tv The Young Turks With Cenk Uygur Current August 14, 2013 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
[ ♪ theme music ] >> cenk: welcome to "the young turks." our second to the last show on current. oh, tugs at your heartstrings. don't you worry about a thing. where can you always find us? you know it by now, the young turks.com. so we've got an exciting show for you guys. i'm going to get angry at different portions of the show. that's always fun, but we're going to start with a very serious topic, and it's egypt. in egypt we have an absolute mess, 149 people killed, and it's the military who has moved
against the muslim brotherhood. protesters in the streets blocking key intersections. i don't agree with the muslim brotherhood, i would vote against them with great fervor. i would vote against them, not shoot them. >> the streets were left chaotic. there is a dusk-to-dawn curfew in place. earlier violence erupted when the military used force to clear out two areas. they used armor and tear gas. the crowd fought back with rocks. a reporter from al jazeera english was there. >> there was smoke likely where
they try to confuse the helicopters that are circling above. >> morsi supporters have staged demonstrations since he was removed from power last month. today this man said "over our dead bodies we will not leave." the violence prompted interim president mohamme mohammed el re to resign. secretary of state john kerry condemned the violence. >> today's events are deplorable. and they counter to egyptian peace, inclusion and genuine democracy. >> cenk: yes, i agree with former senator now secretary of state john kerry on that. i don't think it was needed, obviously, and i'm sure that some egyptians will say it's easy for us to say in a from all the way over here. but as we saw in a previous
demonstrations, some of the bullets were fired from helicopters and there is no need to shoot at people from helicopters. i'm going bring i in the whole panel now. two great guests on satellite. colonel morris davis, and gitmo chief prosecutor in 2007. and david ka david cay johnstonr of "how fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." we have an egyptian correspondent noreen moustafa. i know you're not a fan of the muslim brotherhood. i don't want to put words in your mouth, but that's the sense that i get from all the different shows we've done
together. how much frustration was there over what the muslim brotherhood was doing, what were they doing, and what did you think about the response. >> they have been in cairo since morsi was ousted. there were people in the neighborhood complaining they had a lot of weaponry, and they had really built up their encampments as if they were ready for war. there is no way to look at this with a heavy heart and think this is a huge step back. so even though i am no fan of the brotherhood and they are governing, i was very disheartened to see this happen today. >> cenk: so a couple of things here. some that are against the brotherhood on social media say, you don't understand because
they were committing violent acts. is there truth to that? >> there is truth to that. it's counterproductive mud-slinging, you shot this person. no, you did this and you use children as human shields. there is monstrosity on either side. we need to see that a political solution was possible, and to find out that the interim government did this crackdown any way is really sad. >> cenk: colonel davis, my sense is that the strong is supposed to protect the weak and the government is supposed to show restraint begins it's own citizens, obviously. does it seemed like the government acted far too harshly in this case against the muslim brotherhood? >> there is a real dispute over who is the legitimate
government. morsi was elected in what was supposed free and fair elections. then we have this issue of what took place was a military coup or not. i think there are questions over what is the government of egypt. even with our engagement in egypt. general al sisi is a graduate from the war, so you would think that the u.s. would have influence in the region. chuck hagel has been in contact with general al sisi not to do this, and did he it any way. i think it's a test to find solution to this. >> cenk: what i'm concerned about is the outright violence, 149 killed. in an earlier set of protests
dozens were killed as well. there were clear shooting to kill from the military based on how the bullets hit the bodies based from the doctors on an earlier protest. what precedence does this set? if the military do this to the muslim brotherhood could they do this to other protesters? >> sure they can. you have to think about the history of egypt. for 800 years egypt was the intellectual capitol of islam. and then armies moved in. a substantial population simply do not want to live an islamist culture. they want to have a secular government. there are going to be a variety of position on this. what was the intelligence that
the military had that brought death to twice the number that you mentioned. what is it that led them to think that this was the appropriate response? they turned off a lot of people. the muslim brotherhood is the minority, but morsi got a little over 50% of the vote. that put him in office. >> cenk: noreen, let me turn to you as our correspondent here. you really are more intimately connected to what is happening on the ground. i start to worry about the prospect of civil war. yes, the morsi protests held up a rifle and said this is our egyptian army. not a lot of them are armed. then you have the army, and look, the muslim brotherhood was not well-known for their restraint in the past. now they've got every right to be angry. i'm afraid of what form that anger will take?
