tv America Live FOX News October 17, 2011 10:00am-12:00pm PDT
that's me at the controls of my delta flight. the pilot recognized me, invited me up front, and he's running for congress in ohio. jenna: that's very cool. sounds like a great trip. thanks for sharing the photos, jon. jon: thank you. and we'll see you tomorrow. megyn: this is a fox news alert on breaking developments in the disappearance of 11-month-old lisa irwin. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. the fbi and police are now back at the home of lisa irwin's parents and conducting a search not far away from that house, we are told. they are also, we understand, turning the dogs, search dogs, to the irwins' family car trying to search for little lisa's scent two weeks after the baby first went missing. police have yet to crack this case, although they are doing their level best. continuing to say that they have no suspects. but yesterday "america live" unearthing major new
developments in this story. i flew to kansas city, missouri, and sat down for a two-hour, one-on-one interview with little lisa's parents, deborah bradley and jeremy irwin. they say their daughter was snatched from her crib in the middle of the night 14 days ago. now, after countless searches and no new clues, still no sign of this beautiful little girl. my interview in one minute. first, a refresher on how we got here. on october 4th lisa's father arrives home from work as an electrician at 4 a.m. to find lisa missing from her crib. it was the one and only night he worked an overnight shift. the parents give police several interviews, but two days later police claim the parents are no longer cooperating, a charge the family denies. on october 9th police return to the irwins' home to reenact a possible break-in and abduction. then yesterday lisa's mother admitting in an interview with
"america live" that she was drunk the night of her daughter's disappearance, that she blacked out and that she has no memory of checking on her little baby at any point after 6:30 p.m. that night. let's talk about the wine. how much did you consume that day? >> i had several, several glasses of wine. megyn: when you say several, more than three? >> yeah. but that has nothing to do with her. megyn: more than five? >> probably. megyn: more than ten? >> no. [laughter] megyn: was it just wine, or -- >> yeah, just wine. lisa was in bed, and the boys were laying down watching a movie with the neighbor's daughter. megyn: were you drunk? >> yeah. megyn: do you have a drinking problem? >> no. i don't think so. megyn: some folks are going to have an issue with you -- >> oh, i'm sure you are.
megyn: -- more than five drinks while you're looking after a baby and two boys. >> she was sleeping. i don't see the problem in me having my grown-up time. i take care of my kids. i do their laundry, i kiss their boo boos, i fix them food, i'm involved in their school stuff. i mean, to me there's nothing wrong with me doing what i want to do after dark. as soon as i'm done drinking, i go right to bed. megyn: is this what happened on this night? >> right. which is why i don't do it until my kids are in bed. megyn: does it happen every night? >> no. megyn: how drunk were you? >> just drunk. megyn: i mean, were you slurring your words, were you stumbling? >> i don't think so, no. megyn: is it possible you had a blackout? >> it's a possibility. just like anybody else when you drink, you don't remember the stuff that happened, but, yeah,
it's a possibility. but once again, it has nothing to do with my daughter. megyn: is it possible you blacked out and something happened to lisa during that time? >> no. i go to sleep every single time. and everybody knows me, anytime i drink anything, i've, actually, we've had get togethers with family over to the house, and everybody will be drinking and hanging out, playing pool and stuff, and, um, i will -- once i've had enough to drink, i just get really tired. i go right upstairs, i don't even say bye to people. megyn: not only does deborah bradley admit she was drunk, she also hold "america live" she was taking prescription medication at the time. did you take any drugs? >> no. megyn: are you a drug user? >> no. megyn: are you on any drugs? >> no. i take anxiety medication, but it's not narcotic, no. megyn: even before this episode, this event? >> yeah. megyn: okay. and were you taking it that
night? >> yeah, i take it every morning. megyn: and deborah is now changing her story about the critical night in question, about last seeing her daughter at 10:30 p.m. that evening. deborah now claims for the first time that, in fact, the last time she saw her child alive that night was four hours earlier than she has been telling police. megyn: when you went in at 10:30 after the neighbor left, what did you do? >> probably went right to my room. megyn: why do you say probably? >> because, um, sometimes i check on her. well, most of the time i check on her, and then the boys, their room is right next to each other, and i sneak in and make sure -- you know, the boys had been awake, and i had went in there and told them they could come sleep in my bed. so i'm assuming that i went and checked on her, too, but i don't, i don't know. peg meg you don't remember? >> no. megyn: so it's possible you did not check on her.
>> yeah. but there's no way that anybody could have got in. megyn: so the last time you saw your daughter alive in your home was when you put her down at 6:40? >> right. when i put her down, yeah. megyn: and the last time you saw her alive was when? >> was at, um, at 5:20 when i had left for work. megyn: jeremy, what's your reaction to hearing this back and forth about deborah drinking and being drunk and not -- and blacking out and not remembering everything that happened the night that lisa disappeared? >> i don't really have much of a reaction. i mean, regardless of what, how much she was drinking or if she was drunk or if she supposedly blacked out or whatever, it doesn't change who you are and what you do. megyn: and it doesn't end there. what was the question that deborah failed on her police
polygraph? did the police ever accuse jeremy, the father? what did police tell the couple about their cell phones being tracked by investigators? and who was watching the children when deborah bought that box of wine and the baby wipes earlier that evening? we will have much more from my interview on those questions and others throughout the next two hours. judge jeanine pirro will join me live, among others, and you will hear the differences between what they told her a week ago and what they told me, and you will also hear what the parents said when i asked them point-blank if they killed or hurt or sold their little baby. another fox news alert, this one is from the campaign trail where a brand new rasmussen poll obama. we believe this is for the first time. 43% of voters now saying if election were held today, they
would prefer mr. cain over the president. so is this a sign of cain's lasting power or just more evidence of the president's perils in the polls? we will ask master political larry sabato when he joins us live next hour. meantime, president obama is hitting the road kicking off a three-day bus tour through north carolina and virginia. >> the bus is pretty hard to miss. and over the next few days, we are going to take this bus through north carolina and virginia, and i'm going to get a chance to hear from folks about how they're doing. megyn: the president says he is hoping the tour will help garner support for his $447 billion jobs plan recently shelfed by congress, but critics say the president is just working overtime to woo back voters in states like north carolina and virginia which he comfortably won during the '08 election but which are considered must-wins this time around and which some are saying he could very well lose if he does not shore up his
poll numbers there. lots of questions being asked today after one of the world's top race car drivers died yesterday. the race car champion cut short in a fiery crash that fellow drivers called the worst they have ever seen. >> there's been a huge crash. oh. up in turn number two. >> oh, multiple cars involved. oh, my. megyn: you can see flames erupting almost instantly at the indy 300 in love. the 15-car pileup sending vehicles spinning around the car like tops. this end -- in the end, dan wheldon was killed in the crash, and it left many think about the high-speed crashes that do not wind up being fatal and wondering where this particular one went so wrong. casey steeling live this los angeles with more. >> reporter: it's difficult
the make out there that video because it happened so fast, but apparently the whole thing started when two cars got incredibly too close and accidentally touched their wheels. what happened next was this jaw-dropping chain reaction wreck just five minutes into the race at the las vegas motor speedway. look at this video from inside one of the race cars involved. it shows debris flying through the air and then look at that fireball. it is just incredible. will power was behind the wheel of this vehicle, he was among the two drivers hurt in this the crash. amazing, really, that no one else was seriously injured because you can see from these still photographs multiple cars going airborne and breaking into pieces as they slammed into the wall. danica patrick describing the scene as something out of after movie. a team of more than 20 doctors worked on dan wheldon once he
was pulled from the twisted metal. he was airlifted to university medical center in las vegas. news of his death spreading about two hours later. the 33-year-old's wife and two young children were by his side. here is wheldon's father-in-law reacting. >> he wasn't just a great driver, but he was a great human being. he was always a very, very positive, always had something good to say about everybody and very polite as, i guess, all englishman are, but he was specifically to polite. and i just can't believe that he's no longer with us. >> reporter: now, safety concerns were, apparently, raised prior to this race. it was a packed field, 34 cars, one more than the indy 500. and some of the drivers had mentioned that it was too crowded out there and that they were driving too fast, so it is entirely possible that some rules and regulations in this very dangerous sport could now be changed in the wake of this challenge. megyn: casey casey steegal,
thank you. two years after doling out more than $150 billion to struggling state and local governments, new details on another possible stimulus package. lou dobbs weighs in on that in three minutes. plus, a dramatic rescue mission playing out in the south pole. badwet preventing crews from reaching this american scientist who apparently suffered a stroke. and we will have much, much more from my be interview with lisa irwin's participants. coming up, what the police told the couple about tracking their cell phones which the couple claims went missing the same night their baby did. plus, judge janine peer row and a former nypd detective join us to talk about discrepancies between what they told the judge last week and what they told me yesterday. two weeks ago you had a normal life. >> yeah. well, yeah. megyn: and how have things changed since then? >> everything has changed. um, we don't have her.
