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words and facts are grounded in storytelling and history. >> watch the live coverage of the los angeles times festival, all because april 22 23rd on book tv on c-span2. recentssion on the arrest at the mexico border from washington journal. this is 35 minutes. randy, theus now is director of resource and u.s. programs at the migration policy. the sharp drop in border apprehensions at the u.s.-mexico border. less than 17,000 in march, the lowest since 2000. the effects so far of the trump demonstration policy. thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you for having me on. >> before we begin our
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discussion about immigration, a note in today's headlines out of egypt. a second blast has hit a church in egypt today. this is from bbc news, two christians onng palm sunday targeted 36 people. an explosion outside of the church killed 11 people. church had aoptic mass inside but was unhurt. an earlier lasted st. george killed 25 people. turning to immigration policy, we are talking about the mexican border and what is happening there. talk about the decline of the u.s.-mexico border apprehensions overall. is ais it declining # consistent with what president
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trump has done or said question mark next to put these in perspective there were under 17,000 in march. that is way down by three quarters since january. usually the numbers go up. the reverse of the original -- the usual pattern. to put that in perspective, last year there were twice as many. 34,000. there were about 10 times as in 2006.,000 or so, a very different picture from what it we have seen before. there are basically two things going on. is unauthorized migration from mexico. peoplenant among the apprehended by the board of control over the long run is way down. a continuation from the obama administration. the thing around 2014, large
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numbers of people coming from central america, especially women and children. we have not seen them in large numbers before. starting in 2014 there were more people apprehensions -- apprehended from mexico. that has come to an end temporarily. apprehensionime, remains low. >> lipstick take a look at what homeland security wednesday. one secretary kelly explained why the u.s. and u.s.-mexican border was diminishing. they talk about the president's executive orders. >> securing the nation borders is the primary responsibility of any sovereign nation. this is nonnegotiable and sacred. for decorating the federal government in spite of passing one law after another to do just that has not lived up to its promise to the american people. president trump in the early days of his administration
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issued executive orders to focus interest on this very entry -- issue. various executive orders have been put out there. some effectively, some not so effectively. worth adhering to wants the court has finished with their rulings. what happened in the last 90 days or so, we have seen an absolutely amazing drop in the number of migrants coming out of antral america taking terribly dangerous route from central america into the united states. in particular we have seen a dramatic reduction in the number of families and children in the pipeline. it will not last. it will not last unless we do something to secure the border. >> was your reaction? rex he is absolutely right. if you look at it on a monthly basis, this is probably the
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lowest level of apprehensions since 1970. said earlier a continuation of a downward trend we saw during the obama administration. the total number of apprehensions was already more than half by 2016. it is also important that this might not last. definitely a very positive change in the short term. things that are pushing people to leave central america, the difficult situations have not changed. unless those change there will continue to be migration pressures. i think there needs to the accommodation of good strategies and something to address the root causes of migration in the region. director of research for u.s. programs at the migration policy institute. we're talking about the drop in apprehensions of the u.s.-mexican border and president trump's immigration
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policies. republicans (202) 737-0001 (202) 737-0002 democrats(202) 737-0002 if you are in the country illegally, -- >> we're talking about who is crossing the border. we have numbers here from the u.s. border control about apprehensions of non-mexicans and how that has gone down significantly since 2000. there is a chart here that we have showing that it was over 1.6 million in 2000. it has gone down to below 200,000 in 2016. talk a little bit about who exactly is crossing the borders and why those numbers have changed over the years. >> the chart you referring to,
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the big group there, the mexican apprehensions. they have gone way down and the reason for that has been development in mexico. mexico has a much lower birthrate than it did. a stronger economy, more jobs in manufacturing. systemstronger education that keeps people there. that is the long-term trend. last three or four years you saw the numbers from central america increased quite rapidly. two of the highest murder rates in the world. very dangerous countries. you really have a company of four economist driving people to leave those countries. james from washington, d.c. on the independent line. >> thank you c-span.
