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it's factually correct to say russians have been focused on isil to begin with. certainly in their first intervention which began about a year ago and ended more or less in march-ish of 2016 they were, in fact, more or less targeting the opponents of the regime who are not isil. it's not even clear. it seems they bought into the strategy, russians did, of being able to say it's me or isil by allowing isil to sort of survive. the other point the doctor got absolutely right is on the question of engagement and the false dichotomy that has been created by the administration in terms of engaging in iraq, you either send in 150,000 troops or you do nothing. this was the response in zero
and the administration's response what to do in syria and she's exactly right that by failing to calculate the cost of inaction we have far, seems to me, exacerbated the problem in syria. you have a similar calculus to make in iraq. what vladimir putin -- exactly what his strategy is is another story, today is another story. today first intervention in syria, september, october 2015 that more or lesseneded march 2016, what vladimir putin proved in that intervention at least is that it's possible for a foreign power to intervene with a limited strategic purpose to achieve that limited purpose at relatively low cost and to press the off button. the limited purpose, it seems to me, in that first intervention
was to sure assad did not fall. he achieved that with virtually no significant losses in it, relatively minimal expense. again, you're far more experienced on military matters than i. that's a lesson i would have wished that those who always say, well, do you want 150,000 troops or remember vietnam in the u.s. administration i wish those people had learned that lesson a year ago. >> just to build on your point, there are others who say the use of military force is inherently counter-productive and also refutes that argument as well, i think you'd agree. mike, i wonder if i could turn, we've got a few minutes left. everybody here flagged concern about iran in one way or another. i recently had a conversation with a very senior former military commander in iraq and discussed with him the role of
iran in iraq. i posited the possibility that iran does not really want a unified iraq. it actually might be quite comfortable with a fragmented iraq and certainly an iraq in which the sunni areas are no longer really part of the political system. he, referencing other experts, dismissed this possibility out of hand. it came back to me, one of the comments that the ambassador just made, about iranian interests. i wonder if you can discuss this. do you agree a fragmented weak iraq or assume they ultimately want to see a unified iraq. at least on that narrow area we have a shared interest.
>> going back to 2013, i argued iran needs the threat of isis to stay in iraq. it needs the threat of isis to stay in syria back to your point, the force is able to mobilize iraqi shia militias to go to syria. they didn't go to raqqah, they want to aleppo, other places, places that is would shore up assad regime, go after u.s.backed rebels. they were comfortable working with the air force already and some leader have actually asked russia be involved in the iraqi situations. iran wants to maintain leverage. one thing that kept al maliki was threat.
nice to say, keep me in power or they will come back. i don't believe that iran wants isis defeated in iraq, but i also believe it is balancing the political parties as they seek positions. if you just look at the motives, it's been to take over places, sunni triangle, birth place of saddam hussein, take over these places, punish fallujah to protect shia fault line and allow everything else to just be pointed that way. that's where the enemy is. >> to build up the militias, which they have influence over on the ground as opposed to unified iraqi military. >> they have influence in iraqi military as well. federal police, ministry of
interior, they just wear uniforms. these militia, part of the hashd al-shaabi will brag i can wear the uniform of any military force on any given day. in many cases they have salaries from iraqi military and militias. at the end of the day will break towards influence to nfrl shia political parties beholden now to tehran. >> mr. ambassador, do you agree with that assessment? >> i do. look, i collect maps. and my oldest map, i think, is from the 16th century. i collect maps of the middle east. actually from iraq. my oldest from the 16th century. they got a little more expensive the further back you go. i only have one from the 16th century. over the centuries you can see baghdad in one map will be part of the ottoman empire, next
iranian then flips back. countries may change -- regimes, governments come and go and regime's interest remain the same. iraq is the battleground between great powers. it has been for centuries. with all respect to your senior former american commander, he ought to look at maps a little older than the ones the pentagon publishes today. these things have been going on in iraq for centuries. they will continue to do so, which goes back to my quoting robert frost about strong fences. >> dr. eunice, do you want to address that or have anything else to say before i hand it over to the audience? >> i note a little caution about iranian intentions in iraq. i think that controlled chaos is maybe pretty beneficial.
