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tv   Hearing on Carjackings Federal Response  CSPAN  March 4, 2022 3:08am-5:16am EST

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this meeting will come to order. i think the witnesses for attending. a couple of things i would like to mention at the onset. first, we are all grieving with the senate -- lost her husband
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to cancer. it was a heroic battle for many years. and a sterner person and date success in business. took his wealth and used it to help others in a tremendous fashion. he is particularly smitten with the himalayas. he created the himalayan foundation to try to spare some of the people who live in that region some of the worst aspects of poverty. he was an exceptional man and i know that she is sad as she should be but we are happy to have known him and have seen his vision of the world. secondly, as everybody knows, i am sure president biden announced his up in court nominee on friday and we submitted the questionnaire and received the response last night. this lengthy questionnaire, including reference to 578
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opinions she handed down on the district court. an ample display of perfect philosophy which all members now have the opportunity to look at in detail. having said that, i will read the openings to me for the hearing and thank all the witnesses for being here. today, our committee will consider how the federal government can help prevent the surge in carjackings. have a person stick a gun in your face and force you to get out so they can silly car. that is the situation that no such -- american should have to face. this sheriff has read the stories that i read regularly. one time, a young man with a gun got into a car to force the man out and took the car and drove off. he was stopped and was 11 years old.
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11. this sort of thing is incredible. experts appointed to a number of factors that may have contributed to the increase in violent crime, including economic and social disruption. there is no evidence, nine, that an increase in carjacking is due to any specific administration policy or do to bipartisan reform follow-up -- signed in by president trump. only eight have been returned to prison for committing new crime, only one for violent crime. let me be clear, the increasing carjackings started during the last administration and get 10 in use in this ministration. it is impacting communities led by both democratic and republican elected officials, not a red or blue problem, an american problem. i reach across the aisle to work on bipartisan solutions to protect the american people like
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the violence against women act and i hope we can do that on this issue. it is important to note that preventing and bras getting violent crimes bramalea state and local response ability but there is an important role for the federal government. first, we need more information on the prevalence of this crime and we cannot settle a problem if we do not understand it. i call the fbi and justice department to get -- i heard from the u.s. attorney general on his holdover from the previous imitation on some of the challenges in bringing federal carjacking cases. working on bipartisan legislation to address as we have learned in the so-called war on drugs, you cannot incarcerate your way out of the problem. one important step may involve the auto industry. collaborating with law enforcement on steps that will in --
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always looking ahead on issues and this is one that she spoke out on. in january, i wrote to the apartment of jazz rotation and the auto industry to deport -- swift law-enforcement access to vehicle to cash if they are more likely to get caught and there are higher barriers to selling a cardiac vehicle, they may think twice. we also need to ensure they have the resources to fight carjacking. the american rescue plan was passed last year included $350 billion including some to law enforcement and investing in intervention programs. president biden's request call for significant funding and -- request for law enforcement groups. we must work together across the aisle to get the bills still pending for the fiscal year which we are and to cross the
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finish line. i hope we can do that soon. we also need to ensure the president's well-qualified u.s. attorney and u.s. marshals are swiftly confirmed. hard to imagine we have senators going up u.s. attorney's and marshall's on random basis because of some grievance he has overseeing a letter of the department of justice. that isn't fair to law enforcement or the communities they represent. we need to get to the root cause that would get a young person to start carjacking. improving social services. diverting children from criminal justice systems to programs to give them a chance. these kids, as that is the stories are, came to the earth in the usual way. their lives took a dramatic turn for the worse and maybe through no fault of their own. it is a great organization. they did tell us about our
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efforts. we will hear from a distinct panel of witnesses as part of the solution and turning out to my friend. >> the first thing i would say in regard to what was said about the loss of her husband. i would associate myself with his remarks but i would also personally know in my working with her as her ranking member as the committee, but also for the longer years i working with her as cochairs of the caucus that this has been a burden for her in recent years and we cannot help but simply for what she is going through and what she has gone through and i think it is appropriate what you said and in regards to judge jackson, i would like to speak to republicans about that and one
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little aspect about that is i do not know how many of our 50 republicans want to have a meeting with the judge jackson, but my meeting with her on wednesday, but other people either through me or through your own actions, make sure that if you want to have a meeting, you say that early so we do not get criticized for stringing people along just to stretch out what might be seen as not moving quickly enough. i think you might want to let the white house know if you want to meet with them. i think you chairman for holding this hearing. this is an important and serious topic in congress has an important role to play in combating the rise of violent crimes and carjacking is just one of them.
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people often can for -- confuse carjacking with motor vehicle theft, but carjacking is much more dangerous. we are not talking about having a car stolen from a parking lot, we are talking about when somebody uses violence or the threat of violence to take control of a car from someone else. for example, cars are being taken from parents at gunpoint while their child is still in the vehicle. a member of the illinois legislature was in her car with her husband when a masked man with guns order them out of their car and she begged them not to shoot her or her husband their lives were not -- only saved when the husband returned fire. these carjackers -- strategically figured out where to do carjackings, how many to commit to the project, so that
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they can overwhelm the local police, in which cars to target. hijacked cars are then being used by gangs and criminal organizations, they use fake license planes -- plates to disguise the cars and then use them as getaway cars to disguise other crimes. carjackings directly feed the nationwide search of other crimes. the increase of violent crimes for carjacking is a part of another disturbing trend nationwide. murders have grown 30% in 2020. early data suggests murder has increased 10% and 2021. that is thousands of lives needlessly lost. attacks on law enforcement are
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up. police officers have reported the most on-duty debts since 1995. including the 90 -- 9/11 attacks. they are struggling to find high quality recruits to fight join the air force. it is time to start looking -- providing federal manpower and overwhelm cities, some like mayor lightfoot of chicago, i requested federal resources or proactive policing, also predictive policing, but proactive policing and increasing the number of available law enforcement officers as a part of the
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solution and a very important part, but not the only part. expanding the toolkit of federal prosecutors, could also be an effective resource. and an effective response. i am looking at expanding the reach of federal car -- carjacking statute. prosecutors at the state level have told criminals they will not get in trouble for certain crimes. well, that will not fly with the federal government. this hearing on carjackings is a good start and i look forward to more hearings on violent crime against law enforcement and a homicide spike. i look forward to focusing as a body on different areas of violent crime and how we in congress can solve it. it is also critical that we exercise our important oversight authority of federal agencies involved in monitoring and
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reducing crime. obviously, that is the justice department for one. congress needs to know if what the doj is currently doing is making enough of an impact on crime and safety. we also need oversight so that we can redirect ms. focused energy and resources. spending government resources on so-called iron pipeline's, ghost guns, and unlawful firearm dealers is not going to help bring crime statistics down. these liberal priorities affecting tiny fractions of overall crimes should be pursuing policies that actually will make an impact on the massive crime surge. thank star witnesses for being here today and the hard work that you have put in to your testimonies. >> thank you.
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this is the elected sheriff of cook county. he has served since 2006. prior to that he was an assistant state attorney in the illinois -- house of representative. >> just hardeman is the former u.s. attorney of ohio served as the vice chair for the advisors committee. specializes in government investigation of criminal and civil litigation. currently serves as judge advocate in these u.s. air force reserve. executive director of the metropolitan -- chicago. at mpi, he oversees team working with --
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he has received his ba from stanford, masters from midwestern and served in managerial positions in the nfl and chicago public schools. i understand the senator would like to introduce the next one. >> i'm happy to welcome chief garcia. we were together just last week talking about the right care initiative there in dallas where mental health professionals deployed with police officers and social workers to try and de-escalate people with mental health crises and divert them to appropriate treatment as opposed to simply putting them in jail. chief garcia has spent 29 years as a patrol sergeant, night detective, and homicide
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detective in san jose before being appointed in february of 2021 as the 30th police chief of the dallas police department. he studied at the administration of justice into patino california in his three decades of serving and protecting our streets, chief garcia has built a reputation as one who leads by example. he considers himself a blue-collar chief who regularly patrols with new recruits and young officers. since his appointment, chief garcia has focused on reducing violent crime in dallas and has had measurable success. under his leadership, dallas police has strategically engaged specific high crime communities focusing on the most serious and violence offenses. as a result, dallas seemed to give him reduction of crime in high crime areas and in the city overall.
