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12:00 eastern on c-span two. and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on c-span3. working with our cable affiliates as we explore america. look in u.s. election integrity, and the process of making it more efficient. this is part of a daylong summit hosted by the assistance created as a check on voting practices. it is just over one hour. >> while dr. stuart is getting miked up, i want to say thank you to chairman masterson for and to us get off here, doug chapin for those wonderful remarks. the panel we have here is called election efficiency and integrity, improving the voter
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experience. most of this panel will be focused on data, and the importance of how we use it in the elections community. we have a great panel here for you. you have biographies in front of providedmy staff has some abbreviated biographies which i will read. then we will start hearing from the panel. i have asked each of them to speak for about five minutes or so. i then have some questions for them, and then we will go to questions from you. started, i want to thank all of you for being here. for helpingank you to kick off the 2018 elections. it's hard to believe it's already 2018. we are taking them off, but officials have already started working on this the day after their last election.
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so i know those of you who are election officials in the audience know this is an your first kickoff. others have said it's just the kickoff in january, but you have all been working on the selection since the last election. and i appreciate all the hard work you've put into making our elections so good in this country. so i will do some brief panel introductions before getting going. right, secretary barbara. she has served as the secretary of state since 2015. she has more than 30 years of public service and small business experience. prior to becoming secretary of state, she represented clark county district eight in the nevada senate. she was elected to three consecutive terms representing clark county, district five. thank you for being here. left, she is a senior researcher at the group were she served as a lead researcher for
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the eac's election administration survey. they did a fantastic job for us this year. that's not an easy task, believe me. for more than a decade, she is worker private and public partners, including charitable trust, and our friends at the federal voting assistance program. so thank you for being here. , michael as the registrar of voters for san bernardino county, california, which is actually the largest geographical jurisdiction in the country. michael has spent more than 18 years working as a director in three states. reportingise is in results quickly and accurately, as well as assisting voters. he has made his mark at each post. in san bernardino county, he
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made the office into a more efficient and effective organization, and i know that from visiting out there. it is quite an impressive operation. he has consolidated underused polling places and improved poll worker efforts and much more. so we are excited to hear about what you are doing with your office there. to my far left, maybe , i have dr. charles stewart. distinguished political science at the massachusetts institute of technology, or m.i.t.. his extensive research includes close looks into congressional politics, elections and important american political developments. those of us in this room who have come to rely on his undeniable ability to help us
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better understand voters in how election administrators can best serve them. thank you very much for taking time to be with us today. so i have asked each of the panelists to make about a five minute presentation. i will start on my far right with michael. take it away. for allowing me to serve on this panel with such accomplished panelists. i have to warn you, i am an elections geek. i can go on for hours about this the. i know we have a short amount of time, so i will refer to my notes. goal of the goal of a local election official is to conduct elections in a fair, accurate, accessible, efficient and transparent manner. meeting that goal is difficult. we rely on temp workers and poll
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expectation ise perfection from the public and media. so we are constantly thinking about ways to improve our processes. one of the ways we can do that is to use data. we typically collect raw data, we analyze that data and convert it into information. the analysis to prepare that data has been simple. we look at the number of registered voters. we look at the store turnout. computations into law. though, is that many of those computations are based on averages across the county. that's helpful, but it can be problematic because if we base
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things on averages, sometimes we weerestimate how much supply need. sometimes we overestimate and waste money. so in reaction, many officials like myself have spent a lot of time crunching data to try and be more efficient. in my 18 years in this business, i have challenged my staff to crunch their numbers. i always tell them that they should've paid attention in math class. i remind them that everything we do must be based on numbers. whoave an elections analyst does nothing but crunch numbers and develop processes. so we currently analyze data in every area of our organization. the process goes like this. data about how we
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look at polling places, for instance. so we collect data about the polling places. i think we'll talk more about that this afternoon. we inventory the number of parking spaces at those locations, we measured the square footage, and then we collect data on voter behavior. historically when you look at voter turnout, you look at where people live and when they vote. we measure when people vote by the hour. this is something that is kind of unique. i don't think too many counties do that across the country. we also look at how people vote. did they vote on a regular ballot, a provisional ballot, or just a by mail ballot? predict how the voter will behave on election day. we do simulations. we look at how long it takes a
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voter to drive to their location. we look at how long it takes them to park their car, walked into the location. is a long ballot? is it a short ballot? we gather that data. about pollher data worker behavior. how long does it take for a provisional supervisor to process a provisional voter? we take all of this information and we crunch it. we take this data and calculate the capacity of each of our polling places. we then take that information and put it into software before assigning people to polling places. the goal is to keep every , but not havebusy any polling place be overwhelmed. we also protect the number of voters by the hour at each voting place.