a situation where there's some uncertainty, a range of actors that all have a relationship with iran where you can kind of control outcomes is really beneficial for iranian government. actual disintegration of iraq is not at all in the iranian interest. independence of kurdistan has been red line for the iranian government not least because this year we've seen a resurgence in the fighting in territories, taking up arms again, iranian suffering from their own separatist groups in their own kurdish region. the idea of having some separate sunni region in iraq that's supported by -- could be supported by saudi, see it as kind of talibanesque, that's not at all something iran is interested in seeing. >> but do you agree that pre2014
status quo of bombs going off in baghdad and creating uncertainty and some degree of chaos but not the threat of the total collapse of the state is in iranian interest? >> it's interesting because i think 2013, i think the iranians would see as kind of the perfect state of iraq. but of course, you cannot have 2013 -- >> sorry, for our viewers at home, could you -- >> 2013 you had a very strong maliki government pretty shia dominated with marginalized kurdistan and marginalized sunni population. and in incredible iranian influence over the iraqi government. the problem is the iranians might think of that as their ideal but you cannot have that without inevitable breakdown. can't have 2013 without 2014. i don't know if they have
learned that lesson. >> not clear the iraq political class learned either. >> that's fascinating. ok. with that, let's open it up to questions from our audience. the gentleman in the sport coat there with his hand up. stand up and wait for our intern. >> thank you. i'm an adviser to apec. my question is to follow up on what has been said on iranian influence not only for shiite militias, media, but government itsself. i understand there's been a very serious infiltration of iranian agents into various government agencies and security forces, intelligence. can you elaborate a bit more about what's going on? that's, i think, really threatening to iraq's future. >> and your question is to all of our panelists? >> yes. >> mike, why don't we start with you. >> my role in iraq, i was there
from '05 to '10 in some capacity was to look at the intelligence services, specifically iranian influence within those. the sunni -- the inis is what it was called at the time, basically former baathist intel service set up by the agency. it was very effective not only going after al qaeda but militias. the shia political party in iran msnsa led by an iranian proxy. it was set up to mirror that organization. once we took the hands off in 2010 after maliki won the election, ins went away and they replaced it. you had former intel guys , baathists, because they had
to be baathists to get a job at the time. these sbblg officers went to ground in some cases, left the country, in some cases may have even joined isis in the beginning stages when it was a rejection of what was happening. my biggest concern was i literally saw units flip in 2005, sixth and ninth iraqi divisions had a healthy balance of 55% shia, 45% sunni where you didn't have to keep track of the numbers. it was an iraqi unit able to do things in baghdad. within a year when general dempsey took over, in charge of the process, reintegration of shia militias, both of those divisions went to 95% or greater shia with heavy militia infiltration. the one thing i will say about security forces and intelligence services, only participating in the isis population are peshmerga units. there used to be kurdish divisions, battalions, iraqi
army units, that has gone away. there used to be sunni battalions, brigades, sunni divisions. that has gone away as well. now we have a hollow force of 150,000 iraqi military, predominantly shia and hashd al-shaabi. you have peshmerga outside of the ministry of defense, but still listens to it doing these operations. so the intelligence services if you want a good target you go to kurdish intel services. if you want a good target against isis go to some of the shia intelligence services but you're likely to get sunni military, the whole neighborhood is isis, let's destroy that. that's what we've seen in ramadi and other places. very concerned about that, not only the change in the structure of the security forces but also the intelligence services. more importantly the shia
political party influence that kept that in place. >> mr. ambassador, any thoughts? >> one real quick thing. prime minister abadi inherited security apparatus. it's still in place. it's the same one. it didn't go away when maliki went away. palqui obvious photographed with a radio talking to these very forces, moving them around trying to discredit prime minister abadi. >> so can we say maliki did not go away and that he has tied a badi's hands. >> he has the luxury of in the being accountable for any of the chaos yet controlling a lot of it. >> would you say he's as influential as abadi, more influential. >> more influential. abadi is maliki circa 2005. maliki was a compromised weak candidate. prime minister abadi is him. >> mr. ambassador, do you agree with that assessment? >> no.
the prime minister is weak. he is weak. it is true. i think in distinction with al maliki, al abadi has his heart in the right place. he came in as a compromised candidate when the united states was pushing for other individuals who were unacceptable to parties outside the shia alliance, including kurds and allawi, so it settled on prime minister abadi. this is a real problem. what maliki did when he first took over was to -- sort of expel from the secretary-generalship of the
party. abadi should have done something like that to maliki with respect to the state of law and he didn't. that was a political mistake. a lot of kerfuffle going on, the beginning at least engineered by maliki. it's a real problem. i think it's part of the iranian game again to keep the state of iraq weak. to keep the politics of the state of iraq weak. this is fundamentally,ic, i'm going to go broader than your question. this is fundamentally the question we have to ask. what we don't know is what are people fighting for? there are certainly rank and file -- the the rank and file of the popular mobilization units and iraqi army, iraqi security forces as said are clearly fighting for iraq.
they are not fighting for a united iraq. they are fighting to protect political turf. they are fighting to protect baghdad and points south but not the unity of iraq. we have squandered, the united states have squandered, iraquis have squandered the last 2 1/2 years by focusing so exclusively on the military aspect of this and ignoring wholly the political aspect. the military is a necessary but not sufficient element without getting the political aspect right, the political environment right. we'll be back in this situation in two years and three years and five years. >> would you like to weigh in? >> i just said on the iranian point, i think it's less helpful to think of this in terms of iranian infiltration as thinking about iranian utility. part of the reason why iran gets to be so influential is because they offer things to iraqi
politicians and military access that are useful. money. they really are helpful in gathering the votes together and helping to influence other actors and helping to build an alliance so you can get whatever your project is through the iraqi parliament. they are very influential actors in iraq but they are willing to get down and dirty and engage with iraqi politics on the level of individual politicians. figuring out what they want. they like doing some great congressional lobbying. it's not that nefarious. there are nefarious aspects to it. we can compete. we choose not to. there are people who will happily take u.s. help instead in building an alliance to pass something through the iraqi parliament that we think is actually in the better interest of stability in iraq.
>> yes, sir? >> i really joined the discussion, from the international stability operation bringing it back a little bit to the u.s. election. one of the candidates, donald trump, has specifically said that he would take the oil, if the u.s. is involved. how much play has this received in iraq that you actually have a candidate that says if we're going to be involved we take the oil? >> dr. yoonis, do you want to start? >> i think that's what iraqis have always thought they were doing. that's a bit of a problem when pr is so bad they can't differentiate between some outlandish idea and often constructive policy of actually being. that's on us for not making it very clear what we've been doing there.
