tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN April 4, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
that does it for this edition of "360." erin burnett "outfront" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com history calls on the ceo of ibm. will she answer? iran, is it playing a shell game with nukes? and the president making a very big move with a key group of voters. let's go "outfront." >> "outfront" tonight, it's time.
gypny rometty didn't ask for this, but she can make history. she's the ceo of ibm, one of three sponsors of the masters who pay upwards of $10 million a year for access to the 42 million viewers of the golf tournament. given this, the prior four ceos of ibm have all been given membership to augusta national. the iconic green jacket that goes with it became theirs. but gypny rometty as you see there is a woman and that makes all the difference at augusta national. the club has never invited a woman to join so this is a big moment for them. will they invite her, as they did each of her predecessors? rometty as we have said on this show is a woman to admire. 31 years at ibm. she graduated with a computer science degree from northwestern. her former boss, ibm's last ceo told "the new york times," quote, ginni got it because she deserved it. it's got zero to do with progressive social policies. so it might not surprise you to hear that ginni rometty isn't jumping on
this issue with the augusta national golf club. she's been silent. today it was augusta national's billy payne who addressed the media saying he wouldn't talk about membership. >> all issues of membership are now and have been historically subject to the private deliberations of the members, and that statement remains accurate and remains my statement. >> now, private clubs can do what they want, within reason. in 1990 ibm withheld its sponsorship of the pga championship in alabama in protest to the shoal creek club's refusal to allow black members. the club caved and so did augusta, which let its first black member in that year. then in 2003 the president of the national council of womens organizations, martha burk, protested female membership at augusta national. the masters pushed the public brouhaha aside going without any sponsors that year due to the public pressure being put on them. once it was done, the policy didn't change.
still no women. and sources today told me that the pressure on augusta and its sponsors this time is much less from the public. but this time might end differently. because this isn't about female memberships. this is about treating a major sponsor the way you have always treated a major sponsor. first of all, there's the precedent of her predecessors all being invited to join but secondly there's ginni herself. she is not a woman who made women's issues her cause but like any successful woman, she has dealt with them and here she is at last october's fortune women's summit. >> i can remember being offered a big job and i can remember my reaction to the person who offered it to me. i right away said, you know what, i'm not ready for this job. my husband at the time -- as usual i'm blah blah blahhing and he's just sitting there. he just looked at me and he said do you think a man would have ever answered that question that way? >> augusta national chairman billy payne may be waiting for the big photo op moment at the
masters with ginni by his side with the other sponsors in their green jackets. he might have already invited her to join. you don't want to jump to conclusions. maybe today was, hey, it's private and then they're going to come forward. if he doesn't, money talks. ginni rometty now controls ibm's marketing budget. with the company's contract with the masters worth a minimum of $10 million a year, she holds the cards. it's going to be interesting to see what happens there. nick gillespie joins me now. let me ask you, nick, are you surprised that ginni rometty has not been more outspoken on the issue? >> no, ibm is a flag corporation. i'm not surprised they're not on the ball on all of this type of stuff. i think private clubs should have the right to exclude people for whatever reasons they want. i also think that it's just idiocy on the part of augusta national if they don't extend the same courtesies that they have to previous sponsors to the current one. >> so this is not an issue of caving to pressure on women's rights, this is different?
