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don't know anything about romania? robert: it is a deep vertical dive. so many of my former books were horizontal studies. here, i look at one country in death and i use it to explore great themes, the holocaust, the cold war, the challenge of vladimir putin. romanian speaking moldova have a longer border with ukraine and poland. the challenge and also about empire, the cause is where the austro-hungarian -- the habsburg empire overlapped with czars to russian empires, the soviet empire, the turkish empire, the byzantine empire. to study romania is to study the legacy of empires.
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brian: what is the relationship now and also back in 1989 with this country? robert: in 1989, romania was a pariah state. when i published that article they 1984, romanian gymnastics, what i was reacting to was the fact that there was a miniature news cycle in 1984, the los angeles olympics, when nicolae ceau?escu sent a team to compete while the rest of the soviet bloc boycotted the olympics so nicolae ceau?escu was a hero to i informed americans. the purpose of the article was to -- that he actually ran the most oppressive state in the soviet bloc. after the revolution, especially into the 1990's, romania felt
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very insecure like other countries and it wasn't -- it trusted the united states more than nato in brussels. it had to prove that it was a loyal ally to the united states so romania sent troops not only to afghanistan but also to iraq and it sent troops to several u.s. military exercises in africa -- wherever the u.s. wanted allies, the romanians came along, as did the polls because they wanted to say, we are there for you in a matter what -- please be there for us. brian: what was our relationship with nicolae ceau?escu? robert: we tried to use him because this is very subtle.
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romania was always different than its neighbors. didn't speak a slavik language, it spoke to a latin language. always had much worse relations with russia, historically speaking, then the other countries of the warsaw pact, save for poland perhaps. nicolae ceau?escu was in a vague way following romanian tradition of separating himself from the soviet union by having what was called a maverick foreign policy. he had diplomatic relations with israel. it was very superficial. he was no threat to the soviet union because he ran the most lockdown stalinist state in the block. the soviets were annoyed with nicolae ceau?escu and gorbachev was especially annoyed because gorbachev was all about liberal open-minded communism and so gorbachev -- the romanian revolution that killed nicolae ceau?escu in december 1989, that may have been the only one of the revelations that gorbachev actually liked.
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brian: how did they kill them? robert: firing squad. brian: you met with his son? robert: i never actually did -- i refer to him in the book but i never met him. brian: what happened to him? robert: his son went into exile and died a few years later of cirrhosis, some disease related to drinking. brian: how big is romania? robert: 23 million people. poland is in high 30's-40's. it is about the size of oregon or something. what is important about your question is romania is the demographic and geographical organizing principle of southeastern europe to the same extent that poland is to northeastern europe.
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it is sort of the poland of the balkans in terms of his geopolitical importance. brian: how to change between 1981-2013? robert: in 1981, the colors were black and white. 2000 13, it is multicolored. in 1981, it made a profound impression on me because of the long bread lines -- literally bread lines, people waiting in line for stale bread. mile long and it was the only communist regime in eastern europe that start its own people. 2000 and 13, bucharest is glittering, it is a mishmash, and as a lot of bad new architecture -- some good new architecture, beautiful new plexiglas vancouver-like
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buildings right next to vacant lots because this is part of the corruption. the property regime -- who owns what after communism has still not been resolved in many places, so you have vacant lots because nobody can legally determine who the owner is what hasn't been built upon. as a mishmash. but that is very humanizing in a way because it doesn't have some archetypal millenarian utopian belief. brian: in world war ii, what country was at allied with? robert: nazi germany. romania had a loyal. the fields near bucharest. hitler needed the oil. romania had a dictator -- a very interesting man. he was in the terrorist, a nationalist, a realist, and authoritarian. he was not strictly a fascist because he purged the fascists from his regime early on.
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one his rule showed was that even realism, militaries and, authoritarianism taken a bit too far can be to hundreds of thousands of murders. brian: we have some video of his death. how did he die? who killed him? that is in. robert: he was executed -- brian: you will see that. in a minute. go ahead. robert: he was executed by firing squad after being convicted of war crimes. fairly close to bucharest. he was convicted by a pro-soviet regime that was installed in the wake of stop's victory in eastern europe.
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brian: we are watching that not only did they shoot him, they came up with a pistol and shot him again and again. was that a video available -- what year did he die? robert: 1946. antonescu met with hitler 10 times in used russia, austria, other places are from the very beginning of his dictatorship to the very end, his last meeting with hitler was in 1944. antonescu came back from that meeting very depressed. he started being depressed after stalingrad when he realized for the first time that the nazis may not win the war game where does that leave me? because up until that time he had been murdering hundreds of thousands of jews outside romania in what is today moldova and translate syria which is east of romania in what used to
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be the soviet union. even as -- but after 1943, he changed. he kept hundreds of thousands of jews from inside romania proper from going to the gas chambers in german-occupied poland. it was what scholars have called opportunistic mercy. he saw that hitler may not win the war and he started to change his behavior. as a way to survive himself. when he came back from the last meeting with hitler, he knew that his days were numbered and he was overthrown in a palace coup in august, 1944.
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then romania switched sides. romania is interesting. it was the only country even more so than italy that actually switched sides in the midst of world war ii. hundreds of thousands of romanian troops fought ferociously for hitler at stalingrad and by the end of the war, hundreds of thousands of romanian troops were fighting ferociously against hitler in order to regain transylvania from hungary. brian: what is transylvania? robert: transylvania means be on the forest. it is the region to the northwest of the carpathian mountains. it was part of the austro-hungarian empire. before that, the habsburg empire. central europe. gothic, baroque architecture, with its cafe culture, the culture of the dessert, civilization, cosmopolitanism.
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a connotative many good things. it is also a place with a large minority of ethnic hungarians because the region had been part of greater hungary until romanians got it back at the end of world war ii but actually i am telescoping history because the region changed hands many times. brian: how many jews were murdered in the holocaust from romania? robert: basically, hear is the record. over 300,000 jews were murdered by antonescu's troops with antonescu's bureaucratic fingerprints all over it. in the regions outside romania but occupied by the romanian army in the midst of hitler's operation barbarossa to capture the soviet union. romanian troops got as far as odessa, the port in the middle of the black sea.
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i believe the number was 375,000 but it is in the book specifically. all of this is the work of some real trailblazing scholars who have really solidified the record following the release of the soviet archives, the romanian archives after 1989 in in in the 1990's. inside romania proper, there are about 300,000 jews who are being kept from the gas chamber but nevertheless they were, there were 15,000 jews killed by antonescu's troops inside romania -- the most famous event being in 1941. brian: this is your 16th book. when did you decide you want to do this book? robert: i had been thinking about doing a book on romania for years and years but i wasn't sure. first i thought, i will do a project.
