tv Campaign 2020 South Carolina U.S. Senate Debate CSPAN October 5, 2020 10:01am-10:59am EDT
titan. this debate is courtesy of wist tv in columbia. determined the order of opening statements. mr. harrison, you won the toss. coin toss, the next minute on the toss is yours. >> thank you, judy and i want to thank everyone here on the campus of allen university. >> while i brief, i hope, that is the motto of this, in south carolina, but it might as well be the theme of my entire life i am the son of a team mom. , was raised by grandparents with a fourth grade and eighth grade education. i want to yell, i went to georgetown law school. -- first in my family, i went to now i'm a candidate for united states senate. excuse me if i pinch myself. i have lived the american dream and spent my entire life adding for others to make sure they do the same. we have been divided for too long. to me folks here in south carolina lack the opportunity to
working, a vaccine is around the corner, this is a choice election. socialism.versus law and order versus chaos. >> thank you very much. john one, thank you both for being here this evening. -- gentlemen, thank you for being here this evening. it is our hope in our nation to give our nation an example of what civil discourse looks like, and how to engage in passionate, respectful debate. so i thank you for that in advance. mr. graham, the last 24 hours the list of public officials infected by covid-19 has grown exponentially. people of faith think a well across our country are praying for it -- faith and goodwill are praying for everyone to make a full recovery. but it cannot be ignored that many infected attended large gatherings and completely this regarded the protocols put out by the cdc.
how has politics nation of the virus damaged -- how is put his politicizationas of the virus damaged our response? >> president wilson got the virus and we live in such unusual times, i doubt anyone attacked him. all i can say is the the virus is a problem that came out of china and not trump tower. we have vaccines that are getting ready any month now and hopefully sooner. the drug therapies are working. the one thing i want people to know is that the virus is serious,, but we have to move on as a nation, when a military member gets an infection you do not shut down the whole unit. we are going to have adherence, for the nominee to the supreme court and it will be done safely. the one thing i find odd, nobody asked me how are you doing, senator graham went to hunter people showed up at my house and broke my window.
friendsal democratic never mention the virus when people are roaming the streets riding and burning down cop cars and breaking windows, it is a problem, it is a problem for the nation, it is something we are going to get through, but i promise you we are not going to stop doing our job in washington, as chairman of the judiciary committee, i promise you we are going to get a judge on the court vainly. >> thank you, sir. mr. harrison, same question. >> this question is about the coronavirus, not the supreme court. this has impacted me personally. my grand aunt gladys passed away this july, in a nursing home, by herself. that is the story that some of the americans are experiencing right now. and part of why we are experiencing it, no, they're nothing to blame the president. we should not blame anybody for the inception of this disease. but where blame should come is
howie handled this disease -- how we handled this disease, whether or not we take it seriously. i am taking it seriously. that is why we have plexiglass up. it is not just about me, it is about the people in my life we have to take care of as well, my two boys, my wife, my grandmother. we have to address the issue here in south carolina. we have 750,000 people unemployed. die, over a hundred thousand affected. we have to take this seriously and do all we can to take care of ourselves and each other. follow-upt question, about coronavirus and the impact specifically here in south carolina. southor mcmaster asked caroline on schools to resume five days face-to-face instruction and i have talked to teachers and parents who want to do the same if it is done safely. here is the concern. senator graham, you and your colleagues had a coronavirus
test yesterday or today, and other individuals we are hearing about. you get results and hours. south carolina people are waiting for days or more than a week to get results. we know how critical that is, in terms of containing the virus. the question is, should we ask our teachers to return to class for five day face-to-face instruction, without having access to widespread rapid testing? to quickly identify and contain those cases in schools? should allow parents to make a decision about what is best for their children and if it teachers not want to go back to a classroom i will not make them i have supported the distillation that increased on appointment benefits because people lost her job through no fault of their own. i have been trying to get our ppp masks, gloves, back in america and let american textile companies make it here at home so we are not so dependent. one thing we are not going to do if i'm your senator shed the country down, we are going to
open up safely and get back to business here in south carolina, shutting the country down has an effect of its own, alcoholism up, the mystic violence, so we are going to -- domestic violence. so we are going to handle this virus, but this issue of how to rebuild america, who do you trust, donald trump? who gave you the best economy for the virus? if they take the house and take over the senate and biden is president, god help us all. agenda ofiberal american politics coming out of the house and senate, medicare for all. court, you understand what is at stake here. >> the same question, should we ask our teachers to return to five day face-to-face instruction without having access to rapid testing? >> is the father of two boys and
