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>> i am sure that everyone across the house of commons will want to join me in paying tribute to david cairns, the member of parliament for inverclyde, who, very sadly, died on monday, aged just 44. i will always remember him as someone who was very quick- witted and sharply intelligent, and as someone who was an extremely kind and compassionate man. not many people can claim to have come to this house only because legislation was passed to allow them to come here, but as a former catholic priest that had to happen in his case, and the house was better off for that happening. to the house only because legislation was passed to allow them to come but as a catholic priest, that had to happen and the house is better for that happening. i'm sure everyone. join me to sending condolences to his partner, his friends and many constituents will miss his tireless work indeed.
i had meetings and should have further meetings. >> david cannes was a great parliamentarian and a great friend. this house voted overwhelmingly voted by a majority of 10 to 1 on continuing the ban on giving prisoners the dote since which time the european court of human rights has effectively ignored the will of this house, still insists the law be changed and has government until october on proposals. will her mani's government bend its knee to european court or will it stand up and insist that on this issue britain will not budge? >> my honorable friend from the house of commons has been given prisoners the vote. my own view is that the prisoners should not have the vote. we should be trying to reform
the european court as we are as my right honorable friend the justice secretary is leading the charge to make sure it pays for national judgment and national parliaments but at the same time we will have to consider our response to this issue and i want it to be as close as possible to the clearly expressed will of the commons. >> mr. speaker i want to pay tribute to our much loved colleague david cannes and his death is such a tragedy at a young age. he was, i think, what any member of parliament would aspiring to be in this house mr. speaker, he was warmed, principled and he was independent-minded even if that wasn't alway fund and for
the first time in a long time the number of doctors is growing very quickly and the number of bureaucrats is actually falling. >> mr. speaker, until the prime minister doesn't realize it would take seven years train a doctor and i would like to thank for his service on the nhs. i have to say to him -- if it's all going so well, why do we see the number of people waiting for
diagnosis waiting and why all these people waiting to get their tests. he didn't mention his top-down reorganization when he talked about his handling of the nhs. let me remind him what he said jua month ago, mr. speaker. he said i've been involved in designing these back way back with andrew lanzly. committee, therefore, confirm that the failing nhs plans are not the health secretary's vote. they're his. >> the leadership of the opposition has said that no change is not an option so what we're seeing is the usual empty opposition. now, i'm glad -- i'm glad that he mentioned waiting times because it was two weeks ago at that at that time dispatch box and he said and i quote waiting times have risen month on month under this government. that's not true. the figures which he had at the
time -- the figures showed that for inpatient waiting times they fell from 9.1 to 9 weeks and for out patient they went down from 4.3 weeks. that is the lowest per year. now, it is important when we come to this house and he and we make statements that are inaccurate we correct the record at the first available opportunity. hold on. [laughter] >> so we -- we like to take this opportunity to correct that specific mistake? >> no, mr. speaker. waiting time -- waiting times are rising. and i noticed he didn't even take the opportunity to take responsibility for the health policy. where is the health secretary after all? where is the health secretary? and i have to say to him -- i have to say to him, it's becoming a patent with this prime minister, mr. speaker, because this morning in the
papers we see the university's minister being jumped on his for his tuition fees policy. we see the school secretary being dumped on the free schools policy and the poor deputy prime minister -- he just gets jumped on every day of the week. now, he must -- he must believe that something has gone wrong with his health policy, mr. speaker, because he launched his so-called listening exercise. now, can he reassure doctors, nurses and patients that it's a genuine exercise? >> of course it is a genuine exercise. but let me be clear he is wrong on the waiting times. the figures are clear. i will place them in the library of the house of commons. waiting times went down last month and he ought to have the guts and the courage to correct the record when he gets wrong. he asks about my health secretary perhaps i can remind him what his health secretary said. he said this week the general
aims of the reforms are sound. that is what he said. he said earlier i have no problem with the broad aim of the changes and went on to praise them. i went on to see looking at this, it all reminds me of labour 30 years ago. they had a leader with the ratings of michael foote and he was being undermined by a man named healy. >> the makeover didn't last very long because flashman is back. but, of course, fleischman -- the thing is fleischman doesn't answer the question so let me try the question on him again. what committee explain why the chief executive of the nhs sir david nickolson wrote to nhs staff on the 13th of bringing after his so-called pause does begun and he said this, the nhs staff, and i quote, press on