megyn: with the country's $14 trillion in federal debt, questions are being raised about president obama's new request to have congress send another $35 billion in aid to local communities. in an effort to get americans back to work, the president says. the move comes after his $447 billion jobs bill failed, and now mr. obama is trying a different piecemeal approach. >> in the coming weeks, we'll have them vote on the other parts of the jobs bill; putting construction workers back on the job rebuilding our roads and bridges, providing tax cuts for small businesses that hire our veterans. megyn: but this is not the first spending package the white house has used to try to jolt the economy. president obama's 2009 stimulus bill included the largest transfer of federal funds to states in u.s. history, more than $150 billion.
and just last year mr. obama signed a $26 billion state aid package. lou dobbs is the host of lou dobbs tonight on the fox business network. and the president said if they vote no to this piecemeal state aid, quote, they will have to tell you why teachers in your community don't deserve a paycheck again, why your kids don't deserve to have their teacher back. is that fair in light of what the federal taxpayers have already given these states? >> you know, is it fair? absolutely not. but the rejoippedder for the republican party in that instance is, well, then this president will have to explain why he waited until the third year of his presidency to start focusing on jobs at all. and also perhaps he would explain at the same time why is he focusing only on government jobs, that is teacher jobs, first responder jobs instead of
25 million americans, megyn, who are unemployed, underemployed or have imiive up being -- given up being employed. this is a monstrous proposal in the face of the pain being felt by 25 million people. it is not only incrementalism, it is not only piecemeal, it is beside the point. and the point is we have an economy that has to be restored to growth, and this president avoids taking responsibility for failing to create an environment, a positive, strong leadership to move us toward that end. megyn: you know, when the president was pushing the original stimulus in february of '09, he talked about the same thing, teachers are losing their jobs, nurses, firefighters, police officers and said, you know, we really owed it to them. they didn't cause this recession, to help them. you know, because these states were going to be in the red and needed our help. >> right. megyn: so we did. 150 billion. and then again the following year, 2010, gave another 26 billion. at the time of the first stimulus, there was a discussion
about moral hazard. >> right. megyn: put it in perspective. has that been realized? >> absolutely not. except for those 25 million americans i'm speaking of. the private sector has lost millions and millions of jobs. megyn: but what i'm going after is they talked about how if you did this with states, if you bailed them out, no one wants to blame the firefighters. but the states that were irresponsible with their investments and spendings, if you bail them out once, what's to stop them from coming back to the till again and again and again? is. >> not only coming back, but remaining dependent on the federal government. the state of california, for example, we're talking about $80 billion in so-called hope bonds, stimulus money that has moved from the federal government to the state of california. they still cannot balance a budget and refuse to do so. while taking on some of the most absurdly irresponsible initiatives imaginable. megyn: then what's the answer, lou? because, you know, the president probably does tap into something people really feel which is we
don't want to lay off cops and firefighters and teachers. >> absolutely not. by the way, i don't want to lay off a carpenter, a plumber, a construction worker. i don't want anyone laid off, and i hate this thing that this president does which is to differentiate among classes of americans. there is no greater primacy for state workers than there is for private workers. i want to see a robust economy in which all, all are making a goodlying and prosper -- good living and prospering. this business of simply saying suddenly one segment of our society has priority over another is madness on the part of this administration, and it's got to stop. and the republicans have got a responsibility to stand up here and stop this nonsense by saying simply this: we are going to restore growth, we're going to drop the ideological drama and move forward and stop a president who thinks that he can play class warfare and segment our society into demographic groups and somehow prevail. this is an act of desperation on
the part of this administration. he has the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, he has the highest disapproval, and he is becoming increasingly populist and irresponsible in his demagoguery. megyn: well, it's an interesting thought about whether any political party is to blame for these firefighters' position or whether the states who overspent are the ones to blame. >> may i put this really succinctly? we have watched six and a half million people in the private sector lose their jobs over the course of the past three years. 290,000 in the public sector. what's going on? megyn: interesting statistic. lou, thank you. >> thank you. megyn: the administration is now walking away from a big part of the health care overhaul because it admits the country cannot afford this part of the plan. in three minutes, what could this mean for the rest of that law? and a florida man fired over a pin just like this one. why wearing the stars and stripes end up costing him his job.
and we'll tell you about one school principal in massachusetts who's putting a freeze on fall holidays. >> i don't like it. i celebrated halloween since i was a little kid, and i don't think it's right to ban it. think it's right to ban it. >> we shouldn't be told by other people. ie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole gin oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.