one in first grade for the first time, it is hard teaching your kids from home. it is very very difficult. and if nobody has an appreciation of teachers, or did not before coronavirus, they better have an appreciation now. we need a strategy. i 50 state strategy. the failure of leadership. we are not blaming anybody for the inception of this virus but the failure of leadership, the senate failed to act. the white house failed to act. governors have failed to act. we need leaders who are going to step up and act. we need testing here in south carolina. we need to make sure we have a mandate that says folks please wear your mask so we can bring down the transmission of this virus, and then open our economy backup. right now so many families have so many issues they are dealing with. 750,000 people unemployed. senator graham said over our dead bodies would be allow if
extension of the on appointment benefit -- a federal extension of the unemployment benefit. folks need that money and we need leadership to get those things that are necessary for our families to open backup. you have 45 seconds for a rebuttal. i supported phase 3 i said if you pay people more work not to work then to work, and it turned out to be true. joe cunningham understands, a democrat in charleston, and is been hard on hotels to get back in business when you're paying people more to be unemployed than to be employed. i want to help people and be responsible and i want us to go back to school. we passed a very robust package. i'm willing to do more. but this virus is going to pass. what kind of country are you going to have when liberal democrats run the house, and the senate and take over the white house? they will do away with the electoral college. they will pack the supreme court
with liberals. that is what is at stake in this election. moderator: let me ask a quick follow-up, you say the issue is about paying people more when they are not working versus what they earned by going to their jobs? governor mcmaster has said protocols are in place at the department of employment to make sure benefits are terminated for anyone who refuses to return to work, so a lot of people we have heard from want to understand why you are taking that position if we are putting protocols into prevent your concern? sen. graham: well it helps to a baxley run a business. my family has run a restaurant, a bar and a liquor store. when you are paying $23 an hour not to work it is hard to get people to come back and they get mad if you asked them to come back to work for $18 an hour. i saw this coming and joe understands that what we have done is if you pay people more not to workbench work, i have run a business and i know what it is like to compete your own government. i can say for small business in
south carolina we have to be generous to people who have been unemployed through no fault of their own but you cannot pay them or not to workbench work and i'm for making you whole not forgetting a pay raise and unemployment and my liberal democratic friends do not understand that, i do and my family ran a business. moderator: thank you, sir. he did not mention you directly but if you would like therese bonds to an the next answer -- if you like to respond in the next answer we can come back to. >> good to have you both with us here live across the state. mr. harrison, senator graham, good to see both of you again. senator, your judiciary committee will hold hearings on amy coney barrett the judge barrett, the president's nominee, for the united states supreme court and there is a good chance that she would be confirmed on the high court which would give the supreme court a definite tilt toward the conservative side. confirmed, that
conservative tilt there is talk ,ould do away with roe v. wade the law which guaranteed women the right to an abortion. if it does not do away with that and overturn it completely and might chip away at it. mr. harrison, senator graham, my question is does a woman in this country have the right to control her own body? abortion?e wants an moderator: mr. harrison? mr. harrison: i believe she does. men have rights to control their bodies and women should have equal rights to control their bodies as well. at the end of the day this is a hard issue. i believe it is between a woman, her doctor and her god. politician should not be anywhere in it. we need to make sure that abortions should be rare. we should look at how we expand adoptions.
how we have contraception and educate our kids. but at the same time we should be safe. if it is the law of the land which is at this time. what we need to do is look at health care. and particularly health care for women. here in south carolina we have some of the highest infant mortality rates in the country. two years ago here in south carolina 14 of our 46 counties had no, zero obgyn. many of our hospitals and some of our world committees are closing now. -- many hospitals in some of our rural communities are closing. what are we going to do do tackle disparities in health care that women and minority women in particular are experiencing now? senator graham has a failed and 25 years to address these issues. moderator: senator graham? mr. harrison: well, amy barrett is one of the most qualified people in the history of the nation to be nominated and she will get on the court as the chairman of the judiciary
committee i've tried to be fair when it comes to judges and when president obama won, i recognize he won the election and i voted for some ir and kagan knowing that they were liberal justice -- i voted for justice sotomayor justice kagan knowing that they would be liberal justices. but here's what bothers me. my opponent, supported the filibuster of george -- justice gorsuch and the [indiscernible] judge kavanaugh's life. i'm sponsoring a bill [inaudible] abortion on demand at 20 weeks. we are one of seven nations in the world that allows babies to be aborted at 20 weeks the fifth month of pregnancy and my [inaudible] this is a radical we are dealing ath, amy barrett will be thoughtful to liberalism and she will decide based on what the statute says and what the constitution says and she won't make things up.