>> it's part of that. golf has a problem in america. it only became a mass sport when it opened up to blacks, to women, to lower -- to middle class and lower class people. i think it should push for that. but again, they have the right to do it and i think people have the right to exclude, you know, watching the masters and actually if ibm wants to be party to a sport that is held at a club that would refuse the ceo of ibm, people should boycott ibm then. >> nicky nily is with us as well. what's your take listening to what nick had to say? do you agree or feel differently about this? >> no, i agree with nick. i think it makes good business sense for augusta to allow -- to extend membership to her. again, ibm doesn't have to sponsor them going forward. and all that being said, augusta is not the worst of the bunch. there actually is a club in maryland outside bethesda that used to -- all the presidents
used to belong to called burning tree and they don't allow women in the door. so this is not as bad. women can play at augusta. they just can't be members. >> and we should point to this in a way this is a story about progress because we're talking about a millionaire being excluded from a golf club that only gives out memberships to extremely rich people. we're not talking about a woman who couldn't become ceo of ibm. so with that as a backdrop, i mean it's kind of hard to get too worked up over this situation. >> you just hope that they will resolve it. i mean, the question is though, talking to sources today, there isn't a real public uproar on this. if they don't do anything, i mean maybe there won't be, nick. what would that say? >> it's interesting that in the past, sponsors have dropped out of sponsoring the masters because of the exclusive policies of the club it's held at. why not continue that. ibm really should -- i think ibm
should take a stand on this if they get kind of the back of the hand of the club. >> nicki, it would seem to me, i think it's pretty obvious how i feel about it, but that seems to be the right thing to do. last time around when martha burk was saying -- made this a big issue, there were three sponsors. there's always three. there were ibm, coke and citigroup. two of them never came back. it's interesting that ibm did when the club refused to change its policies to women. >> yeah, i mean on packing the virginia rometty issue from what's going on is will this have an impact on companies promoting women to ceos in the future. if we suddenly become a wealthy corporation and if we have an opportunity to sponsor the masters, will we or will we not. absolutely not. she's serving as a good, strong role model and that's a positive influence for women. ibm, as you said, can really make an influence in that they can influence the debate by sponsoring it next year or not, depending on how the masters
acts. >> nick, let me ask you a broader question here. you want the government out of people's business, so private clubs. this is obviously -- and you made it clear how you stand on this specific issue. but in general, private club that say do things that are offensive, exclude people, that offend some people. is that okay? >> yeah, i think it is. for the same rights that they have to exclude people, give people the right to give social -- on them and what do you with groups, organizations, like churches or charities that have really strong ideological or theological views. we don't want to live in a world that's filled with prejudice and with bigotry but we don't want to live in a world where they can't take a stand and can create the world they want. as long as it's peaceful, you should allow it to continue and use outrage and public discussion to change people's minds. >> nick and nicki, thank you very much. appreciate both of you taking the time. obviously tee-off is tomorrow,
so we will be eagerly, avidly awaiting. all right, nuclear talks with iran have hit a major hurdle today. we have some late-day reporting on that. mitt romney has accused of -- the president of hiding something. is he? and whitney houston's final autopsy report. we have the full details coming out. sanjay gupta comes outfront with the details. no matter where you go. no matter what you do. when you're living with moderate to severe crohn's disease,
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a possible delay in talks with iran over its nuclear program tonight. these were the first talks in more than two years and they're scheduled for the end of next week in istanbul. but today the iranian foreign minister said not so fast. in fact they say they haven't set on istanbul and they want to talk about possibly other locations. the iranians offered to meet in china or baghdad. asked about the last-minute changes, secretary of state hillary clinton said time is running out for iran. >> the time for diplomacy is not infinite. and all options remain on the table. to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. >> this is -- this could
possibly be a serious issue because it's not just about a venue. a venue could be part of a broader stalling tactic and the nuclear issue with iran is one of the most important in the world right now. william cohen is former secretary of defense and he's outfront tonight. secretary cohen, first let me ask you how much should we read into this? is this literally just a change of venue or is this opening the door to undefined delays? >> i think it's a typical iranian tactic. first of all, we have to start with the premise the iranians are not interested in reaching any kind of agreement. they are not interested in producing a nuclear power, they're interested in acquiring nuclear weapons. if it was just nuclear power for civilian and peaceful purposes, they could have done that in the open and would have had international support. they had a covert program nearly two decades. they have kicked out the iae inspectors from time to time. if they want a program, let the inspectors come in and conduct full inspections without any hiding and seeking on this and
go forward so that you can join the international community and have a nuclear power for peaceful purposes. so they're not interested in that. what they're interested in doing is stalling. engaging in obfuscation. now it's an issue of, well, the site is wrong. well, if we change the site, then the shape of the table will be wrong. so you can see they're trying to put president obama and the others in a position of caving in to them on the little issues so that when the time comes to the big issues, they'll be able to stall even more. i think it's just a tactic. i think time is running out. i think the more they do this, it conveys to everybody the understanding they're not really serious about wanting to reach an agreement that prevents a war from taking place. >> i'm curious, secretary cohen, as secretary clinton says time for diplomacy is not infinite. is this rhetoric going to heat up again? i mean, again, it comes into this huge question of what is the timing that we're talking about and what is it that the united states is talking about
doing when that clock theoretically runs out? >> well, as we know, there are two different clocks running here. the israelis have a much narrower time frame as far as they're concerned. the president of the united states has said we need to pursue diplomacy for as long as we conceivably can, reasonably can. if that proves to be a failed option, then we'll look to the military option as a last resort. i think what they're doing now is they're looking at a win-win situation. if they can paint the president as caving in to the site location, then they can make him look weak to the republicans, to be sure, but also to the other members of the national security council. so i think that they will cave in at some point on the little things, but stall on the big issues, which are you really willing to sit down and negotiate an end to your pursuit of nuclear weapons? i don't think they are. >> secretary cohen, my question though it may come to this, the american people.