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i will start in the black sea, romania, and i will travel up to estonia and you a travel book of what used to be called by a polish leader, that before between the seas. so i started in romania. i want to romania in 2013. but i got so swept up in it. i said, wait imminent, and maybe i shouldn't do another book about six countries, there is so much here, what am i write about what i really know about and are accessed with deeply interest keep it to that even if it is less marketable so to speak? brian: 16 books, which was at the best sellers? robert: baltic coasts, of course. it sold so far about close to
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400,000 copies worldwide in many languages. the ends of the earth to a lesser extent. warrior politics, the coming anarchy, the revenge of geography. brian: your relationship with the publisher, is at the same one? robert: i am fortunate that random house has published my last 12. brian: how does that work. in your idea? robert: i used to in the very beginning talk over ideas with editors.
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as i got older i kept more and more to myself. it is scary self generated, very personal. a book is something that you should have to write your digital be something -- i'm going to write a book if i can get a lot of speaking fees awry can make a lot of money on this -- what is a good topic -- you know, that gels in the marketplace, books are hard to write. you don't know how they will be received. you do not know what news cycle will be when the book is published. i had a book published in the presidential election in 2000. you know it happened then. the florida recount. so all of my interviews were publicity interviews and they were canceled. the book did well but it and not have that initial burst so because of all of these on globals, you are better off just writing that something you are possessed with, you have to do, that way you will have no regrets. brian: which bookend the most impact on politics? robert: probably balkan ghosts. brian: what happened?
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robert: what happened was that i started covering the balkans and it is in this book, the early part of this bill, i talk about balkan ghosts. i started covering the balkans in 1981 as a set, i went back to romania every year until 1984 when i was persona non grata but i kept going back to yugoslavia every year right up through 1989, every year of the 1980's -- >> the balkans include what countries? robert: they traditionally include romania, bulgaria, the former yugoslavia, greece, south eastern europe. what used to be called turkey, the former ottoman empire with some overlapping with the former austrian habsburg empire. in 1989, i was a deep in the midst of writing this book and i finished it at the very beginning -- no, i finished it in mid-1990 in the yugoslav crisis was still in the future, so to speak.
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and i had a long piece in the atlantic monthly before the berlin wall even fell in 1989 saying that the balkans will shape the end of the century just like vietnam and afghanistan did in earlier decades. then the berlin wall fell in the media was writing heavily about the new concept of central europe, which had emerged as a new -- and old new trendy concert. central europe -- i wrote this in the wall street journal -- central europe is the latest concept that the media is feeding to death but there is another concept that will arise because of great instability called the balkans which the media will soon discover and in that article i described the coming ethnic breakup of yugoslavia but i also was not fatalistic or deterministic because i wrote that if yugoslavia followed reformist notions from slovenia and others
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he can avoid this fate. fate has yet to be determined. as possible to alleviate. balkan ghosts was published in 1990 three. the same month i published a long piece in reader's digest which then had a circulation of 14 million where i said that we have to do something, we have to stop this, but the result was that the clinton administration took the book reportedly and used it as an excuse not to intervene in 1993, did not intervene until 1995. to me, this was ironic. if i had been arguing for intervention from 1993, in public forums -- you could say, isn't that a contradiction to balkan ghosts which paints such a depressing, dark view of the balkans and how inseparable they are?
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i would say no. it is precisely because of that that we have to take action because it is always the darkest human landscapes where intervention is ever contemplated in the first place. it was a direct connection. brian: what was the first time you got involved with the government? robert: i only had a very brief superficial experience with the government. i served on the defense policy board for a short time. that was just the board that meets several times of year. robert gates appointed me. i thought it would be a great opportunity to learn.
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i learned an enormous amount. i think i learned more from them and they learn from them and they learned for me. the meetings were very insightful. brian: you have also had other jobs besides writing. what are they? what other jobs have you done since 1996? robert: i was a fellow at the new america foundation and that think tank started. he was basically a foundation that it tends to be nonpartisan and tries to bring journalism into the think tank world. that is a fair description. i believe anne-marie slaughter is now the director. then i have been, i have stayed writing for the atlantic periodically since 1985, actually. i am now a senior fellow at the center for a new america security which is a boutique security defense-oriented nonpartisan think tank -- >> who runs that?
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robert: the former undersecretary of defense for policy. the president is richard fontaine, former advisor to john mccain. he served in the national security council. brian: what do they expect of you? robert: they expect me to write about defense and security policy and to mentor younger fellows. i have also been, i wrote a column for two years for geopolitical company based in austin. brian: i want to show you george freeman. robert: i worked for him for two years. i found that writing a weekly column was not for me. brian: here's some video from 2014. [begin video clip] >> kaplan said recently the russian danger is not the military, but the voice of action.
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do you see that happening in romania? >> traditionally the russians have operated through subversion. kaplan is my good friend. we disagree. i look at the ukraine and i see a massive intelligence failure by the russians. their intelligence and what was going to happen in kiev was bad. in this region, there is a sense that the russians are 10 feet tall and can do anything. in fact, the history of the past 40 years of russian intelligence has been a failure after failure. [end video clip] robert: george is always insightful on europe. there are few people who have been more insightful about europe than george.
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george saw the coming european union, the economic crisis years in advance. he has always worth listening to and he is right. he was in part an intelligence failure because vladimir putin's intelligence services have said do not worry about ukraine. turned out they cannot handle it. i think he downplays the power of russia in a country like romania because you can do a lot through purchasing media, third parties, subversion, intelligence operations, the building a network of natural gas pipelines that tie in central and eastern europe turned russian natural gas. romania is a bit stronger in that regard because romania is
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unique in that it has natural gas of its own to a degree that other countries between estonia and bulgaria do not. brian: when you were here back in 2005, the first question led to this answer -- can you talk about journalism and what you think it is in your book? [begin video clip] >> you have been described as a world affairs expert, anthropologists, a travel journalist, and a realist. how do you describe yourself? >> i am a reporter who not only reason about the area in the history where i report from because history doesn't begin the moment you landed a country on a plane, it has been going on for a long time beforehand. not only do i read about the history but i also read about relevant political philosophies that are affecting the area. [end video clip] brian: a journalist, reporter, in today's age, what do you think a journalist is? how close can you get to the government? robert: i think what a journalist needs to be is
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someone who goes out reporting things that are important but which until then are unreported or not reported enough about. what a journalist has to do whether it is in africa, east asia, nigeria, the south china sea, is to not only go and report and develop sources but he also has to read seriously but the history of the area, the geography of the area, and about, as i said, the relevant political philosophy and let me just give you an idea about that. if you read hobbes, hobbes is unfairly maligned as a depressing philosopher. hobbs was actually in some way and optimistic philosopher because he believed in rescuing the chaos of the dark ages by creating a strong state and a strong state can lead to a better life for people.