>> you mentioned in your comments iranian narrative about us is the one that dominates in iraq? i wonder if you would give details how the iranians depict us? >> an iranian narrative of what the u.s. is doing in iraq is building its -- building its empire in the middle east to it can dominate and extract resources and to maintain american imperial domination over the world and that iran is the leader of the resistance axis that seeks to resist american hedge money. oil domination has always been a part of that narrative. ordinary iraqis, oil rich cities, then don't see investment in their schools and health services and see sewage on the streets. they are not seeing that money. it's going somewhere. they don't know where. it happens to be going into the pockets of corrupt iraqi
politicians, not coming to the u.s. but for ordinary citizens they don't know the difference. >> public discourse often a bit more subtle than it is in the united states. i suppose an iraqi reaction could be, well, we knew that but it really shouldn't be said in public. >> i'll get you on the next time around. sorry. >> thank you. i'm wondering what should u.s. policy be? specifically should that include
nation building, seemed to implied by speakers. if it does imply troops, the immunity question. finally, which of the candidates is more likely to implement such a policy? >> mr. ambassador, do you want to take a shot at that? >> it does involve state building. here i will invoke famously what reputedly was put at the colin powell pottery barn rule, the united states dismantled state of iraq when it was wholly unnecessary to do so in 2003. it was an idiotic decision, singularly the worst decision made in iraq at least. it does involve that. so i think that that's a part and parcel. look, a place the united states refused to engage in state building when it seemed the mission was quote, unquote, accomplished was in afghanistan when the russians finally with drew.
how did that work out for us? here we are in the heart of the middle east, in an oil rich state, which if i'm right, if it continues down the path it has been on, if it breaks up, it will break up into, as i think i said, another somalia, except this will be a somalia where some of the factions at least will sell oil, smuggled on the market, some are doing anyway. there is a united states interest. as to which candidate, i can't really answer that question, because i haven't heard either candidate address -- we have had a dispute between the two candidates as to what their thoughts and views were in 2003 and whether they were right or wrong in 2003, but i have not heard what they would do in iraq. there's been minimal discussion about syria but none that i'm aware of on iraq. i can't address that part of it. >> mike, do you have some thoughts? >> the most important part is a
commitment to stay not as a military force but a force that continues to put leverage and pressure on baghdad, engage and do the right thing. it doesn't -- we have a very patient enemy and there are very patient actors in the middle east. they don't operate on western clocks. you tell the taliban you're leaving in five years, the taliban says the day after they leave we'll attack. same with al qaeda and isis, patient actors in the middle east. the best way for us to do anything, if we're going to send soldiers there and spend money there is not to say we're going to leave until something is accomplished. when i say that, trust is built to the point where u.s. leverage is continuous. it's not fleeting. >> a very dear friend of mine is a retired american general who always says on this question with his kids, he never had an exit strategy.
he had a long-term engagement strategy, which moderated as they got older. i think the analogy works pretty well in iraq. you can't treat iraq as you did in 2003 and certainly not with what you could have done but didn't when there were 150,000 troops, american troops there. but simply kicking them out the door and saying, well, i hope you don't starve in the streets hasn't worked terribly well. >> dr. younis. >> i would make the point we're engaged with an international coalition, doing heavy lifting, making significant contribution. once mosul is liberated it is not about the u.s. pouring
in resources. it is about using the weight of the international community and the coalition they have built up to support the goal of defeating isis. those actors to remain on board for the task of stabilizing the country. >> yeah. i'm here at hudson, senior fellow. i would like to ask the ambassador if he could expand a bit on what he sees as the actual way of going about the state building project. you've mentioned that the current constitution and current government is certainly weak and seems to be somewhat hanging on by its fingernails. one possible way of looking at the iraqi's fate in the future would be going down the regionalization route and say, ok, there will be a sunni region, as some sunnis were interested before. maybe even more than one region
in the shia area so basra has a greater sense of its ability to controlity own future and so forth. that would be one way of trying to rebuild the iraqi state. i get the impression it's not your preferred way. i wonder, do you have any other way of looking at the question how to rebuild the iraqi state and what that would begin to look like. who are the people this would rest on? >> what you're talking about, the arrangement in iraq, which i think may be gaining some traction. unfortunately i will say in iraq, let me purpose my remarks by saying that i understand that the kurdistan region of iraq, to the extent it remains in iraq, occupies a special status i'm
not advocating the reintroduction of sort of the centralized state with respect to the krg. that's an important point to keep in mind. having said that, we have been in a phase, if i may use an analogy to american history, in the articles of confederation phase where a government in baghdad has been created, which is fundamentally devoid of all powers. it may -- it didn't work 250 years ago in a continent separated by two oceans from meddling neighbors. it is not working in the middle east in a country surrounded by
hostile authorities -- powers, sorry. powers. i would say to the kurdish leadership, the greatest threat -- again, please keep in mind the prefatory remarks i made about the krg, i would say to kurdish leadership the greatest threat that the kurds faced since 1991, but in any event since 2003 was not from baghdad but from isil, which arose because of a weak state, weak at every level, including level of politic and political environment i've spoken about.
a baghdad that's too strong as was the case for too long under the rule and perhaps before i understand is unacceptable to many players in iraq. but a baghdad that's too weak has resulted in 2014, and we're still dealing with that and potentially could be dealing for years with the consequences. there has to be an intermediate point. so a stronger -- we need a constitutional arrangement that creates a more cohesive state. and that builds state institutions. we have not only not built the physical infrastructure of the country since 2003, i'm talking about the part of baghdad -- part of iraq controlled by baghdad, i'm not talking about krg, before isil and before the crash of oil prices, seen myself.
in the area south of krg, we've not built school, hospital since 2003. in addition as a state we have not built a single state institution over that period of time. so i think you have to create a stronger -- not a centralized government but a federal government that actually has powers, actually can act as a focus of cohesion and unity of the state. >> we're already over time. for those of you that have questions, i'm sorry, you'll have to wait until next time. i'm sure some of our panelists will answer you after we conclude here. please join me for thanking the panelists. it was very engaging. [applause]
>> on the ballot on california on tuesday, issues from school funding to the death penalty. even a question on condoms required for porn stars. s on the phone is a bureau chief. 17 questions on the ballot. how long will it take for voters to cast of their vote? longer than it has recently. california has had long ballot but not a statewide ballot this long been 16 years.