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we use this information to determine how many supplies and put in in every location. and then a balance of how many types. keep in mind, people always ask how may ballots, well, it is not just one ballot. in our county, it is over 400 different ballot types that you have to distribute through the county. you have to calculate the number of each of those types. so it is very complicated. we also assigned the number of poll workers based on projections. we do that for pete hours, so we don't have problems. the number varies. it is not just three or five at any location. it's anywhere from five to 18 poll workers at any given location. dinner plan lunch or breaks around peak times, so we don't have a lot of voters coming during break. we have found this data analysis is helpful. it has helped to keep things smooth. it is not always dependable.
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to beforen addition election day, we surveyed each and every one of our polling places to see what turnout will be like. we make corrections as necessary. the result of our data collection and analysis has been that we have created more convenience for our voters. we have very few lines, and if we do they are very short. not justsed that money to give taxpayers back the money, but to expand services. this we conduct similar analyses of early voting for mail ballot drop-offs was , andjust one example. so this means we conduct similar
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analyses of early voting for mail ballot drop-offs as well. progress. the we analyze the time it takes to process ballots each step of the way. to count them. to duplicate them. to store them. to adjust as necessary. to assigne numbers poll workers. we have over 3500 workers in our county. to get them, we have to contact over 10,000 people. 7000.e to schedule over we train over 5000. we have to sign over 4000 to get the 3500 to work on election day. we must also recruit and train people in six different certains and place people at different precincts. because we are a large area of 20,000 square miles, we are assigning by region.
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what we have found is that in --h region, people behave their behavior is different. some are more dependable than others. so that's a quick look at how we use data. it has increased our efficiency and it has made the voter experience better. we also passed information to state and federal officials to compare our performance against other jurisdictions. >> thank you so much and there's an unending number of data points that we connect and do other things with. thank you from the local level. we now go to the state level. interested in hearing what you have to say. >> thank you for having me today.
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we have 17 counties and we have 15 that are elected clerks and we have a very large county in clark. we understand the pain that you are going with. one of the things i wanted to explain to everybody, one of the things that is always unusual to me is to hear acronyms. they can mean something different. so i want to make sure you're aware of the acronyms i'll be using to talk about what we're required to do. one of them is the election administration and voting survey. it is i biannual -- it is a biannual survey. collectedthat is includes voter turnout, registration, pre-election
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voting, absentee voting, overseas voting, poll workers. vra, theave the voter registration agency. it is required to offer its customers the opportunity to register to vote. , welfare orthe dmv employment assistance agencies and disability service division and military recruitment offices. the next one you will hear about, the cover transactions. every time a client is requesting a service, filling out a former application, the vr required by law to give the person the opportunity to
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register to vote. these are called cover transactions. offer thes the dmv to opportunity to register vote. i want to make sure everybody knows our acronyms. in nevada, we use data to -- the the amiss ration administration of elections. we are focusing on transactional data to monitor the effectiveness of voter registration agencies. on a regular basis, we are looking at what they give us to find out if it is accurate and
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if there are any issues we might see. we coordinate routine reporting. agencies registration record and report the number of covered transactions, whether the client chooses to register or if they will send it in later . those numbers are tracked. the number of voter registration applications at each local office transmits to the county election office. local officials track and record the number of ballots applications received from each voter registration agency and send that information to the secretary of state's office. the secretary of state receives monthly reports from the department of motor vehicles. we get it from health and human
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services and these reports are made available online at ww i will give you an example. if a significant decrease from previous reporting periods is being transmitted from the voter registration agency to a local election office, the secretary of state program staff and the voter registration agency will investigate to determine the cause of whether any corrective action is necessary. we do that on a regular basis between the two agencies. we are evaluating the offices, it isng another metric program staff uses to identify where review and corrective action might be
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necessary. a local voter registration agency office that exhibit slower than average completed voter registration applications or rejected applications can indicate potential issues during the covered transaction and the need for staff to review training materials. the secretary of state's office puts this data collection into charts and graphs which allows for the review of large amounts of data at a glance as well as the identification of statistical variations. -- this allows for other data sets. the department of health and human services reports multiple figures for more than 100 offices on a monthly basis. in the raw data format, interpreting this data can be daunting.