the u.s. doesn't have proof of what iran is doing. it thinks it knows what iran is doing but it's not sure. if it's not going to have that proof, maybe the american people will never be willing to do any kind of strike and would be willing to let iran, if that's what they are actually doing, go ahead and acquire that nuclear weapon. >> that may be the case. i think that the israelis are looking at that as a conceivable option. the issue then will be will israel take action whether the united states is supporting them or not. so this is one of the big issues that need to be resolved. some people say let them have a nuclear weapon. well, that means the gate is open, others will want the same thing and then we have a situation of proliferation of nuclear technology. is the world safer with that taking place? i think not. can iran be deterred from launching a nuclear weapon attack against israel, the united states? or a european capital? i think deterrents will work in those cases. but it's not deterrence here. the issue is once iran gets nuclear weapons, others will want it. then that means the entire world is at greater risk of a nuclear
weapon at some point in time being exploded. that's the situation we don't want to see take place. so i hope that china in particular will come down very hard. they have said rhetorically they're opposed to them getting a nuclear weapon. now is the time for china and russia to put more effort and more meat behind the sanctions. >> thank you very much, secretary cohen. we appreciate it. it's going to be a very tough decision for the president and what he does if this is a delay. now to politics. the next phase of the white house has begun because now you have president obama versus former massachusetts governor mitt romney. all right, it's not formally there yet, but, you know. we're there. okay, full steam ahead. after winning three primaries yesterday, he has ignored his republican rivals and focused squarely on the fall election just a day after president obama launched a very harsh attack on the republican party, romney went on the exact same stage where the president stood yesterday and, well, he returned fire. >> the president came here
yesterday and railed against arguments no one is making. and criticized policies no one is proposing. it's one of his favorite strategies, setting up straw man to distract us from his record. while i understand the president doesn't want to run on his record, he can't run from his record either. >> our political panel is here. john avlon, ryan salon and jamal simmons is washington. great to see you all. jamal, do you think this was a good attack? >> i do actually. i think -- i'm not sure it really holds water in the sense that he can make it effectively over the course of the next six months but i do think he's on a better track than he was. when you're running for president, getting to these questions of character and qualities of leadership are really where people make the decision about who they want to elect to be the president. i think mitt romney is trying to zero in on that. this is a reminder to my democratic friends that although the primaries have been very hard on mitt romney, he does really have a chance to reset the clock and try to get a
better stab at it. he's got a vice presidential pick coming up, a convention coming up, he's got new arguments he can make. i just don't think this attack works over time because he doesn't have enough evidence to prove it out of president obama, but it is a better strategy than the one he was waging before. >> john avlon, what jamal says brings me to this point about the independents. 40% of people say they're independent. i know they say they lean one way or another. in december 39% of them would vote for obama, 46% for mitt romney and that's now flipped, 48 for the president, 39% for mitt romney. >> that's right. >> how set in stone are those views? how much could they change? >> there is still time to make the case and to move the independents. they are swing voters, they are persuadables. they are not hard partisans. this is a big deal. this is a sea change over four months, a complete reversal. the advantage romney had to advantage obama. that is directly a reaction to the cost of the republican primaries. the further they have dragged the candidates to the far right,
the more they have alienated the independents. that is the tale of the tape here. it is a big deal and mitt romney will have to take serious action to counter balance that because he cannot lose the independents and win the presidency. >> one thing i think that will be really interesting, we'll have to see what happens to gas prices. they're up 20% this year and as they have risen, the president's approval rating has taken a hit. i mean, people think he can do a lot about gas prices. let's put whether a president can or can't aside for a second and just acknowledge the fact this is going to be a political fight. the president is coming out running an ad trying to pit mitt romney as friends of big oil. here he is. >> why is big oil attacking him? because he's fighting to end their tax breaks. he's raising mileage standards and doubling renewable energy. in all these fights, mitt romney stood with big oil, for their tax breaks. >> mitt romney says it's unfair and he fired back. >> obama attack machine has started.