i'm your only bet in this race. from the state and government politics reporter, joe? >> senator graham, you say you're moving forward with the confirmation because of how democrats treated justice kavanaugh. mr. harrison you said filling that supreme court she see should not be rushed before the election. previous norms for can firming -- previous norms for confirming judicial appointments, what should new rules be? >> 19 judges have been confirmed in an election year when the president of the party was the same as the senate and that is nothing unusual and we will have a airing beginning october 12 it will be done safely. again, we can conduct a hearing safely but no democrat seems to say anything about a mom coming
up into my yard and attacking republicans. amy barrett will be treated respectfully i hope for following the norms of the community in terms of the opportunity to question her. i want to complement president trump for sending over this virus and i hope she is not treated like -- this fine woman and i hope she's not treated like cavanaugh and yes yes seven children and all of that does not matter, what matters is will she apply the law to the facts and i'm looking forward to it. and one of my legacies as united states senator is that i've tried to be fair, not only to democrats when they appoint judges, i've been a leader on getting conservative judges on the screen court and the best is yet to come. moderator: thank you, sir mr. harrison? sometimeson: listening to senator graham reminds me of playing monopoly with my son. he changes the rules every time he gets.
senator, you said use my words against me. you said it after the kavanaugh meetings. not before the kavanaugh hearings. after the kavanaugh hearings. your promise was that no judicial nominee should be considered or approved or what have you, in the last year of an election. and you even named president trump when you set it. so this is my thing, my grandfather always taught me, a man is only as good as his word. senator, how good is your word? you made a promise to the american people and you made a promise to the folks in south carolina you would not be doing what you're doing right now, and that is the problem i have. i think the greatest heresy you could do as a public servant is to betray the trust of the people you took notes to serve. that is what you have -- you took it out to serve. and that is what you have done. or the amount and stand up and say i'm going to do something else. but don't go and blame it on something else for flip-flop
you're making on yourself. said in august we will see what the market will bear if an opening comes about and we are going to do what we have the constitutional authority to do it and this is what i can say about judges, when president obama was president, i honor the fact that he won the election. for two people i would not have chosen. and i watch as democrats try to destroy two people after another. the first filibuster in the united states senate. amy barrett iss highly qualified and i'm the chairman of the judiciary committee, the president has every right to do this. if you are counting on mr. harrison to vote for conservative judge or making mistake and you can count on me. he did mention your name, 45 seconds.
listen, this is not about democrats versus republicans, it is about right versus wrong. if you establish a precedent, if you've established a standard, you should stick by it. one thing we have not seen with senator graham now and the senate republicans in control is this type of urgency to address the coronavirus. right19, right down -- now there's a bill city on mitch mcconnell's desk. this data suffering. our businesses -- this state is suffering. our businesses are suffering. there is not enough tests. the urgency is to push the supreme court justice even when they have two members of the digit here committee who have covid. but they have not moved at all on addressing covid which is the number one issue right now. moderator: thank you, sir. now to the anchor from myrtle beach. >> good evening, i want to continue to talk about coronavirus. tourism is the number one industry where i am from myrtle beach. the truth is we are coming off a
bleak summer season and going into what looks to be a weak fall and winter season as well. the bottom line is covid-19 has paralyzed our community. restaurants, businesses, hotels have closed, some permanently. my question to you is, as senator, what would you do to bring back our number one moneymaker? >> one, we cannot take a piecemeal approach. in new zealand right now it is a most covid free. that is because the leader there along with local leaders took a direct approach to address this issue. they made sure yes there was a difficulty initially, but what they have now, you do not to the spread of covid. in addition, when we think about we are in the situation we are in because we had feckless leadership, so how do we make it better? how do we address issues folks in myrtle beach are dealing with? you do not do it by blocking the unemployment relief. because you know what?