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since may of 2021, the city's murder rate has dropped by 27%, aggravated assault by six and a half percent, and more robberies by 28%, and overall violent crime by 13%. the statistics speak for themselves. while other cities our expensing spiking crime waves but they have not seen in 30 years, i am proud of the work the chief has done and the dallas police department along with the mayor and a city council there in dallas to promote smart policing and public safety. sometimes, we refer to the states of democracy, that is what justice referred to, but i think the cities can also be laboratories where we demonstrate what works and what does not work and i think there is a lot to learn and a lot of the rest of the country can learn from the leadership of
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chief garcia and the dallas police. while some other major cities have succumbed to the siren calls of defunding the police, dallas took the opposite approach. increasing funding in support for the police officers. ford turned the floor over to him, i would like to thank you chief for your presence here today as well as all of the other witnesses and i want to thank you for your service and your testimony and state and collateral -- federal collaboration is vital as we work towards dealing with federal -- violent crime in america. my staff reminds me that one of the components that we have used at the federal rebel -- level is the effort to get felons in possession off the street and prosecute violent gun crime
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which i know has been contributed to some of this success in dallas, so thank you for being here and thank you to all of the witnesses for being here and for your contribution to our efforts to try and address the serious public safety concerns. >> previously served as president ceo of global automakers. prior to joining the automotive industry, he served as new york city's directors of state of legislative affairs and began his career as public policy. graduate of cornell university. president and ceo of the crime insurance bureau. before that, special assistant of the president and senior director of homeland security at the white house. served as special agent with the fbi, including as a supervisor
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as special agent of the counterterrorism division. for that, -- i think the witnesses for coming here today. the mechanics are pretty straightforward in this committee, we will swear in the witnesses for an opening statement and each senator will have five minutes ask questions. let me asked the witnesses to police band and show their hand. you affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and our first witness. >>
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sheriff dart: i am the sheriff of cook county, illinois. in chicago, carjackings tripled over the last decade last year, there were 2000 carjackings, or about one every four hours. new york city, they quadrupled over the past years, in philadelphia, incidents are up 300% since 2015 and in the district of columbia, carjackings have almost tripled in the last two years. anyone in a car is a potential victim -- you, your spouse, children, parents. and even lawmakers. a state senator from illinois was carjacked. a pennsylvania congresswoman was carjacked. gay scanlon was carjacked as well. one victim in chicago told us she was brushing show -- brushing snow off her toyota
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when two men pointed a gun and demanded keys. another case, retired physician stopped at a gas station in chicago, the carjacked or put a gun to her head and demanded she get out. a struggle ensued, the offender pulled her from the driver's seat, for her to the ground and kicked her before speeding off in daylight. these women are among the more than 4000 victims in cook county since 2020. our office has catalogued and analyzed nearly 4000 carjacking events in's 2020. the key to successful prosecution is recovering the vehicles quickly. manufacturer installed equipment
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is commonly available in most vehicles built after 2015. but while some manufacturers can be very helpful, others can be reluctant in tracking carjacked vehicles. some auto companies have limited hours. . sometimes, staff are poorly trained and demand we obtain warrants which are not relevant. in some companies, there is a charge to initiate tracking of the car which was stolen. an air force veteran tried to get her vehicle tracked by the manufacturer with no success. after my office got involved, it still took two days to get the vehicle location in the car was used in other crimes including another carjacking at gunpoint. we believe auto manufacturers can be a great ally in this battle. they already innovated the technology needed to track stolen vehicles. now, they need to communicate in a consistent way with law enforcement. two weeks ago, we had a great example of how the system should
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work. after a chicago woman was carjacked, she had problems getting tracked. our office was able to coordinate a call with her and toyota to grant our office permission to track the vehicle. after having to pay eight dollars, though. we were able to safely recover her vehicle. i wrote to major auto manufacturers to suggest a single, 24/7 phone number police could used to get tracking data on any hijacked vehicle. we have had promising discussions general motors onstar has been very receptive and initiated a streamlined communication system. we have had conversations with the alliance for automotive innovation as well. talks are ongoing or alliance indicated leanness to work toward sustainable solutions, but time is of the essence. this crime has real economic impact. business districts in major cities are experiencing a slower
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than expected post-pandemic rebound part because dimer -- diners and shoppers are afraid of being carjacked. this is the case in chicago. chairman durbin is urging the u.s. department of transportation to work with the auto industry to increase police tracking data and carriage the bureau of data statistics. this violent crime is done to obtain an anonymous car to create more violence. carjackings are easy to commit and difficult to prosecute. i am a former prosecutor. the quicker we can get that vehicle, the less chance it will be used in another crime and we will more likely be able to convict somebody. the longer it takes, the less likely we can convict anyone. thank you for the opportunity to speak today. justin: iq for the opportunity to speak to the committee today -- thank you for the opportunity
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to speak to the committee today. my name is justin herdman, and i served as u.s. attorney for the northern district of ohio comprised of ohio' s 40 northernmost county including my hometown of cleveland. violent crime has touched all types of communities, but it is in our major cities were the most profound crime problems plague our nation. while many of the cases are best prosecuted of the local level, certain categories of violent crime call for heightened prosecutorial response. i have seen greater need for expansion of federal law enforcement activity overall, and to prosecute carjacking. cleveland has witnessed a recent surge in all violent crimes, but are jacking increased at an alarming rate. based on data, cleveland experienced 200 85 carjackings in 2019. the number shot up to 355 in
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2020, an increase of 25% and went up to 400 33 carjackings in 2021. thus, the overall number of carjackings in 2021 was 50% higher than it was just years before, with a carjacking being committed on average more than once per day. behind each of these numbers are victims who are forever changed. in summer 2020, i highly -- highlighted one such case when we announced operation legend for the city of cleveland. in 2020, a 17-year-old was returning home from soccer practice when he was senselessly murdered in a carjacking. eric's family had fled to cleveland from war-torn congo, only to see their son killed in a takeover of his vehicle. at a 25-year-old off-duty cleveland policeman was shot and killed in a carjacking. the individuals arrested had
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numerous prior arrests for vehicle-related deaths and robberies. these tragic cases are among hundreds of carjacking offenses committed in cleveland that, while not always resulting in injury or death, still posed outsized threat to the public. any robbery involves use of force and is a violent crime. but here, the object taken is itself in motion and poses a variety of dangers. this requires the perpetrator to act quickly with force in order to obtain compliance from the victim. based on my experience, the likelihood of force used in a carjacking is much higher than in other violent crimes, which makes this a pernicious offense. carjacking is also a facilitation crime. while there are many examples of the crime being committed for purposes of joyriding, in my experience, a vehicle that is carjacked is most likely to be used for violent crimes
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including premeditated shootings or aggravated robberies. this means carjackings tend to be committed in serial fashion and usually by more than one person. one last point involves the prevalence of juvenile offenders in these crimes. in march last year, 10 teenagers ranging in age from 14 to 19 were arrested for a series of 30 armed carjackings and violent robberies in cleveland. for purposes of fastening and effective federal response, i offer the following suggestions. first, the addition of a conspiracy offense to the federal carjacking statute. this would allow for inappropriate expansion of federal prosecutions into preventing carjackings before they occur. second, prioritizing carjacking responses in planning by federal investigative agencies, especially violent crime task worse is staffed by federal,
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state and local law enforcement. i encourage a similar planning process to be undertaken nationwide by the doj to identify assets and resources that could be deployed to cities dealing with a rash of carjackings. third, it would be important to develop a nationwide best -practices for carjacking response investigations that could be provided to every big city officer. and forth, the prosecution of juvenile carjacking offenders will continue to be handled primarily by state and local authorities. but since many of the most violent juvenile offenders will have had prior contact with justice system, there is a place for screening of high-risk offenders and ensuring robust rehab services available to those youth. thank you. chair durbin: thank you.
