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havehappens to the men who been locked up, all the collateral consequences so they get jobs, they're not allowed to live in public housing. 45,000 laws across the country, collateral consequences of one or another. it destroys somebody's life. if they weren't poor when they went into prison, they're definitely in poverty for the their lives. it's totally connected to poverty. >> watch afterwards sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on book t.v., on c-span 2. isjoining us from boston christa case bryant. she's a heartland correspondent at the christian science monitor. of ourere as part spotlight on magazine series to talk about her recent piece, at how st. louis, missouri is working to overcome racial discrimination, after the riots in ferguson three years
ago. christa, thank you so much for joining us today. me.hanks for having >> so we saw, as the events in three --unholded unfolded three years ago, why take a look at this issue now pieceis magazine >> well, it's something i've been curious about for a long time. for americanity media is that we often pay attention when something really don'tppens and then we check in again. in theas curious, aftermath of this, what sort of initiatives have been taken, has any healing in the community. so when i started this new beat as our heartland correspondent, of my firstouis one stops and i was very interested by what i found. piece,arly on in this you compare the people in to those in selma. explain. what are the similarities there that you saw to make that comparison?
that. cameat comparison actually from reverend darrell gray, whom i interviewed for the piece. he is a longtime civil rights activist. been active in the original civil rights movement and has come to st. louis. based in a church in montreal but he's been very active in st. louis, in these in the broader movement. and the reason -- as best i that heod, the reason compares this to selma is because selma was a very tough to crack. part of what helped to crack that was a very intentional to involve white allies. and that's something that doing veryo intentionally in st. louis. just like. louis, selma, has the potential to really help make a big national level a if they're successful there. that's slirnl what they're -- they're working toward. >> we are joined by christa case bryant, a heartland correspondent for the christian monitor, to talk about her current piece on race
relations in the st. louis after the 2014 ferguson riots there. we have a special line for st. louis residents. if you live in or near st. louis, please call 202-748-8003. you painthrista, can us a general picture? what is the mood in st. louis, afterwards?ars do you see things like protests? back to normale if you don't talk to the people? what did you see? only theresh, i was for a week, so i can't pretend to explain the mood everywhere. the people whom i spoke with, they were actually quite hopeful. went to south africa about six years after the end of apartheid. remember there was some a commitment to having really
frank conversations about things. was a realization that wow, just because apartheid ended doesn't mean that we're all set and everything is great now. but there's hope. momentum.s good and it was very similar in st. louis, i felt. was very, very frank conversations going on, a recognition that it's not comfortable to have these kind conversations. but it's really important and it's really vital. and what was interesting is that it wasn't just the people you would expect who would be having those conversations, either who are personally affected by racial enequities in who have or people studied this in school or, you a particular lifelong or career interest in these issues. it's just regular, everyday people who feel like this isn't right. it's not right that i don't know neighbors who live five miles away from me. it's not right being a parent cityaising children in a where they're getting the wrong
"other"on about the side. so it was really refreshing and interesting to see how they're that.ng i would say there's still a sober mood. there's some frustration that after ferguson, there hasn't been a lot of change in sort of a systemic way. think the conversations that residents are having and the way that they're trying to the envelope gives them a lot of energy and hope and momentum. >> so we frequently discuss about how the issue of race isn't just for people within communities of color, that everybody has an interest in it. read a passage from your piece that talks about how it can be tough sometimes for other people to be a part of this. want to, and awe lot of white people want to jump healing without really reckoning with the history and hurts.trust and the deep david dwight, a member of
forward through ferguson. thatou have to deal with first, before you can get to healing. the reckoning with history taking place there, that required before, as youdwight put it, before can get to that reckoning? >> yes, i think there's a lot way. done in that i'm sure much more can be done but seems like there's a good start. that is there's a woman i met named tiffany who started a group called touchy tuesday. and this came out of an incident in her neighborhood, shortly after michael brown had been killed in ferguson. herher man was killed in neighborhood. and she just saw the neighborhood splitting and way that madea her very uncomfortable. she didn't want to have to sides.between two she didn't want her kids to have to choose. neighborhood meeting and got talking with white neighbors of hers.