there's a dignity of work in this state. it is not that people are sitting on thereabouts any bonbons or they wait for the federal benefit to come into their doors. of those folks lost their jobs, former thousand also lost their health insurance. -- 400,000 also lost their employer-based health insurance. now they have to take care of kids and have to pay for internet, but they have to dig deeper to figure out how to pay rent and how to pay health insurance. that is why we need a senator who is going to fight for us in our hard times, not fight against us. moderator: senator graham? sen. graham: i think it would be good to have a senator whose family ran a restaurant, a bar. understand the service industry. i was in myrtle beach yesterday. i want to help people who have lost her job through no fault of their own. but the unemployment benefit package deters people going back to work. we will come up with a package
and make you whole but not give you a pay raise. there's a 2.2 trillion dollar bill coming out of the house of representatives that has not had a billion dollars to bail out the blue states. i want to help the states but not bail them out for things unrelated to covid. we need another round of ppp, 67,000 businesses received ppp loan and let's do it again for businesses 300 and under who lost revenue. the best way to get back to a good life is to get a vaccine and president trump is doing warp speed vaccines coming forward and alighting rate. atat eight lightning rate -- lightning rate. the mortality is down and i'm encouraged. the best way to get myrtle beach back and running is to have a president and senate who will not tax them into oblivion and regulate them to death. moderator: thank you, sir. savannah.wtoc in
>> president trump signed an executive order deferring payroll taxes for americans earning less than 1000 hours per year until the end of this year and he says he wants to make it permanent if reelected. the parol tech space for medicare and social security. -- the payroll tax pays for medicare and social security. the social security actuary says that would be depleted three years from now if that one fourth. these are called entitlement programs which can give the perception people deserve these programs but the truth is the american people have paid into these programs with every paycheck over the course of their lifetimes. what be our plan moving forward? moderator: senator graham? sen. graham: let me take about me and social security. i'm the first in my family to go to college. neither one of my parents finish high school. my dad was a world war ii veteran. we owned a liquor store and a bar. you cannot afford not to get stick because if you get -- if
you don't work you do not get paid. we were uninsured and got wiped out. and 50 muslim my dad died. if it was not for social's -- in 15 months later my dad died. if it was not for social security benefits, we would not of gotten -- we would automated. i get that, i really do. what would i do to save social security? whatever it takes. i make a hundred $75,000 and i have a military retirement and i have a congressional retirement and i would take less in benefits to make sure my and he worked in it text how plant who can afford to get less. like mecola for people you should get the same cola summary on a fixed income, we have to work together, we have to save social security. the way you save it is if you can afford to take a little bit less, do it. i can now, when i was 20 when i cannot and i would never ask anyone to give a benefits they cannot afford. moderator: mr. harrison?
way you save one social security is not by eliminating the payroll tax right now. as the actuary mentioned it would wreck this program. social security is important to me. when my grandfather passed away in 2004, my grandparent's want to limited income and they did not have a pension. they did not have a 401(k). all the have a social security. i remember sitting at the social security office with my grandma because our thought was that she would get both her check and my grandfather's check but the woman said you'll get a death benefit which was about $300 in my grandma said when will i start getting willy's check? and the woman said you will not. you will get the higher of the two. and it was like some of the punch my grandma and i got because she was thinking oh my, how do i pay for all these things? folks deserve the money that they have put into this system. lindsey graham said, he said that social security and medicare are promises we can keep.
senator, i am sorry they are not promises. people have paid into the systems. they deserve to get the money back they put into it. that is the livelihood they have. sen. graham: man? number one, you want a senator who can fix a problem you have to acknowledge you have a problem before you can fix it. in 1950 there were 16 workers for every social security recipient and now we are down to three and a 20 years will be down to two. my aunt is on social security and they worked in the cotton mills and that is all they got. i am at the income level i could take a little bit more and i would like and save social security so late's endowment it will take bipartisanship, right -- ronald reagan working with him on ale save social security in 1983 and i'm ready to work with democrats to say social's cardi and medicare and i'm willing to pay more for my prescription drugs because i can and there people who can't. dashed i'm willing to work with them a to save social security and medicare. moderator: our next questions
about campaign ads and this comes from augustine. -- augustine. >> safe to say people have been hammered by negative ads in this race. first why did you feel the need to go negative? would you like to set the record straight on anything that may be a false claim in those ads? moderator: mr. harrison, first? mr. harrison: thank you. i'm knock on negative. i -- i have not gone negative. i have been informing people and educating them about senator graham's record. in terms of not true, senator graham is running something that talks about me working for a company that foreclosed on oaks in katrina and applies i did that. first of all when hurricane hit i was 2005 and i was working for congressman jim clyburn until the end of 2008. 2006 i led the delegation, i put the delegation of members of congress to actually go to new orleans and mississippi in order
to work to rebuild those areas. because the bush administration failed to properly help the rebuilding effort. that was part of the agenda jim clyburn and others had in order to get the majority back in 2006 election. then, someone who personally has been homeless for a while, i took personal offense to this idea. senator graham wants to talk about foreclosures we can talk about how he voted for the guy who was called the king of foreclosures, treasury secretary steven mnuchin foreclosed on 17,000 homes over a five-year period. sen. graham: richard your question was about ads and money, let's talk about money in politics. where is all this money coming from? what is about south carolina that is attracted hundred million dollars into mr. harrison's coffers? they hate me. this is not about mr. harrison.