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you are a real addition to the media out there. we have to do something about immigration. i live in a liberal city, washington. illegal immigration is out of control. we have a rising world population. we simply cannot only afford to take in so many people from the rest of the world. we have got -- the system is broken. it needs to be rebuilt. we need to stop illegal immigration, period. >> i agree that the system is broken. 1965 when our current immigration system was created. once, 1990,weaked over 25 years ago. a lot of consensus on all sides that the total immigration system needs an overhaul. the problem is getting people to agree on what that overhaul should be. stopping all illegal immigration, i think we are getting pretty close.
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if you look at these numbers, we to less than a 10th of illegal immigration across the board. it really is not possible to get it all the way to zero. in any kind of law enforcement situation, anybody who works in law enforcement will tell you that the goal is to create a safe environment where the possibility of harm is very very low. to zero is get it very, very difficult in any kind of law enforcement situation. the president has proposed a number of things on immigration policy, the centerpiece is building a wall on the u.s.-mexican border. in today's new york times, and editorial poses a number of questions for the president with respect to that. along you build a wall the 1200 miles of the rio grande? the texas stretch of the border?
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do you put it on our side custome -- side? in the middle of the river? a zigzag? what do you do about a treaty requiring that both countries have open access to the river? have you make a concrete wall see-through? how do you get private land owners to get along? what about the indians whose reservation straddles the border? other questions about how to keep people from tunneling, using drones, catapults. talk about the issues .
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will not last. u.s. territory, i love these private land. a lot of private land owners across the border area in the state of texas. that is half the distance across the border. many numbers of congress are against the wall and i believe is because it will require taking people's private land to build it. that is texas. he did further west you have a lot of mountain ranges. in some cases you actually have cliffs that are maybe several hundred to a thousand feet high. why would you need to build a wall? could you even do it logistically? that involves very intensive negotiations. a tricky proposition. the u.s. and
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mexico are very remote. very far away from not just any population center but any road. there is not every a lot, there has never been a lot of traffic across those areas of unauthorized migration. that's a matter of what is the cost effectiveness. , are are walls near cities lot of traffic already. are you going to devote resources to go into the very remote areas, not only less effective, but far more expensive to get your materials and your people there. >> given the numbers are in decline, does the border wall accents? you have to bear in mind that probably now half or more than half of the unauthorized population are coming here on a visa and overstaying it. at best building the wall will
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solve half the problem. i think people need to do that in mind. >> from michigan on the independent line. five. >> how are you doing today? >> i am good. you are on with randy. >> question. border control is along certain paths of coming down from deeper than mexico and could also come by boat through the gulf of mexico. louisiana, no customs, no nothing. open entrance. you cannot keep depending on the same roads. we build roads in this country to get from one place to another and people choose to take them when they see that they are getting nailed in one area. .hey use something else has the government doesn't lazy over the years question mark -- ywara? and now to hold truck comes in,
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and he says there are better ways of doing things. why don't we get going? catch up with the times. you have all of his opposition going on and we agree to disagree. when is this going to stop? you finally go forward and do something that is positive instead of working on we agree to disagree. >> there are two points to be made. the first part about the greek you disagree, i think we need to move forward. we need to get together in congress and deal with this and what our policy should be. the best way to solve it is to get everybody to agree on some action. congress is the body that sets the immigration policy. in four sets --
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congress is supposed to set it. if we move forward, that is what we need. the second part of the question about the maritime, it is true. people can always go around and come in by boat. we need a strong coast guard. we definitely have not had a large number of people trying to come across in that way. that could happen. that is why building the ball cannot be the only solution. >> congress being the body that describes -- immigration policy. a new york times piece about a full border war with mexico being unlikely. speaker paul ryan said congress will probably not grant the ministration requests for additional money this year. it will most likely be included in the next fiscal year appropriation. ron johnson, senator of homeland security hamas says he sees the border wall as metaphoric.
