell of its former self. groups must be dealt with. >> the united states is never going to retreat from the world. >> we don't get terrorized. >> senator, a moment ago, you said al qaeda is on the rise. you are not subjecting that al qaeda is stronger than it was
pre9/11. >> i'm saying they me taft sized in a way they may pose threat threats throughout the middle east, they can destabilize missions, have acts of terror literally everywhere and there the perception throughout the mid aeflteastdle east that there is no policy and that there is accommodation it that reality. when they believe that, then you are going to see extremist element on the rise and clearly they are throughout the middle east. action of closing embassies shows they are mounting threats everywhere in the middle east against the united states of america and they are playing in ways that is going to pose challenge to the united states for years to come. >> you talked earlier about russia. i want to get back to that.
obama cancelled a meeting with putin earlier this week. he also made it clear he want to continue to do business with russia. take a look at what the president said. >> i know the press likes to focus on body language and he's got that kind of slouch looking like the bored kid in the back of the classroom. but the truth is is that when we're in conversations together, often times it is very productive. >> senator, is the relationship productive? is canceling the summit enough or should we get tougher with putin and russia? >> the president comparing him to a kid in the back of the classroom, i think is very indicative of the president's lack of appreciation of who vladimir putin is. he is an old kgb colonel that has no illusions about our relationship, does not care about a relationship with the united states. continues to owe press his people. continues to owe press the media and continues to act in an
unhelpful fashion by continuing, for example, to veto resolutions in the united nations secure ut council concerning assad's atrocities in syria. look, what -- and the fact that cancelled the meeting, that's fine. it is imbolic. we need to expand the migniski act, and that is holding people responsible for actions this rush why. we need to emphasize human rights and we also need very badly to understand obama doesn't have any putin relationship in any authority and treat him in a realistic fashion. that is how to treat mr. putin.
not just cancel a meeting. earlier in the week you were trying to convince the government they were backing to again to release political prisoners and to reach out to demonstrators, muslim brotherhood in the street and try to persuade them to go back it a democratic system. generals not only rebuffed you but said they would crack down if they didn't clear the streets pretty quickly. question, what do you think should happen if the generals go ahead with their threat and violently crack down on the muslim brotherhood protesting? should we cut off aid to egypt and wh would that do to the chances of deinvolving into a civil war?
>> when the united states of america refuses to call a military takeover of a government -- refuses to call that a coup then it is hard for us to urge them to observe the rule of law and constitution. but there's no doubt that president morrissey abused his power as president and there is uprising against morsi. but now it is a coup and we may have jailed leaders of the previous government and that is not the way to bring about reconciliation. they are charging mr. morsi and others with crimes, for example in his case, before he ran for president and we urged the release of some of the political prisoners, the answer was it was a judicial matter. it is not a judicial matter. it is the orders of the new government and military. i worry a great deal.
there's still around 30% of the people that support the muslim brotherhood. we could see eruption and bloodshed that would be hoe horrendous. >> let me quickly ask you because we are running out of time. >> sure. >> if this do crack down are you going to call in aid for egypt. >> i'm afraid the congress of the united states would have to consider carefully ending aid. it is not just aid. it is economy tourism relationship legitimacy in the world and a lot of other things and i'm afraid they are not appreciative of it while demonizing the united states of america in the streets. it is a sad thing to see. >> senator we have less than a minute left. i want it ask you one and final question. you have been spending a lot of time with president obama recently. talking about foreign policy pushing immigration reform. you helped work out a deal for the senate to stop filibustering
some of his nominees an jay leno asked the president about it this week. take a look. >> i remember you two had lovers quarrel for a while. and now you're all -- >> well, that is how -- that's how a classic romantic comedy goes. >> i was going to ask you, are you going soft on obama but i have to say from some of your answers today, it is clear you're not. so it is a romantic comedy or tragedy? >> i think it is a situation where i will work with the president and the american people want us to. look at the approval ratings and i will work with the president where i can. but m in places like syria where a hundred thousand people tortured, raped murder, mayhem is taking place with increasing influence of muslim extremists, that is something that i have to fight against and we need a coherent national security policy, particularly in the middle east but in the world.