we have a lot of new voters who will be surprised. some already voting by mail. it is a long ballot. it covers a number of issues. taxation, crime and punishment. environmental issues. directem to like this democracy project. who knows. if you could, highlight those getting the most attention in california. >> at the top would be proposition 64. the effort to legalize marijuana. we know colorado and washington state are in front of california. california rejected this in 2010. criticized asso,
not being well thought out. not having institutional support. this is different. not only is it more well thought out, it is a 17,000 word proposal. newsom supports it. the cofounder of facebook. shows like it is going to pass it. of taxre a couple measures. an increase in the tobacco ta x. prison.e to reform championed by jerry brown. >> let's focus on a number of others. dealing with english proficiency.
that goes back to what california did in the late 1990's. california voters said they wanted to end bilingual education. it needed to be english only. this will be a full undoing. the polling shows it is popular. california has changed the city. more nuanced than it used to be. proposition 62. what will voters decide? --whether or not to make all that would include the 700 people in death row.
there has not been an execution in 10 years. would repeal the death penalty. polling shows it may not pass. this is a harder sell for them. voters rejected this four years ago. right, thatng is may happen again. >> a proposition that would ban plastic tags, what is the issue? >> these are single use plastic bags. in waterways and other areas. a lot of cities already have their own bands. this would extend that to the entire state. some communities feel the difference. the is a different part of
direct democracy process. we have a narrow definition of a referendum. this was the industry attempting to overturn it. thisg voters, you support law or want to reject it? it looks like voters want to extend it. >> let me focus on two more. this gets into the weeds. i wonder if voters fully understand what they need to decide and why they should decide this issue. >> let me add to that second part. in california, we have a healthy tradition of activists. list, aook at this number of these proposals never came to the state legislature. youong as you have money,
can get it on the ballot. that is what happened. owner.lthy business who once voters to approve more bond sales. these are bonds paid back by user fees. arcane topic for voters. they like to say they want a voice in things. this would require them to approve large revenue bonds. this gets practical in what it might mean. it might mean the voters would have to approve financing for the high-speed rail project. it might mean voters would have to approve the construction of water project that lose water from northern california to southern california. that is a big deal. those could be the practical impacts of prop 53. does that also explain
proposition 60? in the sense, this was not a proposal. the legislature heard. voters said, why can't the legislature solve this? if someone wanted the issue to be dealt with. prop 60, requires the use of condoms in the filming of adult movies. penalties for movie producers who do not follow those rules. this is spearheaded by an activist group in los angeles, los angeles area. whether voters think they need to wait in, they will find out counted.lots are it has gotten attention because it is unusual. it is a narrow topic on a long list of 17 proposals. additionalies have questions which means it will take more time for those voters
to cast in their ballots. >> in san francisco, you have an additional two dozen local ballot measures. the great question for political campaigns and scientists is, what do voters do when they are faced with that? do they get exhausted? who know everything? there is one theory, voters go angrier and angrier. it is difficult for campaigns to get attention. the oxygen has been sucked out of this political campaign by the political campaign. we know who is going to win california for the presidential campaign. i think, come tuesday night, with this long list, it is going to be tough. >> it is going to be quite a day. john myers is the bureau chief
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you may not believe me, but there are only four days ago. this anxietyy from inducing election. holy cow. what a year it has in. i am glad you could join us. nice look at the show. if you want to watch, c-span two is simulcasting. they keep us up. i have chatter with the viewers on commercial breaks. maybe you don't find it need. you can watch the show. as hopefully you have listened to it over the years.
there is an extraordinary enjoys. donald trump -- besides the presidential race, important senate races. house races. a state thecourse watches.te rubio was elected senator. running for reelection in the state of florida. we are pleased to welcome senator rubio. am doing well.i >> are you in a good mood? go to a beach? >> yeah. what you are talking about in the lead in.
knowing theion of last four days of the campaign are here. another fbi investigation. the guy i am running against. from aa prominent donor wealthy saudi arabian family. giving him $400,000 over the years. it is unreal, at least in the state of florida. democratic nominee, having people under fbi investigation. wouldn't want to be them. mike: i would rather be where you are sitting. it fascinates me how democrats continually circle the wagon despite the evidence of things that could be bad news.
your race is a good example. obama goes to florida. pokes fun at you. notable the way the democrats constantly protect their own. and yet we sometimes eat our own. senator rubio: democrat after , this guythey were was the greatest thing in the world. we love him. and then the news comes friday we have to be open that investigation of hillary clinton. now they have turned to the other way. he is a horrible guy. the videos are there. they are there for the world to see. the ad hoc received. when the supreme court rules
against them, in favor of something they like. they get away with it. for whatever reason. in the weight of coverage. about jamesr point comey. obama aides. valerie jarrett, the chief advisor, according to the new york post, urging obama to fire him. this stuff, it is making watergate look like a walk in the park. some of it seems so corrupt. frankly, unbelievable. senator rubio. they get away with it. they continue to do more of it. of him saying, what an incredible person james comey is.