the world needs more energy. where's it going to come from? ♪ that's why right here, in australia, chevron is building one of the biggest natural gas projects in the world. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? natural gas is the cleanest conventional fuel there is. we've got to be smart about this. it's a smart way to go. ♪
megyn: well, a white house announcement late last week maybe just the biggest story you haven't heard. top advisers now dropping a big part of the president's health care law. the class act was supposed to provide long-term disability for patients with extensive needs. now some people are wondering if other parts of the plan may also be in trouble. jim angle with more on that. what's going on? >> reporter: well, democrats say it's just a minor snag in one small part of the health care law, but republicans say
it's the first sign the entire law is coming unraveled. the administration was forced to pull the plug, as you said, in on this new entitlement called class intended to provide in-home services for the disabled. but it had front loaded it with benefits to be paid out later. that made the health care law look less expensive over the first ten years than it really was. now half the savings have resolved, and republicans say that's just the tip of the iceberg. >> a lot of the rest of the deficit reduction is smoke and mirrors, i believe. no, i think the republicans need to say this is just the tip of the iceberg, we need to repeal obamacare. they need to get back to stressing the importance of getting rid of obamacare. >> reporter: senator judd gregg had inserted language in the bill requiring the program be self-sustaining, meaning it could not add to the deficit, and even some democrats now say there's no way to get around that. >> that's the language that got agreed on and, therefore, we
need to follow whatever the language that gregg added there. so, therefore, if it's not, then let's go ahead and move it, and then let's move on on something else. >> reporter: now, the chief actuary of medicare had warned that the program would have to enroll 230 million people to be workable. that happens to be more than the entire american work force, so this was destined to collapse under its own weight, megyn, even though some democrats argue it should be preserved anyway. megyn: jangle, thank you. as president obama kicks off his latest cross-country tour, we're seeing new possible signs of a re-election campaign in this trouble. and stunning new admissions from 11-month-old baby lisa's mother. i threw to kansas city, missouri, for a two-hour candid interview with both parents. why deborah bradley's story from the night her daughter disappeared appears to have changed dramatically.
this right here is the window through which the family believes the intruder entered their home on the night in question. it lead through the computer room, you can get to baby lisa's room. [ male announcer ] succeeding in today's market requires more than wishful thinking. it requires determination and decisive action. i go to e-trade and get unbiased analyst ratings and 24/7 help from award-winning customer support to take control of my finances and my life. i tap into the power of revolutionary mobile apps.
to trade wherever. whenever. life isn't fully experienced sitting idly by. neither is investing. [ birds chirping ] then you may need help finding the right plan for your needs. call now to find out how a medicare plan from unitedhealthcare medicare solutions may have the coverage you're looking for. the annual enrollment period is earlier this year. it begins october 15th and ends december 7th;
so now is the best time to review your options. medicare has two parts, parts a and b to help cover a lot of your expenses, like doctor visits and hospital care. but they still won't cover all of your costs. now's the time to learn about plans that may be right for you. call now and tell us about your situation. we can help you select the right medicare plan. with some plans, we can help you enroll right over the phone. i'm looking for help paying for my prescriptions. [ male announcer ] that's a part d prescription drug plan. tell us about your prescriptions and we can help you select the right plan. you can choose a stand-alone plan, or you can combine your part d plan with a medicare supplement plan for complete coverage. is there a single plan that combines medicare parts a & b with medical and drug coverage? [ male announcer ] absolutely. a medicare advantage plan can give you doctor, hospital and prescription drug coverage for nothing more than what you already pay for medicare part b.
with unitedhealthcare plans, you can access the pharmacy saver program, with prescriptions as low as $2, at thousands of pharmacies all across the country, including these. call unitedhealthcare now. tell us about your situation. we can help you choose the right plan for your needs. [ male announcer ] are you reconsidering your medicare coverage? you only have until december 7th to make sure you get the medicare coverage you need. call unitedhealthcare to learn about medicare plans that may be right for you. with some plans, you can enroll right over the phone. don't wait. call now. megyn: fox news alert on the search for little lisa irwin. you are looking at a police car blocking off the block where liver win's -- lisa irwin's parents live. we were there less than 24 hours ago. we are just being told that the
fbi just went into a neighbor's home, the neighbor right next door to the irwin house, and came out carrying what looked like bags of evidence. trace gallagher live at the breaking news desk. trace? >> reporter: and i want to keep that picture up, megyn, because that's very critical now. that police car is blocking off that neighborhood. that's the first time we've seen this. and the police are asking the media, now, to stay away, to not take any pictures of the bags of evidence. and, remember, this is the neighbor who was drinking with deborah bradley the night that baby lisa disappeared. so this is the second time they've gone in and searched the neighbor's house, this is the first time they've actually brought bags of items, evidence, whatever you call it actually out of that house. they have also brought search dogs in the house, presumably to get a scent or a possible scent of baby lisa. those dogs will then be taken out of that house and then back in to the irwin family home so
they can also go back in there and search for more scents. we don't know the exact purpose of that, but that's what's happening today. we can also tell you aside from the two houses, they have also searched a nearby creek again today, retracing their steps. but this is the first time that we know of, megyn, they have shut down the neighborhood to the media and told the media, conot shoot pictures -- do not shoot pictures of the stuff that is being brought out of the neighbor's house. this, of course, all comes after we have learned through your interview, megyn, that, in fact, deborah bradley was drunk the night the baby disappeared, and she doesn't know if she saw the baby past 6:30 at night, not the 10:30 she's been telling investigators. we have a producer on scene who's giving us updates by the second. as soon as we get more, megyn, we'll bring them. megyn: thank you, trace. something to keep in mind as you watch the police searching this
area, why can they do that? how do they have the ability to do that? normally, you'd need to go get a warrant, or you get permission from the homeowners. that's what happened here. the parents agreed to let the police go back in there with dogs and to collect evidence at their home, then they'd have to go to the neighbor's home and get her permission. but that's what's happening in these cases. every indication we have is that the parents are cooperating in that respect. ask yourselves why they would do that? the case is very confusing on a number of levels. we'll continue to investigate. and while the police search the area around the irwin home, the couple offered me new insights on their theory about how they think their daughter was kidnapped right out of her crib. we're going to discuss some of that with judge jeanine pirro, five minutes away. america's election headquarters now, as we mentioned earlier, president obama beginning his three-day bus tour in north carolina. he's hoping to drum up sport for
his -- support for his jobs plan, he says, and it looks like it's working. >> we could actually lose jobs with their plan. so i'll let you decide which plan is the real american jobs act. [cheers and applause] look -- >> four more years! four more years! >> they, they -- i appreciate, i appreciate the four more years, but right now i'm thinking about the next 13 months. [cheers and applause] megyn: did you catch that? the white house says the president's tour is all about his jobs plan and is not about his 2012 campaign. but, of course, some political analysts suggest his choice of locations says a lot about this team's concerns over re-election challenges. joining me now, former deputy assistant to president george w. bush, brad blakeman, and south carolina republican chair dick
harpootlian. all right, guys, the white house, why can't they just say, you know, it's part promotion of the jobs act, and it's part campaign? is there anything wrong with that, dick? >> i don't think there's anything wrong with that, but let's face facts. the facts are this president's in western north carolina today, not exactly a baas onof democratic support. and he's getting enthusiastic support for his jobs bill. my question to brad is, why won't the republicans in the senate allow a vote on the jobs bill? you've got to have 60, it's a parliamentary procedure, you've got to have 60 votes to vote on the bill. they won't vote to let it be voted on up or down, and that's what's wrong with washington, and that's why this president has gone to north carolina, michigan, indiana, ohio and elsewhere to take the message: washington is broken, and you can't get a job because they won't vote. megyn: brad, i'll let you take that. >> well, dick, you try to deflect away from democrats. it's the democrats who have nixed this president's ability to get the jobs bill done. three democrats sided with
republicans. no republican supports this bill because we've been through this before. this is stimulus ii, just as stimulus i failed, this will fail. the fact is that the president is raising over a billion dollars, yet he can't pay with his own campaign money for, clearly, a political visit in the important electoral states of north carolina and virginia? you know, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of them all of the time, and i think the american people can see right through this and what the president's optimal goal is, and that is to use taxpayer money to fund his campaign. megyn: dick, do you think that -- do you have any doubt that this is part campaign effort? because you mentioned that the president's out in the western part of, you know, north carolina. he department go to durham, he didn't go to raleigh. he won those cities really easily last time around. he's going to the places where he's more embattled in north carolina and in virginia, both of which are considered must-wins according to the white house's strategy for re-election. >> no. where he's gone are places where
republican congressmen and senators will not vote to allow the vote. and, brad, you're wrong about that three democrat. one of them was harry reid who changed his vote to no so he could make a motion to reconsider. it would pass with the democratic votes if the republicans would allow a vote. they're standing in the way. one of my favorite movies is mr. smith goes to washington where somebody stands up and speaks for 48 hours. the republicans don't have the guts to get up and actually filibuster this bill. >> this is tit for tat. >> tit for tat? we're down to tit for tat? that's where we're at, brad? that's what's wrong with washington. >> last week changing senate rules which were historically different than what you guys did, and harry reid took to the podium and said, basically, suck it up. we're not going to be filled into another stimulus bill which does nothing but add further pain and unemployment to america. we're not going to -- >> let them vote.