and we don't have that right now. and i intend to do what i can to restore america's prestige and influence, which is on the wane. >> thank you for the romantic comedy. it is always good to talk with you sir. >> thank you, sir. >> hillary clinton and chris christie run strong in early polls. let the talk of 2016 begin. two veterans presidential campaigns, join us next. ♪
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hillary clinton and that the republican party will just go ahead and get along. >> reince priebus threatening two networks will be locked out of president bl debates if they go along with film project about hillary clinton. joining us to discuss political situations for 2014 and '16 are chip saltsman who managed huckabee's run for the white house and joe trippi who worked on the campaigns of ted kennedy and walter mon do you. should they good ahead and act on the threat from chairman priebus if nbc and cnn don't back out and there is talk that fox television would get involved also. should they act on this? >> they are very excited that chairman is doing this.
this is one of the things where the chairman will lay down the gauntlet. will they pull their hillary clinton mini series in no. i think is good fund-raising on both sides too. >> let me ask you about that, too, do they look strong or silly? and in a practical sense with a diane lane mini series because she apparently signed up for the mini series to play hillary clinton, to bolster the campaign in 2016. >> i agree with chris. this is great fund-raising strategy from the rnc. but, no i don't think -- the reason networks are doing this is because of how formidable a candidacy clintons would be. she is so formidable. there is a story there, they think. but also, look democratic party, they did this with fox. protested. did a boycott. it doesn't work. i mean, the last time i checked fox is doing pretty well with its viewers. i don't think this will work. it is good for the base. jabs them up raises money.
but that's about all -- the only impact it will have, chris. >> meanwhile, there is a new poll out of new hampshire that shows a couple of interesting things. let's but that up on the screen. new jersey governor chris christie has the lead at 21%. senator marco rubio is back in fifth place at 6%. back in april. rubio was tied with christie for had the lead at 15%. couple of questions chip why is christie so strong, not only in that poll but a bunch of national polls. and secondly, has rubio been hurt that badly by his support for comprehensive immigration reform? >> i don't think there is any question it's been hurt. from iowa it south carolina and really all over the country. this is the issue that everybody -- they thought rubio would be in kind of new republican that would lead us to the white house in 2016. get up there and trying it start making deals this is the problem we've all got. we've got to get something done. it hurts you in the national polls. >> what about chris christie?
he is the hot hand at the national level. if you take it down to the microcosm in the primary states not so much. he is doing well with independence and regular republicans but with the right hand of the party, he is not so popular. >> i want to ask you both about the news conference and his reaction from the threat of some republicans to shut down the government if obama care is not defunded. take a look. >> the idea that you would should down the government unless you prevent 30 million people from getting healthcare, is a bad idea. >> joe the president was all but taunting the republicans, you know, saying go ahead, try to link a defunding obama care to shut down of the government. make my day. do democrats just love the prospect of republicans going down this road? >> i don't know if they love it but it is a good tactic.
>> good tactic for whom? >> for the president. look, what's going on here is that people want -- they want it repealed. they may want it changed. but they don't want the government shut down to happen to force that to happen. so the president daring them to do it. it is helpful for 2014. republicans are going to go on record. they are either going to force a shut down. we've been through this before, didn't work too well with newt gingrich and the republican string the last one. i think trying to push against republicans but making sure if they do it there will be a cost. >> chip, republican leaders the leaders in the house and senate hate this idea of linking obama care, defunding to whether or not the government gets funded. but i've got to say, i talked to a lot of tea party republicanes who say it is time to put up or shut up. if you really hate obama care, the power of the purse is the way can you stop it. you can't end it, but delay it
by a year by defunding it. >> i want it put up a very interesting poll this weekend. gallup's latest poll. obama's approval rating is down to 41%. it hasn't been lower than that in almost two years. chip what are the political stakes here for the gop. have you a somewhat vulnerable president. a lot of growing doubts about him on obama care and other issues. on the other hand, do you really want to take the microsofthostage and say, no obama care. >> he is driving hi approval ratings down. the white house believes if it can get some fight on the government shut down it makes him president again. there is no question our party wants this vote. they are okay with shutting down the government. you have literally control of the united states senate hanging and balancing on as the party goes over the next six months we will decide if we get control over the united states senate based on obama care or not. that depend on who we elect if
the pry primary, can they beat dem krts krats -- >> yeah, but will that help the republicans in 2014 or hurt them? >> i think it cuts both ways. helps people run in primaries in senate races but hurts candidates and maybe our strongest in the general. >> this is the entire problem they've had for 2010 and 2012. the republicans should have the u.s. senate. they should have gained it in 2010 and doubled up on it in 2012 but because they have this fight and vote on shutting down the government could end up again nominating people like sharron angle sharron angle and why they nominated her in nevada. looks like 2014, republicans should have a great shot at senate. may not happen. >> okay let's talk about that.