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he called that strong state the leviathan. hobbes was somebody with answers. one of the points that he makes is that between, the difference between good and bad, good men and batman, the just and the unjust can only be decided if there is some coercive force above it. in other words, the u.s. is not in chaos. it has a complex legal system. you get into a car accident and trevor exchange insurance information. it has electricity, agriculture, all this monday and stuff because there is water, there is government. first you need order -- order comes before freedom and in foreign policy interest comes before -- comes before value or values can only follow provided you have interest but without order, there is chaos and there is no justice for anybody at any point in that is what i kept in
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mind reporting from africa, for instance, which was, where is the order? where is the bureaucratic institution order? anyplace can hold an election but it is building institutions that matter. brian: how many countries have you lived in? robert: i have lived in israel, greece, portugal. now i live in western massachusetts my wife and i have been there for 20 years. brian: when you were here in 1996, your son was 11. what happened to your son? robert: he is 31, married, we
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have a granddaughter. he works for morgan stanley in boston. he is not interested in being a journalist. he carved his own path. brian: you wrote, i am a liberal in the 19th-century sense. actually -- i apologize -- that is not you. i thought, i wondered if that reflected on what your politics are? robert: from the profile i write about of the romanian philosopher, i am sympathetic to him. brian: from that follows my belief in admiration of 20th century liberal philosophers. robert: close. deep down, i am a conservative.
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many people say this, the real pillar of enlightened conservatism is edmund burke because he believed in pacing, he believed that revolutions are bad. revolutions do not solve anything. all they do is create another form of authoritarianism. burke was horrified at the french revolution as was edward gibbon. burke believed in gradual systemic change and that is what i believe in. i am suspicious of overnight change. it often leads to unintended consequences.
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brian: back to your book, when was the first time in history romanians voted for their leaders? robert: i was there. spring 1990. the ceausescus had been dead about 5 months. they held an election. this began the area where romania was officially a democracy, but the people running the country were essentially communist and not as extreme or stalinist as the ceausescus. that was the first time that i can remember in our lifetime where romanians went to the polls and actually voted. there were elections in the 1920's and 1930's but like other
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countries and eastern europe, democracy in that region between the world wars was stillborn. it produced chaotic, corrupt, uni-ethnic, anti-semitic governments. as opposed to what was, relatively speaking, the cosmopolitanism and humanism of the defunct habsburg empire. brian: how good is its democracy now? robert: as good as can be expected. it has a 4% economic growth rate. it has a government, middle of the road, nonideological technocrats. it has got a president, klaus johannis, who is an ethnic saxon german. now get this. an ethnic romanians elected
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ethnic sex in german, a minority theedibly repressed under ceaucescuse go -- regime. -- the ethnic romanians elected ethnic saxon german. even know he was underfunded and considered a dark horse, they elected him because of his message. and his message was, even closer relations with the west and moving forward to developing a government institution that is clean and transparent. brian: romania's relationship with nato? robert: their relationship is unambiguous. romania wants nato to be as strong as possible. they have been a member since 2000. there are two things here. one of the understated reasons we have never said openly why he
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was elected was because they had another experience with another ethnic german, who ruled romania from 1866-1914. he built the modern romanian state. he built the institutions. yes, they became corrupt and abused, but he started them from scratch and romanians associate his rule with a strong rule that built a modern apparatus and there was this vague hope that here we have another ethnic german who can take this next stage. brian: in the middle of this book, you wander off, look at the mountains, and you bring up music. you bring up bach, stravinsky, and haydn.
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why? robert: i am a lover of classical music, particularly chamber music, baroque classical music. other travel writers will write about food. they will go on pages about food because they are chefs, cooks, they are good at that. i love music so naturally comes to mind. brian: were you able to use the music while you are traveling around? robert: i brought up music a few times. i didn't constantly repeat it. i do not listen to music -- like i don't have an ipod. i do not travel like that. i want to hear the noises. it is part of traveling. if you go to a café, as i did in one town, in romanian moldova, the part of moldova that is inside romania, and it was a café of young people. they were all listening to what
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i consider the most horrible music i have ever heard. but that was part of the experience. brian: how close is romania to russia? robert: they have a long border with ukraine, which was the former soviet union so it doesn't have a border with russia per se but with former soviet russia and the ukraine. brian: what are the other major countries that border romania? robert: let's say we will go clockwise from the black sea. it borders the black sea. it has a long border with bulgaria separated by the danube river. then it borders the former yugoslavia. then it borders hungary. finally, it has a border with ukraine. and finally, with moldova, which was formerly a socialist republic inside the soviet union. brian: if an american wanted to go to romania on vacation, and
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and they have never been there and didn't speak the language, what would it be like? robert: they would have a wonderful time. brian: what about the english language? do they use it there? robert: english is widespread in romania, particularly since 1989. that is the language to know in -- and most young people, you know, have a working knowledge of english. they would fly to bucharest, they could rent a car and drive north, the beginning of transylvania and go through the carpathian mountains and drive up through the painted monasteries to the northeast and northwest to the wooden churches.
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it is lovely and it is visited but it is not yet on the international tourist map so that you will not encounter hundreds and hundreds of tourists. brian: how are the accommodations? robert: they are better and better. there are boutique hotels sprouting out throughout the countryside. brian: you wrote, the ultimate purpose of human existence is to appreciate beauty and beauty requires a spiritual element, and intimidation of another world. robert: an intimation of another world -- brian: i'm sorry -- robert: it's fine, it's fine. what is consciousness? it is to appreciate beauty, beautiful art, music, landscapes. that is a tie to the spiritual. other writers have written that it is a call to action. that by contemplating a beautiful work of art, can energize someone to take moral action in some personal or political sphere.
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it is ultimately all about beauty in one form or another. brian: i will go back to the beginning. if you were talking to a college professor who was teaching government, political science, and he or she said, why would i want my students to read this book, what would you tell them is the reason? robert: if you read this book, you will have a better understanding of the holocaust, the cold war, vladimir putin, of history. history is essentially imperial. for most of history, people have been governed by one form of empire or another. not just in the west but throughout central asia, china, sub-saharan africa, before the british and french canada sub-saharan africa there were
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sprawling indigenous african empires. this is a book that is a laboratory in one country. brian: last question, was dracula the impale her -- bakula impaler a real person? robert: vlad the impaler was a real person who fought the turks. bram stoker used him vaguely for his dark, gothic novel about the figure we are familiar with, but the myth of dracula is nonsense, essentially. brian: next book? robert: next book is a sequel to the revenge of the revenge of geography, dealing with american geography and its relationship to foreign policy. brian: when will it be published? robert: probably roughly speaking a year from now.