let them vote. it's not what you want. let 'em vote and send it over to the house, and let them deal with it. but this is just plain old washington log jam and log rolling. it is wrong for the american people. >> you changed the rules when it's good for you, and then -- >> oh, my god, change the rules. >> -- and then you complain when we're not just rolling over and giving you exactly what you want. it's the art of come poo poise. megyn: all right, guys, i've got to leave it at that. >> this is candyland. megyn: i'm just glad you stopped saying that other phrase. thank you so much for being here. [laughter] we brought you breaking news moments ago in the search for little lisa irwin. local police in fbi rounding up some sort of possible new evidence while lisa's participants share some of the new details on the night their baby disappeared. what time did you put lisa down to bed initially? >> 6:40. megyn: and that's her normal bedtime? >> no, it's usually 7:30 and 8,
but she'd been kind of fussy, and i just decided to put her down. megyn: in three minutes, judge jeneane and a police detective look over the evidence. herman cain taking the lead in some polling, we think, for the first time. whether the cain train is moving full speed ahead or about to derail. >> let me tell you something else before i go through there about being in the top tier of the candidates. can y'all see that big bull's eye on many my back? [laughter] [ male announcer ] this is lara. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. jeanine pirro ills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. [ female announcer ] get an aleve coupon in this sunday's paper.
how about the beat of a healthy heart? campbell's healthy request soup is delicious, and earned this heart, for being heart healthy. ♪ feel the beat? it's amazing what soup cano. megyn: back, now, to our breaking news in the search for 11-month-old lisa irwin. local police and fbi are conducting a new search at this moment, taking what appear to be evidence bags from a neighbor's home. they have shut down media access, they don't want this videotaped. that neighbor whose house they y are at was drinking with lisa's mother the night the baby disappeared. yesterday i had the chance to speak with the parents of this
little girl about the search for their daughter. both parents denying that they had anything to do with her disappearance and making this plea to the public. >> bring her home. drop her off somewhere. anywhere so that we can get her back home where she belongs. >> please, think of her. she needs her mother, she needs her father, she needs her brothers, she needs her family, and we need her. we're, we will be incomplete until she comes home. please, think of her. megyn: judge jeanine peer row is host of justice with judge jeanine. i'm so glad to have you both here because there were several news items made in my two-hour interview with the family, and some are direct contradictions to what they told you a week ago, jeneane, when you were in kansas city. >> i was there last week and the week before. megyn: when you interviewed the
parents, it was a week, week and a half ago. the number one news item was, perhaps, the change in story regarding the time the mother last saw the little baby. she had been saying 10:30, 10:30, 10:30, then she told me yesterday, in fact, the last time she remembers seeing her daughter was at 6:40. watch what she told me, and watch what she told jeneane. what time did you put lisa down initially? >> 6:30. megyn: okay. and that's normal? >> no, it's usually between 7:30 and is 8, but she'd been kind of fussy, and i just decided to put her down. >> who went to first, debbie? lisa? >> i put the boys to bed, and then i went to sleep. >> the neighbor was gone when you went to sleep. >> yeah. >> with okay. and you think that was about 10:30. megyn: and she said, "yeah." that's what the police have been telling us for two weeks as well, and now it's different. >> well, she has been saying to the press consistently for the last two weeks that the baby,
she looked at that baby at 10:30 at night. she told me in the interview she had put the baby down a couple of hours earlier. and, of course, she changes her story yesterday and says it was at 6:40. and, megyn, you know that kicks in a whole new possibility of possible kidnappers or in terms of the investigation. where do you look? we've got another four hours to account for. so this is damning information that all of a sudden she comes out w. megyn: she doesn't think it's that significant because she says she was sitting on the front stoop the entire time, how could somebody get into the house? >> she doesn't think it's that vital, but it's vital to the extent it opens up a four-hour window of investigative questions. that's the critical point. megyn: what does it say to you that two weeks into it is the first time there's a time change? >> very, very troubling. all of a sudden she recalls that she may have blacked out? megyn: yeah. she possibly blacked out is what she said and not remembering whether, in fact, she had
checked on the daughter. she doesn't remember. does that strike you as a strategy, judge? a strategy to say i don't remember this late in the case? >> you know, it strikes me not necessarily as a strategy, but i'm almost at the point where i'm saying there's some consciousness of wrongdoing here, and they're changing their story. it seems that for her to say that there's a four-hour difference from last week to this week as to when the last time was she saw the baby, and the whole idea of saying -- she said to me the baby never really fusses. she's a perfect baby, and then she starts wailing. she says to you in your interview, well, you know, she was so fussy, i had to put her down. i mean, these are direct contradictions. there is something going on here. megyn: there's another important piece, that is were the lights on or off? originally she claims the lights were turned off and when the husband came home, the lights were on. what intruder would go into the house and turn on the lights? wouldn't they do the opposite?