let's look at landscape for 2014 after a special election in new jersey, which the democrats are expected to win in october there will likely be we will assume that, 55 senators voting with democrats. 45 republicans. which mean the gop will need a net pick up, net pick up of six seats to take back the senate. but republicans have one advantage. they are defending only 15 seats in 2014 while democrats are defending 20 seats they now hold. chip, i know it is a little silly but we like to play these games. looking at it from the vaptage point of summer 2013 how good are republican prospects for november of 2014? >> i'm going third time's a charm and we will win in it2004 and joe is right, we should have got it in 2010. i love where the seats are. i love going up against -- >> freshman republican congressman who will run against
mark pryor in a red state. >> where obama has 20% approval rating and defunding obama care may be an issue to elect him in the general. >> and let me ask you, republicans have another advantage. they have only two open seats take a look at this, two states where due to retirement they have seen saltsman -- there we go while democrats have five open seats including in the red states of montana, south dakota and west virginia that are now blue -- have a good chance they are, i would say typically red states, how do you make 2014 the race for the senate? >> well, first off, chip is right. except for the third time's a charm thing, i think what's happening here is again in these primaries, like have you mitch
mcconnell in kentucky. mike bevins of the tea party is hit on the right. have a tough primary fight and at the same time have a real life challenger within the democratic party. and he is going to get pinched by both sides in this thing. they are on the verge i think of blowing a third opportunity because of the fights they are having within the party. seniors for the first time are starting to move away from republicans in the polls, and it looks like they feel the party has gone too extreme. so yes, democrats carrying barack obama and his policies and republicans like cotton carrying the notion that maybe the party has gone too extreme again in the senate, as it did in 2010 and 2012.
>> whipchip, briefly, kentucky, the senate republican leader in a tough fight against bevin webs first of all in primary. a faerty favorite and supposing he survives that he would go uch against allisonlander began grimes in the general election. mcconnell in trouble? >> i think that's what the media will say tri to say, he loves the political fights in his life. he has been doing it 30 years. he has a great base in kentucky and relishes the opportunity to take his record of kentucky and fight every step waist. he will be at every county. he is still a grass roots politician that loves this stuff. i think you will see him on top in november. >> i should also point out, if you think we are silly talking about this in a year and half ahead of time, in kentucky all three candidates are all up with ads, hammering each other already. chip and joe, thank you for coming in today. we will stay on top of all of this. next up, we will bring in our sunday panel.
>> former c.e.o. of hewlett-packard and the reporter for the white house and the associated press. president obama wants to strike the right balance, he says between our freedoms and our security in proposing reforms of government surveillance and the aclu said he has not gone far enough and some conservatives said he is jeopardizing our safety in an effort to satisfy groups like the aclu. does that mean, bill he got the ball just right? or he totally messed it up? >> we don't know what he proposed, it was so vague. he has been president 4 1/2 years you would assume he would be attending to the programs. i would think there probably is a balance so if he wants to
tweak it he can but he needs to row assure people and he did to some degree he is paying attention and there is no rampant violation of privacy. >> it is interesting, senator lieberman, the president criticized n.s.a. leaker edward snowden as no patriot and he and the administration have been tougher and charged him with violating espionage but in effect, he was saying the leaks had raised legitimate concerns on the part of the american people about whether their privacy is being violated. does that cast the hole snowed were case in a different light? >>guest: i hope not. i believe the programs are critically important to our security almost is no ever presented that n.s.a. surveillance programs have compromised anyone's civil liberties or privacy. this is anxiety that has been aroused by the revelation. i think the president so far has stood by the programs and defended them. obviously, snowen, in my
opinion, he is a criminal and he is the reason why the president said what he did on friday. the president was interesting he said in an indirect way he continues to have confidence in the n.s.a. surveillance program but he wants to act and reassure the public to have similar confidence. i don't think he would do that if snowden had not violated the laws in the way he did. >> do you think he needed to take the steps, for instance, to haven a advocate who will oppose the government in the fisa court or should he just have stood firm? >>guest: the advocate is a good idea. it gives due process. there will be an independent person to represent the other side in a closed secret proceeding which has to remain closed. we don't know what the rest -- what the president is proposing and i worry because again, these are critically important programs to our national security. i wish someone maybe my former colleagues in congress, would
take a look at the other side of this from civil liberties and privacy and investigate, how did snowden break this system? how did he compromise our security? also how did he devalue the intelligence the american taxpayers have spent billions to develop for our security? >>chris: switching subjects the state department today, is re-opening 18 of the 19 diplomatic posts that it closed across the middle east and north africa last week of the in may at the natural defense university the president talked how he started to lay the groundwork for ending this war on terror. does the threat from al-qaeda and the fairly strong response from the president, show he was premature to talk about that? >>guest: of course. i thought it was odd. this war, like all wars must come to an end.