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. mr. bryant. vaughn: my name is von bryant, i'm executive director of the division of metropolitan family services. metropolitan family services has helped chicago families meet the hardships of poverty, natural disasters, wars and economic downturns since 1857. in 2016, we formed peace initiatives to put power in community hands and engage residents to participate in the solution of gun violence. i came to this having grown up in detroit, michigan. i am the son of a detroit police officer and a product of the police athletic league, where officers coached me in football, bass or coal -- football, basketball and baseball before i became a fourth-round draft pick. it is my privilege to introduce
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to you my metropolitan peace initiative, which coordinates support across agencies made up of local organizations rooted in violent areas in chicago. for the first time in chicago history, organization with -- organizations with proven violence prevention outcomes have come together dedicated to preventing violence and delivering services to heal communities at high risk of violence and provide opportunities for individual rehabilitation. chicago's escalating violence in 2016 saw 762 individuals killed by guns and 4580 individuals shot, an increase of 50% and 47% respectively, along with unrest related to the murder of look one mcdonald and this demanded a
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new approach. this led local leaders to form the community partnership for peace,cp4p, which came together to reduce violence and nine violent neighborhoods in chicago. today, it has 14 partner agencies and is active in 28 chicago communities. the program targets individuals at most risk for perpetuating violence or being a victim and provides interventionk, street out -- intervention, street outreach workers to create peace and not aggression agreements, provide case service to address social determinants of health. community-based events that we held in fall, winter and spring and we introduced a multidisciplinary platform that
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provides training to strengthen community violence prevention outreach. it features an 18-week 144-hour curriculum shaped and taught by street outreach workers and guided by professional standards. the start of -- since the start of cp4p, shootings declined in target areas, where shootings and homicides were increasing 2% per month before cp4p. this led to an overall reduction of 17% on average in the first 30 months of operation. this is pre-covid numbers. according to the chicago officer violence prevention dashboard, there have been roughly 2000 vehicle or hijackings in chicago since january 2021. we saw a slight drop in
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carjackings and the words we served. however, we did not get the funding to formalize the initiative and properly evaluate the impacts. we have funded three different organizations to work across 16 boards on the carjacking initiative, but it is something we would love to move forward. a history of slavery, convict leasing, jim crow, housing discrimination in mass incarceration has taken a toll. chicago means one of the most segregated cities in the united states. public trust in institutions continues to suffer because of bad actors because of police commander jon burge, found guilty of torturing 120 people. operation great lord is an fbi case where 92 officials faced indictment, many convicted including judge tom maloney for taking by -- bribes for fixing murder cases. recent police shootings have
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community relations that an all-time low. recognizing that any successful crime reduction approach includes violence production -- prevention and trusted partners in law enforcement, cp4p created the training academy along with the chicago police department. the community training academy provides curriculum for community-specific training for probationary officers and district court nation officers, and officers recently transferred to a district. through a 24 hour curriculum, every police district learns to apply a hyper local lens to community -- communities they serve. based on our survey results, 95% of the officers have had positive experience in the training.
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cp4p meets on a bimonthly basis with local police commanders to identify violent hotspots, coordinate interventions and address quality-of-life issues. law enforcement can't provide the healing that comes from social service support, but can work in tandem with violence prevention interest structure -- violence prevention infrastructure. cp4p is a vital part of a larger prevention ecosystem. it must be part of the solutions. thank you. chair durbin: thank you, mr. bryant. chief garcia. would you make sure you are on? chief garcia: members of the committee, thank you. i am before you today as the chief of police in dallas, texas.
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it is my privilege to testify. we are here to discuss the rise in carjackings throughout the country. this is part of a larger increase in violent crime which has disproportionately impacted mcca members. our brave officers continue to work tirelessly to keep communities safe. the most recently mcca crime report shows america is in the midst of a violent crime wave. in major cities, homicides in 2021 were up approximately 49% compared to 2019. carjackings have continued to rise. in several cities, rates of more than doubled in the past few years. factors driving the increase include financial gain -- gain, but mostly to further violent activity. many carjackings are committed by juveniles seeking to gain
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notoriety on social media or as part of gang initiations. identifying and preventing this before it occurs at holding individuals accountable is the best course of action. violent offenders continue to cycle through the criminal justice system. da's at times are reluctant to prosecute some crimes and judges continue to release violent offenders pretrial. the general lack of accountability nationwide is contributing to the increase in violent crime in carjacking. recruitment and retention remain challenging and understaffing has contributed to officer or not. at the executive level since 2020, more than half of member agencies have experienced a change in leadership. such turnover is dangerous to public safety and can make it extremely difficult to institute culture change. while some other cities are seeing reckless homicides, my
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city has experienced a decrease and it is not by chance. the reduction of violent crime in dallas would not be possible without the support of city government, the work of the dallas police department and criminologists from the diversity of texas. -- from the university of texas san antonio. i would like to thank them for the work they do every day to keep dallas safe. our strategy centers on a violent crime reduction plan that wearable -- that relies heavily on data and was formed by criminologist. it focuses on hotspot policing. based on crime mapping, we have broken the city down into microgrids and developed a visible presence of safety. the mix of engagement and
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enforcement has driven down violent crime by 50% on violent crime as a whole citywide. the plan strategies include placed network investigations. dallas pd works with other stakeholders by strengthening neighborhoods and reinvesting in the communities. strategies include deterrence to change behavior of high-risk offenders included provision of services and when necessary, enforcement. violent crime in dallas decreased in 2021 and is down 17% year to date. given the success of the work of the men and women of the dallas police department, i encourage fellow chiefs to work in conjunction with criminologists to develop their violent crime or graham that meets the unique needs of their communities. many mcaa members are working
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with federal partners to address carjacking. these efforts should become standard. programs such as project safe neighborhoods will be critical and must be adequately resourced. to support these efforts, congress must help build capacity at the u.s. attorney's office to support additional prosecutions. proactive policing is critical and will be key to reducing violent crime overall, which will drive down carjackings. proactive policing and subsidy says become a luggage or he -- as become a luxury, especially in cities with high murder rates at low morale. much of the recent federal assistance provided to localities as not being used for law enforcement. congress should consider providing additional assistance and fund grants.