spending millions to sling mud or oil at mitt romney. why? because in the five states where obama is attacking romney, gas prices are roughly doubled, but obama's mud can't cover up his failed energy policies. >> who's the winner there? in that duelling ad war? >> i've got to say i think romney has a very strong case for a very simple reason. all of the tax breaks for the oil and gas industry amount to about $4.4 billion a year. if you get rid of the most important of them, the break for so-called intangible drilling costs, then natural gas prices will go up by about $11.5 billion for consumers. that is you get back $4.4 billion for the tax man and then consumers have to give up $11.5 billion. so it looks like a good deal. oh, we're attacking big oil. it's actually going to be something that hits the pocketbooks of every american who counts on
natural gas. not only that, but also a lot of those states, the utica shale formation in ohio, the marcellus shale in pennsylvania, upstate new york, these are all areas where natural gas development is a huge economic boon. so do you really want to sock those guys and that big development with these big new tax increases? i think romney has a strong case to make and i think he'll press that case more and more. >> that is a very nuanced discussion though. >> it is. reihan make a good point and particularly in swing states like pennsylvania. this is nothing the obama campaign or obama administration wants to squelch. i don't think ending a long-term tax incentive amounts to an outright tax hike. it's been a benefit baked in the cake for oil companies for decades and decades. but i think it's a great point to not wanting to stop the shift to the natural gas. that could occur and be a win/win for the american economy. >> that break has been there since 1913, for what it's worth.
>> there's also another point that the president was trying to get to which you see in some of the polling when you talk to people who are focused on this. people in america do feel like there are two sets of rules. the big boys on top who play by their own rules and everybody else who gets stuck with the bill. when we're talking about solving the deficit, growing the economy, entitlements might have to get reformed. why should we give tax breaks to companies who make billions in profits while everybody else is being asked to give up some. >> thanks very much to you. that's when you hear the small numbers here, people don't care, right? it's about fairness and righting that. we'll see how it plays out. total student loan debt in america is a crisis for people on both sides of the political spectrum. it crossed the trillion dollar mark this year. not surprising given the rising costs of college tuition. but there is another form of student debt that is rising. loans taken out by parents to pay for the cost of sending their children to private school
deb farric joins us with the story. it's amazing how early in life this is happening and how late in life it's affecting people. >> that's right. you start your debt in kindergarten. chances are it's going to take you a long time to pay it off. it's a rite of passage for so many moms and dads in particular cities. they pull out all the stops, anxiously trying to get their 4 and 5-year-olds into kindergarten. there are tests, personal essays, letters of recommendation, interviews for both the parents and kids. and if the child succeeds in getting in, the price, upwards of $30,000 a year and that's not including any of the extras. we spoke with a former new york city admissions director. she advises parents on how to get in. >> what percentage of parents now are taking out loans? >> it's very difficult to put a percentage on something like that because parents are very quiet about taking out the loans. there's a big piece of keeping up with the joneses and they don't want anyone to know that they can't afford the tuition, even those families that are receiving financial aid are very
quiet about it. >> what's so fascinating is that with more families actually staying in cities, the demand for private schools even at that price keeps going up and up. the competition even greater. so there is a real growing demand for loans to pay for k through 12, erin. >> deb, what percentage of families are taking out loans for k through 12? >> this is what's so interesting. if you think about it, it's $30,000. well, for a parent to cover that before taxes, you have to make about $45,000 to $50,000. 23% of families are now opting to take out loans. that's just under one in five who are taking out the loans. they have been going up every five years and the rates are rather high. you know, you've got in some cases, you've got about 7.25%. in another case 13.82%. there is a fixed rate of 3.99, but all of that you have to
qualify for. so 200 grand in a city like new york city, it's all relative. >> that is unbelievable. i mean it dwarfs what people pay for mortgages. it's a stunning number. i know people say they're doing this because their kid is going to get into a great college or get a better job or it pays off over time. does it? >> well, you know, i asked dana whether in fact there was some sort of a guarantee that a child would do better in life or do better in terms of career success. and there is no hard and fast rule about that. you know, one of the reasons that parents really want to send their kids to these schools is because it is a guaranteed education. a sort of central hard-core basic education. kids are not just studying so they can pass a state or city exam. they're really learning. you know, i know a child in middle school who was learning about the euphrates river, so the level of learning is really quite high. there are all these extracurricular activities,