she's african-american. to gety just decided together for coffee. and she is a woman of faith and praying about how can i be a blessing to my community here. and the answer she got was to start this group called touchy topics tuesday. a very simpleth question, which is, what about my skin offends you? that might not sound like something digging into history of seging at panders that gaition -- patterns of segregation in st. louis over time. sort of simple questions and an answer desire to get answers that is helping conversations and somen her group, she had white participants who she got to be pretty close with. found that there were some mismatched expectations. ended up having some really significant difficulties in their relationship, which they had to work through. so she and this friend of hers
were telling me about that. to work through that and the commitment that that took. that was.portant and i think that's an example. per se. about history but it's sort of like all of the things that history has caused. we are today and how they were working through that on a personal level. then i think, on a broader level, another group i spoke with is called "we story" by two suburban moms. they started this -- basically a parentsgroup for wanting to read books to their kids that would spark conversations about race and racism. and they've been really encouraging their community of participants and alumni to devil into history -- delve into st. louis. there's a fantastic exhibit at the history museum right now about civil rights in st. louis. and it was a really impressive exhibit and they're also doing interactive things and they've of groups go in there.
helping to --at that's helping to spark conversations and more understanding about that history st. louis. >> okay. brian is calling on our independent line from georgia. morning. >> good morning. abouting i want to say race, we as a country have -- i my opinion, have been serious enough about problem of race, because it's a problem. and it's been a problem for hundreds of years now. and we keep -- seems like to me we just keep going in circles. we recognize it's a problem. really doing enough to solve the problem, herese we all got to live at the end of the day. and we all have lives. do whatre going to we're gonna do. but we've still got to be able together. so ferguson, i think, has done a
really good job. it's like that everywhere. it's not just ferguson. fergusonhear about because it actually blew up into a riot. but in the hood, around the here in atlanta, you know, it's like that. police., you see the if you're a black man, like i'm a black man, your see the police. and and, of course, you feel a grow upeery and you with it. it shouldn't be like that. i remember one time, i got police.by the i was with my white friend. she happened to be a female. we walking down the street. police run up on us. they tell my friend to go walk up the street. stop me and put me up against the tree and want to search me. saying?rstand what i'm >> i want to give christa a that. to respond to go ahead. >> well, did you have a specific question? or just... respond to the mood that this isn't just an issue for st. louis and the
surrounding areas. you get a sense that, from the people you talked to there even, about sort of the national impact of all of this? >> sure. well, i think, to the caller's definitely as frustration that, you know, reallyis even had some great civil rights activists, going way back, even before some nationalses that made news, like with the lunch counter sit-ins, things like that. that there's a pride in history, there's also a frustration, like we've been thanng with this for more 100 years, 200 years even, and here?me we're still i think many people around the country, including some white would totally -- what you're saying would totally resonate with them. to start somewhere. and you have to keep pressing forward. and that is what was inspiring to me about the example i saw in st. louis, is that even though like,ld feel a little bit haven't we been here before? we raised this so long ago.
see any we can't systemic change? there's still a feeling of and determination that we need to press forward. and i think there's hope in that amongis an awakening people who don't live in the hood, who don't experience that on a daily level, but they're realizing it's part of their problem too. it's their city, their neighbors, and they want to be involved as well. >> i want to talk about some of the activism that you encountered. namedlked with someone elisa sullivan. it says elisa never expected to get thrown in jail. she had no inclination to join protest. but there came a point where sullivan concluded that it was ate dangerous for her to sit home, ignoring what she now sees justice system for black and white people, than to drive her minivan downtown and face to face with police in riot gear. talk about the activism that came out of this event. think alyssa is a really great example.
when ferguson happened, she felt like, ooh, that's a little scary. that's -- like i feel really involved the people and for the things coming to light but it doesn't really feel i should or could be involved in. that shenk the way started learning and digging into some of these issues and understanding them better and thinking about what is my role justy responsibility, not to my immediate community, which she has always been very my broader, but to community. so then when the stockley andict came down this fall, that was a nonguilty verdict for another white policeman, in another shooting of an african-american man, she felt compelled to join the protests. she did. had this experience that she never imagined she would have had. i think it was really eye opening to her but also her even more to be more committed and involved. >> ginger is on the line,
calling from st. louis, missouri. good morning. >> good morning. i think there are a lot of things i'd like to touch on. that in st. louis, you know -- or you knew -- there's and i'mew police chief hoping great things for us. but you knew that if you were -- was pulled over, it was a black kid pulled over, even in crestwood. like in you'd go to the mall. always pulled over, a black in a car, never white. you begin to think, gosh, there's something wrong. that i talkbusiness with people of varying economics. me thatld say things to would disappoint me. i would hear the n word and think, oh, my god. you? you have stature, you have an education. and you say that? and they don't do that anymore, because they've learned that that's not how i feel. i think there are great things going on in st. louis right now. groups and they are forming and it may be, you know,
weause of trump and what feel like is going on, on a grander scale. know here in st. louis, things are not fair. in my's never been fair, life, and i am 56 years old. groups.joined i was a volunteer in the school system. i think it's very important for white people to stand up and say, huh-uh. that's not right. that's what i try to do. >> all right. christa a chance to respond. go ahead. >> i think there's an element in similar toon, that's the previous question, of just, we keep working at that. how come we haven't seen significant change? when thet reminded caller was speaking about something i heard from senator george mitchell about his brokering peace in north africa. sorry. northern ireland. he said -- i don't remember how many meetings it was, but dozens of negotiation meetings. and after every single one, you
could say, well, that's a failure. don't have a peace tea deal ye. point, they did have a deal. she just emphasized how -- he emphasized how important each of those meetings had been in helping the two sides understand each other and know each other better and work toward that final solution. so i think you don't know exactly when that last little tap on the chisel will break down, but i think it's important to keep chipping away and that's what i saw among spoke with in st. louis. that's encouraging. >> all right. we are joined with the christian monitor's christa case bryant, talking about a piece she wrote in the magazine for racepublication about relations in st. louis. more than three years after the riots there. 202-748-8000. and independence, 202-748-8002. are in st. louis, you can 8003.