>> there were 16 churches burned across egypt today, including one that had fourth century relics. >> cenk: everyone always picks on whoever is weaker. and one of the reasons not to go to strife and violence is people take their prejudices and multiply them by ten. if i can't hit back at the military, i'm been to inflame my prejudices and in this case it's the christians. >> the perception of who is right and who is wrong in terms of our view of egypt, some call it coup because of military aid issues or because of the elections and democratic elected
leader. no matter what happens it's a different reality for people who live there. egyptian think, do we buy into who is elected or who is doing right or wrong. i think it's safe from here. >> i think the situation has devolved completely. i thought we were choosing between secretar secularism and, and now the secularism has been pushed aside. those are the people who started the revolution in the first place. >> cenk: we're in this conundrum a that it's good to starting democracy in this case literally a revolution, etc. but when things get afoot violence takes over and liberals don't do violence, and right
wing almost always wins. let's show who is happening at the medical center. an independent journalist took pictures there and some video. it's obviously stark imageses a little warning. as david mentioned a lot more people are hurt than the initial reports let on. i remember in the morning i saw dozens, then 150, and now it may be larger than that. colonel davis, what can you do? if you're liberal in egypt, and you have rifles and they're shooting from helicopters, ho hw do you win in that situation? >> deputy secretary of state burns, the e.u. and others in the region have been working around the clock trying to find a peaceful solution to this. it appears both sides were
making progress, and it was heading towards some kind of a sit down and talk and try to resolve this before the violence flared up today. but i know there are a lot of people who are disappointed that general al sisi chose this step, and it's just hard to see a goodougoodoutcome from this adve point today. >> well, egypt has been a police state as well as a secular state. there are several people who don't like the muslim brotherhood nor the police state tactics, they speak softly and quietly because they don't know who is an agent for the government. that is not good for the military. >> cenk: i don't know who it's good for. i was going to ask you the last question, noreen, in terms of of
that if the muslim brotherhood was committing violence, that it would have been a proportional response. can we all agree that this response was clearly disproportionate. >> that's one of the ways back to legitimacy, for the government to identify themselves, who is favor of this crackdown. who wasn't, get yourself on the record, and then take it to the courts for these church burnings and murders. we have to see return to law and legitimacy as soon as possible because it's chaos. >> cenk: yes, noreen moustafa, thank you so much for joining us. the best egyptian correspondent in the business. all right, now when we come back good news, a couple of jpmorgan bankers, criminal charges, will you look at that! we'll give you the details when we return. (vo) first, news and analysis
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pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that book book people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right? [ ♪ music ] >> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." down goes jpmorgan, no, let's not get excited. but there are two members of jpmorgan who are facing criminal charges, which in america is shocking news. wow, bankers chargedded with fraud and conspiracy. they did not get ina drew, who is the head of the chief investment office, and the people who the government claims
was tampering with trades. if you remember there was $6.2 billion in losses because of what they called the london n whale" in jpmorgan. how about the ceo, jamie diamond. don't be redic ridiculous, he we charged. two guys will face charges, and what are thos those? conspires, falsifying wire fraud and you'll get to that in a second. but carl levin, and this is what he had to say about it at the time. >> the risk and disregarded risk limits and manipulated risk models, dodged oversight and misinformed the public.