with implementation of the plan. mr. speaker, that doesn't sound alike a pause to me. and we want to guarantee an nhs free at the point of use available on need rather than ability to pay and unlike the party option that is now cutting the nhs in wales, this government will put more money into the nhs. now he talks about what is in the newspapers today. he ought to be looking at the gps representing 7 million patients who are writing to the papers today to say this is evolution and not revolution. it's good for patients and it's going to help and i quote some of our most vulnerable people in our community. now he asks -- i admit i have to accept some of the recent cultural repairs, michael winner, benny hill. i accept a little bit out of date but i have to say i look at the honorable gentleman who told
us the fight -- the fight back -- who told us -- who told us the fight back would start in scotland before going down to a massive defeat. it rather reminds me of eddie the eagle. >> ed miliband. >> mr. speaker, let them congratulate him on getting 42 gps to write to the daily telegraph supporting his plans. the royal college of gps represents 42,000 gps. and they say this. from the prime minister who said he would protect the nhs, they say this and i thought he would be embarrassed about this. they say his plans will cause irreparable damage to the core values of the nhs and the truth is -- i don't even if he knows this but the truth is, his pause is nothing more than a sham.
>> why isn't the honorable gentleman for once in his life deal with the substance of the reform. the truth of the matter is this, he has said -- he has said quite rightly that no change is not an option. we believe no change is not an option. that is what the overwhelming amount of people in the nhs feel. look at the elements of the reform. gp fund holding started under labour now improved under this coalition. foundation hospitals started under labour now being taken forward by this coalition. payment by results so we make sure we get good value for money in the nhs. started under labour, now being carried forward because of this coalition. that's the point he should be sellersly engaging in how we make sure we have a strong nhs for all our people for the future. instead we have empty opposition which got him absolutely nowhere last week.
in a phrase he's familiar with his calm down, calm down dear. calm down. he breaks his promises and he doesn't think things through and when the going gets tough he dumpses on his colleague on a day when waiting lists are rising, it confirms what you always knew about the tories, you can't trust the tories on the nhs. >> what we've seen is just the product of empty opposition and weak leadership. it is this government that's putting more money into the nhs. it's this government that's putting money into the cancer drugs fund. it's this government that's having the numbers of doctors and nurses grow while bureaucrats shrinks.
there's only one party you can trust on the nhs and it's the one that i lead. >> order, order. there's far too much shouting in this chamber. this is a very bad example to set for the nation's school children. >> thank you, mr. speaker. a slightly calmer question. i'm sure the prime minister that the fate of an incurable brain disease was transferred through the blood instruments. the professor have processes a deactivation instrument and a blood test for various chd both of which could and should protect the public.
unfortunately there's been a small financial hiccup in progressing these prus. and will he meet me the professor to discuss the potential process. >> my honorable friend raises an important point about a very dangerous disease and i'll be certainly to raise a meeting probably between him and professor sally davis the chief medical office to discuss this. he will know there have been various research studies done into the impact of variant chd on the population and we don't have all the answers we need. since 1990 there have been funding of the national chd to the tune of 18 million pounds and through the medical research council we have committed to provide 32 million pounds to the national preon unit between 2010 and 2014. and that should be the money that gets to the answers that he so badly wants to see. >> thank you very much,
mr. speaker. the protection from harassment act in 1997 has served its purpose rather well over the years. but recently there's been a huge increase in its instance of cyberstalking. will the president in due course meet with myself and members that are concerned about this issue? >> i'm very happy to hold that meeting with him. and what we are doing is trying to make sure is right across-the-board we take cybercrime seriously because there's a huge growth of cybercrime very often it is about trying to take people's money. very often it's actually about espionage but the point he makes about harassment is also important and we need to make sure that the strategy dealing with cybertakes full account of what he says. >> the labour government took britain to the brink of bankruptcy.
the gap between rich and poor widens and nearly 4 million children were left living below the poverty line. last month the coalition government cut income tax, literally helping millions of people. but i have to ask the prime minister this, if we are all in this together, what is he going to do about the obscenity of 1,000 multimillionaires boosting their personal -- their personal wealth, their personal wealth by 18% in the last year? >> one of the things we absolutely will do and put the money to make sure it happens is to crack down on the tax evasion that takes place so widely in our country and the treasury have put money into that campaign to make sure that it happens. but he makes a good point. that because of our coalition government, we have lifted a million people out of income tax and at the same time over the last year we see exports up, we see private sector jobs up.