take a look at what she told me about the lights contrasted with what she told the judge. you remember turning them off when you went to bed. >> i was told i turned them off. megyn: by whom? >> the neighbors. megyn: do you remember turning them off that night? >> no. i don't remember doing that. megyn: so your only reason to believe that you turned them off is the neighbor telling you she saw them off a. >> exactly. >> were the lights on or off when you went to bed? >> i turned them all off. >> unbelievable. >> it is. it's the same smartest burr burglar in the in the city of kansas city. that might was jeremy's first night shift. megyn: when she talked to you, maybe she was just saying i turned them off, and she was omitting, so my neighbor told me. >> well, i think the fact that so much is coming out now is indicative of her and her husband, i think, having, you know, a change of thoughts in how they're going to propose their defense. i think that we're almost at
the world needs more energy. where's it going to come from? ♪ that's why right here, in australia, chevron is building one of the biggest natural gas projects in the world. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? natural gas is the cleanest conventional fuel there is. we've got to be smart about this. it's a smart way to go. ♪
megyn: and rejoining me now, judge jeanine peer row and pat brosnan. i want to ask you about the screen differences. no one could have gotten through that screen, but it was only a little bit. it wasn't off the rail. >> it was the frame that was bent in, and i asked them three times, could someone have gotten in through the window, through the screen as it was that night? i was very pointed in the question. they say no. and to you they say -- megyn: well, watch it for
yourselves. check it out. do you think they came many through that window? >> absolutely. megyn: do you think so? >> absolutely. >> i think so. megyn: how? because the screen was pushed out only a small amount. >> it was off the track. >> it's popped out of the track, and there's a spider web on it, so it looks like it was pushed in and then up because the spider web was rolled up. >> could somebody have fit through the frame where it was popped? >> no. >> you said it was popped, debbie. >> nothing makes sense. >> could someone have fit through this? >> would you remove it and is then push it halfway back? that doesn't make sense. >> but based on the condition it was in, could someone have gone through that that you saw? >> no. >> three times. and what's amazing, it seems that jeremy is now coming up
with almost apologies. we only heard about this fan on high with your interview, the interviews this past weekend. all of a sudden maybe she didn't hear it because her fan was too high. and then when i asked them about the dog, i said, don't you have a dog in the backyard? jeremy comes in and and he says, well, the dog was in the back. megyn, you saw that house, it's no more than 20 feet deep. megyn: and there's another dog right next door, and their fence comes up to the front of the irwin house. it's not like it's way far back. what's happening here, pat? you've within around the block. what's happening here? >> i think what we have is complicity on part of one or both parents, and i think from the continued, intelligent, unrelenting, very relevant and pertinent inquiries from the fbi, state police, private investigators, local authorities, they're getting worn down the same way a beach wears down from erosion. it's wearing down. megyn: it's hard to tell the
same story over and over, and sometimes law enforcement isn't that a red flag when they're perfectly consistent? >> right. then you have to wonder how rehearsed it is, how staged it is. because human nature, you're not going to say the same thing every day. if my baby is missing, megyn, and there is a difference of four hours between the last time i said i saw that baby, then you know what? the law enforcement in kansas city pd is way on top of their game. megyn: the timing is a big deal. >> and now she say she was drunk. she just said that she sat with her friend samantha that lives next door, and now she's saying, you know, if something happened, i really didn't know, i was really drunk. i may have blacked out. megyn: let me just play the sound bite of her defending herself. i want to get your reaction. >> it's so easy to hear the stories, oh, she drank, or -- it's so easy to say those things. there's a bad guy out there with
my baby right now. and there's people that are judging me, please, just look for her. >> you know, megyn, for two weeks her stories were consistent, her neighbors -- i spoke to pretty much all of them. they said she was a great mother, a great parent. no one was condemning her. everyone was saying, you know, what's going on, who is this person? is there a predator out there? now given what she's saying and the reverse in the statements and his backing her up when she can't fill in the blanks, now there's real curiosity out there, and for good reason. >> it's not just that there's factual inconsistencies which the judge points out, there's direct contradictions on material aspects of the case, and that is a serious distinction. megyn: i did ask them whether there's any history of domestic violence, no. the father was convicted of dui a few years ago, but that was it. we have much more in about three minutes on this case, and then we're going to have another panel at 2:30. thank you both so much.
in five minutes, what was the question deborah failed on her polygraph, and did the police ever accuse jeremy, the father?with is to keep life balanced. i don't always have time to eat like i should. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes, which can help lower a1c. [ ma announcer ] glucerna. helping people with diabetes find balance. prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. [ thinking ] i wonder what other questionable choices i've made? [ '80s dance music plays ] [ sighs ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego.
megyn: welcome back. new details on one of the worst race car tragedies ever. now answers on how this crash turned so deadly. i'm megyn kelly. but first, a chain reaction accident at the las vegas motor speedway sent a car slamming through the air before it turned into a fireball after it slammed into the wall. dan * died at hospital hours later. trace? >> reporter: i want to take to you this crash of dan wheldon bit by bit. if you are on if the freeway driving 60 miles per hour, you need to stop, reaction time stop
time takes you 100 yards. dan wheldon was going 220 miles an hour. he had no time to stop. play this, this is what dan wheldon was looking at in the seconds before the crash. you can see him there. he's a bit behind the pack. he's in the 11th lap. you can see the crash as he gets up and over the car over here. play the second video. we have dan wheldon's car is spot shadowed through this thing. he goes through this thing, 220 miles an hour. he goes up in the air. the car right now is in the air. it's going in the air. there are three separate cars on fire in the air upside down at the same time. the car is still in the air. it strikes another car as it flies through before finally strike the safety wall on the
outside, flipping over and into flames. dan wheldon said before the race he wasn't sure if he had enough speed to compete in this. but one of his colleagues dario franchitti said he thought the speeds were too fast. i said advice is not a suitable track. -- i said this is not a suitable track. one small mistake and from everybody and it's a massive thing. they talked about the cars. you have got four widened cars. this is the las vegas raceway. it's a mile shorter than the indy 500 raceway. they had one more car. there is very little room for error. see how tight the corners are? in the past 14 years they have had 7 deaths. formula one has had one death. look at formula one track. you will see how much more space
they have. they have more safety and bumpers on the formula one track. they have a lot more space that if you do spin out you have got more room to slow down before actually hitting the barriers. but you can bet this will lead to some changes, and i would be very surprised if they ever ran that type of race again on that racetrack in las vegas. megyn: what a tragedy. trace, thank you. car racing is always one of the more dangerous sports. but the last time there was a death was in 2006. but recently there have been some close calls including danica patrick at the new hampshire motor speedway. a chain reaction accident on rain-slicked roads caused her car to spin. five cars piled up on the first
turn as castro nevadao -- as he drove into the back of andretti. there is say a fire may have been caused by a failed suicide attempt. police say a 28-year-old man showed up at a hospital with burns claiming he started the fire. the 6-alarm fire forcing firefighters to make some dramatic rescues. >> we had a baby thrown out the 67th floor window, one of the lieutenants caught her. there were 15 people they pulls down the ladders. megyn: the suspect is expected to face charges including arson and attempted murder. the supreme court will consider the stolen valor act which makes it a crime to lie about being a
war hero. the federal he peels court in california struck down the law on free speech grounds. the obama administration claims the law is reasonable because it only limits your first amendment rights when you are making a false statement. the high court will have the final say. critical statement from the mother and father of missing baby lisa irwin. she has been missing for two weeks. we do not know what happened to her. the family main taints it was an abduction. the parents questioning the parents and others. the police are back outside of the house. we are told they removed bags of evidence from a neighbor's home. the neighborly a irwin told me she was drinking with on the night of the kidnapping. they are turning the dogs on the
irwin family car. with the irwin's consent. yesterday i flew to missouri and sat down for a one-on-one with lisa irwin's parents. debra bradley and jeremy irwin were very open including one many people are wondering. did they kill, hurt or sell their own baby. did you kill little lisa? >> no. megyn: do you believe she is still alive? >> absolutely. megyn: did you hurt your baby? >> no. megyn: would you ever hurt your baby? >> absolutely not. megyn: do you have any idea who may have been involved in her disappearance? >> no. megyn: do you believe she was kidnapped? >> yes. megyn: did you sell your baby? >> no, no, no.