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by placing this data in a line program, staff can easily determine if there are any deviations. collecting this data from voter registration agencies allows the secretary of state to be proactive during conversations with any of the advocacy groups. nevada uses voter registration turnout also to identify best practices at the local level. we feel very confident in the information we are getting and being able to work with any of the agencies in nevada to see if we have any issues or where we might need to go in a different direction or look at how we might need to change what we are doing. i look forward to the next part. >> is both of these presentations -- the goal here is to make the process better for the voter and serve our
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taxpayers better as well. servants, atblic least this side of the aisle. collecting that data makes a big difference in how we can make the voter experience better. from the west side of the country, i am now turning to the other side of the country. the two panelists are both researchers, academics. very interested in hearing what you all have to say and what you have seen with the data and how to make things more efficient and bring more integrity to the voting process. >> thank you so much for having me today. i'm a senior researcher at marsh group. we had the pleasure of working to administer the 2016 election
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administration and voting survey. i am happy i got to follow our election officials because these are exemplary of how powerful data can be, if used correctly, to improve our processes and evaluate whether policies we have in place and the investments we are making in the election system are having the intended effect. we dealt withnge as part of the election administration and voting survey is how can we learn from each other? they talked about elections create so much data and we have great examples of harnessing that data to do one's job better and make sure elections are run well. it is really important to remember, and i am lucky i'm on one of the early panels, there is no one election in the united states. there are thousands of
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independent elections that run at the state and local levels. they are run with their own processes and frankly, their own vocabulary. we talk about acronyms, it is really important because without having common definitions, we really struggle to talk to each other. the election administration and voting survey, it is a large-scale data collection process, data collection instrument. calling it a survey is a misnomer. variety of topics. is 2004 is remarkable was the first survey and it is
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remarkable to think fundamental questions about elections in the united states -- for example, how many precincts and polling places are in the united states? it is mind-boggling to think there was no one place you could find that information. it seems so basic and fundamental. the answer to that question for 2016, 178,000 individual precincts. 117,000 individual polling places. 8500 early voting locations in the u.s. those numbers are still complicated to interpret. pieces a very important of information and it is shocking that we would not have known that before. a couple of other highlights we learned, there were about --
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officials processed about 77.5 million registration forms. dmv, department of motor vehicles offices, about a third of them were coming from our dmv's. one change was increasing use of online voter registration systems. we had about 17.4% of registration forms coming from online systems. 5%.012, it was only about books, we saw an increase . 2.5 million provisional ballots. full.unted in part or
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that is an important metric to consider how that protection is working. very active overseas voter population. -- 178,000ballots ballots transmitted. than about 100,000 more 2012. almost 80% were ultimately returned and counted. these are important pieces of information about elections and united states are doing. while these are neat insights, what is important about the develop ait helped us common language to talk about elections. our secretary from nevada mentioned this.