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what do you expect out of congress given these signals question mark >> two questions. secretary kelly was very good in his testimony. from the inside. if you talk to people in the department of homeland security they need a virtual wall. places,al wall in some urban areas, they need ways to define people. aerial surveillance, they need the proper level of staffing. the second part of the question, do we have the resources question mark there are a lot of competing resources in congress. a big tax cut? that will cost money. maintain health care? that costs money. if a structure across the united states question mark that will
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cost a lot of money. how effective cost wise is a wall? that is what congress is going to have to say. >> i hear the left and president reagan, excuse me, president trump saying immigration within our borders -- it might break up the families of these illegal immigrants. every day is country we sent thousands of people to prison and that breaks of their families. why are these people so special? ananybody who is unauthorized immigrant who commits a crime is subject to the same punishment. he may wind up going to prison for the same crimes every day and then they get deported as well. i think the system that we have
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in place now, about 10 years where every single person, anyone in the country has their finger prints checks for immigration status and flags to be deported if they are unauthorized. that has been working pretty well. the only question is, between the two different administrations should just the people who have committed the most serious crimes be deported after mark should anybody arrested for any reason be deported question mark that is big difference. most serious crimes be deported? should anybody arrested for any reason be deported? that is the difference. deportationn formal from 2000-2016, an increase in's with a high in 2013 formal deportations.
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do you expect those same levels with the trumpet ministration? >> it shows the total deportations. have on average, recent years directly of the order. inside the united states, we weren't reporting 200-250,000 people, the most of which have committed crimes. through 70,000 it has dropped in the because the obama- administration had focused on people who committed felonies. they weren't deporting people for all crimes. the trump administration reversed those priorities and put it back to the way it was at the beginning of the obama
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administration, when we had those record numbers. one would expect that we would quickly return to those numbers. the question is will the department of homeland security push that further? will they arrest people who haven't committed crimes? we haven't seen that in large numbers. but we could. howink it will depend on many officers they can hire and how much detention space they can buy. >> marcia is on our democratic line. go ahead. thing to just have one say. size of montana with a population twice the size of california.
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unfortunately we only took in 40 thousand people in a two-year period where germany took in one million. this doesn't have anything to do with canadians coming across the border or the asians coming and working silicon valley. this has to do with racism and islamophobia and syrians and mexicans and people that somehow or other our population finds undesirable. that is my statement. >> we haven't talked about the refugees yet. it is true before two years ago we were taken 50,000 refugees per year through a resettlement. 70,000 per year was the highest number of refugees of any country in the world. the united states has taken and more refugees through official channels. the big flow of one million people to germany and more than one million people to europe is on a totally different scale.
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those are predetermined prescreened refugees. those are people who showed up to asylum. it's easy for people to get there. the u.s. doesn't feel that pressure. the u.s. was asked to do more. even though 70,000 was relatively generous for an official refugee program, the comparison to them million plus , the obamao europe administration plans to raise at this year. the trump administration came in and lowered it to 2000. that sends a signal that the united states it's turning its back on the refugee crisis. we are using chemical gas against people that is not acceptable. what about acknowledging the victims of that attack and other
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government attacks and isis attacks in syria deserve -- in the united states. >> we are talking with the director of research of u.s. programs at the migration policy institute about the president immigration policies. they'll is calling on our republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. the cost of a physical wall may be hike, but when you look at it over a hot thing of time the cost would go down. i think few people would talk about how expensive the great wall of china is, but it has ton a physical barrier enforce our borders and will go down as the cost increased over time. of people coming in our skilled labor and america just doesn't have those jobs anymore.
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i would like to get his opinion on it, one method is being able to create a will for the other -- keepother countries people from other countries from entering the u.s.. we pay for health care and other services. this can be taken from other money that we give them. or put them on as a tariff. is a lot of talk about having mexico pay for the wall. there are other talks about tax admittance is. do ultimately is try to get these countries more economically sound. reason we have some and if you are people trying to cross the the mexicancause economy is in much better shape.
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mexico,extra taxes on we work against the mexican economy which is in our post -- which is in our best interest. we need to find a way to support those countries. people talk about cutting foreign assistance. we have something called the alliance for posterity, the money from three countries in america and from international institutions. to build infrastructure and create jobs to keep people from coming to the united states in the first place. that that would go the furthest way toward reducing these migration pressures. certainly the number of jobs in is the climbing and there is certainly competition from immigrants for those jobs.