i stood up for kavanaugh when they tried to destroy his life and this is not meet helping donald trump. the only good republican is one that tries to undercut trump. i lost to president trump when i ran for president and if you do not member me running for president, that is not your file, it'd not last long. i think he has done a good job, he has cut our taxes and he is getting trade deals and securing the border so the bottom line, the reason you are seeing all of these ads is they are trying to take me out. they want the house. they want the senate. they are going to change electoral college. there are going to do away with private health care and medicare for all. they're going to decriminalize coming into the country and free health care. they mean it. this election is about taking me out. lookator: my colleague, a -- a local reporter. >> many process and suck a lot
have been ignited by calls for local -- law enforcement to confront systematic racism. do you believe there is systematic racism in law enforcement? what is the best way to address that? moderator: senator graham? sen. graham: no i do not leave our place are systematically racist. i do believe in place reform. more transparency, more people of color, more people from minority communities in the police force. it was blocked by my democratic colleagues because they want the issue. here's what i think, the cops need our support now more than ever and i've never known at this difficult to be a police officer. yesterday the fraternal order of police endorsed my candidacy because as chairman of the judiciary committee i passed the [indiscernible] he was asked twice would you defund the police? he is for not defunding the
police because i made him. most carolina and swat place reform and we ask -- we respect the cops -- most carolina's want police reform and we respect the cops. if you need money for social programs i will work with you. cutting the cops budget puts more people at risk. tim scott has tried his best to find a solution. unfortunately my democratic colleagues stopped him because they want not to solve the problem. moderator: mr. harrison? mr. harrison: let me be clear because again senator graham sometimes exaggerates. i have said clearly and i am going to say it clearly here, i do not believe in defunding the plague. -- defunding the place. -- defunding the police. on thedfather served force 30 years on homicides risking his life day in and day out so i understand there are good plays out there working to protect and serve.
we also understand there are bad apples. there's an entire community a blue when sometimes light comes behind them because they do not know whether or not their lives are going, they're going to have their lives after the interaction. we have to admit there are problems in some of our policing now and we have to work with our police and the community members to bring folks together to do that. not to define them, not to scare them, to work on addressing this problem. one question i have for you, and you said you're not for defunding police, in president trump's budget, fy 21, it cuts community policing by $500 million dollars. do you support that, senator grant -- senator graham? sen. graham: no, i've been a good supporter of community policing and i would say that senator scott understands this above others. he goes through great grief, he
tries to fix the problem. campaign,rrison's planned parenthood supports his campaign. once the police to apologize to african-american communities. i want to make policing better for african-american communities. of all the people in the nation who need good cops, it is poor people in minority neighborhoods so i'm with the cops. if you have any doubt where i'm going to be, i'm going to be with the cops. question,.our next go ahead, 45 seconds. mr. harrison: senator graham loves talking about all this money and when he was raising a ton of money it was ok. anytime time anyone else is raising money that is problematic. senator let me say, senator scott is not the only black person who understands the interactions with place. i've had my interactions as well.
i have voice tried my best to follow a lot because that is what my grandma taught me to do and that is why grandpa taught me to do. there are problems right now. there are families who have lost loved ones as a result of it. all i'm saying is, we should have had, you should've had, you are chairman of the did share committee, a hearing on the bill. you did not even have that, senator. moderator: senator graham, would you like to respond? sen. graham: all i can say senator scott has a proposal that he tried to take to the floor of the senate and i had a hearing that lasted all day and i do not care. this is an effort to get african-american males and hispanic males out of jail that will wear sentenced to long jail terms for nonviolent offenses and i was one of the leading sponsors about working with senator booker from new jersey. tim scott has done everything i know anybody could do to try to sound common ground. his efforts were filibustered, it is sad, shame, this whole issue about the cops, law and order is on the ballot and i was talking with cops yesterday.