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continuing anti-law enforcement rhetoric has left officers feeling vilified and criminal offenders often bolstered. support for law enforcement has never been more vital. the support of the mayor and city council have been integral in dallas' efforts to reduce violent crime. reform and proactive public safety are not mutually exclusive bed without the sacrifice of our men and women, no plan will be successful. this exit -- the successes we have had demonstrate communities are safer when investments are made, officers are supported and stakeholders work together. thank you. chair durbin: thank you. mr. bozzella. john: on behalf of the alliance for automotive innovation and our members, thank you for the opportunity to appear today to
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share my perspective on the troubling rising carjackings and the auto industry's work to be a constructive voice and broader efforts to address this challenge. despite vehicles' increasingly advanced safety features, over the past two years, roadway for tile teas have increased dramatically. the first nine months of 2021 saw a 12% increase compared to the same. th -- the same period in 2020. we look forward to a safe systems approach to improving safety. this model, which acknowledges shared responsibility, may offer a guide for examining other complex challenges. another disturbing trend has been the increase in carjacking across the u.s. i came to appreciate the scope of this challenge following outreach to our members from
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sheriff dart of cook county, illinois, to address the rise of carjackings, including tracking these vehicles. we engaged with sheriff dart and his team to understand their challenges. we also brought together our entire membership to take a deeper look at this issue. over the past two months, our members have been meeting the most weekly to examine potential opportunities to improve collaboration with law enforcement. i want to show my appreciation for sheriff dart and his staff, along with you and your team, mr. chairman, and others, to elevate this conversation. the sharing of location information needs to be appropriately balanced with consumer privacy. the auto industry takes this seriously and in 2014, came together to commit to privacy
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principles. those principles prohibit an automaker from sharing vehicle location information with any unaffiliated third party without affirmative consent of the vehicle owner. the principles permit sharing of vehicle location information with law enforcement in the absence of affirmative consent if law enforcement obtained a warrant or court order or in an accident -- in an exit gent circumstance -- exigent circumstance. as we work together on this topic, there is a variation in capabilities of automakers. we quickly learned this. we understand there is substantial variation between oems as well as variation of
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capability within some lame -- some automakers. while it is true that many modern vehicles have conductivity capability that may allow them to be located, it is not universally the case but second, law enforcement verification, the importance of verifying that a request for vehicle location information from law enforcement is in fact legitimate, related to inactive carjacking. third, exigent circumstances verification. appropriate consideration must be afforded to defining an -- an exigent. does it only apply when a vehicle is taken by force? is it only when a driver or passenger is in danger?
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we should have a process to certify that there are exigent circumstances which make it practical to receive consent of the vehicle owner or a court order. fourth, exposure to liability. the sharing of real-time location information with law enforcement is a sensitive topic and may expose an automaker to liability and thus should be taken into account when evaluating solutions. the auto industry is committed to remaining a constructive partner in the effort needed to address this. much like our work with dot on safe systems, we look forward to examining ways to addressing this challenge. i want to recognize the chairman and ranking member and members of this committee for continuing this critical conversation. chair durbin: thank you. mr. clawe.
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david: thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the national insurance crime bureau. i am the president and chief executive officer headquartered in des plaines, illinois. we are exclusively dedicated to leading efforts to combat insurance crime. nicb is at the intersection of law enforcement and the insurance industry, situated to serve as the information-sharing hub for the government and private sector and provide support in identifying, preventing and deterring insurance-related crimes. nic about -- nicb's approximately 400 employees work with law enforcement across the country to fulfill its mission.
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some of the seminal cases in which we provided assistance include the 1993 world trade center bombing, the oklahoman city bombing, the 9/11 attacks at the national christmas day bombing 2020. the country is facing an unprecedented rise in vehicle thefts and carjackings. the data is explained in my written statement. states with the worst car theft runs between 2019-20 to one -- 2019-2021 include colorado, wisconsin, new york and washington dc. carjacking numbers are staggering. cities with the worst trends between 2019-2020 one are new york city, a 286% increase. philadelphia, 230 8% increase. chicago, 207% increase.
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d.c., 200% increase. new orleans, 159% increase. many carjackings are committed in furtherance of other violent crimes, and many are committed by juveniles, some as young as 11. as one chicago car? put it, the number-one reason kids are coming carjackings is to carry out shootings. nicb partners with law enforcement to resolve this case is. in 2021, nicb assisted a multiregional auto theft task force in the state of new york. we provided an undercover car and operational funds for equipment. 33 individuals have been arrested. nicb appreciate the committee's focus on these serious problems. we believe several measures can
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be taken at the state and federal levels. they allude increasing unity policing programs -- they include increasing community policing programs. we need more community policing, not less. second, revisit criminal justice were form -- criminal justice reform policy. an act championed by this committee represented a monumental achievement for criminal justice reform, but some jurisdictions may have gone too far. criminal justice reform must be balanced. third, enforce laws as written. some enforcement reform policies have effectively nullified these laws. fourth, focus on violent
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offenders. the most violent offenders commit the majority of crimes. law enforcement should focus on programs that prioritize enforcement of the most serious offenders such as project safe neighborhoods pay for, collect data on carjackings. the committee should consider directing the fbi to collect statistics and analyze connections between carjackings and violent crimes. and finally, identify successful intervention program it. another important tool is early intervention programs targeting at-risk youth. chairman, members, thank you again for the opportunity to be here today. chair durbin: thanks. i have two questions. the first question is privacy, sheriff dart, and mr. bozzella
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raised a good point. there are circumstances where there may be a dispute as to the owner of a car, a testy divorce proceeding or whatever it happens to be, and automobile manufacturers certainly want to cooperate with law enforcement but don't to get caught up in a tangle that leaves them open to liability. that is my first question, the second question, i asked the ceo of walgreens, why is under arm deodorant under lock and key in your stores. he said because there is a secondary market for theft that is going to end up at a flea market, so we try to stop the theft at the source, with the smash and grab and the like. is there something in the world of automobiles that has created a secondary market that you
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might address after sheriff dart speaks to privacy? sheriff dart: thank you, senator. the privacy issue israel. but for starters, the victims are with us and have given consent. if there are bad actors using this for the wrong purpose, there are plenty of ways you can charge these people. i do not think that is the reason we should be paralyzed. i was on a carjacking mission last weekend i can't tell you, it was a great idea of how this would work. we had one car we were tracking. our biggest question was which one of our cars was going to pull him over and arrest him, a person that had a warrant and was in for shooting police officers. we got him into custody no issues. in another car we were working
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with, we were in the backseat looking for license plate readers looking for cars on our list. by the time the license plate reader hits, they are on the expressway and are now five miles down, and we are completely operating in the dark. when it is tracked, we are on top of it. when not tracked, it is completely random and we occasionally get lucky. this privacy issue israel, but cannot be slowing this down because we need this right now. this could be the game changer. other things could be impactful a little, but tracking is everything. john: we are working with law enforcement to find a way to get the balance right and think we are making progress. we think we can do this in a way
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that balances consumer privacy with consumers'need to be protected from cart -- consumers' need to be protected from carjacking. david: we have long-standing relationships with the fbi, homeland security and customs and border objections -- border protection. we have done car investigations for over 100 years. regarding secondary markets, carjackings are usually associated with drive-by shootings and other offenses. but the secondary market for auto thefts is different. we have seen 39% increase in used vehicles the last two years. there is high demand and low supply. cars are being stolen in the u.s., swaps are utilized to
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resell the vehicles, they are shipped overseas by middle east criminal enterprises and i investigated hezbollah and my prior job as head of intelligence for dhs, cars are also shipped mexico. repeat -- we repatriate hundreds of cars a year from mexico that are stolen. we could even get into catalytic converters. there is a lot of profit being made right now in this industry for criminals. senator grassley: you heard my opening remarks about carjackings being up nationwide at alarming rates. federal prosecutors have a role in bringing federal carjacking charges.