>> cenk: that seems pretty bad. let's bring david cay johnston if whoa is an expert on this and covers this area. what do you think about the charges, and are they appropriate for what you think about this case? >> they're very troubling. here's what happened. the trader in the center made a good record to protect himself. so they went after the person one step below and one step above him. but the report in the new york sometimes this morning has a very pregnant observation. it questions the upper level trader, the overseeing trader as saying that they were not to follow the rules as expected. and when the guy who isn't being charged, bruno iksil, when he said, what are you saying? that was orders of management, senior management from new york. that's the big question all along. how far did the knowledge go. if you remember when the story was leaked in 2009 it was not
believable. the claim was a hedge designed to reduce risk had morphed almost magically into a safe bet. just not at all credible. the question that congress didn't ask in the hearings, well, how were the traders compensated. did they get the most money if they reduced risk or did they get the most money if they made the most profit. we now know the answer to that. why are they not going higher up. where did these orders come from to not follow the rules. >> cenk: let's talk about that. that's very important. jamie dimon always makes the case, if banks are bigger then it's always better because we can use it for power against other banks as if it matters if a bank is american or not, right? he said no, we can control risks
so there won't be any problems. doesn't jamie dimon have to do one of two things? either we can't control the risk because i don't even know what is going on inside my company. i could lose $6 million and not realize it, or i am in charge of decision making, in which case he should be charged himself. >> jamie dimon has this legendary position with the media because of how they treat reporters. they control very carefully what he is asked and what he says. i have been told he does not use e-mail. he has expressed utter disregard to what the law has to say. having too big to fail banks doesn't mean you have marketable economics. if banks should have trouble, if it's serious enough trouble, they should fail. we're talking about a government
system of propping up companies. something that we're always criticizing the chinese companies for doing, propping up companies that should be allowed to fail. we're just as corrupt as they are in that. >> from an outsider's point of view, it seems like it's a way to equal the pressure or t, if s the case what reason would the justice department have to do that? >> no, i think the government needs to show it's done something. the general practice of the justice department is to go after the easy cases, the low-hanging fruit. that's what they've done here. it turns out the key trader was smart enough to know that this was going on to cover his tail with spread sheets, memos,
documents so that he was able to negotiate a non-prosecution agreement. there is a larger problem here. the justice department keeps focusing on the manipulations of the hedge funds. they've had several high profile cases. they ignored the elephant in the room, and that is thes the frau. and now the statute of limitations has run out. it's generally a five-year statute of limitations, and they didn't do that. there is a guy who knows how to do this, bill black, he saw to it that there were 3,000 felony convictions in the savings and loans scandal and several high level insiders, but the white house won't talk to him. and when he was supposed to testify before washington, he flew to washington and they would not let him appear.
no one wants to listen to bill black. he would have said, here's what you should have done. and too big to fail banks would have been pushed to become competitive businesses. >> there was another guy who knew about fraud on wall street, that was eliot spitzer. conveniently his bank found transactions and he was eliminated from the equation. it's unclear when the authorities will seek to arrest these guys. one of them is vacationing somewhere where we don't know, he said, i'll come back when i feel like it. another has gone on to france, and france said they won't extradite. as i was reading that, isn't that an interesting juxtaposition to edward snowden. my god, the president of libya cannot fly over our air space if they have snowden on board.
on the other hand if you've done billions of dollars worth of fraud, who cares, we won't turn you in. >> it's one of those cases where we're big fans of extradition when it's in our favor. with snowden it's been a big deal of late. we've had the 24 c.i.a. agents and air force officers of the italian courts convicted. you havand we're always happy to extradite going this way but not so keen when it's going the other way. i guess it's better that something than nothing, but it seems like a lot of these government cases force the guys at the bottom of the pyramid, and these traders were handsomely compensated, but it never gets to the tip of the pyramid where accountability ought to be. they should go after the bottom
layer of the pyramid first and then go up after them. >> cenk: david one last question to you regarding what colonel davis just said. is there any chance of getting all the money that these traders made for all these years while they were taking these wild risks? of course, when the risks go well they get compensated. can we get any of that back? >> i think jpmorgan has taken from the people not named to be indicted has taken back some of their compensation. i don't think the government has a case here as a party of interest, and i agree with the colonel. what we should be seeing is leveraging these two to get people higher up. the way this came out suggests to me that is not their focus. >> cenk: where we could have had claw back is the first financial crisis that was much, much larger, and we didn't do
anything there, and the statute of limitations is running out as we speak. a tiny step forward today. it is good news, and we wish they would do a lot more. now when we come back there is an emotional story about a dog that was shot by the police here out in los angeles area. and it's gone viral, and everyone was talking about this case. well, turns out there is some justice. but it's actually against someone you might not expect. we'll explain when we return.