physical education, art, in some cases fashion design, whatever you want to take. so it is, it's something that in fact parents are willing to do. but think about it, $800,000 for k through 12. and that's only for one child, erin. >> it's just -- >> god forbid you have a brother or sister. >> it's obscene. whitney houston's final autopsy report was released late this afternoon and sanjay gupta has been through it. he's outfront with the details. plus the latest in the trayvon martin case. today the results of george zimmerman's voice stress test. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. so you see everything the way it's meant to be seen. maybe even a little better. experience life well lit, ask for transitions adaptive lenses. visit seemoresights.com for your chance to win the ultimate sightseeing dream vacation and more great prizes. brought to you by transitions lenses,
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our reporting, do the work and find the outfront five. up first, we're now learning about the real damage caused by yesterday's tornados in texas. the red cross telling us at least 650 homes are damaged, 200 more destroyed, but still there are no reported deaths. our weather team tells us between 6 and 13 tornados touched down, including one in forney that had winds up to 150 miles an hour. that is the same twister that storm chaser jason mclaughlin recorded and he was shocked by the amount of damage he saw from it. number two, the united nations confirmed what outfront has been saying more than a week that al qaeda is becoming a growing threat in northern mali. two weeks after a military coup seized power in the country, the u.n. security council called for
an end to violence and return to constitutional rule. there have been reports of violence in the north and power outages across the country. an american is working and living in the capital and he came outfront earlier today. >> things are mostly calm here, but it's pretty clear that we're going to start having some problems. there's still commercial banks that you're able to get money from, but the central bank has been shut down. people are stocking up on fuel an -- and basic essentials. in the north of the country there's at least two rebel groups that have effectively taken control of all of north mali right now. there's a lot of different reports about looting and there's been allegations of vandalism, of rape even. a lot of people are afraid to leave their homes. it's unclear who's really in charge because the military fled and the two rebel groups don't really see eye to eye, so it's not really clear who's in charge.
>> the economic community of west african states has placed 3,000 troops on stand by to try to deal with the coup. number three, posttraumatic stress disorder could be inherited. this is according to ucla scientists who linked ptsd to two genes involved in serotonin production. the researchers extracted the dna from families who had people who suffered ptsd symptoms after surviving the 1988 armenian earthquake. ptsd affects 7% of americans and it has become a pressing health issue for many of the war veterans returning from iraq and afghanistan. the researchers say that if confirmed, the findings could lead to new ways to screen people at risk and target specific treatments. number four, it's been 44 years since reverend martin luther king was assassinated on a hotel balcony in memphis. since then, more than 900 u.s. cities have named streets after the civil rights leader, with one big exception, the city where he was killed. that was corrected today when a one-mile stretch of linden avenue where king marched in
support of striking sanitation workers were renamed dr. mlk jr. avenue. if he was alive today to see it, he would have been 83 years old. it has been 244 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? there was a new report today on jobs from adp that says the private sector added 209,000 jobs in march. that's in line with economists' expectations and that's a number that would continue to bring the unemployment rate down. we have some breaking news tonight. whitney houston, found face down in her hotel bathtub when she was found dead but she may have been there for more than half an hour. this is according to the full autopsy report which was just released late this afternoon from the l.a. county coroner's office. sanjay gupta joins me on the line. he's had a chance to go through it. what do you see in there? >> well, it's a pretty extensive autopsy report, as you might imagine. a lot of anticipation. 42 pages. and, you know, there's a lot of detail in here, but it pretty
much confirms what the initial findings were. you know, you have the initial finding a couple of weeks ago, if you remember, and at that time it was pretty brief, but what they said was that, you know, a combination of cocaine use in a woman who had a history of atherosclerotic disease, that means hardening of the arteries in her heart. those two things in combination led to her accidental drowning. so the autopsy report confirmed a lot more details about what was also found in the bathroom where she was found. the other medications that were found in there, for example. also some of the specific testimony from her assistant, who was the person who had been with whitney houston before she died and also came back to the hotel room and found whitney houston. so they were putting this altogether. a couple of points medically that they put across in this report was that she didn't have
cocaine that was found in her system, in her blood specifically but they also found the breakdown products of cocaine. that's important mainly because it suggests, as had been speculated by the coroners earlier that she had been taking cocaine recently but that she had also probably taken it within the last 12 hours to 15 hours as well. it would take that long for some of the previous cocaine to break down into those metabolites. so again, it doesn't change the cause of death, accidental drowning, but that's how they put it together. >> i know the autopsy report said she was found in 13 inches of water. you mentioned that it was very careful going through everything found in the bathroom. i wanted to put that screen up again and just read some of these out. an ashtray with multiple cigarette butts, small spoon with white crystal-like substance. rolled up piece of white paper. bottle of prescription medications. remnants of white powdery substance and portable mirror. obviously,