megyn: do you know -- has anybody approached you about selling your baby? >> no. megyn: the police say you stopped talking to hem, is that true? >> no. megyn: why are they saying that? >> because we won't let them interview our children maybe. megyn: you just said no more. >> no more. my kids would know nothing. megyn: how far init to did they have accuse you. >> a couple hours. megyn: into the first interview? >> yes. megyn: what did they say? >> you did it. where's she at. stuff like that. i can't really get into it. it's not about clearing my name. megyn: did they do the same thing to you, jeremy? >> yes, they did, the same thing. they first told me it was her, then later told me it was me. and an accident happened, or --
yeah. megyn: what about that? that's one of the theories people speculate about. it's not that you hurt your daughter but maybe she had an accident in the house, then you panicked. >> all the ideas people have on what me or him might have done, it's just sick. megyn: the police toiled you failed polygraph. they also told us you failed it, and they said you failed it miserably. did they tell you what questions you failed? >> yes. megyn: what questions? >> do i know where she's at. megyn: anything else? >> no, i don't remember. i don't think so. megyn: what did you say to them when they toiled that? >> that not possible. i have absolutely no idea where my daughter is. if i knew, she would be with me. megyn: how did they respond? >> called me a bad mother and
said i should fess up. >> they keep bringing up main was an accident, maybe you did it during the two hours you were home and she found out about it later. >> they scared the crap out of me. they did a great job of that. megyn: you could not only lose your job, you could lose your freedom. >> i have done nothing wrong. megyn: their version of several events regarding lisa's disappearance provides some inconsistencies. can that happen even when usual telling the truth? we'll examine that question in "kelly's court" and talk about a piece of evidence that emerged that could be quite important for the parents. there has been a lot of talk about the cell phones. they claim their cell phones were stolen by whomever took their daughter, and the police accuse them of lying because they said there had been a phone call at 2:30 a.m., during the
time the mother claims she was sleeping. now the parents have a response to that that may undermine that allegation against them. we'll get into that later in the show. a disturbing discovery in a philadelphia basement. four disabled adults found shackled and being held prisoner. you won't believe this story how long they were down there and what police say the suspects were up to. brand-new polls show a first for businessman herman cain. but is the cain train about to take off or about to derail? one of the country's top political analysts gives his answer yet. >> ronald reagan said we are a sliding city on the hill. we slid down the side of that hill. americans want somebody to lead them back unto the top of that hill. that's how we turn this country around. at bayer, we've been relieving pain for over 100 years.
and today, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles so it enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief right to the site of your tough pain. in fact, it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin.
megyn: brand-new polling results on herman cain. according to new numbers from rasmussen reports, for the first time the form godfather's pizza is leading in a hypothetical matchup with president obama. but critics say a lack of cash and weak organization and lack of desire could derail the cain train. here are the candidates on the sunday talk show circuit. >> you raids $2.6 million. is that enough to go the distance? >> it's not enough to go the distance. message is more powerful than money. the $2.8 million we reported didn't -- the report didn't say no debt. and we have $1.3 million on hands as of the end of september. but within the last two weeks, this is another thing we put out there. we rated $2 million.
our fundraising is going to pick up. megyn: is the herman cain train about to take off or derail. larry sabato is the director of the center for politics at university of virginia. to me it's not so much the money. that not great not to not have a lot of the money. but the lack of campaigning. not only has he not been to iowa, but he has no plans to go there until november 19. he has to win iowa, doesn't he? >> i think he would have to win iowa, because i don't think there is have much chance he will win new hampshire. so, you know, megyn, this is the most unconventional campaign and maybe herman cain is completely rewriting the rule books. but my guess is the greatest blow to his candidacy has come from the new schedule courtesy
of florida. we lost five weeks in this campaign. instead of having this start in february 6 with iowa, now it's going to start either january 3 with iowa or potentially even in december with new hampshire. megyn: isn't it ironic since it's florida that chose herman cain? >> they may love herman cain, but they stuck it to him. they may not have been thinking about herman cain when they did it. they may have wanted to increase the influence of florida. he has less time to build an organization and raise the money he needs to do it. megyn: here we are talking about he's got to get to iowa. he's got to get an organization. he hasn't been there. he's not going there until thanksgiving. iowa is critical. he's leading in the polls in iowa. he's beating mitt romney. how can that be? it's like herman cain will not be denied, larry.
>> you are making a good point. but you know what i learned about polls at this point of a primary or caucus process? they are cotton candy. and they will disappear in the mouth very quickly. so become liquid sugar. the polls that matter in a caucus are the ones that occur among the activists during caucus. the people hat show up on that freezing cold day, get out there and zot jobs, get their neighbors out. megyn: i don't think people understand how important it is to have an organization set up on the ground in iowa. what exactly should he be doing that he's not doing? >> he has not identified the people for the most part who will get to those caucuses, bring their friends and neighbors and family members who are totally committed to him, who are willing to give up that day in a cold season in iowa,
and it takes a long time to build those lists. some of these candidates like romney have been at it for five years. so it's hard to make up that ground quickly when you are in tennessee selling your book. i wish him luck with that book and i hope it makes the best seller look. megyn: the other thing the survey shows is 2/3 of herman cain supporters say they might end up voting for some wins. is that just reality of the primary season or does that tell us something about his supporters? >> they are all republicans and generally the people voting in these primaries and caucuses are republicans. therefore by definition they agree with every candidate on 60% to 70% of the issues. that's one reason why they jump as they do. as much as herman cain says he doesn't wants to be the flavor of the month, the odds are he's
the flavor of the month or two months. but the truth is there have been five frontrunners, megyn, just since late spring in the republican party. so there is nothing unusual about what's happening. megyn: is there any chance in your mind that he don't really want to be president? there is speculation that what he wants is to be a king maker like sarah palin. i saw an article that he might want a fox news program like mike huckabee. >> i think he would like to be president. there is a line from the great old movie, "it's good to be the king." he would like to be president. but he's the kind of person who is very self-assured. he will be happy doing a wide variety of things including become secretary of commerce or vice president. i'll bet his favorability rating is still high at end of this
campaign unlike some other candidates. megyn: there is something very likeable about him. though he has made some controversial statements. we'll see. larry sabato, thank you, sir. birth control goes against the teachings of the catholic church. but some catholic universities may be forced to provide access to their students. this researcher suffered an apparent stroke but a storm has kept rescue teams cut off from her the past couple days at the south pole. new twists and turns in the hunt for baby lisa irwin. her parents sitting down with me and sharing their side of the story including what police told them about the lie detector test. megyn: they told you you failed it miserably. >> it's not possible. i have no absolutely where my
daughter is. if i knew, she would be with me. megyn: how did they respond? >> called me a bad mother. and said -- [ male announcer ] drinking a smoothie with no vegetable nutrition? ♪ [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8.