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with us on this topic. she's an expert on this topic. she covered it on our online show. oh right, you can watch our online show even after this show goes away. any time you want to see what is in the news, go to youtube/tyt, too easy. you can google tyt at, boom, we pop up. no, don't go now. now one of the things we covered on the online show was the case of leon, it's a local story. he was haranguing some cops who were involved in a case. his rottweiler was with him. they go to arrest him. as the rottweiler jumps up, he was shot by the cops. there is an update, but first let me give a news package that
explains the whole story. >> leon first appeared in court today. he posted bail and then headed here to city hall where he provided a very visible reminder of his dog. >> i'm walking around with an urn with max in it. he wasn't just a dog. he was a family member. >> in this video that has been watched millions of times online, leon's dog max was shot by a thor hawthorne police. they presented council with hundreds of thousands of signatures calling for the firing of the officer who shot max. >> what more do you want him to do to prove he is not fit to serve the city. >> we want him charged with animal cruelty. we are serious. this is what we have left of max. this is what we have left of max. >> don't kill my dog. don't do it. >> reporter: hawthorne police say this second cell phone video
of the incident proves that max lunged at the officers. >> i don't go out and have individual conversation with anybody. i don't even know what they're talking about. >> rosby's attorney is preparing a lawsuit. >> we will pursue every remedy. what they did was outrageous. >> rosby is now considering a political career. >> if i have to run for office i will. [applause] >> rosby first has to deal with his legal challenges. if convicted of all the felonies he could face five years in prison. >> cenk: that is a report from kbc 7 in los angeles. i know the video went viral because it went viral on "the young turks."
our video has 3.2 million views, it's amazing. people are very fired up about that story, and they're partly fired up because of my analysis of it because i thought the cops were right for shooting the dog. i got a lot of hate mail for that. >> did they charge rosby for resisting arrest. >> they did, and you can see that he did not resist arrest. he walked up to the police and surrendered. he stood there while they handcuffed him. he was not resisting arrest. i don't want to have that discussion. sas far as he was intimidating the witness, i don't know. but as far as the charge resisting arrest, i do not buy it at all. >> cenk: i have no love for rosby. i think he's a pain in the ass.
he put his dog in jeopardy by having him out there. he harangued the cops while they were--they had people inside the house. they were trying to get people outside of the house without violence, etc. but resisting arrest, i saw the video. hhe 100% did not resist arrest. that's nonsense. i agree with you, ana. jayar, they arrested rosby and tell me how much i'm wrong. >> i'm not surprised. i would hope things like this wouldn't happen. if they've got to the point where they shot the dog, and i remember we talked about this originally. he lost the dog, and that's a personal loss. if you want to go on, leave it alone now. i think they're twisting the knife. if he was threatened, i'm sure the public has made their
judgment. losing a job, it all depends. i think there is a perception that this dog was about to attack. but if he's scared guy more than other people and he feels he has to shoot, that's up to him. but haranguing to the cops, talking down to them, he gets to do that. when somebody else yells at the cop, i guarantee you if he was in the way of this danger situation, the dog and the dog's owner would both be dead and in an urn right now. we know exactly how it would have gone down if this guy was in front of the cops, pushing them around, he would have been a dead man. >> he claimed that one of the police officers that was investigating that armed robbery that day was a defendant in a lawsuit he filed against the lapd. that's why he was filming with his smart phone. was he being a distraction, yes, i do believe he was being a
distraction. he has a history with the cops that leads him to not trust them. and that's the reason why he was doing what he was doing. >> cenk: that's one way to frame it. the other way to frame it-- >> can i bring up another aspect of this? i spent three years of my life changing the reputation of the lapd when i worked at the l.a. times and did a lot of coverage of southern california law enforcement. i agree that if he had been a threat to them, they would have handcuffed him, he would have been on the ground, and he well would have been shot dead. this issue of shooting dogs. 40 dogs a year get shot by police just in the city of milwaukee. in just recent weeks we've had reports that made the news about dogs shot in buffalo, chattanooga, louisiana, police shoot hundreds of dogs in this country every year. the question is should we be providing training about this and how to deal with these dogs?