now he is saying, he violated the act. because they get away with it. say, we can act with impunity. we made a couple of bad headlines. waysnk that in many continues desk and true writs to what we have. the good news is real voters, they see through this stuff. mike: senator rubio joining us from florida. you talked about the media coverage. i think we know the media coverage. the media doesn't seem to be inclined to cover a lot of that. what about florida? widened your lead in the polls. things seem to be going well for you. how have you been treated? maybe compared to the way trump
has been treated? rubio: by and large, the biggest bias, they like scandal and outrage. campaignr donor to my was under fbi investigation, i believe every major newspaper would be under investigation. and large not receiving nearly as much attention as i receive.t would you can chalk it up to whatever. we do with it. it is a close race. , larry reidpeople has spent a million dollars. i need all the help i can get.
i encourage people to go to my website and give whatever you can. we can't get outspent in the last few days. mike: anticipating your victory, we don't take that for granted. you got to fight and vote for senator rubio. can you talk about what the senate look's like working with potentially, president donald trump. unlike anybody who has ever run for president. to be in uncharted waters. positiveoptimistic, about what congress will be like working with the president donald trump. clearlyrubio: this is an unorthodox candidacy. we do have disagreements. at the end of the day, my obligation as to the constitution and state of florida. i'm going to stand for those things go better who is
president. if they nominate someone who adhere to standards, i will stand up to them. if she is elected, it is going to be a constant fight. andframers were geniuses may divided powers in government. i believe it is time congress reasserts itself. in both the budget process, lawmaking. under both parties. the president has become more powerful than it was ever intended to be. thelieve it works best when president keeps everyone in line. need to have a strong senate. i can assure you, if hillary clinton wins, every issue.
she is going to move further to the left. mike: a nightmare. i don't even want to think about what this country will be like. i have great admiration for you. trump when that you hard. there is no question. there is no question. one of the reasons for the uncomfortableness with a donald trump, some the things he said in your direction and it have to be difficult to say i'm going to put that in the past adequate to support the republican nominee for president because we can't let hillary clinton get into the white house. i think i speak for millions and millions of americans and plenty of floridians when i say kudos to you for being able to do that. because again it couldn't have been easy. senator rubio: the election is not about me. it's not about what's best for me. it's about a choice and we have a choice. i do disagree with donald on many things but i disagree with hillary on everything and that's
the choice in florida. i made it and i lived up to a commitment i made. bottom line is it was never about me. in the end this is always about america, whether it was me or someone else. what the country to move in the right direction after eight years of moving in the wrong direction. it really wasn't, in terms of that regard, i never felt this is about me and my personal feelings how things played out. i think god's plan is perfect and it was his plans i'm not going. that means he has other things planned for my life, whether in or out of politics. mike: i have a hunch we will be hearing about marco rubio for many, many years to come. i very much appreciate you taking time here on the friday before the election. keep fighting the good fight. senator rubio: thank you and i ask everyone to go to my website and please help. mike: thank you, senator.
senator marco rubio joining us here on the mike gallagher show. 800-655-mike. fascinating way he has of putting that. i disagree with donald trump on a number of things. i disagree with hillary clinton on everything. traverse, -- trumpers, are you paying attention? that, if hugh hewitt can do it, you can do it. 800-655-mike. i don't think there's any chance. i don't think michael will budge. 800-655-mike, your phone calls coming up if you can't get to our talk lines, you can text us to the same number, 800-655-mike. four days to go. the road to the white house, we are also being simulcast on c-span two. i'm glad you could join us. ♪
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how are you doing? caller: thank you for taking my call. is it is obvious that as we learn more about hillary and pay to play, it seems there is an obvious link between what these people owe to somebody, and their allegiance to the republican nominee. people talk about what will happen after the election if we don't elect from, i think it is so obvious this stuff is going on, we have to be really careful about what we do from this point on out with who we elect, not that we didn't in the past, it is clear now that we really need to understand that once you people get up in the beltway, they are being paid off left and right. mike: the corruption is so bad
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mike: the whole year has been hard to believe, and when we see the kind of momentum your dad has -- your father right now has, i believe, a really good shot. you look at some of these key states, even cnn lays out the six ways he can win. we are looking at ohio, florida, new hampshire, incredible turnabout in virginia. there is no question that the cloud that hangs over mrs. clinton, the fbi investigation and all of the stuff that is been revealed with wikileaks, it has taken its toll and is giving your data shot at being president of the united states. eric: you have the clinton foundation, one of the great ponzi schemes of all time, the e-mails, haiti, all the other scandals over the years. also the cloud that hangs over our country. you know this better than anybody, but we have $20
trillion worth of debt. --have 95 billion people million people out of work. we have lost one in three manufacturing jobs because of nafta. inium income has not gone up the last 15 years. obamacare premiums are going up and up. arizona alone, premiums are 60%.red 60% -- 1 we are the most taxed nation in the world. i could go on and on. it is because of crooked, corrupt politicians. my father wants to make america great again, and he will do and an unbelievable job. resonating,ssage is draining the swamp.
let's face it, this scares the heck out of people who have made a career out of the an establishment type. his candidacy for many people is pretty terrifying, but for the american people who are not in the morass, who aren't in the beltway, they seem to be saying it is time to take this country in a different direction. i want to ask you if i could about the whole idea of your dad and the difference between his performance now on the campaign trail and hillary clinton, and even president obama. here is president obama yesterday flailing and attacking and going after your dad in a most epic way, she is doing the same thing. she doesn't seem to be delivering a message about why she would be a better commander-in-chief, all they are about is hammering your dad. president obama: he spent a lot
of time with celebrities, he spent a lot of time hanging out with wealthy folks, but you don't see him hanging out with ordinary folks. you are going to make this guy your champion if you are a working person? somebody who spent his life without ever showing any regard for working folks? mike: if you don't mind, i have to wonder how many people barack obama has ever had on a payroll. i do believe your dad has employed more than a few people over the course of his adult life. eric: we employ a little over 10,000 people. i find it so ironic when i hear a quote like that, that our president in his hometown of chicago has had 3000 shootings in chicago alone this year.