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i want to give prosecutors the tools to keep our communities safe. what has been the federal role in taking down gangs from carjackings and related rustic you should? justin: thank you, senator. carjacking is absolutely in the toolbox of any street gang in major american cities. gangs will tend to engage in shootings and other intimidation tactics. but robbers, aggravated robberies and car thefts are important because they help facilitate other crimes. when you are looking at a street gang or other violent criminal organization, it is important to identify predicate offenses those gangs are committing,
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because that allows investigators to build a ricoh investigation -- rico investigation. carjacking plays in a pleasing -- place an increasing role in those organizations and will form the basis for prosecutions that can take down an entire gang all at once. senator grassley: for mr. clawe, when a vehicle is carjacked, law enforcement once to find it before it can be used in another violent crime. what ways does the industry currently cooperate with law enforcement? justin: nicd has -- nicb has
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been partnering with law enforcement for 100 years, we are a have bridging the gap between the private sector and insurance industry and law enforcement workers. we are generally protected by statute in sharing privileged information in most states. any impediment to that negatively impact the crime-fighting mission, and the public. senator grassley: let me lead into a question for chief garcia and mr. herdman to respond to. increasing officers and patrols seemed to work very well. with a rise in defund the police rhetoric, law enforcement across the country as it struggled to gain enough officers to go out
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on standard patrols. the biden administration has continued initiatives like operation legend. chief garcia, can you explain how having officers physically present and on patrol in certain areas are an integral part of reducing crime? and for mr. herdman, how was -- how important was increased law enforcement to the success in your cities for violent crime fighting? chief garcia: proactive policing is integral for the reduction of violent crime. putting officers in the right locations, being vigilant, addressing problem areas, recidivists, drug houses, and
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being in the area reduce violent crime. we have shown it to reduce violent crime. in addition, the concept of ghost guns comes around. you don't find ghost don's throat arrived at the scene of crimes. the way ghost guns get found, it is by a hard-working man or woman making an investigative car stop or getting a search warrant at home. in dallas, we would not have these reductions if not for the proactive investigative work of the dallas police department. the perspectives are that i can't force a and/or woman at 3:00 in the morning to make an investigative car stop in one of our most violent crime grades,
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-- crime grids, and investigate an armed felon. they do that because they will be supported, because procedural justice needs to work internally to exist outside the organization. and if officers don't feel they are being treated fairly, if they don't feel supported, they will disengage when we need them to engage now more than ever heard and not just for my proactive policing special -- perspective, but from the community outreach perspective. no plan will work if you don't have that. senator grassley: mr. herdman? justin: operation legend, i was fortunate to extend that to cleveland. the beauty was, when you had a
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patrol officer that made a stop, there was an immediate reach to federal resources because atf agents, fbi agent, dea agents are working arm in arm with police officers in cleveland and we had resources provided so we could make correlations on ballistic evidence. second, we had committed federal prosecutors to bring these cases so we could identify the most violent offenders and merck sure lash and make sure there were confined and prosecuted federally -- the most violent offenders and make sure they were confined and prosecuted federally. senator klobuchar: thank you for holding this hearing. when i was a d.a. in hennepin county, we had rampant
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carjacking when i got there. we had a major focus back then. it was more cars being stolen from the street, but oftentimes with people in them. i am committed to making a change here. i thought it was interesting what you talked about, mr. clawe , and i want to start with organized crime and this idea that some of this is just people doing this for the fun of it, with people dead as a result. but some of it is because of high demand for vehicles. would that lead you more to a federal response at the need for coordination with the fbi, u.s. attorney's office, and such? >> n -- nicb has two former u.s. attorneys on our staff and
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we have aggressively postured with the fbi, state and local organizations, just like you are talking about. the demand for cars is up 39% in the united states and it has created a market for criminal organizations. these are property crimes. we have seen a tremendous uptake in the u.s. is 2019, 16% increase in auto theft. colorado, 79% increase in auto theft. wisconsin, 74, vermont 64. senator klobuchar: minneapolis, a 500 37% increase in carjackings between 2019 and 2020. in 2021, it is not so different than what you are seeing from the numbers and cook county. very similar with percentages.
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carjackings have spiked nearly threefold. i am going to a different topic with you, chief garcia, in general about supporting police and the morale issue. i wrote a bipartisan legislation reauthorizing the cops program. can you talk about how that helps law enforcement? >> having the support for cops with regards to looking at ways -- back in the early 1990's, we had resources getting officers on the street, doing proactive policing as well as community engagement is crucial. more police officers in law
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enforcement agencies, if you have a plan, reduces violent crime. senator klobuchar: if you have a plan? i agree. federal charges were wrought against a group of seven men for violent crimes including carjacking. the cases were prosecuted as part of the project safe neighborhoods, a federal initiative with u.s. attorneys. how does partnering with local and state law enforcement act as a force multiplier for the u.s. attorney's office? >> thank you for the question. federal agencies operate most effectively when they are present in police departments. when you have atf agent said fbi agent who show up to work on the same shifts with patrol officers, that is a very
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effective way to demonstrate a message not only to police in a big city department, but also the community. i suspect that is what was going on with the violent crime task force in minneapolis. i would hope so, because it is daily and hourly coordination as opposed to a quarterly basis or biannual basis. it is more frequent and much more effective. senator klobuchar: you agreed is important to have a u.s. attorney in place regardless of their political party, someone running these offices? >> the candidate nominated is my partner at jones day. i am on the record, he is superbly qualified. senator klobuchar: mr. lugar with the u.s. attorney at the end of president obama's term. the justice department under donald trump, he was one of two people they were considering
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having stay on. he decided to go another route and now he is back and has strong support from republican leaders. we have not had problems from andy lugar from most republican senators. this is a crusade from tom cotton, who is holding up a number of u.s. attorneys and u.s. marshals. i have a situation in my state where we have two retired police chiefs in minneapolis and saint all. we don't have enough police and andy lugar has vast experience and is willing to take on this carjacking issue. but tom cotton decided that because of his opposition to something happening in another state that he is holding up my u.s. attorney. and i have had it. and if he wants to be on the side of carjackers, go ahead. but we need leadership. this is not a state and local issue. this is an organized crime issue, as mr. clawe pointed out.
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this issue goes beyond little local jurisdictions and one neighborhood cop. it is about cops doing their jobs, but it is also about taking on these cases in a big way. none of you have much to do this. i can't believe you are at the same law firm, mr. herdman, i did not know that. i would appreciate my colleagues on the other side of the aisle talking to mr. kotten to resolve this next week because i am not going to give this up. you cannot hold up u.s. attorney's and have no serious objection and have support from republicans just because you want to get attention. chair durbin: the u.s. marshal from the northern district of illinois is also in senator cotton's list. senator klobuchar: and a marshal in the state of minnesota. senator: you can understand why i and others from texas are
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proud of the work you and dallas police have done in the support you have gotten from leadership like mayor johnson in the city council. i appreciate your being here and sharing your formula for success. is there a reason why other cities couldn't embrace your approach in dallas? chief garcia: there is no reason. some have reached out to us, but there is no reason why other agencies can't be doing the same things. senator:, correct in assuming that, since carjacking involves the threat or actual use of violence, that overwhelmingly eight involves a firearm? chief garcia: overwhelmingly. senator: you and mr. clawe both
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mentioned project safe neighborhood, a federal program designed to go after violent offenders that use a firearm, felons and others, and use mandatory minimums available. it started out, as i recall, as project exile in the richmond u.s. attorney's office years ago. in texas, we called it texas exile. but the basic point is working with local and state law enforcement and federal resources, particularly federal prosecutors to use federal law to go after violent gun offenders and use the mandatory minimum available under federal law in order to dissuade people from using a firearm. and if you couldn't put them -- and if you couldn't come up them behind bars for significant time . is project safe neighborhood
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important to your ability to lower violent crime in dallas? chief garcia: absolutely. we have a remarkable relationship with my fbi, dea, u.s. marshals office. we are in constant conversations. they are looking at how we are doing our crime plan, there is no question that the deterrent of filing cases federally does work. one of the things we need to do is utilize the laws we have on the books. if we believe gun crime is an issue, then individuals violating those laws need to be held accountable to the highest extent. senator: mr. clawe, you also mentioned project safe neighborhoods, do you share the chief's point of view? david: i do. it is a holistic approach with a