ha, not me! cause shipping is a hassle. different states, different rates. not with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. so shipping for the chess champ in charleston is the same as shippingor the football phenom in philly? yep. so i win! actually, i think you deserve this. no, i deserve this. wow, got one of those with a mailman on top? priority mail flat rate shipping starts at just $4.95, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship.
megyn: four mentally disabled ate built were found locked in a filthy basement in philadelphia. police say they kept the starving victims in a boiler room. the landlord discovered them over the weekend. the alleged ring leader previously served three years in jail for holding a man in a clothes and letting him starve to death. good grief. the president's healthcare
overhaul setting up a catch-22 for catholic universities. new regulations could require colleges to provide access to contraception in student healthcare plans. but that conflicts with the church's strong opposition to birth control. shannon breen is follows this one. >> reporter: regulations could put them in a terrible position, offer healthcare plans which cover contraceptives, pay a fine or stop offering health insurance all together. one of the letters comes from the president of notre dame who says despite pushback from some he welcomed the president to speak on campus in 2009. here is what the president said back then. >> let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with apportion and draft a sensible conscience clause and make sure
all of our healthcare policies are ground not only in sound science but also in clear ethics as well as respect for the equality of women. those are things we can do. [applause] >> reporter: but pro-life advocates say this administration has failed. >> the obama administration has overturned that with these proposed rules that would force catholic universities to fund thing they disagree with. >> reporter: they said quote we explored and are open to ridge organizations to insure organizations with religious objections can choose whether or not to cover these services. the comment period has now closed. whether it's modified or not it goes into effect in august of next year. megyn: this woman's harrowing tale is unbelievable down at
south pole. but we have sharp eyed viewers on this show. and a lot of race fans. when we showed this video we sit was from the car of dan wheldon. the indy driver who was killed yesterday. it was actually video from car number 12 driven by will powers. good catch by you guys. thank you. up next. he was swept into office on hope and change. some say president obama, the great uniter is seek something divide the country. we have a fair and balanced debate on that. shocking revelations in the case of a missing 11-month-old baby in missouri. and my sitdown with lisa irwin's parents. we are outside of the house. the mother said she and her neighbor who lives right there were sitting out on this stoop on the night in question. she says they were drinking several drinks from 7:00, 7:30
on and it was 10 about 30 she went in the house right here and went to bed. you can see the door is locked now. it wasn't on the night little lisa went missing. to a patient in time for surgery may seem like a trumped-up hollywood premise. ♪ but if you take away the dramatic score... take away the dizzying 360-degree camera move... [ tires screech ] ...and take away the over-the-top stunt, you're still left with a pretty remarkable tale. but, okay, maybe keep the indulgent supermodel cameo... thank you. [ male announcer ] innovative medical solutions. fedex. solutions that matter.
aparent stroke back in august. but she was strand at the bottom of the world because of harsh winter weather until today. trace gallagher has more with this one. >> reporter: it' the first ever dead of winter rescue down at south pole it was risky and controversial. the doctors said she had a stroke and need to be evacuated. the company that owns the research center said it's too risky to send pie lose and planes down there. after the family petitions and politicians got involved. the rescue was a go, about it was very high risk. 74 below zero. extremely high winds. blowing snow. no runway lights. the plane had to lands -- the plane had to land on the snow. the snowy runway, then could only stay on the ground for 30 minutes. they deiced the plane and they took off and flew her home.
10 hours later she was back in new zealand. listen to her. >> coming from the south poem on the unpressurized plane, i was worried about whether it could do more serious damage or who knows what else. they kept the plane at low altitude so they knew what to do if something happened to me. but luckily it was a fantastic flight. >> reporter: the stroke apparently affected her vision and speech. but she is much better now. another woman was stuck down at the south pole so long she had to treat herself for breast cancer. once you go down there, it's a long time before you come back. megyn: i wonder how do you that one. thank you. new suggestions today that the man who ran as the great uniter is running the risk of dividing
his company perhaps for years to come. remember president obama has been talking about being a uniter since was a little-known state senator from illinois thrust into the national spat light at the democratic convention. listen to a portion of his keynote address that made him a star. >> there is not a liberal america and conservative america. there is the united states of america. there is not a black america and a white america. and latino america and asian america. there is the united states of america. megyn: it was that speech that helped start this president winning national attention. but critics say recent remarks from mr. obama threaten to divide this country in a profound way for years to come. is that fair? what interests me here is
politico comes out which different' not a right-leaning publication. starts slamming president obama saying he and his advisors are keeping poe aizing. suggesting republicans hold to an offensive un-american philosophy. then they go on to say he's actually trying to suggest that his opponents are racially biased. does politico have a point? >> i think they have a point that he's campaigning and playing hardball politics especially come together point of trying to taint his opponent early on as out of touch with a lot of concerns most americans have. painting them as locking efforts to pass his jobs bill. megyn: that all fair it many other stuff going to the un-american place. >> i think that's part of it. i think when he go to the un-american they are saying they are not look out for the country. they are look out for their
political ends. at that point i think politico and people like me or tucker or anybody else will tell you he's playing hardball polarized politics. why ask this president to unilaterally disarm? republicans have been playing polarized politics since he got into office. >> this was an opinion piece that politico ran. it was written by a white house correspondent. the views are his own. there is nothing for the president to run on. it's not like he can point to the unemployment rate and say his jobs track brought it down. he doesn't have anything to run on. it's very different to say i disagree with my oh own don't what the president is saying which is they don't share my values. if you don't vote for my program, the one before congress, around bad person, you are somehow not fully american. that's a devisive case.
megyn: thank you for the clarification. the's important that it was an editorial piece. but the president -- what he said back in june 3, 2008 was this. he made this promise. what you won't hear from this campaign or this party is the kind of politics that sees our opponents not as come getter toes to challenge but enemies to demonize. has alived up to that, juan? >> i think he tried. this is from the republican perspective. when the democrats controlled the house and senate, some of those bills were rammed through without consulting with republicans and they felt he was playing purely partisan politics. subsequently to that to bridge that gap the republicans -- i think it's been a failure in terms of saying this is not a red america-blue america. i think the polarization has become worse. megyn: this piece claims's playing the race card with
comments like there is. watch this. >> i ran for president for the same reason many people came to this country in the first place, because i believe america should be a place where you can always make it if you try. a place where every child no better they look like, where they come from, should have a chance to succeed. megyn: every child no matter what they look like. then michelle obama said the same thing. no matter she is from, no matter what she looks like. is that a coordinated effort? off course it is. you are going to see much more of this. if you don't agree with me, then by definition you don't think that every child regardless of his appearance should have a chance. i think he's swiegd and offering moral support to the occupy wall street people. there is a deep string of volatility. who knows where it's going to go. for the president to put his approval on these protesters is
a dangerous thing. 1% of all americans are responsible for 100% of americans' problems? that's what he promised no to commit when he campaigned for president. >> let me respond to two things. on the racial fronts i didn't hear the racial aspect. megyn: don't put it on me, sir. this is back from the politico piece where they are quoting president obama suggesting that's racial bias. >> if that the example they are citing, i think clearly kids who are minority kids who live especially in the big cities knows the schools aren't work for them and we do have to make -- everybody in the country knows we have to make a biggest to reform urban education. tucker's point -- >> wait a second -- they eliminated school choice in d.c. it's just an argument how to do
it. he's saying my opponents don't think it ought to be done. that's unfair and that's the distinction. megyn: 32% believe the strategy is to divide people. let me finish my point. although the majority disagree with that and think it is a message of hope. thank you. coming up, much more on my one-on-one interview with lisa irwin's parents. her mother admits she may have blacked out drungt night her little girl disappeared. but that does not necessarily mean she has anything to do with her child's disappearance. we'll also talk with our panel about whether the latest information could significantly change the legal aspects of this case. here we are in the back of the house. over here in the trash you can see the box of diapers.