he is not been back once. not once to his hometown to say it is time to knock it off. to try and being -- bring peace to the city. instead, he is in martha's vineyard playing golf for days on end, flying in on our taxpayer dollars so he can play another 25 rounds of golf. it is horrible. when it louisiana was underwater and people's lives were destroyed, when coffins were floating down the street, all the images we saw on the news, he did not show up once. guess where he was. he was in martha's vineyard, playing golf, or one of these places playing golf. i find it so disturbing. we have 95 million people out of the workforce, his policy has trained manufacturing from this company. we are plus sony jobs, we are paying so much in taxes. obamacare is costing people so
much money. he has hurt the middle class more than anybody. we have what, 8 million more people on food stamps now then before he entered? an all-timeip is at low in this country and i could go on and on. more people are working 2, 3, 4 jobs just to get by. his policies have been devastating for this country, and the policy of a lot of democrats have been devastating. we need to get people back to work in win for this country, no one is working for this country anymore. mike: eric trump is with us. are you encouraged by the way hillary and president obama and even mrs. obama are hammering your dad on the campaign trail, while on the other hand, he seems to be sticking to the message and advancing his reasons for wanting to run? there is a very stark difference between the two campaigns. eric: there is a stark
difference. foundation clinton is a ponzi scheme. hillary clinton said they were dead broke, now they are worth a quarter of a billion dollars. the one good thing about wikileaks is it shows how corrupt these people really are, with questions being given to her early, it is horrible. look at them now. hillary is in pennsylvania, she is campaigning in pennsylvania, which has always been a very blue state. why is she campaigning in pennsylvania? she is worried we will take it. i think we are going to win pennsylvania. look at nevada. i think we are up six point the polls. mike: look at new hampshire. eric: look at michigan. they are sending all of their people to michigan. it has not gone red in 30 years
or something like that. we are flipping states all across the country because this is not a democrat versus republican race, this is an insider versus total outsider. hillary clinton has been a politician longer than i have been alive, and i am not like a young millennial. what do we have to show for it? what do we have to show for these career politicians. look at ohio, look at florida, from your perspective, is there a certain state that will be the key for tuesday night? eric: i think we are going to win pennsylvania, i think we're going to win michigan and nevada and new mexico. those are all states that republicans traditionally -- mike: if he gets those and he holds the lead he has everywhere else, it is game over. eric: one thing i can to you and hardaudience, you see how
my father works in the campaign trail. he has the stamina, he is incredible, the guys incredible. i called him the energizer bunny because he just doesn't stop. we need somebody working that hard for this country and somebody who cannot be bought and sold and bribed and purchase. i father cannot be. he is been incredibly successful, he needs nothing. it is really nice to have someone like that in the oval office as opposed to somebody -- is deborah thing they can who is doing everything they can to line their own pockets. it looks like they are considering prosecuting her case from all of the reports on a network. some really bad stuff is happening out there, and my father is going to drain the swamp and fix the problem and we're going to make america great again. mike: i feel really good about tuesday.
you are not without some of your battle scars on the campaign trail. you got into some hot water this week over comments about david duke. do you look back at that and say, every single word is going to get scrutinized and i have to be ready for? eric: that's right. and by the way, it is honestly great, we put ourselves out there. my father has effectively to people fighting for us, us as americans and the american people, his family and himself. mike: he is up against the world on this thing. that is what makes these poll numbers and the fact that he can win so amazing. you have the whole media machine, a billion or more dollars behind hillary, this is historic. no other way around it. eric: there is no question.
you know why he is winning this? because the american people were staunchly behind him. if you are going to be sitting there by his side, fighting with him, and i will fight for my father until i am dead, i believe in him that much, you are going to get hit. mike: i know how that feels. i been fighting for him all year, and the never trumpers would rather rollover. eric: there are some really ugly people in this business. it is very sad. there are some bad people who do bad things, and you see that was when he wakes -- with wikileaks. you have some bad people in the political spectrum and some ugliness that goes on, and it is
very sad, but we are going to change that and take the country. hopefully we can make you doubt. mike: stay safe, and i'm grateful for the time you've taken. eric trump, keep fighting the good fight and let's hope for the best on tuesday. appreciate you joining us. eric trump on the campaign trail for his dad. the road to the white house. we will get some calls and your reactions to all this. four days to go, are you make it? ♪ mike: four minute break and then we are back. by the way, when i'm talking to them, maybe the feed is still going through. gotcha.
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thank you very much everybody, this is amazing. we have 7000 people outside trying to get in, can you believe this? in four days we are going to win the great state of pennsylvania and we going to win back the white house. we're going to win it back. unbelievable, look at this. maybe because i went to school in pennsylvania, maybe that is the reason. my kids went to school in pennsylvania. it is a smart place, pennsylvania. real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. [applause] mr. trump: it is just been announced that the residents of pennsylvania are going to experience a massive
double-digit premium hike. [booing] mr. trump: in arizona, premiums are going up more than 116%. all counties in pennsylvania are losing insurers next year, lots of luck negotiating. but it won't matter because it will be terminated, you won't have to bargain, we will have great health care, much lower price, you will pay a fraction of what you are paying and you will get really good stuff, i can tell you. premiums are surging on obamacare, companies are leaving, doctors are quitting, and deductibles are through the roof. nobody has ever seen anything so ridiculous.