that denies the fact that al-qaeda is at least partly in charge of when the war is over. clearly al-qaeda and their affiliates have decided the war is going on for a very long time. obama has looked consistently thigh eve about there and i think he has been driven by political purposes. however, he was absolutely right to close the embassies and take very forthright action to protect american lives and perhaps benghazi had nothing to do with that. >>chris: and how big a factor julie, do you think benghazi was in the president's reaction, we would not be accused of underreacting? along those lines, there was an interesting point that hasn't gotten so much attention be the president talked about a sealed inindictment. those are sealed for a reason, because they are secret. the president talked about the sealed indictment of some of theally perpetrators of benghazi attack but he said really, we
were the ones who located the story the previous day. how embarrassed is the white house about the fact that the president owned up to the fact they are talking about a seed indictment of some of the alleged perpetrators? >>guest: i don't think they are embarrassed. it was purposeful he talked about it. you don't hear presidents talk about sealed indictments publicly however, but the effect of benghazi on their policies and reactions it has been hugely important. if you remember back do when he may comments about the situation in egypt the first thing he said was not about what was happening with the military or president morsi but what the united states would do with the embassy in cairo. that has changed how the united states feels it has to react publicly and these other countries. the embassies are huge targets, the most visible united states presence in a lost countries where a lot of people voice strong anti-american sentiment. >>chris: bill, what do you
make of the personal shots and we played some of john mccain personal shots president obama took at putin talking about him as the bored kid slouching in the back of the classroom and canceling the summit but saying i want to continue to do business with russia. >>guest: that is a leak talking about the core al-qaeda and discussing that and they leak this stuff to defend their own actions or excuse their own failures. previous presidents would take the hit on this stuff, they would not say well we intercepted a conference call they said we do the right thing for the country. that is distressing about the obama administration they get criticism and they leak something, great. so now al-qaeda knows that
what they thought was highly secret cable, now they know we are on to them. rather than keeping quiet and finding people they put out the fact they have a sealed indictment. this does trump, i'm afraid, national security. >>chris: when we come back, president obama dares republicans to shut down the government over obamacare. plus, a changing of the guard at one of the pill alreadies of the -- one of the pillars of the news establishment. >> the "washington post" is known as newspaper that brought down a president. >> it played an important role in journalisms and american policy. >> the william weapon sold the "washington post" to jeff bezos and what and this mean for the word of newspapers? we will ask our panel, next. what does this ♪ ♪ [ lighter flicking
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defund obama care. even at the cost after government shut down. we are back now with the panel. democrats clearly think and can you see it there that republicans would be making, summer republicans, making a grievous mistake were they to tie obama care to funding the government, carly. are the democrats why? would it be a bad mistake? >> i do think they're right unfortunately. i think the republicans honestly have missed an opportunity here. i believe obama care is an owe bomb nation. it will not work. 2600 pages under political heat will be a disaster. my fear is we will end up so negatively impacking a sixth of our economy that it will be very hard it recover. so i understand the emotion behind, this is our last shot. when i say, i think the republicans have missed an opportunity, i don't think the american people are particularly satisfied with an answer that says let's repeal it but we don't know what we will do instead.