you hear that and it makes you think one thing. >> sure. >> is that sort of your takeaway, this sort of supports what you're saying about cocaine? >> yeah, i think so. and, you know, it's important because there was a lot of speculation around the other medications that had been found, including medications known as benzodiazepines which are anti-anxiety medications. and while there was these medications found in her blood, one of the important things that came out today, erin, that i think sort of answered a question mark, because people kept asking how do you know it wasn't a combination of those other medications that led to this. the concentrations were pretty small. so when they're doing an autopsy report like this, they're looking specifically at levels, figuring out how much does she weigh, how much of an impact would these medications have had on her and putting it altogether and saying, look, we don't think it was those other medications. we think the cocaine specifically caused some sort of heart event. it could have been it caused a
disturbance in the way that the heart beats, an arrhythmia it's called. it could have caused her to have significant loss of blood flow to her heart, something that is a precursor to a heart attack. whatever it was, when she went into the water, she was still alive. it was subsequent she drowned. they know that -- and it's a tough thing to talk about. the way they know that is because she was still alive when she went into the water, she would breathe some of that water into her lungs and that's exactly what they found was some of that water in fact in her lungs. >> thank you very much, sanjay gupta, who has been combing through that autopsy report which is incredibly detailed. we also have some news in the trayvon martin story tonight. a new attorney for george zimmerman says that he believes his client acted in self defense. the reason for this is in part because zimmerman says -- he said he passed a voice stress test during questioning. now authorities in sanford confirmed to cnn that the police department does use voice stress tests. they're not going to confirm
directly that they gave one to zimmerman after the shooting, but we wanted to look into this and find out for you what a voice stress test is and what it actually says and whether it's reliable. our legal contributor paul callan is here. paul, good to have you with us. we looked into this voice stress test to try to figure out what it is since obviously it appears that it's going to be key in why they chose to not arrest him. it appears that the sanford police department has used a voice stress test from a company called cvsa before and the company has a video on its website that says what it is. here's what it is. let me show you. >> the cvsa is a patented solution that's become the truth verification device of choice for law enforcement, military, intelligence and other investigators the world over. upon closer inspection, it's easy to see why. an interviewer simply asks a series of questions. as the subject speaks, the computer displays each voice pattern. the cvsa then automatically analyzes these voice patterns to detect deceptive reactions.
the interview process is that straightforward. >> it sounds like a lie detector or polygraph test. >> it sounds similar, but this is sort of the holy grail of truth telling. with a lie detector, you've got to hook wires up and measure skin galvanic response. blood pressure. this is just measuring sound waves that are emanated when you talk and they look at it on a screen and theoretically they can tell whether you're telling the truth or not. it's kind of scary. somebody could have this machine set up in a room and you walk in and they'll know whether you're telling the truth or not. i don't buy it. >> sanford police department is not the only department that uses it. thousands of departments across the country use it. i know the results aren't admissible in court so what does this do? >> they're not admissible in court. and i think that's the key thing. you look at that ad and they're talking about everybody using it, the military, the police. well, the courts don't accept it because the science on this just isn't there at this point in time. i'm not saying it won't be at
some point in time, but to think that you're going to base a murder prosecution on this brand new science, it's not going to happen. we've heard now in this trayvon martin case on both sides there was a witness who came forward last week and said that he had analyzed the stress emanating on one of the calls and it supported the trayvon martin side of the story. so i'm not buying into it and i don't think the courts will either. >> all right, paul callan, thank you. a woman was raped and forced into prostitution. she broke free and she is now running for city council. john avlon brings us this remarkable story. and google glasses are here, although we were unable to get a pair. but we are going to show you exactly what the world would look like if you put these new glasses on. we promise, we've got that for you. 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle
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and now an incredible story of survival. in 1989 terry williams was raped and forced to turn tricks. today she's running for a seat on the portland, oregon, city council. our john avlon has her story. >> there used to be nothing down here but crackheads. nobody was out here. >> reporter: in the summer of 1989, jeri williams was viciously raped by ten men. after they finished, she was locked in a room, let out only to turn tricks, forced to return after she met her nightly quota. >> 15 dates a night, seven days a week. and then i'd go home and my pimp