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ultimately getting back to the big question, what is the way we need to find a way to regulate migration that is balanced for the economy. that is going to mean tightening up our immigration. -- long run,ne what is current help us the most is people who have jobs and trying to stay there. >> on the issue of deportations as president trump said he wants to focus on moving criminals as president obama did. trump -- for releasing thousands of criminals who we set might have been deported had the united states imposed sanctions on their uncooperative homeland. -- including whether to
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jeopardize national security and economic interests so that nations adjust china will accept all chinese citizens that the u.s. reports. it is very difficult when you have countries that typically will not take those individuals back. a lawyer during the obama administration acting as -- talk about this problem of deporting criminals. countries, the ones that won't take these back, that has been a long-standing issue. you have to keep people in detention for years, which is inhumane and expensive. that means releasing criminals back to the u.s.. it's been a problem with china. one way you can do that is not letting people
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from those countries come to the united states at all. obviously when it comes to china, a country with the largest population in the world and very strong economic relationship between us and that country, it's going to be hard. you have to weigh the issue of the recalcitrance on deportees against all of our economic picture. the foreign policy side is complicated. the larger issue of detaining criminals is also complicated in which some parts of the cities and states that don't cooperate fully with immigration enforcement, that is the state of california. other cities have long-standing policies of not cooperating. sometimes it seems like they take it too far. someone with ao
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violent history went on to murder someone. there was widespread agreement that was probably not such a great idea and caused a great big backlash. you have to ask you put all the people who murder people in the same bucket with people who have just a traffic violation or shoplifting charge, which the current policy does, i think there is probably middle ground there. >> good morning. caller: good morning, thank you so much for taking my call. usuallyissue is focusing on the immigration part coming across the borders. there is an extremely large number of immigrants that overstay. they simply marry american citizens to acquire a green card
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and get divorced two years later. there are millions of people doing that but they don't do studies about how they are going to control that. is my main concern, that they never do studies. host: talk about overstating the study -- overstating the visas. wall and you build the completely stop migration across the border from mexico, that is only half the problem. the big problem is somebody overstaying -- we can't measure them. in a lot of countries when you go into a country and fill out a form, you leave the country and fill out a form. we don't do that in the united states, we don't have a good system for tracking people. we're just developing it. process, there is no exit control.
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a really expensive proposition and difficult technologically to do that. congress mandated and overstay system more than a decade ago. and homeland security has been working on it. very difficult to know how many people are overstaying. the final problem is the border overstays are a bigger problem. through the ports of entry, the land ports every day. we have no way of counting how many people will return. that is another extremely expensive technological thing to do. we could start to get a handle on this problem, which is probably the biggest problem we have with immigration right now. host: the president's travel ban is under review right now, making its way through the next circuit.
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what is the impact of that plan? guest: i put myself in jeopardy if i predict what the supreme court might do. there are some things in that executive order where the president has some clear authority. i think as far setting the level of refugees as we discussed, from 110,000 to 50,000 annually, that is something all presidents do. temporary suspension of all immigration is new. that hasn't been done in a long time. i think because of the things that were said during and after the campaign by some of the president's surrogates and the muslim ban put them in a bad situation. gone have a are problem with suspension from certain muslim countries.
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it is hard to see which way the supreme court will rule on that. host: from texas on our independent line. i am so glad you are here today. i have been hearing on the tv news that obama was weak on immigration and that terrorists were coming here over the border. on herelad you are today because i am so sick of hearing it. law that enforced the was already there before. i can't understand how people believe mexico is going to pay for this wall. how much taxes to you think those people pay them? they are going to build a wall, that is crazy.
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>> thank you for the comments. i think a lot of it is short memory because there was a lot of outcry over the fact that the had risen to record levels. it is true president obama carved out certain groups of unauthorized immigrants without the approval of congress. that is protecting 750,000 people. it andu try to expand protect them from immigration enforcement. people thet gave impression that he was caving. trying to balance it between a tough border andrcement approach protecting certain groups of people. host: director of research for migrationams at the
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