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brian: our guest has been robert kaplan. the book is called, "in europe's shadow: two cold wars and a thirty-year journey through romania and beyond." thank you very much. robert: thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] announcer: for free transcripts or to give us your comments, visit us at q& q&a programs are also available as c-span podcasts. week, susan glasser and
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mr. trump: this is beautiful, this is beautiful. i love you. i love you. [applause] movement, it's a folks. it's a movement. it's not about me, it's about you, believe me. this is a movement. we are not going to be the
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stupid country anymore. where not going to be the stupid people anymore. we are not going to let our politicians destroy our country. were not going to let it happen. itre not going to let happen. i talked about little marco rubio -- he's a disaster. he is a nasty guy, has said nasty things, and you know, we hit him hard. we hit him hard. little nasty guy. myeven complained about hands. look at those hands, look at those hands. look at that. response -- iy in hit him only in response to him. i always do the counterpunch. he is going, what can i say?
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he has small hands. look at those. give me a break, ok. where did that when come from, ok? the problem was i was shaking hands with people and they are iz, mr. trump,e wh you have large, strong hands. i did want to get the word out, folks. i have heard worse things, but who needs it, right? i want to thank you all, really. it's amazing. this crowd. look at that all the way up to the rafters. unbelievable. unbelievable. marshal, you know, we have thousands of people outside. we lost about 10,000 people. had to leave. and i think because the police are so incredible -- we love our police --
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and your fire departments and everything, they are going to try to let another few hundred people come right up your. i said, don't worry about it. when not going to have any problems, ok? we are going to fill it in and it's great. the ones that i work on the most when i go to a site are my fire marshals. they are the most important people. no one has crowds like we do. nobody. in all fairness to you, right now i am supposed to be at the cadillac world golf championships, and i'm here. i'm here. and i just left rory -- actually i just left chances. hopefully we will do well in kansas and kentucky. i have a list. look of this. new hampshire, we won. south carolina, we won. in aa -- nevada, we won
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massive landslide. that was supposed to be for lyin' ted cruz. lyin' ted. and then hehe bible puts it down and he lies. and that is why i am winning with the evangelicals, who i love. and you heard today paul lo white, who was fantastic, and i appreciate paula white. and jerry falwell junior from liberty university was so great to me and he does not endorse people. he doesn't do it, but he felt this was important. remember, every one of the candidates goes to liberty. they speak. when he endorsed me, that was a great, great thing. big.n nevada we won georgia in a landslide. alabama in a massive landslide.
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vermont was incredible. vermont -- everybody thought that would be marco. marco did not even show up. by the way, he does not show up to vote for the senate. so, why the hell should he show up to vermont, yeah? we won virginia. we won arkansas -- arkansas. we won massachusetts. that ills have come out easily beat hillary clinton, and i want to tell you, you do not hear that on television. you listen to these dishonest pundits. trump can't win the general election. we will beat her so badly, folks. we will beat her so badly. i used to listen to jeb bush before he flamed out and he would say, "donald trump could not beat hillary clinton." i would say, why can't you be me?
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you got nothing. low energy, low energy. there's people now on television fighting me saying, we have to stop donald trump. he's not going to beat hillary clinton. i say to my people, i have these debaters, right? it worked forsay jeb bush and it was terrible? the one person that hillary does not want to run against, i will tell you this, is donald trump. that i can tell you. that i can sell you. and it's amazing. i watched this the other day rco is going,ma donald -- this guy has so many problems. i do not think he will win his own state. i'm 21 points up. i love florida. truly my second home.
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i'm here all the time, as you know. all the time. i love this area, by the way. i've done many jobs in miami with related and george perez and we have had great success, and many of the buildings in miami, a lot of stuff and it has been great. and as you know into rall and in jupiter, we did a big job. it was very successful. and west palm beach. and the mara lago club and many more. and tomorrow night we are having our news conference -- hopefully victorybe our conference -- and west palm beach. all of the places i could pick, i picked florida. i want to beat florida. so, we all love florida. people and they talk about the general election. listen, the general election is very important.
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i will say this. the one person she does not want to run against is trump. you know, she got a dose. i haven't even -- folks, i'm beating her in many polls, i'm beating her in many polls and i haven't even started yet. i have not started with her yet. only once. only once. four weeks ago, she said something about me being sexist. remember? you, the press treated me very unfairly, because right after she said that, i attacked her and bill -- and bill. we talked about the word, we came up with the word, "enabler." ?ou know what the word is you mean i'm bad, but her husband is ok? maybe one of the worst in the history of politics. this was a disaster for them. i guarantee you, they had one of the worst weekends of their life.
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this was not a friendly weekend they had sitting together at , if they were together. so, here is the story. here is the story. we can't play games. our country is in deep trouble. we have to beat her. it looks like she is going to make it. bernie is gone. bernie is gone regardless. bernie had his time. he has his time in the sun, and i see this so often with politicians. they blow it. what happens is, he had his time in the sun. he was doing great, and then they asked the question about e-mails a month and a half ago and he said, "i'm tired of them discussing it." like they should not be discussing it. and i said, bye-bye, bernie, you just blew the election, and i was right. but when i attacked hillary's six weeks ago -- people do not realize this.
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the press gave me zero and i want credit. do you understand? you are the most dishonest human beings on earth. the most. they are disgusting, dishonest human beings, and i will tell well, not all of them. actually, amazingly, because i times,an of the new york i had a front-page story in the new york times, was a phenomenal story. i can't leave it. -- i can't believe it. get 'em out of here. get 'em out! we had an amazing, amazing story today on the front page. i'm going to have to be nicer to "the new york times." today was
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really amazing. somebody said in the story there has been nothing like this happened with this movement in the united states for over 100 years. can you imagine? over 100 years? and it's true. no matter where we go, we are packed. we have the biggest audiences, the biggest crowds by far. wasst tell you, bernie second. a distant second, but bernie was second. where are these people? fast.n, get 'em out we want speed. oh, there he is. little wiseguy. little wiseguy. lot of dots. lot of got. -- lot of guts. lot of guts. sent him in? they send them in, by the way. i love my protesters. i, i wife -- by the way, she
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does a great job on television. would she be a great and very beautiful first lady, right? and she's very, very smart and she has a big heart. i'll tell you, she has a great part. but i love my protesters. i go home and i see them and like the crowd? didn't see it. what do you mean you did not see it? i heard it. we had over 10,000 people not come in today. i promise i will come back. none of you can come here when i come back. none of you. i know you got here at 6:00 in the morning many of you. so, pretty amazing. but we are going to come back. but can you imagine? i will say,me and did you see the size of that crowd? we filled up dallas -- mark cuban, the dallas mavericks are
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a wonderful team. they have a beautiful team. i spoke with mark. we took it over on thursday. we filled it up monday, 21,000 people. nobody knew. the reason they did not know, number one, the reporters do not want to report it. it's unbelievable. that's why i like my protesters. the only time they move the camera is if there is a protester in the rafters they will move it because it is a negative thing, in their minds. it's actually very positive. a thing going on here that is incredible. there has not been anything like it. the biggest story in politics, which really is not talked about as much as it should be is voter turnout during the primaries. 50% up, 60% up, in some cases 100%. there it is, cameras. look up there, cameras. look up there at the protester, camera.