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deterrent effect and community engagement and looking at at risk youth in the community before they commit crimes. senator: mr. herdman? justin: there needs to be a thought out plan that can be executed and followed up, so there is close coordination between federal and local law enforcement and identifying the most violence, persistent -- the most violence, persistent felons and make sure the receive federal prosecution if found in possession of a firearm. senator: chief garcia, i believe you and the u.s. attorney in dallas county have a good working relationship, but how important is it to support
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prosecutors? police can't prosecute the crime, you investigate and apprehend violators, but it is up to the prosecutor to bring charges. around the country, there have been prosecutors that have declined to enforce laws on the books, with disastrous consequences for public safety. can you speak to the importance of having prosecutors who enforce the law as written? >> absolutely important to hold individuals accountable, particularly individuals who committed violence. recidivism among individuals released quickly is an issue. but the district attorney in dallas county has little to do
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when it comes to bonds or veil, that is on judges. bonds -- bonds or bail, that is on judges. judges have made a responsible decisions letting individuals out after committing an active violence, but we have to control what we can control. if another part of the system lets us down, and you have to respond back to a house 20 times, then you respond 20 times because we are not going to let our community down. senator: carjacking is steadily increasing across red and blue states. this is the latest in a series of hearings in this committee to look at crime prevention, and look at the federal role to reverse this alarming trend. i am sensitive to the challenges
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of law enforcement where there is inadequate or uneven collection of data. one of the challenges in terms of understanding the rise of carjackings is accurate and comprehensive statewide statistics. my state categorizes crime depending on the facts of each case. chief garcia, i would be interested in hearing about some obstacles to the collection of data on carjackings and how you think federal law enforcement can play a constructive role? sheriff dart: thank you. you nailed it. when we first got engaged with this because of the rise, our first stumbling block was getting beyond anecdotes and
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having data. we collected data from chicago and suburbs to put a comprehensive database together, to get at where the carjackings were occurring, the time of day, what vehicles they were occurring. everything was across the board. i can't say enough how correct you are. we have 130 suburbs in my county that run the gamut from those that are wildly well-funded to those that pay their officers $10 an hour. the turnover is such that more often than not, i am called in to do patrol work. they don't have enough people to work shift after shift. anything and everything you can do to put together a template on data collection and resources so it is not only well-off departments that have a dashboard like we do. everyone knows if you put junk
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in, that is what you are going to get. senator: when i was county executive in delaware, one of the things we did was borrow from cook county's analysis. how can law enforcement best help -- how can we best help law enforcement at the federal level? >> to buy into the law enforcement mission, and not just act outside the box with regards to who their law enforcement is scum and have those relationships. chief garcia: having federal authorities actively engaged you mentioned in your testimony expended federal prosecution of juveniles.
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could you tell us why not. >> and appreciate the question. it is just not feasible. the volume of offender as well as the resources available on the federal level are just not feasible for widespread prosecution and juveniles. i would like to identify other ways there could be federal support for prosecution rehabilitation. >> this is a way of reducing violent crime. what sort of community based interventions could make a meaningful impact in reducing this particular kind of violent crime? >> reaching out to the highest risk individuals, typically those will be adults and the more we can rehabilitate adults,
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the better they will be as parents for their kids. i think we have to rehabilitate our communities, our families so they are more self-sustaining. having special agent in charge or bring federal resources to bear. make sure we are not targeting juveniles in a way that makes them the scapegoat for what is a broader challenge and have community-based interventions. we have to have an and appropriate law enforcement target the most violent adult individuals.
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>> i want to come to you first. we are just talking about targeting -- putting the focus where it should be. in tennessee, we make automobiles and there are some that want to sue the automakers. they say automakers should be able to make it harder to hijack a car. to me, this sounds like victim blaming. i would like for you to just touch on what the effect of some of these proposed lawsuits against automakers and how that would affect the cost to manufacture -- how it may set up perverse incentives. >> thank you for the question.
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we are the hope for information sharing. we have a manufacturing working group. this is what we do. any impediment for sharing of intelligence or information on stolen vehicles, any crimes, it would hurt our mission and hurt the public. i would say when thoughtful legislation is occurring at the federal or the state level, information sharing is critical to our mission space and to break down those barriers. >> i appreciate that. i was struck by the doj focus we have had in the violence reduction strategy on the iron pipeline. also, gun dealers. i think this response really misses the mark if we are talking about targeting and focusing. one of the things that we have seen is the way police
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departments and law enforcement agencies are drained of resources right now. and the way some of these local entities are on this defund the police push. the other thing that has interested me is the way progressive prosecutors have come to be in major metropolitan cities and how they are refusing to prosecute some of these criminals. chief garcia, talk a minute about this. let's talk about gun reform. if that is the appropriate path or if it is better to go in and look at the issue of the violent offenders, look at the necessity for lawful gun ownership, and the effect that some of these
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policies have. >> thank you, senator. to me, it is the access of firearms to criminals that is not being held accountable. that is my issue. if we are going to strengthen the laws we have on the books, let's strengthen it so we have as possible gun ownership, that we have state stored guns but ultimately it is a criminal access to firearms that is the issue. >> i could not agree more. we took a very offender based approach in the justice department when i was u.s. attorney. i think that is the appropriate way to approach this problem. you have individuals who are not only in possession illegally of a firearm but they have demonstrated through their history and through their prior conduct that they are willing to engage in violent activity
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against their fellow residents of the city. i think the offender-based approach is the only one that works. those are the people we have to be concerned about, the ones who are willing to not only possess a firearm illegally but use it. you have to have a strategy that will address that. >> i think your right about that. -- i think you are right about that. i hear from women who are concerned about people and the fact that you have these violent offenders that end up back on the street. they are concerned about the biden administration doubling down on a soft on crime strategy. what they see coming from people like rachael rollins who decline to prosecute 50 different crimes as a matter of policy. as a u.s. attorney from massachusetts, just last week, we had a nominee for the eastern district that is publicly
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uploading the progressive prosecutor movement. that is unfortunate for the people of new york because that individual may end up on the federal bench. so what kind of internal reform do we need to see as -- for our district attorneys and u.s. attorneys across the country so that they are addressing this rise in violent crime? >> i have been a lawyer for over 20 years. most of that has been spent as either a state or federal prosecutor. the one thing i felt was the most important part of my job was not as a legislator when i was in that role. i was aware of the effect that i was part of the executive branch. it was my job to carry out the law given to us by the legislature. that was the attitude i had when i was u.s. attorney. there was the approach we took. i think that is the most
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fundamental obligation you have as a prosecutor. to prosecute the law that is given to you. not to try to legislate from your office. >> that is important for us to keep in mind as we look at judges and as we look at u.s. attorney nominees. it is important to stay in your lane. thank you very much. i appreciate your attention. >> thank you. over the last several years, we have seen countless democrats across the country embracing the movement to defund or abolish the police. we have seen democrats supporting district attorneys funded in significant part by george soros. who refused to prosecute violent crime. who released violent criminals into our community. the consequence of these extreme
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policies is tether particular. when they began demonizing cops, when they began advocating for defunding and abolishing the police, all of us who had worked in law enforcement said the result is going to be skyrocketing crime. tragically, that is the result we have seen. nationwide, homicides increased to 30% from 2019 to 2020. 27 major u.s. cities experienced of 44% increase in homicides since 2019. homicides increased in 44 of the seven major cities. from 2020 to 2021 and over a dozen cities set new homicide records in 2021. the topic of this hearing, carjacking has been particularly horrific. new york city carjackings quadrupled since 2018 to more than 500 2021. philadelphia quadrupled since
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2015 to more than 800 and 2021. new orleans nearly tripled from 2018 to 2021. washington dc, they are of 300% since 2019. minneapolis, they are up 375%. chicago carjackings have been increased and astonishing 500% since 2014. after carjackings skyrocketed in 2020. all of these are endangering people's lives. they are endangering their family, endangering their children. she garcia, mayor of dallas, eric johnson has become a friend. i will say that you and the mayor have shown remarkable courage bucking a national trend and taking on some of the extreme voices on the left, advocating abolishing the police, defunding the police,
