tv Gov. John Hickenlooper D-CO on Education Gun Violence and School Safety CSPAN February 24, 2018 1:30am-1:55am EST
>> president barack obama. the finald to move event to a bigger -- --is person, who is kind of calls up and says, i think it was 12 days before his acceptance speech and says "we are going to go to the pepsi center, but is it possible to move it a half a mile south to the stadium -- the mile high stadium?" give the idea that the number of , people you have to move coast to coast. this is a moment where the country came together, for hope and change.
>> the mistake we have made right now, we have tried to allte a one-size fits solution. people are so, they look in with their children's education, this is part of their intimate life. it's a question they care about more than almost anything else in their daily routine. i've been here for wild there. i thought that longer school years was the answer. i think there's probably a lot of answers, but if think more got to engagee school districts, especially have them, hugo, feeling that they are part of the discussion and they own the decision. one thing we have seen in colorado again and again. iran for mayor in 2003 -- -- when i ran for mayor in 2003,
id i never ran for anything, promised, i had a young man volunteer on the campaign by the name of michael bennet. >> now governor bennett. should say if you get elected, unlike other school districts for the mayor and superintendent never talk to each other, it will be the first city where i will visit every public school in my first four years. " i said i would do it. later he would say "maybe if you have been better stops, someone would have pointed out there are 161 schools. " i went to a school every week for four years. michael, two years later became the superintendent of schools, and played i think a staggeringly important role in transforming public schools. that process of meeting all those teachers, all those parents, that's where you visit the classrooms.
it really drove home the fact that everybody has the same -- it's amazing. everybody loves their school, they felt the overall school system was failing. obviously, that's possible. >> there are schools that are failing. what do you think we should do for students? good model, though there is a less successful format statewide. if you have a school, you've got to be willing to step up and try to provide the tools for a massive change over. in some schools, the culture is so bad you need to close the school, clean it out, and reopen it. that in many cases has been proven successful. michael bennet was superintendent for three years and started that. this person has been -- that for a most years. you see the outcomes in the last decade.
-- public schools have reduce their dropout rate by 70%. a lot of that is taking failing schools, getting them -- a failing school doesn't engage their kids. the kids can't wait to drop out. when you have a better system -- school system, you have a much lower dropout rate. >> these teachers, so many of them are buying supplies with their own money. governor 2 -- governor cooper was talking about how much time they spend out of the classroom preparing. barbara, mike -- barbara was a first grade teacher, our ceo was a special education teacher in wisconsin. as you are visiting those 161, right? gov. hickenlooper: backgov. hickenlooper: then. now there are 190. host: tell us about a classroom that was memorable, a school that was different -- different, a principal or teacher who somehow found something that worked and cracked the code. gov. hickenlooper: well, and again i could -- i could spend all morning talking about it, there were so many examples.
one of the things i loved most was when local businesses would connect. there was a middle school, they are right behind a large sheet manufacturer -- cheese manufacturer. they didn't know it, but look pre-no was constantly finding ways to get them free cheese, food. then, he started following the kids for middle school as they went through high school, and funding mentors. >> wow. gov. hickenlooper: then, funding them to community college. we have a thing called the denver scholarship foundation. the pre-no was very helpful. >> governor, -- the company was very helpful. >> governor, i want to know about the most successful non-bureaucratic approach to mentoring. if someone wants to help a school in their area, maybe
doesn't have the resources of some of their schools, what can you do? gov. hickenlooper: this is my opinion, and i'm not a professional. if i were able to wave a magic wand and look at these cloud-based technology companies, if there were a way to get past federal laws about sharing information about kids, is it health-related, most hen kidsare not there w need them. when you look at ask risk -- at at-risk kids, especially when they move. old,th-grade, 12-13 years they move, and low income families are moving all the time, right? all -- oftentimes, once or twice a year. they moved to a different school district, that magnifies the risk of dropping out by four times, five times. huge risk, and yet mentor centers. we have rec all the different, big brother,
big sisters. no one has a system by which we connect. all the support for these at-risk kids, there's ottavio way through technology, that when those kids move, everybody gets alerted. in many cases, the kids come into the new schools. they are so busy that no one pays attention to the kid, who often feels like an outsider. they don't have the same social support, friend us. their parents don't have it at home. if there was some way to do that, i think that would be powerful so that mentors -- another thing is just to listen to the kids. i once was backstage at something with meryl streep. aboutar it occasionally the youngest daughter. how is it you were it -- i asked, how you raise kids that are having normal jobs and lives? i said "my husband and i never
careers." every conversation at the dinner table was about their lives, their world, what was going on with them, really trying to listen more deeply. i think that's good advice for mentors as well. --t: your governor, and people are interested in what you have to say. the white house is part of this national governors association. what are you going to saint president trump about his idea of bonuses for teachers who decide to, and are trained for this? gov. hickenlooper: i think he's heard enough in the last 24 hours. i probably don't need to say anything. when i went to other schools, even back them, people were discussing whether to arm, ever since columbine which was 1999, this has been an issue. i can't remember, i've met a few teachers who thought that was a good idea. almost every teacher thought it was a terrible idea.