they feel like people don't care anymore. moderator: let's move on to our the 96estion from student government association president and allen university. much foryou so attending allen university and we welcome you here. my question is, allen university recently signed an mou with thatnah nuclear solutions would strengthen relationships and opportunities for minority students with a company. if elected, what is your plan to champion qualified minority homegrown talent, emerging from institutions other than large state-supported schools? moderator: first-year mr. harrison. mr. harrison: thank you for doing that and for your leadership, great to meet you. a few weeks ago i announced my rural hope agenda to rebuild and revitalize rural communities here in south carolina, to bring
hope back to these communities that have lost all sense of hope. it is a five-part plan that talks about health care, education, infrastructure, economic opportunities and it includes a farmers bill of rights. part of my education initiative talks about a partnership with historically black colleges and universities that focuses on creating a new stream of revenue , having auniversities partner with rural communities. to provide them with technical assistance. to make sure their incubators for new businesses, or communities were young folks and minorities have not been represented. communities particularly where young folks and minorities have not been representative. to rebuild schools and make sure there's a pipeline of young talent vertically from hbcus which have been left out given thely, -- opportunity so the rest of the
country can see them shine. sen. graham: hbcus are blessing to our state and a lot of students who go to the historically black colleges and universities are first in their family to go to college. i can relate to that. the goal is to make char best and brightest do not leave the state. nobody has been more supportive of the savannah river site and i have. it is the crown jewel of one of our players in the state. hbcue done job fairs with graduates with the military, fbi, boeing, michelin, to make sure that talent is not leave our state. the bottom line here is the schools have been a blessing. this program you're talking about is very exciting. south carolina state has an engineer and program, one of the best asphalt management programs in the country. my sister has a masters degree from south carolina state, go bulldogs. so count me in. i am glad president trump made hbcu finding permanent. -- funding permanent.
these schools are blessing and what i want to do as a senator is what i've done in the past to make sure roger it's of these universities do not have to leave our state -- to make sure graduates do not have to leave our state, the best and the brightest. moderator: the next western i received from your cooks constituents and viewers and i promised i would ask this question. -- the next question. if you support term limits and what will be an appropriate one for a senator and representative? sen. graham: i will leave that up to the voters. you can limit my term november 3 if you like. we have a history in south thurmond, fritz holling, jim clyburn. i've been to iraq and afghanistan 56 times to make sure the war stays over there. i have the military members back and i think i know more about
national security and most people in the senate and we have a strong department of defense footprint in the state. i understand the needs of the i want them to come here. i think i'm in a good position to help our state. it is up to to see if you want me. i will always be conservative but i will reach across the aisle. but i'm not for illegal immigrants getting free health care and open borders that would ruin our country. the bottom line here is i have been leading the charge for 250 years, just judges, when it comes to lindsey graham the best is yet to come. mr. harrison: i think the question was about term limits. i mentioned why grandpa said. a man is only as good as his word. this is another example of senator graham going back on his word to the people here in south carolina. when the senator was in the congressmen and he ran for
congress, he said and he ran on a pledge of term limits. he said he would term limit himself. if you do not believe me google at. [laughter] google lindsey graham and term limits. he said he would term limit himself. he said 12 years. running later and still and i believe the ultimate term limit is in the power of the people here in south carolina. but i also believe it is incumbent upon us to keep our promises. if we change our minds, just admit, i changed my mind. do not duck and dodge. this is the thing i promised folks of south carolina, i will never, never, never lie to you. you may not agree with everything i say all the time, but you will always know where i stand. and i'm not going to go back on my word. moderator: our next question from bill sharp. neither ofn, i think you has to worry about health care coverage.
goodness knows, senator, you have the cadillac of health care coverage as u.s. senator. mr. harrison i suspect you do not have to worry about health care coverage either? but thousands of people in south carolina do. and guess what they are on? the affordable care act called obamacare. they get pre-existing conditions covered, senator, mr. harrison, with the affordable care act. now we have an opportunity in south carolina, to expand medicaid, as part of the affordable care act. but, how we done it? no, no, no. where one of 14 states in the entire country that refuses to expand medicaid. so, mr. harrison, senator graham, my question is, the affordable care act worth it? do you want to do away with the affordable care act? or do you want to keep it and expand medicaid to help poor people in south carolina? moderator: first you, mr.