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, without aronyms common definition of these basic terms, we really can't. it becomes very difficult to learn from each other. that has been a very important -- it is a work in progress and this year, the federal voting ran a sectiongram b working group that brought together officials to talk about the military overseas voter section to talk about the challenges they face collecting the data and reporting it and helped refine those definitions. this common language, it unlocks the possibility of using all the data that get collected or more
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of the data because it is really copious amounts. ves.rder to report to the eav to administer elections. grounds a tool on the that makes sure elections are happening. there are so many possibilities out there already moving to projects with common data, data standardization where we are looking at directly from the data being collected at a transactional level and how can we take it from multiple jurisdictions? i believe there are 13 involved in that project this year. how can we make this transactional data talk to each other? very exciting opportunities in the future and i think it is
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such an important part of that. >> it really does show us the big picture nationwide, how things are going. the successes and the challenges. continue to work on that with our partners in the federal government and on the ground, and our researchers will make it even better. it is invaluable information. i will go to dr. stuart. thank you so much for being here. >> it is great to be here. thank you for inviting me. with our start relative political locations. those of us who are in this business of researching elections, we often times talk about making it easier to
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voters. that is the goal we all share as we try to make elections better. this movement toward data-driven election administration is an effort to try to understand the degree to which we might have certain values that determine may be how we think about achieving those goals. we can decide some of those questions based on the facts. areink those of us who geeks, we are driven to see how much we can base our knowledge and actions on the evidence in front of us. a lot ofhere is success stories i will talk about in a little bit where, when we focus on the facts, we can really make a lot of progress. that is the important thing here. the topic today is making the
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voting experience better for voters, making it better for the nation. the way i jump into this as election geek is thinking back to the year 2000 and the event that got me actively involved in studying electra and -- election administration and many people around the country noticed, there is something interesting here in election administration. that was the florida recount. , i being a native floridian have always been very interested in election administration. interesting thing to me as an academic about the florida we took a deep breath and try to figure out what was going on, try to
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understand whether what happened in florida was a one off situation. out, really figure how bad is it after all? elections areof going to be close. the fact that you have a recount is not a problem. that is a good thing. are the problems that emerged during the recount, or the general? are they specific -- are they general? are they specific to a place? in 2000, there was not a good sense of the answers to these questions. america vote act was passed in 2002, the question became, we will spend a couple of billion dollars to make elections better.
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how do we know was that money was well spent? all of these come down to questions of fact and data. in 2000, that despite all the data, very little of it had been used for management purposes. things wene of the calledan organization the caltech m.i.t. voting technology project. around to find ways in which we could use data already being collected. how bad was it in florida? how does it compare to other states? how does it compare to the past? we discovered, i discovered
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somebody named kim who had been talking for many years about election return data, discovered that the census bureau had been asking questions of voters for many years about problems they were having when they turned out to vote. we discovered there was a load of data that could be used to assess elections and chart the improvement. we discovered in 2000, when we amassed all this data and we looked at it from the perspective of, how many lost votes were there? way,n, think about it this wake up on election day, back in the days we all voted on election day, u.s. a voter do everything right and at the end of the day, the vote that you cast is not counted. how many votes was that? -- what we discovered
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, between 1.5 and 2 million votes on that election day were lost because of failures in voting machines, hanging chads, poorly maintained mechanical machines. we were also able to calculate that between 1.5 and 3 million people did not get to vote because of problems with voter registration. around a million people walked away from the polls because of long lines or other problems they faced in the polling places. an unknown number of problems with absentee ballots. we later discovered to be a similar magnitude to the numbers i just mentioned. and also in 1996 and 1992.