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advocating, slashing funding for the police. instead, the mayor courageously argue the best way to protect communities, particularly low income communities is having an effective police force that is well resourced, on the ground to protect people's lives. as a consequence, dallas was the only one of the top 10 cities in this country where violent crime fell in 2021. chief garcia, how harmful do you believe efforts to defund or abolish the police have been and what you think the best way to stop violent crime is >> first i will say that i think there has been a false narrative. it is those in power believing the rhetoric that has been the issue. i am not -- whether it was in my
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former position, i have not yet met a neighborhood impacted by the violent crime regardless of language spoken, racial makeup or economic status that has ever asked me for less police. unfortunately it is our committees of color that usually plead with me for more. they want fair policing, yes, we want to be just and we need to get better but none of the neighborhoods i go see want this to go away. so there is definitely a disconnect between what we are hearing, the false narrative and what is actually occurring in neighborhoods impacted by violent crime. the second part to your question is we need to ensure the morale of the department is high. we need to ensure that committees are there to support them and we need to make sure that we team up with doctors of criminology to tell us what the best practices are so we have readability not only in our communities but that this is something us we are throwing up against to the wall but to our
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rank and file so they don't feel the same way because without the buy in from both no plan will be successful. >> it is not just a few radical voices on the far left but sadly the biden administration, president biden has nominated two of the leading advocates for abolishing the police to senior positions in the department of justice and astonishingly, every single senate democrats voted to confirm it. president biden has nominated prosecutors who have been sourced prosecutors, releasing violent criminals. he nominated them to senior positions. everything a democrat has voted to confirm. in january of this year, you spoke about the pretrial moderated program. you most concerned over the type of defendants placed in pretrial home confinement. you stated you have 2600 defendants on pretrial home honoring -- monitoring and 75-80% said the home monitors
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are charged with the violent offense. what are the consequences of 75 to 80% of the defendants on home monitoring -- being charged with a violent offense, are the district attorneys objecting? i understand the judges are sending them there but what is the das office thinking about this? >> you are right. to the police officers out on the street, it is beyond the moralizing. so many -- these are the people that take us so much time to get the initial case against them and then when they're back out on the street an hour later, on home monitoring, it is very demoralizing. it is something that was brought up numerous times. on the judicial side, it has been very difficult. i am a former prosecutor myself and you can talk all you want
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when you are in court but it is the judge that will make the determination. i made it clear to them that is not what it was ever set up for. it was set up for drug offenders and people on those lines. not only are these people very difficult to monitor them but it is very demoralizing for communities because they know full well that that guy was bad. he finally got caught but now he is right back. it has been very difficult and very trying. >> thank you. >> we often hear claims about defunding the police and i would like to enter into the record some information about significant increases in state and local law enforcement under the biden administration. the american rescue plan passed with only democratic votes in the senate, provided 350 billion in state and local funding that the biden administration has made available for hiring law
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enforcement personnel and supporting community violence intervention programs. i will not read the entire statement for the record but i will add that the only instance where we have a senator holding up the appointment of law enforcement officials at the federal level to help deal with the crime we're talking about today is a republican senator from arkansas. he can't explain it because there is no complete about any of these individuals. he just has his own feeling toward the subject. but this is a partisan subject. >> thank you all for being here. i was a former prosecutor of the u.s. attorney and state attorney general in connecticut for 22 years. i know firsthand how challenging and sometimes heartbreaking your job is and i admire your
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dedication to this cause. i want to emphasize a point here i think the american people really feel very deeply. this cause should not be partisan. we should not be fighting among ourselves. republicans against democrats. it should be absolutely across the aisle, 100% in favor. these numbers, 350 billion in state and local funding in the american rescue plan, $2.1 billion for state and local law enforcement of -- assistance, 184 million above the fy 21 number, we should be increasing the resources available. not just in the hardware equipment but also in the kind of training and counseling that you need, that many of the
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people who go through trauma, they experience trauma firsthand. it impacts them. they deserve it and they needed. more funding. that is part of the answer here. the more we are fighting and trying to discredit colleagues on this issue or at the community level, elected officials, the more we are drawn into inaction, that is a disservice to you but more fundamentally to our crime victims and survivors who need that help. as you said, i never found a community where people say give us less protection.
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we need fewer cops on the beat. we need less safeguards against the drive-by shootings. that take our young people when they are sitting on porches in downtown hartford. or just otherwise going about their lives. americans feel deeply about this issue. they want support for law enforcement and we should be giving them more, not just in dollars but emotional support as well. this issue of carjacking has bedeviled me since i was u.s. attorney and tried to get the fbi to investigate carjacking. federal law prohibited but as you know, it requires proof beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant had intent to cause serious bodily harm or death and some cords have required
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evidence to establish such intent at the size moment. ", the car is taken. to make this la mora -- more effective and crimes more evilly -- easily routable when they involve carjacking, should we make it presented evidence that someone had a firearm? at the time they took the car? that they meant bodily harm? if they had a firearm question mark whether or not they are a convicted felon and they can have it and whether or not it is properly licensed to them. let me turn the question over to you. >> if i may, i appreciate the question. i think the inclusion of that
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specific intent is a hindrance to being able to bring federal cases and i think in other cases we have fire enhancements or firearms as the basis for jurisdiction. this is a vehicle in interstate commerce but i do agree it is unusual to see that kind of violent crime statute. it does serve as an obstacle to bringing these cases. i spoke to my opening testimony about the risk associated with carjacking. it happens in a split second. there is a moving car involved. there are passengers in the car there were not seen by the perpetrator including children. that raises the risk that there will be some sort of resistance either by virtue of surprise or try to defend family members from the person who was the victim of the crime. the inclusion of a firearm in that set of circumstances greatly increases the risk of someone being seriously injured or killed in the course of a carjacking. we see that over and over again.
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i think that if there was some consideration for the committee's work, that would be very effective for federal prosecutors. it would greatly since bringing these cases federally. >> if i could add as well, i work very closely with our city attorney in chicago and he is phenomenal. but he cannot proceed because of what you pointed out. these crimes, not only are they very violent but they're very organized. they usually have multiple cars so the person holding the gun on the individual is not the one that gets in the car, somebody else gets in the car. this usually goes a couple blocks away. it is very complex. conspiracy absolutely. but if we don't get that car quickly, there is no scenario where that poor victim is going to be able to identify anybody.
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what happens is a fourth individual is the one in the car that got caught. this has been very well organized. >> at think your points are very well taken and we are talking for your talk. we know this is an element of a crime that has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, walking into court. as a prosecutor you have a checklist, elements of the crime, but to do bodily harm at the time of the crime, at that precise moment, that is hard to prove unless you have some physical evidence like possession of a firearm. it can be if you are proving a conspiracy, it can be one of the conspirators.
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as you well put it here this morning, these crimes succeed because they are organized. they are in effect conspiracy. thank you for your observation. thank you all of you for being here today. >> thank you for being here. >> i would say morale indicative of the amazing work the men and women are doing is in the direction that we wanted to go because we could not be doing what we are doing if it was not. >> retirements on one end first recruitment on the other. >> we are looking at retirements are coming off as usual for every year, we are thinking at about 195 to 200.
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we just graduated one last week. we are doing every thing we can to restore. i am not certain when we chocolate support, the mayor and city council approved us to hire 500 officers in the next couple of fiscal years. to get to a hopeful 3200 with the attrition we have, we will start to catch up. >> same questions. >> we are having a greater difficulty. >> do you think some of that has to do with the additions of the outside organization and elected officials have taken toward bullies? >> it is complex. but i can tell you within the chicago please department which is not my jurisdiction but within my county, they have had horrible times with many more retirements. and fewer recruits. we are having the same problems
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but on a smaller scale. >> you think some that have suggested cook county and chicago needs fewer police is a good idea? >> it is an awful idea. it always was. chicago gets most of the attention rightfully so but the 130 suburban areas i have under me -- there are entire department where i have to do multiple shifts because they have no police officers. >> i live in the charlotte and suburban area. the huntersville police department are looking for recruits. they are advertising in washington state and a number of other places. this is where i think public officials are more gunned toward law enforcement officers putting their lives on the line. do you believe the car industry needs to step up and become part of the carjackings?