we see the economy growing and we see borrowing down, all radically different to what have happened if we'd listened to the party opposite. >> on the subject of antiopposition, the prime minister castigated its predecessor for not prescribing the radical organization when the prime minister was in office week. mr. speaker, i had like to give him the opportunity to castigate himself? [laughter] >> well, that's very kind of the honorable gentleman to give me that opportunity. we are clear that we've got to target groups that actually promote extremism and not just violent extremism. we have prescribed one or two groups. i would like to see action against them and that is underway right now. >> can my right honorable friend tell me about the estimates have been made of the director
general on the cbi on the government's deficit reduction plan? >> well, the point -- the point the cbi made and they have not always in their history supported action to tackle deficits and to get on top of bad public finances but on this occasion they are absolutely four behind the action the government has taken and they were asked if we would follow the ideas of the party opposite, and they said the economy would be lost because of the loss of confidence in the markets if we did not have a clear program to reduce the deficit over this parliament we would have seen a significant rise in our interest rates and growth would have been eroded rather than more than it has been. that is the view of the cbi. the experts are the heart of british industry who say you cannot trust labour with the economy. >> wayne david? >> last week we had an excellent result in wales for the labour part
party. >> would the prime minister, given his federal election best of commitment and the commitment of the liberal democrats, what progress hey made so far on reforming the rule. >> and we have a common approach to whales but i have to say to him actually if that is his definition of success, then, i suppose, he's going to be a happy man. he should spend a little bit of time his colleague said about labor's performance in scotland which was this. labour deserved to lose. we insulted the intelligence of our voters by peddling a myth. that is what happened. i know you don't want to hear about scotland but you ought to hear about it. >> thank you, mr. speaker. conservative-controlled structure council have managed to make savings of 30 million pounds whilst protecting front line services. part of that has been a
reduction in salaries for counselors and senior managers. will the prime minister japan me in graduating the council on this achievement? and are they not a shining example for other councils up and down the county to follow? >> my honorable friend makes a very good point which is up and down, council have been able to reduce back office bureaucracy and pay down on council allowances and all of those things in order to protect front line services. it's happened in many parts of the country and it's an example that should be followed. >> tom watson. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister told me the hacking inquiry should go where the evidence leads. it leads the parents of the children and rogue intelligence officers. he knows of more sinister forms of cybercrime. the lord is calling for judicial inquiry. please will you award one now prime minister before the avalanche of new evidence forces you into doing so? >> well, i think there is a real
problem with super fear which that would effectively do with the criminal investigations that are taking place. so i think the most important thing is to allow that criminal investigation to take place. and as i said to him before, make sure the police and the prosecuting authorities can follow the evidence wherever it leads. i think that is the most important thing to happen. >> thank you, mr. speaker. does my honorable friend agree that the story of robin hood has parallels with a government that is taxing bankers to build a big city, city fat cats to fund taxes for lower earners and oil barons to take up fuel prices. will he have members disaffected to join the government that helps the poor and takes away from the rich? >> my honorable friend has made a big point. it's this government that has taxed the oil companies at the time when the oil prices are
high to cut petroduties in order to help people in our country. with a contrast in the party opposite where the banks gave fr fred guber a knighthood. >> can the prime minister tell the house what risk assessment he has made of london mr. and mrs. services decision to cut 20% of its work force including 560 front line nhs staff. >> well, i have london's emergency services some of the challenges that they face not least about the olympics but also the terrorist threat they face. all organizations in this country are having to make savings and efficiencies and try to concentrate on the front line. now, that is what is happening in police. that is what is happening elsewhere.
but the point in ambulance is that we are saving spending on nhs. if we hadn't proposed that it wouldn't be happening. we'd listen to the party aincluding the former health spokesman who spoke earlier and that would help everyone else. >> did the prime minister share the shadow chancellor's view that the government should adopt president obama's pace in deficit reduction. >> for months they've been telling us that we should follow the memory approach and the obama deficit reduction is as fast and deep as the proposals of the u.k. so one of the planks.