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fast-forward to the present, have those billions of dollars and efforts been worthwhile? roughly out, we see three quarters of those votes that were lost because of voting machine problems have gone away. half the voter registration lost votes have gone away. about a quarter of the polling place problems have gone away. in other words, we have, in the 2016 election, 2012 election, 2008 election, 2004 election, there have been a couple more -- couple million more voters in america who had their votes counted purely because we got better at running elections, and we were able to document that. that is a valuable thing, both
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to understand how well our democracy runs, understand that we can make it better, and understand how we could use our limited resources to target where to make things better. interestedmic, i am in these things because i am curious about everything in a perverse way. the use of data like this that comes from a wide variety of sources can help us to pinpoint where problems are -- as an aside, when one discovers there are problems with voting machines or long lines, it is hard to tell if this is a problem everywhere or a few places. understanding exactly where to focus attention is a really important thing. in 2000, just about everybody had problems with voting machines. there was one state, and i don't had evenhame anybody,
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bigger problems that florida in terms of lost votes. guess what, they got to the data before we did and they got really good at their voting machine management. figuring out where the problems are and going after the problem. there is a similar story from aboutwhen all we cared were people waiting in long -- in line a long time, it was a similar thing. how bad is the line problem? it turns out just about every newspaper or website in america on election day has a picture of a lot of people standing in line waiting to vote at 7:00 in the morning. true or that generally is it just because there is one precinct everywhere and everywhere else is good?
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how extensive is the problem? where should we concentrate our resources and how will we know what we did better? this is a case where, election officials have been gathering , but we have been able to amass data in order to assess where the problems are and to address the problems to make things better in 2016. in 2012, we were already asking voters how long they had to wait to vote. we discovered there were about half a dozen states where this was a problem statewide. every city in america, it was probably a problem. but there are a lot of places in america where it was not an endemic problem. here we had to create data-gathering processes since it is not a common practice or
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universal practice to count how many people were in line. working with bipartisan policy center, we developed protocols for local election officials. and to rely on queuing theory to turn those numbers into estimates. 2016, whent that a we went back and asked voters how long they waited in line, though states that had really 2012, southn carolina, virginia, maryland,, florida, their lines were cut in half or three quarters. that is a story of a lot of things going on. part of that is figuring out understand where the problems were.
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every polling place was not a problem child. from my perspective, whenever i give my big talk about how elections are going in america, i oftentimes will start with one of my favorite videos which is -- about the powers of 10 and i use that video to illustrate how there are different levels of understanding the world, one of which being elections. we can understand what is happening at a national level, state level, county level, or at polling places. when he to understand all of those levels and what is happening -- we need to understand all of those levels and what is happening on those levels. say, due thing i will to the generosity of the carnegie corporation, i have a year off to write a book about
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elections in america. the working title and subtitle, voting america: doing better but feeling worse. the subtitle is to point out where there continues to be a america is a banana cut -- banana republic. i think the story is quite a different one. the evidence is we are getting better and we do have a positive story and there are challenges. the trick is to measure what the challenges are, instrument voting so that we can use our limited time and money efficiently to make elections even better and overcome the new challenges that continue to be thrown at us. thank you. our relativeut
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political positions but the great thing about the elections community is that we all come together focused on what are the facts and how can we find common ground to make the elections better for administrators, and especially for the voters? possibly ofwe are different parties all throughout our community, we have the same focus. to make sure people get out to vote and their experience is a good one. that, i'm going to ask a couple of questions of the panel and then we will go to the audience. we do not have a huge amount of those were longer than five minutes presentations -- five-minute presentations, but well worth listening to. elections to create a lot of data. what are the two or three data points or sets of data you think
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are the most important for voters to understand how elections work? i guess i am on this site. -- on this side. when i talk about elections, it seems to me that voters do not know the basic contours of how we vote. voters in the west are amazed at how we vote in the east and vice versa. it is a matter of educating voters. one line of controversy, voter id and those sorts of things, people do not know what happens in other states. people do not know how you register in another state. basic facts like that. how do we check in? the other thing i find fact after, the next
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the number of precincts. context set some of the of elections. between 100,000 and 200,000 precincts, we have a million poll workers on election day. the democratic mobilization in this country and we fail to appreciate the size of that effort and the importance of that effort. that is a fact i wish more voters knew and more policymakers new. -- knew. >> as a poll worker in prince william county, virginia, i agree with that. we don't get lunch breaks. i am all about that. 41% or so of people in the 2016 election voted before election day, by mail, early voting,
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absentee voting, and that is important. i agree with you 100%. -- i think there is a need for more localism in some of the data that are reported. howle are interested in their neighborhood voted or how many turned out. >> i will go with something different on this site. -- on this side. you talked about a lot of the data that both of you used to analyze your elections and how things are going. andou also use that data budget discussions? resource allocation, things of that nature? >> certainly.