hillary clinton wants to double down on obamacare and make it more expensive. she also wants, by the way, to raise your taxes very substantially. i am asking for your vote so we can repeal and replace obamacare and save health care for every family in pennsylvania and our country. [cheers and applause] we're going to do it, folks. we are going to win pennsylvania big. i hear we set a new record for this building. and by the way, i didn't have to bring j. lo or jay-z, that's the only way she gets anybody, i'm here all by myself. i'm here all by myself. [applause] mr. trump: just me, no guitar,
no piano. you know we do have, we all have great ideas and great vision for our country, that is what we have. i know we have two great congressman here, tom marino and lou barletta, where are they? no, we love them, they are great. real change remains restoring honesty to our government. as you know, has anybody heard? just a little rumor. just a little rumor, i think a couple of your heard. >>[chanting] lock her up! lock her up!
mr. trump: the fbi has reopened its terminal investigation into hillary clinton. they are also conducting a second criminal investigation into hillary's pay for play corruption at the state department. last night it was just confirmed that the 650,000, can you believe that number? the e-mails they discovered include brand-new e-mails not previously seen by authorities, likely they will be classified information, loaded. however, the reports also show the political leadership at the department of justice is trying very hard, as hard as they can, to protect hillary clinton from the fbi. [booing] mr. trump: i salute the fbi for
taking the steps. remember, john podesta, her top person said hillary clinton has bad instincts. wikileaks. bernie sanders said she has that judgment. if she has that instinct and bad judgment, why are we letting her run for president? why is she running? bad instincts. sanders was running against or so he says that judgment. podesta was with her all the time and he puts in an e-mail that hillary has bad instincts, that is not who we want for president. then you have president obama, and set up getting jobs, instead of taking care of our military, instead of beating isis, he is
out campaigning all the time. he often go back to the oval office and go to work. [applause] mr. trump: she created an illegal e-mail server to shield her criminal activity and then she illegally destroyed 33,000 e-mails after receiving a congressional subpoena. the key word is after. so she gets the subpoena, but congressional subpoena, you don't get any better than that, and she said you better get rid of these. she said it was about the wedding and yoga, remember? 33,000. i have a feeling the 650,000 will do nicely. if she were to win, it would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis. this will go on for years,
folks. if she ever got into the oval office, hillary and her special interests would rob our country blind. my contract with the american voter begins with a plan to end government corruption. [applause] i want the entire corrupt washington establishment to hear the words we are all about to say, when we win on november 8, we are going to drain the swamp. [applause] mr. trump: i keep telling people, i hated that expression, it is so hokey, and then one group heard it and they went crazy, another group heard it, and we had a big rally in florida and they went crazy about it and now i love it, it is true. it is very accurate. at the core of my contract is my
plan to bring back our jobs. the great state of pennsylvania has lost almost 40% of its manufacturing jobs since nafta, a deal signed by bill clinton and supported by crooked hillary clinton. one of the most amazing statistics i've ever heard, something i thought was a typographical error, america has lost, not 700, not 7000, which i assumed it might be, has lost 70,000 factories since china injured the world trade organization, another bill clinton and hillary backed deal. [booing] mr. trump: we are living through the greatest job theft in the history of the world.
tyco laid off workers in harrisburg and carlisle and moved their jobs to china, india and mexico. ge conductivity laid off 102 workers in middletown and moved their jobs to china, vietnam and singapore. another company moved jobs to china. another laid off 145 workers and moved their jobs overseas. a trump administration will stop jobs from leaving america and we will stop the jobs from leaving pennsylvania. [applause] the theft of american prosperity will end, it is ending. if a company wants to fire their
workers, leave pennsylvania, move to another country like mexico, which is taking so many of our companies, and ship their products back into the united states where we will soon have, by the way, a very strong and powerful border. [applause] we will make them pay a 35% tax on those products coming in. [applause] you know what is going to happen, right? they're not leaving. and if they do, we will make a lot of money. but they won't leave, they won't leave. a trump administration will renegotiate nafta, and if we don't get the deal we want, we will terminate nafta and get a much, much, much better deal for our workers.
we will also immediately stop the job killing transpacific partnership, another disaster in the making. as part of her plan to bring back jobs, we are going to lower taxes on american businesses from 35% to 50% -- 15%. [applause] we will massively cut taxes for the middle class, most importantly. and by the way, hillary clinton is going to raise taxes vary substantially. you saw that during the debate. who won the debates? [applause] she kept saying she is working on debate prep, for weeks, she is always working on debate prep. if she is from working on the stuff for 35 years, why does she needed debate prep? a week and a half before the debate, she was at her home, why isn't she leaving?
she is working on debate prep, i felt guilty. how much did she have to learn? that was just an excuse to rest and go to sleep, believe me. by the way, to friends of mine, and have to tell you, they are incredible -- i don't know where they are. a great couple, do you know about their son riley? are they around here somewhere? come up here if you can. do you mind? come on, tell the secret service, believe me they are ok
to come up. that would be the surprise of all time. these are incredible people, their son recently passed away in a horrible accident. he was the biggest supporter i had, a young guy, beautiful guy, a most popular person there was. he was just very special. if you would like to say a few words -- riley. he was their son. as much as some of the electron, i like you more than you like me, to tell the truth. say a few words. [applause] >> [chanting] riley! >> this is for my son. we are from new jersey, a very
small democratic town. we are registered independence and we vote for the person, not the party. my son was killed memorial day weekend coming home from the jersey shore on the garden state parkway. my son was a late in life menopause baby, a gift from god, he was only 19 years old and my only son. i have three wonderful daughters. riley loved mr. trump. he was obsessed with mr. trump. [cheers and applause] when there were 17, he said mr.