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usa! usa! usa! audience: usa! usa! aren't the truck rallies the greatest -- the trump rallies the greatest? one little marco has a rally, when they get 200, 3 and her people, that's fine. at i'm not knocking it. that is the normal thing. this is not a normal situation,
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folks. amazing timeen an for me. you know why? on june 16, i took a deep breath. this is not something that is so easy. i took a deep breath, i came down the escalator, i said let's go. get out of here. out! out! go home to mommy. so, why is it that young lady
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can use filthy, disgusting language, and they won't report that? and if i say something and fun that is not even bad i end up on the front page of every paper in the world? do you think that is fair? yet, she is disgusting. she is disgusting. it reminds me of this weekend, the former president of mexico, right? vincent a fox -- vincente fox. we will build the wall, don't worry. we will build the wall. we will build the wall. and who is going to pay for the wall? who? you better believe it. they are going to pay for the wall. you know, we have a trade deficit with mexico of $58 -- 58 billion dollars.
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$58 billion. these politicians, lyin' ted cruz and little marco rubio -- actually, he's not that bad. because he never shows up anywhere. what does he do with all of his free time? has the highest delinquency record in the united states senate in many, many years. it could be decades, ok? that's not the kind of person you want representing florida. that's not the deal you made. you know, i built an incredible company. this is florida. you know what i have. i went over it. all along the beach. all these things. and i have to listen to this guy, a lightweight, a total saying, donald trump is a con. i filed financial papers that say i am worth over $10 billion and i do not say that bragging,
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folks. some of the greatest assets in the world. bank of america building, all of this stuff -- all of this stuff. don't worry. get them out. they are quiet. they don't have much of a voice. and then i have to listen to a conightweight say i'm man. nobody has ever called me a con man before. that's a horrible thing. theywhen i hit him back say, "donald trump was very ." but that was not good did i kill him in the debate the other night? when is the big announcers said -- and it was very interesting, in hisid -- donald got head. and not me -- we won every single poll as do who won the .ebate the other night drudge had it at almost 70%, but every single hole -- every
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single poll. we need greatness in this country now. we don't need mediocrity. we don't need it. we don't need phonies. we don't need politicians, all talk, no actions. get them out. is this fun? do we love this? i love it. i love it. those cameras turning of there -- look at them. they are like pretzels. they are like pretzels. good, get them out. go home. you are lucky. you are lucky it is not 10 years ago. 10 years ago would have been a much tougher situation for him. you know, different. you know -- you know, speaking -- they talk about waterboarding in all of these
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toferent things, and we have a baby laws, but do you think isis is obeying -- we have to obey the laws, but do you think isis is obeying the laws? i say this and i say this very strongly -- some realhad protesters. some protesters with guts. remember when the young women came in and took the podium and the microphone from bernie sanders? what did he do? he retreated. he went back here. they took over the microphone. i promise, i'm representing you. i promise, that will never happen to trump, ever! see, our great police? did a great job.
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thank you, police. we love you. we love you. they don't play games. the police in this country, believe me, the police are not treated fairly. one mistake, someone was a bad apple, it is played in the news all the time. we have to give more credit to our police, folks. and we have to stick with them. and we have mitt romney, who choked in the last election -- i never thought he was a smart guy. and i keep wondering. ice is with steve forbes today, and i thought steve forbes like me down atthey put $4.5 billion net worth, and is much more than that. why is it that forbes -- they just raised me $400 billion this year and i should be happy. what difference does it make? numbersare the forbes
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so much lower than the value of what i built? i started off much lower. how about this idiot that jumped up -- my father gave me $200 million. $200 million? i only wish. because we own the world. i liked this better. i got a call from my brother and my sister, two great people. i love them. and they said, why don't you correct that? that is so ridiculous. they said, by the way, if he gave you $200 million, please let us know about it. we would like a chunk of it. i started off with very little. i started off with great knowledge because i have a father who was a great guy. i started off with a father who would have seen the iran deal, f he would've same week a $150 billion to a terror state -- and do you know where they are
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spending that money? buying airbus jets. they are spending it all over europe. they are spending it in russia buying missiles. they are spending it in russia buying missiles. they are spending it everywhere but the good old usa. not going to happen anymore, folks. not going to happen. we should never have agreed to negotiate. remember, "art of the deal," all that stuff. released ourave prisoners. we should never, ever have agreed to negotiate. it's one of the dumbest deals i have ever seen. let's say they have our 4 people. it used to be three, but they added someone from "the washington post." i would have gone and very easily. they would say that is not presidential. let's not be presidential. or one of my great
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representatives. you have heard about all of these -- carl icahn, many of the great business people are endorsing me. and we will use them to negotiate our trade deals. these are the greatest negotiators in the world. these of the greatest business people in the world. they don't want anything. campaignt give contributions and say, a point me to chief negotiator against china. china is so smart. mexico is so smart. if you look at japan, the deals they have made are so smart. saudi arabia. they are making a billion dollars a day. and we protect them for peanuts. it's going to change, folks. it's all going to change. it's all going to change. it's all going to change. and it's going to go fast. -- my father used to say father used to say to me, you are too tough.