they thought it would make schools less safe. bedrooms toin their protect themselves. it's a very, he would have to train teachers. they would have to train teachers about something they don't want to learn about. looking forward to talking to president trump about other things, which i think in terms of gun safety, he wants to and bump stocks. they could raise the age for kids to to own an assault weapon. that's the first step to making sure that assault weapons are pulled out. this,will tell us about too more on guns. one, said that because of columbine, colorado knows best practices. it's been a topic in your state longer than everywhere. what has colorado learned event? that tragic
gov. hickenlooper: so, , i think, training nowadays pretty much every .chool has security certainly, every high school does that i'm aware of. most every middle school. i don't think there's a single one thing that makes sense, having everybody train. we see it again and again. , we have failure universal background checks, past in 2014. checks,ith background even with restraints, security people will make mistakes. having guns so available to so many people makes the task of safe almostschool
impossible. obviously, we want, we have gone free schools. that't think in any way makes them more vulnerable. i don't think the data reflects that. i don't think that's an accurate statement. host: so, you think the proposal from the president is dead on arrival? gov. hickenlooper: that's a horrible -- dead on arrival. that's a horrible phrase. i didn't mean that. i don't think it will have traction. every republican i know doesn't expect a great solution. even in the old west, colorado is a representation of the old became as a community more successful, they would make you check your sixgun at the town gate. dodge city, the idea was to get guns out of the everyday .ituation our call, people's emotional makeup, their tempers, whatever,
their guns. of look at the number suicides that are gun related, it's probably over 1/2 nationally now. people that want to take their own life, it's a of depressioniod or bipolar disorder, a serious event. and, they want to kill themselves. many times, they can't put their hands on a gun. data, but it's exaggerated more. to thesemore subject emotions. if you can make it harder for them to get their hands on a gun , they can live their whole lives. >> i've not heard that before. driving the analogy to statistics. >> i think that's a, it's a misconception that having guns in your bedroom drawer is going
to make it safer. most people who do that, it's not most, but the statistics i follow, you are more likely to .ave that gun used against you >> governor of the atlantic didn't article in 2000 -- 2013 that said "no single issue affects people more than gun control." interestingan political state because it's the mountain west and is growing so fast. people are -- argued before the selection that it was going to nevada, one of the swing states. what have you learned in your experience for minor democrats about how to navigate gun control? gov. hickenlooper: i think part of the problem is a reflection of the continued divide between the role america and urban suburban america. it's all -- almost a different
facets of what lincoln talked about when he talked about a house divided against to self shall not stand. we've got to fix it. anybody who lives in an urban area and thinks they are not the pendant on when -- where their food comes from is crazy. we don't oftentimes do a good enough job in urban areas going out and getting involved across -- in rural parts of the state, representing those self interests. they are living, raising cattle, i think we've got a lot of time over the last six-seven years of going to try -- going out and trying to listen harder. if you want to persuade someone to think about an issue differently, don't tell them why you think they are wrong. it's better to keep asking. . spent 15 years in brewpub if you get people to repeat back what they feel strongly about,
ask them questions about their concerns, it almost always makes them think about the issue. it gives them a chance to be heard. somebecome more open to sort of compromise. i think that's guns long-term, you think about what we end the 1944 --pression, 1933, 1934, the submachine gun was invented at the end of world war i -- world war i. at -- they topic sold the tommy gun of self-defense. bootleggers used tommy guns, machine gun kelly, the st. valentine's day massacre , the american public had enough . when franklin roosevelt became president, he ran on gun safety, getting rid of violent sports. >> to take away from the modern
-- the take away from the modern democratic party is to keep listening -- gov. hickenlooper: keep listening and allow public sentiment. i think this might well be a tipping point. it's been incremental, and now people are going to start with, let's raise the age. maybe assault weapons should belong in a shooting range and don't need to be, should be used for this. host: for people tweeting along, it's a good tweet. tell us about this tipping point. what is it you believe is the tipping point? gov. hickenlooper: i have people in my office in the last few days that are so fed up. a couple of republicans, conservative people are saying " enough is enough. i'm going to put my dollars against my party, towards electing people that will enact reasonable, thoughtful gun safety measures. that process of