harrison. mr. harrison: thank you for this question. yet another personal one. my grandfather worked all his life and ended up 50 our suite working -- 50 ours per week working construction on the roads in south carolina and never had health care until we found out yet undiagnosed diabetes. he eventually had to lose his leg and some toes and eventually he died from competition some diabetes. there are so many people in south carolina -- from complications from diabetes. their sony people in south carolina suffering in silence. correction south carolina is now one of 12 states that refused to expand medicaid. the federal government was going to pay hundred percent for the first five years and then the state had a pick 10% after that. it is because it was tied to bark obama. let me tell you something-- barack obama. let me tell you something, one reason why we have had rural
hospitals close and if you live in those areas any of obligations with diabetes or pregnancy and now instead of taman it's takes you 50 minutes, that is a death sentence. we need a senator put politics aside to put people first. senator graham has a horrible bill that the arp condemns, graham cassidy. sen. graham: when he heard the word health care, and you hear democrat talk about it, they want to put all health care under government control, they want to illuminate your ability to have health care of the worksite. about 60% of the people below 65 get health care at work. obamacare is a placeholder for bernie care. they are believing and socialized medicine. , mr. sharp, was a disaster for south carolina. and you have gone up are getting less coverage, your copayments are going up and your premiums are going up if you're
working so someone else can get a three. three states under obamacare get 35% of all the money, california new york and maryland. the graham cassidy belt would block grant send that money back to south carolina with a formula that would allow us to get 60% more than obamacare would give us because we stop sending money. here's my belief with health care. let's get out of washington. put it in the hands of washington -- put in the hands of doctors close to you. have accountability at the ballot box. this bureaucrat health care is a disaster for you. moderator: your time expired. our next question. >> you agree humans could riveted to climate change and you both opposed agree new deal -- you agree humans contributed to climate change get you both opposing agree new deal. what policies to curb global warming while not leading to job losses? sen. graham: you are trying to
eliminate carbon fuels by 2035, multiple trillions of dollars and do away with cars and cows -- do away with cows? in the name of saving the environment. climate change is real and i believe in the government working with the climate sector -- private sector. i believe more electric cars are coming but my solution to the environment is not to destroy the economy. in my solution to health care is not to take away from your work. and given free to illegal immigrants. they will change the rules of the senate if they get in charge. it is going to be a disaster for us. you're going to crush our economy. because agree new deal and medicare for all our hundreds of trillions of dollars we cannot afford to this is a reshaping of america i think is incredibly dangerous, climate change is real and we are on the path to lower admissions but i will never, ever, destroy the economy in the name of helping the environment, it is a problem but
not a religion and i can tell you that aoc who endorse my opponent last week has a plan for our nation. and will destroy our economy and not save our environment. mr. harrison: the greatest gift the lord gave us is this planet. the legacy we have our kids is to the planet we had over to them in the next generation. senator graham mentioned he is for, he believes climate change is real. that is not good enough. if we do not do something affirmatively to address the issue of climate. i agree with the senator, i think agree new deal is too expensive and it is become too partisan. we have to figure a way, though, because we have to dramatically reduce carbon emissions, something all the scientists have said and we are seeing bigger storms,. we know a big storm. we have seen hurricane hugo, with seen storms that hit other places. we also know -- we have seen storms that have hit other places. we know the greatest threat to
charleston and areas is sealevel rise. what are we going to do about it? we cannot to offshore drilling which the senator proposed to allow drilling off the coast of south carolina threatening our economy and threatening the environment. we have to be affirmative in terms of focusing on this issue. because again, it is the legacy we pass on to our kids. moderator: and next question, erik. >> i-73. an idea that would bring a direct link to the grand strand. many are convinced businesses, industry would bring what transformer area. -- transform our area. the problem is it is an idea, the road to nowhere. as a senator do you support and understand the significance of i-73? what would you do to give it the green light? moderator: mr. harrison? mr. harrison: i support i-73 and i for structure -- an
infrastructure here in south carolina. i have friends to come to south carolina because it is a beautiful place with pitiful people. they tell me i love's with beautiful people. they tell me i love south carolina, is a bit of a place, i love myrtle beach and the food is amazing. but what is the problem with your roads? ,ur infrastructure sucks because we have had leaders who have been feckless for 20 years and senator graham is one of them. and listening to debates over theirs, every debate, senator graham gets this question about i-73. every time he says oh, i'm for it. you know what? there something kids in my class used to tell me. mr. harrison, the most powerful way you can do and persuades about it is to show and not tell. people are hearing, tired of hearing politicians time after time after time, said they are going to do something and go to washington dc and all of a sudden they get amnesia. i think senator graham is
suffering from that amnesia. he has said he is going to support 73 and we still have not seen it happen yet. moderator: senator graham? sen. graham: i-73 is going been intercept eight -- an interstate highway that comes off of i 95 and go to the grand strand i will be a great deal for marble county and i've secured funding for transportation. and i've secured funding to do that via metal impact study and people have increased taxes to widen 22. this is going to happen. but man infrastructure? who was it came to the port -- but me and for structure? who was it came to the port saying we were going to lose the port of charleston? i made sure they had the funding they needed to be the premier port on the east coast. when i back was against the wall i want to harry reid to get hunter $50,000 to do a study so we would not miss a year.