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you've got to take the lumps out. that was the expression he used. he loved me. he was a strong guy with a great heart. he would say, donald, you are too tough. take it easy. you've got to take the lumps out. is somebody protesting back there? get out of here. out! out! get 'em out. don't hurt him. don't hurt him. don't hurt him. get out of here. get out of here. yeah. sure. sure, man. you had your five seconds of fame, man. get out. the press will say trump is getting soft. out, then get him
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they go, it was terrible the way he talked. i have a middle ground. i say, "get him out!" and if it is too tough, i say "don't hurt him." this way i don't get criticized by the press. my father was a great negotiator. he loaned me a small amount of money. and i started, 1979, 1980, i will tell you i will do great fortune. take thesay, son, lumps out. you will make too many enemies. me, make enemies? deal withmake a good me? look at romney. what a dope. he did one of the worst jobs in the history of politics. he should have won his election. his he devoted his -- if he
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devoted his energy and time to defeating obama four years ago, we would not be here today. this guy was a disaster. i always take second guessers. there is something about second guessers. romney came to see me and he begged -- he begged me for my support. he begged me. and what did i do? i said, drop to your knees. drop to your knees. no, i did not say that. but if i did, he would have, i'm telling you. his friend. is forbes raised me $400 million. they said i made $400 million. it's much more than that. and now i know why. it's over $10 billion. he's meeting with ron maybe all-time. they are friends. we have something going. thing is so special. we are really -- they are
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railing against us. -- theve never seen establishment is a disaster, the republican establishment, they do not know what they are doing. the only reason i mention this is we need this kind of thinking to get rid of our $19 trillion in debt, to get rid of our tremendous deficit with every single country we do business with. why should we be protecting practically for nothing? they would not exist if it were not for us? why should every time i order thousands of television sets -- thousands. i order them from south korea. audience: trump! mr. trump: get him out. see, these are bad people.
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you know the funny thing? we all want security, we want a military, we want borders, education, good health care. we are going to get rid of obamacare so fast. we want to have a good life for our families and ourselves, and we all want that whether we are democrat or republican -- what's going on? it's really ridiculous. it's really ridiculous. it's really ridiculous. so, let's go back to my father, right? my father would always say, take the lumps out. he would go like this. my father passed away a number of years ago. he would always say "take the lumps out." and i learned. so here is what we do with iran. let's say i'm the negotiator. i will be the negotiator, even though it's not very
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presidential. you are supposed to have your john kerry-type do it. what a disaster john kerry was. here's what we do. we take the lumps out. before my father gave me this lesson, i would have walked in, i want thosesaid, prisoners back now. i want them back -- and it would have taken a long time. probably would have gotten them fellas, we have a problem. the prisoners are with you. make for ang to better negotiation. let them go. we leave. the persians are great negotiators. we take off. we double up the sanctions. in 28 hours.on you they say, congratulations you have your prisoners. in the old days, i would've said -- this is four years ago. before we start. i would have said, i would have
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weked in, i would have said are not giving you the $150 billion? do you understand me? the $150t giving you billion. i went to the wharton school of finance. my father was still a better teacher. they were great, but he was the best. now i would do it differently. i would say, fellas, we have a problem. have $19 trillion. that horrible deal signed recently is going to bring us up to 21 billion dollars. we don't have the money. i'm so sorry. i want to give it to you so badly. we do not have $150 billion. here is what is going to happen. we're going to leave. we got our prisoners back four
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years ago and we just got out of giving them $150 billion. the way, that's not a be percent sure, 95, 90 5.7. i feel so badly that we gave them $150 billion. the sad part is, if i win, i do not get that money back. but i will find a way to get it back. i will find a way. everybody is trying to figure out how to stop trump. out!
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audience: trump! trump! trump! usa! usa! usa! usa! know --p: you we have a divided country, folks.
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we have a terrible president who happens to be african-american. there has never been a greater division, just about, then what we have now. the hatred, the animosity. i'm going to bring people together. i'm going to bring people together. you watch. we are going to bring our jobs from china. and mexico. peopleare going to bring together, folks. we are going to bring them together. [indistinct chanting] mr. trump: it is sort of exciting, isn't it? sort of exciting, right? sort of exciting. in all fairness. all right. look. we are going to bring people
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together, we are going to bring jobs together, and we are going to get if i our country because our country is so divided. in so many ways our country is so divided. -- we want to be you have to say it is exciting though, right? normal,not like your low key really boring rally that nobody cares about. nobody cares. look at all of those cameras back there, folks. look at all those. do you know how many cameras you have for other people? like maybe none. look at all that. i love the way they twist and turn and get into those little corners when we have the
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protesters, because for us, i would say please turn your camera and show this. they would never do it. go ahead. turn the cameras, folks. go ahead. turn the camera's. see that? they don't even move. they don't even move. honestly, they are disgusting. it helps that tom brady loves me. if tom brady loves you and you do not win massachusetts by a landslide -- tom brady loves me, right? bernie sanders, the exact same hour had 3000 people at a different site. the next day they talk about how big the crowds were for bernie sanders, and i said, well,
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that's not fair. that's really unfair. all right. you're ready? can the protesters stopped for a couple seconds so we can talk your? just for a couple seconds. give us like five minutes and then you can protest again we soldi am so proud this place out. we really sold it out twice, because the people who were told , i'm sorry we cannot get you we havemore than outside. it's pretty amazing. so, i call him a choker -- he chokes. when somebody chokes -- we all play sports. choker,if a person is a it never changes, right? right? right? if you look at secretary kerry, he choked on the iran deal.
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he joked. he should have left that room a couple times. he never did that. we do not want choker. we do not want chokers. want is what chris christie did to your no-show senator at the debate before last when chris grilled him -- and chris endorsed me, by the way, which i love -- but chris christie -- i never saw anything like it. little marco is right next to me . and chris christie is grilling him like a good prosecutor, and chris's grilling them, and marco -- uh-oh. we have somebody else. what is it? all right, we need a doctor. a doctor. do we have a doctor?
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a woman fainted. people that think. and i think it is only faint. are you ok, darling? ok. take your time. [indistinct chanting] audience: trump! trump! trump! [shouting]
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[applause] mr. trump: those are the people we like the best. she has been here for seven hours. i love you, darling, get better. those of the people we love, right? they love our country, i will tell you that. we have a lot of decisions to
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make. the new way of stopping trump, because they're giving up -- you know what, the flowers are for me, and here's what i want you to do. run-up, catch that woman, and give those flowers to that woman. i love that. [applause] mr. trump: that's nice. that's nice. so, in the times today, they are starting to give up about trump. if we win florida, believe me, it is over.
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if we win -- [applause] mr. trump: and we are going to win. you're going to have a great president and a great country again. you're going to be so proud of our country. you are not going to be embarrassed of sergeant bergdahl. we get bergdahl, right? we get a dirty, rotten traitor. six people, five people or six people died finding him. we get bergdahl, and they get five of their biggest killers. i call him the one for five president. that's no trade, folks. we will make deals like that anymore, folks. as far as the waterboarding is concerned, we have to stay within the laws. we have to stay within the laws. hey, who here thinks that isis , who chops off heads, who drowns people in a cage, who thinks that isis stays within the laws? right?