every time you do more training you're talking about more money. but this is not--i'm surprised this particular case has drawn so much attention without seeing the bigger picture. a writer has done a terrific job oon the militarization of the place, disrespecting civil rights. the woman who was arrested for filming the police while standing on the porch of her own home. that's the larger problem. i agree with you and ana, cenk, that the guy was haranguing the cops and behaving in a way that would likely get him in trouble, he had aer right to film what was going on, but the larger question is how often these incidents happen and why? >> cenk: in that case, look, i saw the video. the reason they shot the dog because the dog was jumping
towards the cop. it's a rot we'ller. >> i'm not sure they needed to shoot the dog. >> cenk: if i have a rottweiler jumping towards me, i'll shoot it, and everyone will hate me, and then rosby will be out there, this is my dog in an urn. he loves the spotlight. >> you can't judge it because you don't know what it's like to have a dog that is like a family member. >> cenk: i don't know what it's like to have a dog that jumps at the cops. >> you can see the dog retreat on several instances, they shot him any way. >> cenk: no, they didn't shoot him when he was retreating. >> the second shot he's retreating. >> thank you. they decided to shoot three more times. >> cenk: they were putting the dog down. >> that's amazing that cops loves to use their tasers, batons, but in this case he pulled down the gun and shot the
dog. >> cenk: they don't care as much about dogs. >> i've been on the fence of the shooting of the dog because it's up to the guy who has the perception that the dog is going to bite him. they're worried about the dog. they call him a family member. i understand that. but what the consensus is this human citizen of the united states who pays his taxes and pays for these guys salaries can't talk to him. i'm hung up on that? why can't he harangue the cops? what are you doing in my neighborhood now? get out. and he could be wrong. maybe there is a threat to the community that they're pursuing, but because he's nuisance of a police. do you know how much of a nuisance the police are to us every day? >> that's a point, kemp, that goes back to what we talked earlier with egypt. the police don't solve crimes.
detectives are real bureaucrats with guns and they're clerks. a lot of of their work is clerical. it's citizens informing the police. when citizens don't trust the police. when they feel that their dogs are at risk, we get unsolved crimes. the important issue for the hawthorne police is to ask why are you not doing your best to have people trust you and rely on you so that we get a system that works well. the same issue raced by the overreaction of the military in egypt in attacking people and shooting people from helicopters. >> cenk: i got to leave and let you decide this. who is guilty, and who is right? >> i'm a dog owner, i was tweeting pictures of my dog this morning and my wife works for a veterinarian, we're dog owners. but got to side with you, cenk.
a rottweiler lungeing at you, the responsibility for the dog's death is on mr. rosby. i agree with the statement i never have individual conversation with anyone is an incredible statement. i will like to hear from the other person who made the other video who he alleged to have threatened. unless there is massive conspiracy with the police there may be validity to the charges. i'd let it play out in court and see what happens. >> cenk: the prosecutor has ruled. it's over, we win and we move forward. now, go to youtube/tyt put in hawthorne and watch the video yourself. you be the judge. when we come back, bradley manning actually speaks out at his sentencing. what did he say? it actually really bothered me the way that went down. i wish he hadn't said some of the things he said. i know he's in a tough spot.
[ ♪ music ] >> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." now let's talk about bradley manning. his sentencing is going on right now, and he came out and made a statement. his statement had portions that i did not love to be honest with you. now he's in a tough situation. he said, i'm sorry i hurt people. i'm sorry that i hurt the united states. i'm apologizing for the unexpected results of my actions. the last three years have been a learning experience for me. i think he has nothing to apologize for. i don't think his actions hurt anybody. i think his actions helped the country greatly. curious what colonel morris davis, former prosecutor for guantanamo bay, what is your
sense? >> first off, i was an expert witness for private manning. i don't want to present myself as an connective observer. but i think he had to before the judge take responsibility and apology. i don't think today was the time to debate the greater good. i think he did the right thing to try to cut his losses, mitigate the sentence that he might get, and i think david coombs his attorney did a fabulous job. but i think it truck the right tone, and i don't fault him at all. >> cenk: i think if i was charged for one of these things i would serve a long time. i'm sure you're right, colonel davis, that is a better strategy, but i could not bring myself to could "g" into that court and say i'm so sorry for
all the people i heard. he said, i should have kept it within the system. what a joke. come on, if he would have reported this up the chain, do you think there would have been any action taken? >> no, not likely. i think it would have been swept under the rug like most of these things are when you trying to through chain of command. but i think having spent three and a half years in prison already, i don't think this is the time to get on the soapbox and say he is on the right side of justice. i can't fault him for saying what he said. it was an unsworn statement. the prosecution didn't have a chance to cross-examine him. he didn't have 2 to say anythin. he could have remained silent but having been a defense attorney myself, the judge and the jury wants to hear from the person about to be convicted to say i'm sorry for what i did. >> cenk: i'm telling you, i