so what i would have hope said that over the last four plus years there would have been thoughtful people, saying, the original goal is right. access to affordable healthcare. here is what we should do instead. and there is no "instead." i think that will be a big problem. >> i want to pick up on that aspect of this whole debate, senator leiberman. even acknowledgement of bumps in the road, obama care starting in october, but through the rest of 2014, what do you think are the chances that the roll out of the program will end up being a burden for democrats next year and in the november campaign rather than a plus? >> well the fact is this is what the debate is all about. this is all about politics. it is all -- it is not really about policy. because obama care is not going to be defunded because if it was defunded by the house, it would not pass the senate. it would pass the senate,
president would veto it along with it being revealed for the next three and a half years. >> i'm asking you a different question in terms of policy is obama care going to be good for the democrats as a -- people deal with it in 2014 or bad? >> this is what this is about. i think the president was in a very strong position at the press conference. and i think it is a real not only substantive, in the way that carly just talked about republicans haven't um can up with an alternative to obama care, but it is a real political challenge. all of the republicans are doing the same no. and people remember that before obama care there was a problem which was, 30 plus million people didn't have insurance. a lot of them were getting healthcare and we were paying for it. and the cost of insurance was going sky high. so the answer to how is it going to play out politically in 2014? i don't know. but if you view the president's statement on friday, he and democrats are heading toward the
higher ground here. better ground politically. >> phil? >> i hate to say that joe is wrong, but even homer nods occasionally. in this case he is dead wrong. i agree there shoulding an alternative. they are working on one. i believe it'll be introduced early next year. there were other alternatives, but they were too slow and there were disagreements. however, delaying exchanges and insisting congress play bit rest of the rules as the con try,country, those are good things. this is a total winner and republicans should make that case over the next two months and make it aggressively. >> the problem for republican says that their argument is overtaken by people like ted cruz. >> i don't agree with that. >> no he is not focussing on shutting down. they want to keep up the rest of the government.
i think it was unwise defunding obama care to be the lead. i think republicans by labor day will be in good shape. >> that's where i want to get to. because i think in the end, the politics will wouldn't be the politics. the policy will be the toppolitics. how worried are they in the white house about how many young people will sign up. what does it mean to average person's coverage. what does it mean to the average person's premiums. how worried are they about how ama care will work the next 12 to 15 months. >> they are have anxious. particularly who signs up for exchanges. the exchanges only work if you have very specific people to sign up. young people healthy people who won't be a drag on the system. so you will see it, you will see it ramp up in particularly october 1st when the exchange it
open. campaign style effort that will resemble in a lot of ways actual voter registration and get out the vote for the presidential campaign. they know if they don't get the people to sign up the exchange system won't work. if the exchange system doesn't work, it has a broad impact on the rest of the policies as well. >> i want to switch subjects if we can in the time we have left. that's is the news business made big news, because the graham family. there you see don and katherine graham and executive editor, legendary had editor ben bradley, sold the post sewned- 80 years they sold it to jeff bezos a guy that is worth a guy worth about $25 billion. carly, as a former mogul in i silicon valley yourself what are your thoughts? >> i think the personal relationship between don graham and jeff besos was very important. they've come to know each other, trust each other, like each other over many years. i think that's important when you're selling a family heirloom
so s to speak. secondly i think it says the obvious things. alw the printed newspaper business is as we have always known it is s the dying. technology is the answer. and so in some ways this was a very surprising announcement. in another way it's a very tensio logical n.extension. frankly, i was less surprised that don graham sold the post and more surprised jeff besos bought the post. because i think to use an ecause analogy from a technology company, whenever you have to have a huge innovation, you needg abou to have new people thinking about it. and i -- i wonder whether trying to keep the traditional paper ive alive is actually going to slow down the thinking of what do we do with this great legacy item e do to keep it fresh and relevant? >> senator lieberman, when you ot look, it's not just the post.we we've seen it with the boston globe, theti los angeles times. when you look at these families who own these great newspapers for decades now forced to sell