trump is the nominee. when there was one nominee, mr. trump, riley said mr. trump would be president. [cheers and applause] in riley's obituary, mr. trump was mentioned because riley loved or loves mr. trump. his funeral was over 200 cars, he had very dedicated friends, there were signs, flags for mr. trump. riley's grave marker has mr. trump name on it because he loves america. [applause]
a very good friend of my sons wrote mr. trump a letter expressing all about my son and asked mr. trump if he could just mention my son on the campaign trail because it would mean so much. when it mr. trump received the letter, he tweeted, god bless riley, and -- [applause] a motorcycle group put on facebook that they were donating a brick with riley's name on it for the wall. [cheers and applause] when mr. trump received the letter, he wrote us a very personal letter regarding family and riley.
we never expected to hear from mr. trump, we don't know mr. trump, he does not know us from adam. he does now. [laughter] within weeks of the letter, we received a phone call from his office asking would we take a phone call from mr. trump. [laughter] [cheering] we were watching fox news and mr. trump was in florida. he was sweating profusely in an airport hangar complaining of 140 degree weather. we watched him leave the stage, and within minutes our phone rang. it was mr. trump.
he is amazing. he spent a good amount of time on the phone and it was very personal, i will not share what said, but i will share that mr. trump said that if it costs millions, he would give everything he owned if it would bring my riley back. [applause] what kind of man is this? what kind of man who is running for the highest office in our land, the president of the united states -- [applause] he takes out the time from his campaign to call us.
thank you. thank you. thank you. we will unleash american energy, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal. we will put our miners back to work and our steel workers back to work. you know what has happened to your state with respect to miners and steel workers, and hillary wants to do the opposite, we will put them back to work and they will be happier than ever before. my infrastructure plan will help places like the pennsylvania turnpike. we spent all these millions all over the place and we cannot fix potholes in the pennsylvania turnpike or anywhere else. our country is going to help. -- hell. unbelievable.
we will also rebuild our inner cities. they are so bad. the african-american community, the hispanic community, people living in the inner cities have been treated so unfairly, they have been run for years by people with the wrong ideas. you can get shot walking to the store for a loaf of red. they have the worst education and no jobs. you look at unemployment rates of african-american youth, you look at it, it is 58%. and i say, give me a chance, i
will fix it. i actually go, what the hell do you have to lose? i will fix it, we will all fix it together. it will be a great thing, we have to fix it. we are going to fix it, we are going to fix the inner cities. we will become a rich nation once again. but to be a rich nation, we must also be a safe nation. hillary clinton wants a 500 and 50% increase -- 550% increase in syrian refugees, and that is over and above the thousands and thousands that are right now pouring into our country under obama. her plan will import generations of terrorists, extremism and radicalism into your schools and
throughout your communities. you know what is out there. when i am elected president, we will suspend the syrian refugee program. and we will keep radical islamic terrorists the hell out of our country. in looking at this incredible spirit, right up to the tiny corners of the room, thousands and thousands of people standing outside watching big screens. anybody want to switch places with them? isn't it sad that the most dishonest people there are, the media, do not show them?
they never show the crowds. they never show the crowds. today, obama had a protest and in chicago,r -- they badly hurt policeman and other people. our people can take care of themselves very nicely. [cheers and applause] whenever there is a protester, -- only time those cameras they pick out a protester because that is a negative thing. obama today spoke in front of a
much smaller crowd than this, by the way -- and there was a protester. a protester that likes us. they would not the cameras on him. they kept the cameras on obama. data strange. -- that is strange. by the way, if i spoke the way obama spoke to that protester, they would say, he became unhinged. you have to go back and look and study and see what happened. they never moved the camera and he spent so much time screaming at this protester. frankly, it was a disgrace. i would love to see them spin the cameras.
i would love to see them go outside and see. this arena is massive. i would love for them to go outside and see the thousands and thousands of people. [cheers and applause] look at the cameras. they do not move, folks. they do not move. they are right here. they do not move. they do not want to show it, folks. happy.e not they have seen the polls. we are leaving in ohio, leaving in iowa, leading in north carolina, leading in new florida., leading in leadingly think we are
who is going to pay for the wall? 100%. they do not know it yet, but they are paying it. honestly, they do know it. i met two months ago with the president of mexico. we will work things out. we will have better relationships with mexico and china. we have a trade deficit of -- with china of $500 billion a year. think of it. building aus with massive fortress right smack in the middle of the south china sea. i have had a great relationship inh china, the largest bank the world -- so many other
things. i am not angry at china. i am angry at our leaders for allowing somebody different countries to rip us off. end.will honestly, we will have a better relationship with most of these countries. the reason is they do not respect us. they do not respect obama. he is like a cheerleader, jumping up and down all over the place with hillary. he should be working. we are better off if he does not work. we received the first ever endorsement from one of can -- from border patrol officers.
the first time they have ever endorsed a candidate. as a result of our open borders, violent cartels have spread into all 50 of our states. more than 90% of those arrested are here illegally. they are killing innocent americans, threatening schools, and totally destroying communities. a government that will not protect its people is a government unworthy to lead. state, hillary andton allows thousands thousands of the most dangerous and violent criminals to go free because their own countries would not take them back. they bring them to their countries, these countries say,
we do not want the murderers, gang members, so they bring them -- the country says, we will not take them back. bring them back to your country. oncemise you this, never will we be bringing anybody back. back into our country, one year in jail. if they come back a second time, five years in jail. and then 10 years in jail. they will not be coming back. -- there know that have to be consequences, folks. hillary supports totally open borders. and strongly