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[shouting] mr. trump: we are like a bunch of babies. but we are going to stay within the laws, but we are going to have those laws broadened. we are playing with two sets of rules, their rules and our rules. those laws are going to be broadened. it is embarrassing to see what is happening. "oh, waterboarding is so bad." "waterboarding is such a terrible thing." we will stay within the law, but we will increase it. "waterboarding is such a terrible thing." now you have isis guys sitting around the table, celebrating the fact that they just cut off the heads of 30 christians. you think they obey the laws? [shouting] mr. trump: i told the story and some people said it wasn't necessarily true but it turned
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out to be true. should i tell it or not? [applause] mr. trump: remember this. they asked me to tell it, so it's not my fault. in the old days, when we were strong and respected, we had a general named general pershing. tough cookie, hey. general patton. how long do you think -- hey, how long do you think isis would last under general patton, under general macarthur? believe me. they had a problem with terrorism, radical islamic terrorism. ok? a big, big problem. tremendous atrocities were being committed. general pershing and his group went out to solve the problem. they caught 50 terrorists, and they took those terrorists and stood them up, all 50, and the bullets, and they cut open two pigs, took pigs' blood, splashed
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it around, put the bullets in the guns, shot 49 of the terrorists with bullets loaded up with pig fat. let me explain -- not nice, not politically correct. i do not think they would allow that today. do you agree? they shot 49 of the 50 terrorists. the final terrorist, just before he was going to be shot, they went up to him and said, "here, take this bullet, this was meant for you." he hardly wanted to touch it. "take this bullet. it was meant for you. go back and tell your people there will be no more terrorism." for 28 years, there was no more terrorism. for 28 years, there was no more terrorism.
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look it up, in the philippines, general pershing. tough guy. 28 years, they say, there was no more terrorism. we could be babies, foolish, but we have to be vigilant, strong, smart. when paris club and it was an amazing thing. was calling the leaders a mastermind and we are losing our children -- they are going over and fighting for isis because the press calls evil masterminds. he's not a mastermind. he's not even an intelligent person. i call him the guy with the dirty hat. becaused people when paris, by the way has the toughest gun laws in the world, just about. france has the toughest gun laws in the world. if a few of you like that guy with his hand up, a few of you have guns wrapped around your
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hips and you are in that room -- you had a let's going had bullets going in that room, i guarantee you there would not be 130 people killed and many other people in the hospital right now. have two totally protect our second amendment. we have to protect our second amendment. [applause] california, when you have the radicalized woman come over and radicalized probably the young man, now they are radicalized and they go in and they kill their fellow workers. workers that gave them baby showers and parties. workers that from what i hear they liked. they went in and killed 14 of them. in the like in paris, hospital, will never, ever be the same. they went in and boom, boom,
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boom -- no guns coming the other way. the five military people killed -- in a gun free zone, think about it -- and a gun free zone on a military base. on do we have gun free zones a military base? complainese guys that about guns like michael bloomberg -- used to be a friend of mine, by the way. like many others, they complain about guns. here is what you do. tell them to take the guns away from their bodyguards right now. let's see how they feel walking around certain places. i don't think they are going to be too happy. we are going to protect our second amendment, me, more than anyone else up here, we are
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going to protect our second amendment. [applause] we are going to get rid of common core. [applause] we are going to bring our unlikeon with love -- jeb bush -- there's no act of love. rid of a lotto get of things. we are getting rid of obamacare and replacing it. we are getting rid of common core. i tell this story -- in 30 countries in education, the united states is rated number 30. you have denmark, sweden, norway, china and others. they are the best. yet in cost for people, number
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two doesn't even exist. here is what is happening with the campaign. we are number one in cost and the least in terms of education. nations third world with that are educational systems than our country that we love. dreamk about the american -- people cannot have the american dream if we don't get educated. we need education. the most expensive, the least for the buck. my campaign -- i have spent the least amount of money and i'm number one by a lot. i'm killing everybody. that be nice? wouldn't it be beautiful? in new hampshire, which was a gate -- a great place and great state and i told them we are going to stop heroin from coming is all over the
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country -- in new hampshire, they have an unbelievable thing. in new hampshire, i spent $2 million and i was number one in a landslide. even those people would say it is a landslide. a don't know what's happening. it was a landslide. it was number one and i said very little. someone else said 48 million. [indiscernible] [chanting "usa, usa"] spent 48 million
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dollars and lost and came in the bottom of the pack. we don't want that. wouldn't you rather's been less and be with me? it's going to happen. i'm building a hotel now on pennsylvania avenue in washington and i'm doing it for two reasons. that is what i do. i got it from general services -- very professional people -- if i didn't get it, i probably wouldn't be saying that, but i got it. one of the most heavily contested in the history of the gsa -- probably wanted by more people than anything else in the usa -- right between the white house and the capital building. they gave it to trump for two reasons. getshave to make sure it done and they love the project. it is going to be one of the most luxurious hotels.
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they made the decision and boiled it down to 10 companies. in the obamaump administration. can you imagine? which tells you to things. number one, have a great statement and we have a great concept. it will be one of the number one hotels in the world. we were supposed to open in september 2 years from now and instead, we are opening up in september before the election. isn't that great? so listen to this -- we are under budget and two years ahead of schedule. wouldn't we love to have a country that could do that? [applause] do you ever see these projects where there is a 200% cost overruns -- do you know what a thousand percent -- a cost many
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times what they projected? that does not happen with me. onhave contractors that bid these government jobs and they are so rich that you have no idea. takemake so much money and the money from government. i will start a new set of procedures. we can do that. it won't happen. the nice part about the hotel -- if i don't win, i'm living on pennsylvania avenue anyway. [applause] the new group is trying to stop trump. that's going to make a lot of people happy. they mention in some of the papers that if that happened, it would almost be a revolution. it would be. because the last thing you people are going to take is
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having a lightweight like a marco rubio, who is terrible, having a guy like this or lying ted cruz or some politician -- we can't have it anymore. i really mean it. they are talking about serious, serious problem's. so now they are saying we may not be able to stop trump -- by the way, speaking of trump and speaking of stopping at helping -- you've got to get out to vote, folks. you've got to. is tuesdayis -- it the 15th. not this tuesday, the following tuesday. tuesday the 15th -- do you know what i would do, just think it you don't get sick or feel good, you've got to get up and have someone lift you up. i will call you and pay for it. i will get an ambulance. here is what you have to do. it's not this tuesday, it is the
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following tuesday. if we win florida, it is over. if we win florida and ohio, it's really over. think we have a good chance. in florida, you can early vote. you can go out and vote early. go and do it, go vote -- let's do a pledge. everybody -- who likes me in this room? [applause] -- i've never done this before -- can i have a pledge, a swearing -- raise your right hand. swear that i, no matter how i feel, no matter what the conditions, if there's -- that's or whatever
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good enough. on or before the 12th for donald j trump for president. thank you. [applause] now i know. all raise yourou hand. don'tings happen if you live up to what you just did. i really appreciate it. time. having an amazing they used to call this the silent majority, but it wasn't nearly as big like this. i was using their name and some people didn't like that because for whatever reason, it had bad connotations. are not the silent majority, we are the really noisy
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majority, right? now, the establishment -- they had the wrong messenger ann romney. how do you use a guy who should have won election in lost horribly and made a fool out of himself. there are messages that could be good. but he's the wrong messenger. now with they are thinking of doing because they don't think they can stop us. maybe they can -- my life is ok. a lot of people say why are you doing this -- you have this great life -- why are you doing this -- you have this country is so great. it is payback. now, what these absolute tove people, what they want do now, they don't know if they can stop trump, so they want to
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start a third party, so i do a pledge and then they do it. thank you. that's all right. get him out of here. do a pledge and they do a pledge but they don't honor anything. they want to start a third-party and they want to put a couple of clowns there that will take enough votes that we will be able to beat hillary. -- won't be able to beat hillary. we lost a great justice. justice scalia. my sister is a great judge a new justice scalia. she said he was a great man. my sister knew him very well. judget a great unexpectedly. this is what happens in life. nobody ever talks about him.