christa, you bring up the issue of same-race issues. that, you tell the story of a asck police officer as well captain johnson. i want to play a piece of video piece.nying your let's take a look at that. anomaly.on wasn't an those of us that have been around weren't surprised. when you operate in a capacity that doesn't coincide with the community that you're policing, then that causes problems. when you don't change that, and the community that you serve feels like they're being abused, then at some point, it's going over.l ♪[music] >> african-american men, i had a fear for themyou too. just like everybody else, it's
not guaranteed what kind of officer they're going to run into. they think, y'all are supposed to stick together. doesn't always work like that. we have officers that don't deserve to wear this badge. an unfortunate thing. so i have that same fear, you sons.for my that motivates me to do two things. to reach as many community i can and also to make it so that officers that don't this job, then go do something else. don't make it hard on the rest of us. make the communities fearful of who you are. a lot of officers don't see it that, you know, there are communities out there that are afraid. there's such a lack of trust with police agencies nationwide. agencies, we have to do a better job of engaging our community and building that trust. when you think about it. if you're able to engage the work is aur police lot easier, because they don't feel as apprehensive about
you, and theyth become an asset. that should be the goal for any police department, nationwide, your communities assets to you. the end result is to combat the crime that'sthe happening. got to goeep -- we've out there. we've got to help heal our communities as well as ourselves. >> christa, we have a lot of callers. but first, talk about what you of effort to alleviate distrust between the police and the community. think captain johnson and also sergeant lowe, who you mentioned, who had been ambushed african-american man, and shot many, many times andugh the windshield miraculously survived, i think they both are right on those healing thatf divide and working really hard at it. but it's tough. ofhink another component that, which captain johnson alluded to is there's been a really significant spike in violent crime in st. louis.
going off the 2015 f.b.i. numbers, it was the number one place for murders per capita in the entire country. those numbers held steady in 2016. and i think they were on track about that or even higher this year. so whether you're black or whether you're a good, upstanding police officer or 10% thathe, you know, captain johnson talked about needing to be reformed or switched out of the police department, i think you're deeply affected by that environment. policing really hard. so the work that captain johnson and sergeant lowe are doing to trust among their own community is really vital. >> okay. democraticn the line, from tallahassee, florida. good morning. >> yes. good morning. year.ppy new i've truly been enjoying c-span. have wonderful history programs regarding -- on the aspan 2 and 3 that give us lot of insight.