>> can i also join with david concerns by the prime minister david, of course, served with distinction as a minister in northern ireland during the period there and many people had very, very great respect for the work that he did in northern ireland. the u.k.'s contribution for the open companies which find themselves in financial difficulties amounts to half of the savings made in the deficit reduction plan in the united kingdom this year, a fact i think which will stagger many people and appall them in this country. can the prime minister give us an assurance that the u.k. will make no further contributions to those countries who got in financial difficulties -- >> i think we got the thrust for it and we're grateful. >> can i congratulate the honorable member on his re-election to the northern irish assembly. the only direct money is to the republic of ireland and i think
it's in our national some and i would say in the interest of northern ireland that we don't see a collapse in the comply in the republican and i think that was a difficult decision but the right decision to make. the other contingent liabilities in britain flow through the finance mechanism in europe which we didn't have on the establishment of and get rid of when the new arrangements come in 2013 and we'll do everything we can to safe gathered britain's finances. >> come the prime minister confirm that if any part of the united kingdom decided to leave the union, that while part of the national debt would follow them, a continuation of subsidy from the remaining british taxpayers would not? >> of course, i can confirm that but i believe everyone in this house who believes in the united kingdom and the future of the united kingdom should join together and make sure we fight off the threat of the idea of breakup of our united kingdom. now, i don't believe we will
achieve that through threats or by saying that small countries can't make it. i believe the way that we'll make that argument is by saying being part of the united kingdom is good for scotland and scotland is good for the rest of the united kingdom. i want to make an optimistic case why we're better together. that is what all of us who support the union should do and i for one should play our part. >> campbell. >> nobody asked for it and nobody wanted it except for the libera liberals. yet, yet, yet, prime minister, a few weeks ago 70% of the british people want a referendum on europe. it's in the liberal manifesto but that doesn't mean much, it's
more than half of your members want a referendum as well. >> the honorable gentleman says that the referendum that nobody wanted, it was in his manifesto. i know -- i know that it was a pretty tough document and he might have a word with the author but i would recommend you read for the manifesto before you stand for the party. >> given the high level of demand for the public to attend the consultation events on the future of children's cardiac services in south hampton, will my right honorable members call for different events to the maximum number of people in the wider second scenario can participate? >> i would certainly agree with the honorable lady and indeed in the review of child cardiac services there are -- this affects my constituency as well
as hers. people are talking about how south hampton should work together. there should be as many events, as much transparency as possible. and as much explanation as possible about why if specialization is nation, about why that is necessary and why that is good for patients because in the end that must be the test in everything that we do in the nhs. >> allen whitehead. >> we know from a number of ministers who think of the budget proposed by the climate change committee. when he does he think about it? will he be pressing for the adoption of that budget when a cabinet meeting will be responding on. >> it's very important we get this right. we have strict timetables and targets laid out in terms of our carbon reduction and this government is committed to making sure we meet those. >> closed question, mr. richard bacon, number 12, sir. >> we are very concerned that
the nhs i.t. department is an issue we raised repeatedly in opposition. even in 2008, delivery of the care record system is likely taker four years more than planned. since coming into government we've reviewed the projects with the intention to make the best of what we inherited as a result of what we worked the government has cut 1.3 of the cost of the national program i.t. in the u.s. including planned savings of at least 500 million from computer sciences corporation. >> richard bacon. >> mr. speaker, does the prime minister agree that the nhs i.t. program will never deliver its early progress. and it has failed with lorenzo and rather than squandering 4.7 billion pounds that is still unspent, the solution is to negotiate a way forward which frees up billions of pounds for the benefit of patients? >> i agree with my honorable friend that we are absolutely determined to achieve better value for money and let me reassure him there are no plans to sign any new contract with
computer science cooperation until the authority reviews have taken place. the cabinet office will examine all the available options under the current contract including the option of terminating some or indeed all of the contract. >> question 13, sheila gillman. >> will the prime minister investigate while his program will be by private companies with only a 8% voluntary secretary component or will this not fly in scotland? >> i think if the honorable lady look at the details of who in scotland will be providing the voluntary sector price while i accepts for the lead for the voluntary bodies, i think she will see bigger and better for the voluntary sector. we should be doing even more to open up public services to