would cavity search me to make sure i wasn't hiding any money from him. >> reporter: her story is heart breaking but all too typical for victims of sex trafficking. married at age 19, she had four children before her husband turned abusive. scared with no one to turn to, she fled to portland and moved in with a friend. that friend turned out to be a former prostitute who was in the business of trading women to the crips gang for crack cocaine. jeri's nightmare had just begun. >> if you could for a moment just imagine what it would take for you to stand out on this street half naked and let some crazy stranger pull up and you would have sex with them. >> reporter: it would be months before jeri was able to escape and begin her long path to recovery. >> i've changed like this neighborhood has changed, which is why i like coming here. >> reporter: now a 50-year-old grandmother of eight, she is using her past to combat human trafficking. >> hi, how are you? are you a portland voter? >> reporter: jeri is running for the portland city council in a campaign that proves that life
can go on when the nightmare ends. >> i think any time a person has a bad deck dealt to them in life and they can still come up triumphant, i think that is an inspiration and a beacon of hope to people that are in that similar situation. >> reporter: and she has a lot of support. >> she brings a lot of good assets to the job. she's smart. she's honest. she's approachable. she's what you would want to see in an elected official. >> and we are going to see her now. jeri williams joins us. thank you so much. it's an -- it's impossible for me to even comprehend your story and what you have been through. how did you do it? how did you get to where you are now after going through that hell? >> well, i got stabbed and left for dead and i got out of the life. my pimp was arrested on different charges.
i had to go through therapies and hundreds of aa and na meetings. lots of therapy. there was an organization called the council for prostitution alternatives. i ended up living in a shelter for 14 months, going through full-blown posttraumatic stress disorder. i had to get a job so i could get my children. and just worked really hard. i became an organizer with the workers organizing committee fighting toxics, which was my first way of fighting back abusers. and went from that organize working with jobs with justice, chairing jobs with justice and then working to be the executive director of the environmental justice action group. fighting pollution in portland and then got asked to work at the city. i went to the city when mayor tom potter was there, who is an incredible person. and i have been organizing in communities of color now for almost 17 years. >> how -- have you experienced any opposition in your run for
the council or has there on the other side been someone who supported you that you never thought would? >> my commissioner, who's my boss currently at the city, has given me tons of support. former mayor tom potter has given me tons of support. my church, which is about 500 members strong, prayed over me and that was my kickoff party with pastor mark strong at life change christian center. the biggest thing is when you're a nonfactor, you're not a known politician, you have no name recognition, so people just kind of -- they don't call you, they don't ask you to do news reports or anything else. they just kind of figure that you're a nobody. >> well, jeri, thank you very much. certainly somebody to recon with. thank you for being with us. we have google glasses. this is scary. this is like be careful when you go into the public bathroom kind of thing. and france squaring off with snooki. we've got the story. in alabama we had more beautiful blooms...
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so google is known for thinking outside the search box. they did invent the first driverless car. today they unveiled a computer you can wear. the project has been dubbed project glass. you look at it on that guy's face. it's an augmented reality glass that displays information to the wearer in front of your eyes. you can check the weather, read what people are texting you, take photos in the bathroom. you can even video chat.
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so the american children's network nickelodeon has been forced to scrap its french ad campaign. after facing stiff opposition from local groups. why? nickelodeon planned to place 13-foot statues of sponge bob square pants and his friends underwater near marseille. the idea is the children would see the statues and would want to watch the show. yeah. it kind of ruins the view. france said no. arguing the spectacular natural site should not be used for marketing purposes. nickelodeon eventually backed off. it's the latest example of the americanization of france. earlier this week it was
announced france is getting its own version of mtv's jersey shore. i am not kidding. a new show called the beach is set to premiere later in france this year. producers are currently searching for french actors and snooki. there's no translation for that. this has got to stop. we want the real france back, wine, culture, romance and a france americans campaign about too, rude, dismissive and snobby. some are even offended when someone says their wives are more beautiful than they are upon. >> this is the newest arrival since the sarkozy, so i want to congratulate them on the birth of julia. i informed him on the way in that i'm confident that julia inherited her mother's looks rather than her father's. >> see his face? wiped right of.