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>> it can be part of the broader solution. >> we are here to be part of a broader solution. >> let's save we going here. >> if we focus on that, we will be more likely to see up shots with cars that were dated at the time that would not take advantage of that technology so we would only be benefiting people who could buy a new car? >> that is a new issue. >> the speaker of the house in north carolina, we focused a lot on chop shops and they go after spare parts. it will take cars that are a little bit more dated. people are not buying new cars. they are buying used cars with the way the economy is going. that is a primary objective, to reduce carjackings, i think that misses the point. the point is we need to do a better job of bending the curve
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on crime. carjacking is just one of them. murdering police officers, making this safe is where we should spend the majority of our time. this will make the product more attractive. this will not necessarily put your the tip of the spirit. to what extent in texas do you think these are legal crossings? >> it makes us less safe with the criminal element. i will tell you that in the city of dallas we have far more citizens. document it citizens. -- documented citizens. throughout the country, there
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are other states, one that i came from, they need to do a far better job of holding individuals that have committed serious or violent crimes accountable that are here illegally. that is something that needs to get worked on. >> i think that the concern i have for hispanic communities or other ethnic community is because we know there are a number of people come across the border from countries in the other hemisphere. i think the criminal element across the border is most likely to go into communities that look like them and exploit those communities that make them less safe. much more so than my community. >> i would agree with that. >> i will not take anymore time. i may have some questions for the record. thank you all for being here. it is a big panel so i can get a question to everyone. >> senator allsop is online. >> thank you, mr. chairman.
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he to forgive me, my time is brief. i wanted to make sure to address this issue. sheriff, atlanta police have warned the public about bump and rob carjackings where suspects purposely bump into drivers to lure them out and attempt to steal their car. what is your gutters for drivers in georgia and across the country who want to avoid this cut of attack and what steps can communities take in order to reduce the incidence? >> we put a list of things online. this is to make people less liquid to be victimized. there is a slew of them from different scenarios but most people have their phone. call 911. but if possible, go to well lit areas. go to a police station if it happens to be close. it is a very complex problem
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because people feel that if they are going to be subsequently charged for leaving the scene of an auto accident, calling local law enforcement right away in hell for, well lit areas could be held for. we do need to move beyond that location where we are at at that point because they will be targeted. click thank you, mr. chairman. i yelled back. >> thank you. >> we have had some experience in rhode island with community violence prevention programs. one run by our senator for nonviolence. that is called the street workers program. it finds people who may have had some experience with street crime and are certainly known or active in the community.
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this ties them up with the police department so that they can provide what you might call early warning systems and also if it looks like something very productive -- provocative has taken place, to reach out to the community to try to defuse tensions before further violence takes place. our experience has been very successful. providence police swear by their relationship with the street workers program. i wanted to get your opinion on whether the positive experience with the providence police -- whether it has been replicated elsewhere or if this is a consistent pattern of success. >> in our area, there is one called operation cease fire.
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some don't have that partnership with law enforcement. they would suggest that is the only way they have credibility on the street. we have worked with people who are most identified to shoot or be shot. and then we connect them to community providers and we have had markable luck making sure they are not shooting people or getting shot themselves but those interventions on the street are very critical. historically, the data has been tricky. sometimes people look at the dip in crime in an area and say that was do to us when there were many other factors. we have found those interventions are phenomenal. the one connected to police is really great. it is hard to get that connection.
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>> the other one we worked on and we ended up in a federal law because of a partnership with senator gordon, it was to look at people who work incarcerated. he mentioned people who were in jail. look at people incarcerated and prepare them better for release back into society. including things like medication for treatment if they have a narcotics addiction problem. and the result we saw from that was really profound first in terms of less mortality from overdoses in that population. a huge drop. but just generally, when there is better accountability and better support for people going back into the community, it was associated with lower crime rates, at least in rhode island.
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as well as these more specific statistics about less opioid overdose death. i just wonder if you had a comment on that from your experience as well. >> we are doing the exact same thing. i will tell people that when you are operating in jail, anything less that what you're talking about, you should get out of the business. we train people who we identify at intake with opioid issues and then we train them how to utilize the log zone. when they leave, they utilize it all the time because when they come back, we will interview them and find how often it was used. but we connect people with providers out in the community and the notion that someone who has all these issues and brought them to jail, you know he is going back to the community that he left. you know that people -- you know that things will work out really well.
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they leave us with that notion that that is how you bend this curve. the mental health component will be easier. we connect them with providers on the outside. with it, we make sure they stay on their meds and manage them. we have seen a tremendous drop on recidivism coming back into the jail and making the communities a lot safer. the program you're talking about in your community, it is the only way to go. >> i would invite anyone else on the panel who wishes to respond to the panel to these feel free and do so. my time has expired. i would like to tell the chairman that one of the things we were unable to accomplish was to try to get additional support for the localities into which large numbers of people emerging from incarceration go. we have had maps in rhode island that show which zip code people
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are discharged to from our aci and as you imagine, it is not uniform across the state. some zip codes have almost zero. subject codes -- some zip codes have high discharge rates. it is not just following the individual into those unities by supporting those communities as they deal with the fact that these discharges from the incarcerated system are not evenly spread. if we could work more on that, that is the one undone piece here. i thank you for the hearing, chairman. i think everybody for participating and if you want to add something in the form of a written response, please feel free. >> we could tell you in chicago where they go. not exclusively but to a large extent where x incarcerated tend to go home.
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organizations that are trying to help them are hard-pressed. we have 70 wonderful groups. mr. bryant is here representing one of them. i don't think you have had your day in court. i would like you to conclude if you will. there is an aspect to what you're doing that bridges different things in this community because you are working not only in community intervention but law enforcement and community intervention. would you please make a record of that if you would? >> when communities partner for peace was started, one of our executive directors at our partner organization used to work for the practice of nonviolence in rhode island. his name is kenny grose. i would just say that since the days of cease fire, we have vastly improved our relationship with law enforcement now. it is true that guys were working on the front lines with
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the highest risk. those people should not interact with law enforcement because it reduces their credibility but people do coordinate with law enforcement on a biweekly basis. we coordinate with city officials, county officials, state officials and we play a role in ensuring that the coronation is happening. i think the other thing worth pointing out is as our metropolitan peace academy that i mentioned earlier, we train the outreach workers in a 144 our curriculum. that brought more credibility to the field of violence prevention. it has allowed for more greater trust with law enforcement understanding our role because they actually contribute to our curriculum. the last thing i will say is that we created a community trading academy -- training academy. that is where they can host officers for training so that officers can see that community
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from the community lands and they get to understand what the assets are in that community. who are the leaders in that community and what the challenges are from a committee perspective. we agreed that we want law enforcement. we want more engaged law enforcement and for them to realize that as a citizen, when i interact with law enforcement, that is something i will probably never forget. understanding your role in the community is extremely important but we have to rebuild that trust. we are at an all-time low in chicago but that is something -- we are going to be a part of the solution to bring that back. >> thank you. take you to all the witnesses. i think that was a good hearing. i think we learned a lot. i hope that you have had a rewarding experience as well. it helped us understand this complicated issue and how the federal government has a role in it.
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my continued thanks to ranking member grassley for working on this issue on a bipartisan basis. we will wait for this to be submitted. thank you again to the witnesses for coming. the hearing stands adjourned.
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