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i talked about how we, the county administrators want to save money. money and we will use it to expand our services there. the analysis. i want to touch base on the last question. if we are talking about educating voters, the number one way that they get educated was through our website. one of the greatest tools ever is google analytics. it is wonderful. back in 2012, we redesigned our website and we thought we knew what we were doing and we thought it was great. we looked at our google analytics and we see that people are still confused and still have a hard time finding things. we adjusted our website to that
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and we created an application instead of people searching for information, they logged in and we fed them the information. the google analytics helped us educate those voters. both ofan answer one or those questions. >> to be honest, yes, dated as us. us -- data does help in any budget discussion, and we go before the legislature, we bring them examples and we bring them statistics. those are very helpful. the effectiveness of the voter registration is something we needed to point out as well, not only in the voter registration agencies, but we have online. there is a lot more we could be analyzing and looking at, but we are doing a lot.
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california does a lot more than we do. criteria that the is a problem, we all don't do the same and we have a smaller comparison. if we can be on the same page, along with the acronyms, just being on the same page helps us with whatever we are collecting and how we are analyzing and looking at it from state to state. >> that is why these conversations are important, so that we can hear what other people are doing. audienceg to go to the . we do not have too much time. i think we have a couple of roving microphone's. -- microphones. >> excellent, thank you very
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much. stear a question for dr. wart. when you pointed out those wonderful improvements and more people getting her votes counted, did i get it right that the least improvement was problems in the polling place? if i am remembering -- if i heard you properly, i am wondering if you and the panelists have any ideas about what can be done to improve that area? >> thank you. >> very quickly, since jim directed the question to me and i am sure the rest of the panelists have better ideas than i do. yes, you heard me right. which is that the polling places that lagged behind from 2000,
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the observation i make when i talk at greater length about this is that if you think about the other big problems that were identified in 2000, voting machines, voter registration, each of those have a magic bullet associated with them. those are things that can usually be implemented from the top down and are just a matter sometimes of spending money. polling places are about managing those million people and that's more like pushing on what spaghetti -- on wet spaghetti. it strikes me that in many ways, the polling place problems, the smallest in number, are the most vexing because of the nature of the problem. comment i have is what i hear from the 17 counties
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in nevada. people who are, sometimes new or have been there for a long time and do not know the new laws specifically but we do training and we try to improve the training but we have human beings that are at the polling places doing the work. sometimes, that can be an issue and other times, we are happy they are there. kind of a mixed bag sometimes. >> other questions from the audience? you mentioned the difference between quantitative and qualitative. i would like for you to talk about that as how it relates to how election officials might conduct that type of analysis. you collected a lot of data and
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analyzed it. how would you encourage local election officials to analyze their data? how did you do that? >> i am really understood in the answer to the second question. certainly, look, the advantage of quantifying things is that it way offficient identifying problems and moving in a wholesale manner and management. the qualitative data, by which, i think, the question implies talking to people fills in why it is that you might have a problem here or there. like any sort of management tool, there is a variety of ways of approaching the data that are certainly going to be powerful. i want to hear how they got to do this in san bernardino.
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>> your office is not huge. smallest elections office per capita in the country. we only have 28 employees to serve the population of 2 million people in 20,000 square miles. important thing is to get buy-in from management, to get the county to invest in analytics and to our participate -- and to participate on a national level from sections like this. , gatherformation information from other officials and learn from each other. that is the best way to improve processes. i think we have seen that a lot. when i got in this business in gore year, iush week ov.
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was shocked. they were using typewriters and were not even using computers. we have come a long way. with all of these jurisdictions throughout the country collecting their data, that is -- we make some heavy assumptions about what this quantitative data are. qualitatively, understanding who is inputting data and how are these connected or not connected, how are they -- areying, our dates dates being put in to fill a gap at the end?