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people who are older on the court and people you thought were going to be leaving and all of a sudden, it happens. you pick up that she was a great judge, a brilliant judge -- so many qualities -- a brilliant judge. that is what we want to replace with -- as close as we can get. i gave some names of great conservative judges. and herehe republicans is where it doesn't work for them. it is called the supreme court. let's say they put a couple of republicans -- they will put in a couple of republicans in these republicans will take off 5%, 2%, 3% of the vote. now hillary goes in and we are going to have to replace it could be as many as four supreme court justices, including judge scalia. can you imagine what will happen if that happens? gooddged i would put on
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conservative, brilliant judges. [applause] a hillary gets in or whoever -- i don't know how she can run. i don't know how she can run. let's assume she will run. don't forget, you have a statute of limitations here. let's assume she runs and do you know what she would do with the supreme court? she would have for judges and maybe more that she will do over the next four years, including scalia. everyone iswork doing, that would go to hillary if she wins. when the republicans want to play games -- look this byablishment group headed mitt romney who is not a smart man, i'm telling you. and steve forbes -- i have finally found out why they never give me the right number.
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i finally find out. steve until now. if they do that, they are doing it to you. my life would be a lot easier. they are doing it to the movement. "time magazine. it talks about this movement -- that there has never been anything like it. country wheret apple is going to start making their iphones in our country and will when i get through. believe me. we have a great country, but we have leadership that is almost nonexistent. we are going to have really smart leadership and when that happens, i'm going to give you one quick story.
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it?ier -- did you see i buy a lot of carrier theyonditioner -- announced they are moving to mexico. somebody has the cell phone going -- taking the pictures and 1400 jobs are gone. they are gone like magic. a mid-level guy up on the third -- up on the stage. they fire everybody, essentially. i say that is terrible. ford is building in mexico, nabisco is building in mexico. i love mexico. i have thousands of hispanics that work for me. when i won nevada, i love the hispanics. have thousands of hispanics at work for me and they are great people.
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nevada, i wonin with hispanics. we have these eggheads -- we call them they elites. half of them can't tie their shoes. they say donald trump is not a free trader. it has to be smart. it has to be even trade. we cannot have trade where we 58 billionnces like with mexico. we can't lose 500 billion a year with china. here is what we do. we tell carrier -- and i want to do it myself but they are going to say it's not presidential. i'm not supposed to be -- maybe i will do it anyway. i will get carl icahn or i will it will all ber very good -- here is what happens. we call up carrier and we say i would like to congratulate you on your move to mexico.
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congratulations, i think it is wonderful. and many1400 people more, and by the way, united technologies is moving a lot of other divisions there too. if i'm elected, not going to happen. here is what i tell carrier -- i say congratulations. i hope you build a beautiful place and employ a lot of people from mexico, but you are hurting our country. every air-conditioning unit you make it across the border, which will be a real order now. single air-conditioning unit that you make that comes across the border, we will oppose a 35% tax on that. [applause] is, if little marco president, which isn't going to happen, or if flying -- lying
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ted is president, they're going to be called by their lobbyists and by the special interests, they will be called by donors and stockholders that gave the money for their campaigns -- by the way, i'm self funding. i've got my own money. i don't think i get any credit. i don't think anybody says in florida i'm voting for trump because he self-funded. that's a good reason to vote for me. all of these guys -- remember what i said -- all of these guys are bought and paid for, folks. they are not stupid people. they know it is bad to have carrier leave. they don't have to go to high school. here's what's going to happen. if rubio gets a call, if ted gets a call or hillary gets a call, they are going to say you can't do that. they contributed i've million dollars to your campaign and immediately, ok, you are right.
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nobody gave me anything. i feel so foolish. my whole life has been a life of a chelation. -- life of accumulation. i want to build more buildings. many, many buildings along miami. i want to build more. now i want to be greedy for the united states of america. i'm going to be so greedy for you people. and we have to be rich before we can be great again. these countries, we are protecting them for nothing. i'm a great messenger. they are going to love us.
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you are going to see changes made so fast. here is the story. every single person understands that is the right ink to do. kerry is -- carrier is going to president, say mr. we have decided we are not moving, sir. i know more formulas -- i know more about taxes and any other human being that god ever created. i will be the greatest jobs producing president god ever created. i will tell you that. [applause] carrier won't move. they will negotiate and move
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down to orlando. who the hell knows, but they are going to be in the united states. we have a chance to do something monumental. we cannot beat isis. we don't win with health care, we don't win with education, we don't win anymore. we are going to win with our military. we're going to build up our military intelligently, not even necessarily with such great cause. we're going to buy the weapons are generals and soldiers want, not the weapons we buy we buy because one company is politically stronger.
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it is slower and doesn't maneuver as well and is more costly because that country has punch because that other company is playing the general's watch. we are going to bid out the drugs and bid out everything. companies why are we going to bid on the drug companies? because the senators don't want that. so here's the story, we are going to start winning again like we've never one before. [applause] going toary, you are be so proud of it and we are going to knock the hell out of isis quickly. we're going to take care of our vets, take care of health care, take care of our borders. we are going to have really
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powerful borders and people are going to come into our country, but they are going to come into our country legally. legally. [applause] and you are going to remember this afternoon because we are all together. we are partners. you are going to remember this afternoon and you're going to fortwo years from now and years from now that this was one of the great afternoons i've ever spent. go and on theto 15th, you are going to vote. do it today, do it tomorrow. earlye going to go and vote. you all swore you are voting for trump. you can't change. [applause] you are going to be, and i promise, you are going to be so proud of your president and so proud of your country.
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