every time a local business opens its doors or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $7.8 billion to small businesses across the country so far this year. because the more we help them, the more we help make opportunity possible. i'm not a line item on a budget. and i'm definitely not a pushover. but i am a voter. so washington... before you even think about cutting my medicare and social security benefits... here's a number you should remember. 50 million. we are 50 million seniors who earned our benefits...
america's fastest and most reliable 4g network in over 140 cities. verizon. built so you can rule the air. megyn: "kelly's court" is back in session. critical new admissions putting a major twist into the disappearance of lisa irwin. the story not exactly matching up from the time debra bradley last saw her daughter until now when she is admitting she may have blacked out drunk that night. i asked both parents how is it an intruder could have walked in, turned the lights on without a -- without a peep or anyone noticing. isn't it bizarre that someone would come into the house, turn on the lights, take the cell phones, take the baby, not turn the baby monitor off, and nothing would be heard?
>> if you turn the baby monitor off there will be static on my end. >> that another reason [inaudible] nothing makes sense and we don't have any answers. megyn: we have breaking news. we are getting this fed in from about an hour ago when the police went back to the irwin family home as well as the neighbor's home. we were allowed to videotape some but not all, and took out bags of evidence from the neighbor's house along with using search dogser scent dogs to sniff for possibly the exit route of the baby. so joining me now to discuss it. kimberly guilfoyle, and lis weihl, also a former prosecutor and a fox news legal analyst. you have been watching the show. i want to get your reaction to what you heard so far. >> you are getting
inconsistencies coming late in the game. she was able to give you information that the police didn't even have in the questioning that you did. the fact that she has changed her story with respect to the time line and the last time she saw the child is significant. the fact that she admitted to be completely intoxicated, over five glasses of wine, that's significant. that's information that should have been give to the police right away. megyn: you don't know if she didn't tell the police she was drunk. but we know the police are saying she put the baby down at 10:30 and now she is saying i don't remember doing that. >> why didn't she tell the police -- and we don't know whether she did. but if she didn't, that's suspicious. why didn't she tell them. yes, i had that much to drink, i may have been blacked out. megyn: how does memory usually work? if you asked me what i did two weeks ago. i don't know if i would tell you the same story over and over.
>> if it's completely consistent that raises my antenna as well. at 12:16 i did that. that i don't believe either. but sootion monumental as the d but something as monumental as the disappearance of your child. you will remember every other step if you lost your child on that day. megyn: the father told me his alibi was that he was at the starbucks. apparently there is videotape of him at starbucks which is why i believe the cops are not look at him as closely. though they accused him of the two hours when he was home perhaps being involved. >> the father appears to be truthful and forth right. megyn: does she strike as truthful? >> we have seen many times when women accused of doing something to their children, they will cry
and be upset. but you also look at the body language in terms of her eyes. she is looking up when you are askinger in specific questions. she is looking up to the right. these are the things you will look at and police look at when they do an investigation. >> we have had other women that have killed their children and later found out where they were able to -- they weren't crying. and that was something that tipped off the police as well. megyn: they believe the intruder entered through that window. the parent had a dog in the backyard, so did the neighbors. look how close the neighbor's dog -- look how close the neighbor's dog gets to the front of house. watch. this right here is the window through which the family believes the intruder entered their home on the night in question. it leads into a computer room. through that computer room you can get to baby lisa's room.
right over here is the family's backyard. it's fenced in. they have a dog who stays in this backyard 24/7. they did not hear their dog bark. and here is the neighbor's house. they also had a dog who stays in the backyard 24/7. they tell me he back at just about everything. is it possible that dog nor this one heard anything on the night in question? you heard the sound bite from the mom. she said if the baby monitor had been turned off there would be static. >> she is saying she may have been blacked out. she may not have heard any of that. she would have been blacked out. so to be fair to her that story could be true. megyn: i'm thinking of the boldness of an intried.
the van wasn't in the driveway. >> they will look to say, they will do searches and go through the records and see if there is any registered sex offenders. all so it's very bold and braise on go to a house like that to steal a baby. so it has to be somebody from the area knows that baby is there. megyn: you saw how close the house are. across the street also close. are you telling me in the middle of the night someone would go up, houses right next and jimmy the window and jump through. is it possible? >> it's possible. >> maybe this mother is just admitting to you she blacked out. maybe she blacks out every night for what we know. i'm not saying that. maybe somebody else knows that. >> there is a window of opportunity there. they know perhaps she is
drinking with the neighbors. megyn: we have interesting news about the cell phones. we'll do that after the break. [ female announcer ] so you think your kids are getting enough vegetables? yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number? helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with the strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. at red lobster. there's so many choices. the guests love it. [ male announcer ] it's endless hrimp today at red lobster. amuch as you like ny way you like, like new sweet and spicy shrimp, all for $15.99. my name is angela trapp, and i sea food differently.
the cell phones they claim intruder took since they disappeared. no. >> i don't understand that at all. for mom and you lost -- or a dad and you lost your child to someone you don't know and there are potentially a cell phone record of that person and they have your child. you call that number again and again and again. you don't say no, i'll let the police take care of it. megyn: they say the calls made
at 2:30 was b.s. because the calls were restricted because they didn't pay the bill. >> you will find who was called. those phones could also be tracked. gps to find out where they are in case the perpetrator still has the phones. i want -- one of the things was struck by in interviewing the family is the mother was overcome with emotion as you would be. we are all mothers. i want you to take a look at this. i asked her about missing her baby. is it true that you never want to move back into your house? >> i don't. >> i kind of do. >> i want her stuff. her pictures and or pack-n-play
was there and her pillow was there. so it's still set up waiting for her. i'm sorry. megyn: does she strike as a truth teller? >> i think that the best part i have seen in terms of her emotional affect. but she is on prescription medication and it can be blunted. but there it seems she was talking about seeing her daughter in the future like she was still alive. >> she seemed to relate to that. can you fake that? >> we know psychopaths and sociopaths. yes, you can fake that. not saying that's what happened here. those tears may be coming because she does know little lisa is dead. she may know -- megyn: we'll have much more on
this tomorrow. thank you both. kimberly has more on "the five." when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's new glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and they have 6 grams of sugars. with 15 grams of protein to help manage hunger... look who's getting smart about her weight. [ male announcer ] new glucerna hunger smart.