it's like distant learning it brings into the homes. is,omment and question first, who benefits? from the whiteness, as political elites and employers low-wage labor, it seems gets to create this boundary of whiteness. nail painter is a historian who history of white people. and it would be good to get her on, in light of this discussion, where we are. it seems to me that there is have alike -- and i 90-year-old mother this morning aat i'm fixing breakfast for, black woman who is 90. there was a woman that called in from philadelphia. she said she was 80. and that she was a sunday school teacher. i sit this morning with a 90-year-old black mother who is church, and so this somehowusing god to
then put forward a political part of it seems, is a this problem as well. we live in a country where we history where we now in discussing race as a part of -- almost like it's a club and that therefore there's a white club. and so a club, of course, has members. to usther often talks about being sick and tired of being sick and tired. want to give christa a chance to address some of the issues that you brought up. economicke one was the factor. another was the role that religion might play in this divide. , did you find people talking about those issues? >> yes. people that i the spoke with really saw this as a one way oristry, another. cory bush, who is running for pastor of as a church ch when ferguson
happened, she was really feeling that's where she was being led to bring the best blessing could.ling that she and she told me that people beld tell her, you shouldn't out there. you're out with the devil. she said to them, i didn't know i was supposed to run for the devil, because it's love that pushes out hate. it's light that pushes out the darkness. she's just one example of people divinel a real sense of mission in this work. reverend gray is another one. somenk there may be instances where religion is used in a negative way in had also can be a powerful force for good. >> and what about the economic factors? how that may make things more difficult. >> yes, definitely. that's a huge part of what the commission looked at in the wake of the michael brown killing and the riots that ensued. it's also something that reverend gray and other front protests are working on. they were purposefully staging
areas of, like, shopping centers and malls, not just downtown but in western suburbs where they really wanted to make a disruption to the felt likeecause they just like in selma, that's what people'stting attention. once the business leaders say, look, we can't have this when real change happens. >> okay. john is on the line, from virginia, on our democratic line. hi, john. >> thank you for taking my call. to say, first of all, happy martin luther king day. man who came from africa and lived in this country a long time, i want to thank all of the black leaders who fight for the freedom that i'm enjoying today, who died for it. this.e reality is i think when we were growing up, back in africa, our police knowers, they used to every house. police officers who don't live in the community cannot do better things sometimes because
they go to work, make a the ticketsey write as much as they want, and they families. their the problem that we have also here is relationships start in the community. we find out that ferguson, the police officer was making money the community, for ticketing every driver who is minorg red light or incident. burbut the problem is, as a understandwe need to that don't expect people outside your something good for community. >> i want to give christa a chance to respond to that. what about that issue of thating people from community? >> so i believe that st. louis police officers are now required borders ofhin the the city. that doesn't totally sof the a prettybecause it is large city and it can still be sesegregated according to neighborhood. but i think it's a step in the right direction. mentioned, police officers making money off of
african-american drivers, giving everything, for that is definitely a really big problem. i think ferguson itself has of steps to address that, since the department of justice did an investigation following michael brown's killing. but there are many other municipalities essentially doing the same thing. i mention in my piece, our city ofenders who have done a lot work in this regard. that's certainly an issue. i think it's being raised more and more. and people i spoke with are hopeful that they would be able thate some of the changes have been implemented in other cities as well with regard to that. >> all right. michigan, ong from our independent line. good morning, brian. >> good morning. a question. i have traveled a lot in my life. bit older, a little seen quite a bit. but what i'm always wondering, if i have role models from the past, whether they be george washington, the founding fathers, ben franklin. id i can -- logically, i know
cannot take any credit, any credit for what they've dean. for what they've done. so logically, how can i take any blame? you know? i'm not understanding this from the past. haswhite guy like me enjoyed a good life, has no prejudice in his heart whatsoever. luckily that way. i can't take any credit for greatness of the past nor can i any blame. i have no guilt for that. >> all right. i want to take one more call and christa respond. raymond is on the phone. >> good morning, c-span. morning, ms. bryant. i wrote a letter to the times and i got a response this morning. >> raymond, are you there? go ahead. >> and i got a response this morning. but the letter was basically,
you areo the times, if interviewing the president of the united states and you know countryis dividing this as far as race, why don't you say something to him right then and there? he can be on t.v. and lie again? also, in the letter, i told them that i would actually run for president know how to treat people, white, black, red, yellow. >> all right. to cut you off but we're running out of time. i want to give christa a chance respond both to the issue of some people in the white community feeling as if they're being blamed for past acts as well as the media and how it holds people, up to the accountable for racial division? >> sure. i think both of the callers point andmportant something that could really be how we treat our fellow citizens. you know, now that trump is in office, there's not a whole lot do to change who he is or how he's running the country.
but what was inspiring to me about st. louis's example is that citizens taking matters into their own hands and what can i do? like regardless of what happened in the past or what's happening government,ls of what can i do vis-a-vis my neighbors? youhe first caller's point, don't need to feel a sense of guilt or shame in order to learn neighbors what your and fellow citizens are dealing with. i think that's everybody from white police officers who find themselves in a really tough position to african-americans who are stuck in really positions because of systemic issues in our country. just because you're going and learning more about that doesn't mean that you're somehow accepting shame or guilt or something. it's just -- it's the american spirit to know each other and other and to lift each other up. that's something that's really needed. trump'sink president administration and style of speaking is really underscoring a country need that right now, and the great
thing is citizens don't have to wait for their government leaders to do that. they can do it themselves. that's what they're doing in st. louis. >> okay. christa case bryant. correspondent for the christian science monitor. work atfind her csmonitor.com and you can find twitter @christa bryant. thank you so much for joining us today. >> c-span's washington journal, live every day with news and you.y issues that impact coming up sunday morning, cook's political report editor charlie about the early outlook and race ratings for the midterm elections. and georgetown university discussesprofessor her recent piece, arguing that president trump should consider strike against north korea. then world resources institute ansident and c.e.o., environmental and international development stories to watch in 2018. to watch c-span's washington journal sunday
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