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>> question from the audience? >> i have a question around early voting and data around early voting. early voting varies dramatically by state and by how much time is allotted from a couple of days to multiple weeks at a time. from a jurisdictional perspective or academic dataective, is there any days, first couple of there is a huge influx? does it take back up at election day -- does it back up at election day? back up at election day? >> anybody want to jump in?
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if i understand your question right, you are talking about the early voting and trends we see from the beginning to the end of that. usually, you could just stop and see who wins or loses in nevada just because people come out and the early vote. the numbers are very high. one of the things we see, it depends on if there is a weekend or if it is during the week when people are coming. we have the malls and community centers. seeings that trend of high numbers in the beginning, not so much in the middle. on the weekends, it is really a big turnout. it depends on the days. each state is a little different in their number of days they have for early voting if they
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have early voting. it is very popular in nevada. votingle have habits in and they get used to voting a certain way. to change those habits takes time. -- whatound in colorado we found in colorado, we made early voting much more available had as-- in 2008, we many people voting early as on election day. amber took that concept and expanded it. we are going through that transition in california right now. we are expanding our early voting and it is starting to catch on. we expect it to continue to grow. statesly quickly, many ary and the data
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they release. i love giving a shout out to north carolina because they put all of their data on an ftp site. get down to the time of day of all early voters. that is a great sandbox to learn about these sorts of questions for people who are really into crunching numbers. excited about all of the focus on analytics but we polls ofsome major voter showing they have little results of thehe election.
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i am wondering if turning the eye to counting of the ballots by hand or releasing digital ballot images. i think the ballots is where people would like to see more progress. i would take an answer on that for many of you. >> i have one answer to that. it is to challenge the premise of the question. in voter lot confidence and public opinions. voters are confident about the localy of vote counting and state level. they are quite skeptical about nationwide. the thing that moves voter confidence is whether your candidate wins or loses.
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nothing that really in the election administration that appreciably moves but her confidence. having said that, i think there are good reasons for doing things like risk limiting audits s to assureechnique voters that votes were counted properly. if one wants to hang reforms of election administration on voter confidence, one may be disappointed because voters are not basing their confidence in the system on election administration. >> we don't count ballots on a national level.
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>> back to your comment about process as well, a lack of understanding. it is a complicated process. >> what you are looking at is a perception problem. rather than changing the process, we have to educate people. we find will me have that candidate that loses, they come in the day after the election and say, this is all crooked. we walk them through and educate them about every single aspect of what we have done in the election. i the time they walk out of there, 99.9% of the time, they are satisfied. we need to do a better job of educating the public about the process. >> do we have any other questions from the audience? yes? >> how are you guys using data -- for listing
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activities? you use data for risk limiting activities? >> it is something that has changed a lot. countyover 3000 databases and now we have 50 state databases. list, itatewide becomes a more efficient list. we can look at duplicative voters, etc., etc.. expand.going to hopefully, we see a consortium of counties or states that have put their lists together.
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that data will get even better as time goes on. end ofave come to the our discussion. we could have gone on for a lot longer. fantastic discussion and i want to thank each of my panelists for generously giving of your time to be here. i appreciate it. i also want to thank all of you for your thoughtful questions. we will take a short 15 minute break and reconvene at 11:15 a.m. thank you very much.
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>> monday, we are in new jersey where they conducted advanced communication research. >> what is most exciting as the 5g. -- this has changed our species. this is what we do now. to go to a new era of to medication. -- of communication. the reason we want to do this, our first for data is never ending. we always want more and more and we have saturated our spectrum.
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we have to go to higher frequencies. these higher frequencies of many other challenges. i want to talk to you, i have to direct my beam directly to you. this is a change in paradigm. it is a huge set of challenges. >> watch the communicators monday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span 2. >> sarah ferris reports on appropriations for politico. she joins us to discuss the budget talks ahead of the january 19 government funding deadline. sarah, what is the status of the talks? sarah: basically they have been working for weeks on this budget caps deal. democrats and republicans have become slowly closer to an agreement on defense and domestic spending, and holding everything up is the immigration


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