would go away for a long time. i'm not blaming bradley manning. he's facing 90 years. i'm blaming the system that put him in this spot. the defense talked about his personal issues, and he had a tough up bringing, he has gender identification issues, etc. again, it bothers me because he shouldn't have to say that. in my mind it was heroic. he let the american people know what the american government is up to. to have to say i had a tough childhood, i'm gay, etc. that just bothers me. >> the idea of mitigating circumstances is in the law clear back if the ancient world which is what i teach at law school. i'm not surprised they put the mitigating factors of having alcoholic parents, and his sister would have to give him a
bottle when he was little. i agree with colonel morris davis that it needed to be presented to the judge. but bradley manning is not an adult. he is a child. i think it's important for what manning did. we're better off for knowing the things that we knew, of course many were not secrets except to american citizens, but it was child like in the way he presented this. i'm sure that was probably part of the strategy of how to posture him before the colonel who is going to decide the length of his term. but this is not the occasion for him to say, i'm a hero. it was the occasion for him to say, i wasn't aware all of this would come out of it, which an adult would. >> i have a question for you,
jayar. on the one hand this kid is facing 90 years in jail. on the other hand we can't call him a hero. we have to say he screwed up he had a tough child childhood, et. well, snowden ran. either they're a hero or they have to admit their guilt. >> it has to be in the middle. say you're sorry, apologize, but maybe to your point for people who share your point of view. but then say, i did it for this reason. maybe spread the reason why he did these things. >> he actually did that. in his statement he said, i thought i was going to help people not hurt people. he talked about his motivation, that he thought this would help to bring an end to the wars. he did have what i think most people would call a noble purpose in diagnose what he did. >> he said just enough on that.
>> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." tomorrow will be our last show on current. but you can always us where? you got it, the young turks.com. but we did want to show you some of our favorite moments. i've noreen moustafa, our egyptian correspondent decided to chip in on this segment, and jayar jackson as well. and our executive producer steve lang has picked his favorite moments here. do you remember back in the elections when we had mitt romney to kick around. that was fun. >> the funny thing is every once in a while you have republicans,
oh, these democrats, sushi and arugala eating, volvo driving, new york times reading liberals. president obama back when he w e when he talked about arugula? you're going to talk about someone who talks about arug lurks ugarawhen you have a horsd rafalca? you're attacking him on arugula? it takes $77,000 to take care of rafalca? come on. that is unreal. >> that was a lot of fun. god, it was fun to beat up on
another favorite moment was during the chick-fil-a days, the korea had made a comment about gay americans and we sent a correspondent to get reactions. >> this is our final chick-fil-a. goodbye, chick-fil-a, but thank you for letting us have one more. it's too bad, they're so good. it's bun, chicken and pickles. >> we could continue to eat at chick-fil-a. >> what changed? >> what changes they have publicly put an exclamation point on how they feel about gay marriage. it was subtle. now they said you know what, we stand by it. when challenged on it, they said
we stand by it. we're opposed to gay marriage. >> guilty at charged. >> the president of the company, he doesn't hate gay people. that's not his agenda. his agenda is against gay marriage. that's enough for me to never eat here again. >> this is 2012, if you take a deliberate stand against gay marriage there will be unfortunate consequence as soon as no, we have to draw a line. last one, i promise. >> and since then, of course, chick-fil-a has gone out of business and we have won. oh, that didn't happen? okay, all right. so some great things. first of all, shana naomi krochmal was part of that, but now she's gotten married because gay marriage is now legal again in california because of the supreme court ruling. that is an interesting thing that has happened. michael shure is now host of the war room. ben mankiewicz was in that clip.
ben is a long-time co-host of the "the young turks." we started the show together on the radio and online, etc. but not a lot of people know this, but the original "the young turks" on current was supposed to be me and beth. but we didn't do that. >> wow. >> i also want to say i have not eaten at chick-fil-a at all. >> we should run through that and. >> michael, i question him. i don't think shana has? ben might, have you? >> no, but there isn't one nearby. i might have cracked. >> we have inand out. who needs chick-fil-a. >> here's what i know, we're going to see him on friday here in "the war room," he's coming back to los angeles. one final thought when we come back. ç]
>> cenk: where can you always see us? you know it, the young turks.com. later tonight we'll have another show there for you guys. always check out tubes at youtube/tyt. my friend john fugelsang is next with "viewpoint." bye-bye. >> john: rush limbaugh doesn't want school kids brainwashed into accepting transgender kids but it's totally cool to brain wash kids to despise them. and congressman dana rohrbacher goes to town hall and assures his constituents that claim change is an evil plot by 97% of the world's scientists and nasa to convince people that