because because, quite frankly, they can't figure out how to make money in the new internet world,worr does ity worry you? >> yeah. me, it worries me. there's an old latin expression on which i'll do in english.ange because i don't remember the latin. all things change. we change with them. the internet has obviously affected the way people are getting news. fewer people are buying newspapers and fewerle people are g reading newspapers. there's hope in besos coming into the post. i'm sure donald graham has this hope. which is isthat "the post" has an asset which good newspapers have which is journalists.ing people still need the news, want the news. i would guess he's going to do the some creating things in using the talents of the journalists to give news in different loss formats. there's a loss here. it's happening all over america.ng we're losing the local ownership of the "washington post." the graham family has always felt they were heading a great national newspaper but they were
washingtonians. don graham would come up thio the hill to lobby for education aid for the washington schools. for scholarships for kids from washington. with all respect to jeff besos c all i know admiral onperson, that local contact is going to be >> gone. that's a loss. >> fact is before he became a newspaper man to learn the city a cou he actually worked for apl couple of years, don graham did, as a ng cop. >> that's right. >> here working the beat.. i mean he really led not only newspapers, but also the city. >> he did.ly and he saw the ownership of the newspaper as a public trust. which is not what the people coming into ownership of newspapers see the paper as. is a that's a loss.>> c >> thank you, panel. see you next week. and remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus. you can find iton on our website. foxnewssunday.com. make sure to follow us on twitter @foxnewssunday. up next. power player of the week. from the ring to the stage. a former champ reinvents himself. reinevents himself.
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♪ ♪ >> chris: when i when i heard mike tyson was going to be in town this spring, i immediately wanted to sit down with him. some folks here weren't so sure. but as we showed you in may, he was funny and honest and surprisingly introspective. once again here's an unusual power player of the week. >> i couldn't be better. i'm talking about financially i
suck. but spiritually and emotionally, it couldn't be better. if i was to die today i was overpaid in life. >> reporter: this is a story about survival. mike tyson who came from nothing was heavyweight champion at 20. was knocked out at 23. spent three years in prison for rape. and has lived to talk about it. you're a vegan? >> yeah. >> you're off drugs? >> thank god. >> you're off alcohol? >> double thank god. >> so have you cleaned up your act? >> i'm just -- i'm living life on life's terms. i was the champion of the nation at 14 years old. i was well on my way. >> for almost a year, tyson toured the country in a one-man show. in which he told his story. the good, the bad, and the very ugly. >> after i left prison i have to admit, i was scared. >> what's the difference between being on stage and being in the ring? >> you don't have to go to the hospital after the show.
>> how much money do you think you made in your career? >> everyone's told me i made 300 or $400 million. i made a lot of money. >> all right. how much of it is left? >> none. none. >> how is that possible? >> i don't care how much money you have. if you don't -- it's an art in how you take care of money. if you don't do that, it means nothing. >> tyson says he's not getting rich off his show. just enough to support his third wife and seven children. and pay the irs a little of the millions he owes the government. >> i don't have a glamorous lifestyle or anything. >> and do you miss that? >> no. i'm old. >> old? what are you, fort -- >> 46 yeah. >> what am i? >> a dinosaur. >> he has some causes now. he started mike tyson cares which helps disadvantaged kids with food and shelter and support in school. and he's joined the campaign to get a presidential pardon for jack johnson. the first black heavyweight
champion who was convicted of taking his white girlfriend across state lines. >> in 1910, black people were not even considered human beings. really almost still property. so he really deserves a second chance post humously. >> looking back he says the person he hurt worst was himself. >> no doubt about that. no doubt about that at all. >> evander holyfield would say you hurt him too. >> i'm sorry. >> why did you do that? why did you hurt yourself? >> i didn't understand. i was a wild, crazy kid at the time. i'm not doing it now. i think about my mentality a lot now. i'm 46 and i got a 2-year-old. what the -- what am i thinking? i'm a former junky, you know what i mean? i had a bunch of fights, got hit in the head a lot. what the hell am i thinking
about? hell of a life, huh, christopher. >> tyson's tour wrapped up this spring. you'll get another chance to see it. hbo taped his one-man show to run later this year. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next "fox news sunday." this is the "fox report." tonight panic at one of our nation's busiest airports. the suspicious package opened. workers getting sick. and the first tests come back positive for nerve gas. and a half world away from america, our symbols of freedom have reopened their doors in some of the most hostile places for our people to work and live