having, it stopped being so partisan. ourselves to be terrorized. if you look at someone in a basement in leningrad, were wanting to hurt america. what better way than to make our children feel that they are unsafe at school and shouldn't -- go toool, they are school there anxious, they won't learn as well. we are allowing this to be done to ourselves. >> you been traveling with john kasich, you're are a democrat, he's a republican. you've had a focus on less partisan issues. what have you learned traveling with a republican? >> i had dinner with john last night. much, but i ran for mayor in 2000 three, the first election i ever did, john kasich
in 1994 became that share of the senate or house budget committee. he's been there for so long, and he's a great perspective. everybody is the same. doesn't matter whether -- you are all in it together. partisanure, i'm less than most people. governors are generally less partisan. kasich is a classic case and point. he is a republican, but he cares more about the country and a state. partisanship, he is a good republican at least in the old sense about what eating a republican meant. i think the willingness of people to get past partisanship is the only way this country will create legislation. host: a new yorker argued -- article called you the middleman. is there a market for the middleman?
gov. hickenlooper: it's hard to say. certainly, at times there's not. we were seeing backstage a lot of anger, the new black. i think there's a real frustration around people. that pushes people towards the extreme. most great solutions come as a result of compromise. compromise on most always moves you somewhere closer to the middle. host: what are the chance of a buddy picture and -- of you and government kasich becoming a presidential dickens? gov. hickenlooper: that's a long shot for couple reasons. one, we both like to joke about it, but our politics today whether we like it or not, most of the funding for national campaigns comes out of people that have a strong tie to one party or the other. they fight relentlessly to support their party can it. there are some people who would fund an independent campaign, but it's not the same level he would need to be credible. sometimes the most symbolic statements are the most
powerful. i think kasich's got some more public service and him, and i might as well. we will see how that works out host: what is it, 352 days? gov. hickenlooper: 321. [laughter] host: 321 days. what is your next act of public service? gov. hickenlooper: we are working on a number of projects. we talked a little bit about back -- backstage about, two thirds of our kids are never going to get a four-year college degree. we tried everything. we are doing an apprenticeship program for bankers, insurance topanies, allowing kids their last two years of high school work. they trained in the curriculum, learned in a curriculum that is more successful. tied that with a partnership of linkedin, microsoft. it's skillful. that skills-based discussion that every -- people go through their whole lives, to see what
skills they are missing. this is so exciting. i think it's going to be a big change and improvement. ie worry -- the moment started worrying about what am going to do next, not only do i get distracted, but my cabinet members. we hired a great secretary of education. i think we got 321 days to focus -- not to say my wife and i don't occasionally have discussions, but we are focused on getting things done. host: how did she feel about your running for president? gov. hickenlooper: my wife is the senior executive for a $75 billion company. she thinks it's hilarious. [laughter] just thinks it's interesting. we' wel willl see what those discussions, where they go. host: you mentioned independent candidate. do you think an independent candidacy is feasible in america? gov. hickenlooper: at this moment, not in a way that's viable that we could win.
an independent candidacy could have power, in terms of getting statements out. post: last questions. it were to first when you became governor of an american state. you are the first geologist to ever be a governor. and, you're the first print owner -- the first group were since sam adams -- 7092 to become a governor. 1792. what did you learn about running a brew press that helps us governor? gov. hickenlooper: oh, i could go on -- the most important thing you learn in any restaurant, service industry, there is no margin, profit and having enemies. no matter how unreasonable that person is, keep talking, work it out in whatever way you can. there's always a tomorrow. and politics, so many of these politicians, these politicians, define themselves by who their enemies are and how they can put them down. that's never constructive. host: what a treat. think it very much,