$150,o00 to do a study so we were not messier. $35 million -- that we would not miss a year. million, for the project. stay tuned, i am foreign infrastructure bill of multiple trillions, roads, bridges, but when it comes to infrastructure, senator graham has been there and will be there for you. moderator: annex panelist, adam. >> both of you have been attacked as extensions of your party leadership. you have both said you will represent the people of south carolina. what national issues if any we dissent from your party taking votes? moderator: senator graham? sen. graham: my name on talk radio. i have worked with democrats for a decade to get a copperheads of immigration solution. to give the 11 million here illegally to stay on our terms, learn our language get to the back of the line and secure our border, increase legal
immigration so people do not have to change. changebeen to climate solutions caucus with democrats and republicans. i voted for justice sotomayor justice kagan and got the crappie out of me here at home by republicans. i thought that is where we are supposed to do it. i want to solve problems, i want to save social security. it is not just talk with me. i want you to understand your grandparents democratic party is no longer around. the people running the democratic party are not. give illegal immigrants health care and have open borders. medicare for all means medicare for nobody. they want to take your health care way at the worksite. they want to do away with the electoral college. moderator: thank you. mr. hersen? mr. harrison: the first step in terms of working with the other
side is not to call the other side nuts. this is the thing, senator graham. i've a six-year-old i often teach in terms of how to conduct himself. i said, son, sometimes people come from different backgrounds and they see the world differently. but that does not make them bad because of it. even though democrats and republicans may take different paths, hopefully our destination is the same. how can we make south carolina a better place for all of us? not just democrats or republicans or progressives or conservatives or liberals and whatever other term you want to come up with? we are south carolina ants first. we are americans first. -- we are south carolinaians first. my best friend in college with republican chair. matt and i, there was a story written about how we were the odd couple because we worked together, we respected each other. that is the foundation for how you get things done. you have in washington for 25
years, yes you listed climate tension immigration and those are issues that have still not been addressed. -- climate change and immigration. those have still not been addressed. you have all the past three laws that you sponsored originally in 25 years. moderator: thank you, sir. we are running tight on time let me get this question in. alonzo? as a the cron so -- crowbar's pandemic exposed, educational equity has room for -- as the coronavirus and to make exposed, educational equity. what are your plans for opportunities for minority k-12 opportunities throughout the state to ensure college as a viable option for them? moderator: mr. harrison? mr. harrison: college has to be affordable and accessible. one of my jobs running on nonprofit college summit helping low income kids get an opportunity to go to college and live the american dream.
i'm a testament that works. that is powerful. education is the gateway to the american dream. we need to make sure we can do everything possible to do that. first, we are seeing and witnessing something we have never witnessed in america before. young people have 1.6 troy dollars of debt -- $1.6 trillion of debt. there is more student loan debt in this country than credit card debt, the first time that has ever happened. when you are young person sounded with two hunter $50,000 of debt to start of debt to start out life, no other generation have that. my wife and i are still paying off our student loan debt. that is a burden for many young folks. i want to make sure we reduce tuition costs for kids, so they do not have to be settled and we work on student loan debt crisis so they do not have to be burdened with such debt to start the lives. moderator: senator graham? mr. graham: number one,
harrison, pay your student loans so someone else can go to school. you are a multimillionaire. you want to work for the podesta group i've given you 11 years of europe my tax returns. -- of my tax returns. how much money did you make as a lobbyist and why are you still paying on your student loans? why have you pay them off? you cash in on politics. -- you have cashed in on politics. let me talk about rural areas, if you need internet you need broadband so your students, the brightest minds. past my $10 million grant to wire up rural south carolina and rural america with high-speed internet. a little bit about tone here. he is running and at accusing me of docketing him calling you racist, the worst thing ever said about me in politics, and all i can tell you that is not
who wean african-american male e a senator. you just have to have the right ideas. a daughter of immigrants from india can be our governor. this is a wonderful state. we can do better. >> your time is up. thank you. >> what you saw is lindsay taking all of his talking points and trying to dump it on you. you are worried about everybody else's paycheck other than your own. when you said, we won't allow an extension of the un-limit benefits for folks who are desperate just to make ends meet , what about the fact that you have raised your salary three times? i wish many of us could raise our salaries like that. you raised yours three times. you are worried more about my bills than i am. in addition to my household, i have two boys that i have to take care of along with my wife. i also have a grandmother. i also have a mom who lost her
home. i appreciate the thoughtfulness that you are so concerned about my -- >> your time is up. thank you. we have less than a minute left. i will give you 20 seconds to respond. >> thank you for the job. i make 170,000. i never thought i would make this much money. i pay my on's house payment. i help my knees with her student loans. that is what we are supposed to be doing. >> that's already time for tonight. we want to thank you both. we want to thank all of our panelists. we want to thank allen university. in-person absentee ballots are >> our campaign 2020 coverage continues with candidates campaigning and debating. ofpan, or unfiltered view politics.
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