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400,000 new cases daily. hospitals are packed with covid patients. more than 100,000 tonight. this is the first time that it's happened in nearly four months. child hospitalizations are the highest they have ever been with more than 500 kids admitted each day over the weekending december 31st. so far cases are less severe. but the omicron wave is hitting so hard states and cities are struggling to keep schools, businesses and workplaces open as daily life is disrupted. flights cancelled, long lines for testing, americans desperate to get back to something even approaching normal. they want to know, when will all of this end? that is the fda today is authorizing pfizer booster shots for 12 to 15-year-olds but even now after everything we've been through, only about 62% of the u.s. population is fully vaccinated. and that's because of vocal minorities denying reality. we see it with millions of
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americans who believe covid misinformation and conspiracy theories putting their health and the health of their loved ones at risk by refusing the vaccines that are nothing less than a medical miracle. we see it with millions of americans who believe the big lie behind the attack on the capitol on january 6th. we see it with one in three americans who even as we're on the verge of the first anniversary of that brutal attack, one we saw with our very own eyes, police beaten to an i inch of their eyes after all this. 34% of americans think violent action against the government is sometimes justified. and in a eseparate poll, 62% of americans predict future violence expecting the losing side in future presidential elections to react violently while the january 6th committee is signaling its breaking down the former president's wall of
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obstruction learning what he was doing while his supporters were running riot at the street of our democracy. a source telling cnn a committee has information from multiple sources and that information is extremely damming. firsthand testimony from members of the then president's inner circle about what was happening behind closed doors at the white house on one of the darkest days in our nation's history. >> we know as he was sitting there in the dining room next to the oval office, members of his staff were pleading with him to go on television to tell people to stop. we know leader mccarthy was pleading with him to do that. we know members of his family. we know his daughter, we have firsthand testimony that his daughter ivanka went in at least twice to ask him to please stop this violence. >> well, tonight i'm going to talk to one of the brave police officers who risked his life to defend the united states capitol, a man i've gotten to know well and that's michael fanone. i want you to listen to what the
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january 6th chairman bennie thompson says about what they have learned. >> we have significant testimony that leads us to believe that the white house had been told to do something. we want to verify all of it so that when we produce our report and when we have the hearings, the public will have an opportunity to see for themselves. >> but here is the thing, even an absolute bombshell from the committee won't change the minds of people who bought into the big lie. nothing will change the minds of people who look at the bloodshed and destruction at the united states capitol and see or claim they see a tourist visit or black lives matter of antifa. even though the president of the united states could have stopped it, he had a duty to stop it and didn't. >> the president could have at any moment walked those very few steps into the briefing room, gone on live television and told
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his supporters who were assaulting the capitol to stop. he could have told them to stand down. he could have told them to go home. and he failed to do so. it's hard to imagine a more significant and more serious dereliction of duty than that. i think that there is absolutely no question that it was a dereliction of duty and i think one of the things the committee needs to look at as we look at a legislative purpose is whether we need enhanced penalties for that kind of dereliction of duty. >> dereliction of duty. she said it a number of times. a few times for the people in the back. think how much damaged disgraced, twice impeached, one-time president has done to our office and democracy itself. how can you have a functioning two party system of government when one party is in the grip of the big lie and big liar. a vocal minority denying reality. denying the reality of the attack on the capitol and denying the reality of the pandemic that is sweeping the country.
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let's get right to the covid crisis. joining me the former acting director of the cdc. good evening. thank you so much and happy new year. today was supposed to be the first day back to work and school after the holiday and for many people, it is but we're in the middle of the biggest surge of covid cases yet. there is tremendous deceisrupti as a result. if you told me last january we would still be here, i'd say no way, you're lie ylying. >> i think one of the things that's clear to me is it's extremely difficult to predict where this is going. i see some things right now that give me a glimmer of hope, concern blue a glimmer of hope. ocho go through a high and fast rate, it will leave behind hopefully people who have some production against whatever
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var variant. in the next six weeks, two months, we could be starting to see the end game for this pandemic but in the meantime, right now, as people are going back to school as people are going back to work it's going to be a very rough, rough winter. >> look, i'm sure you don't want to make predictions a year ago january when we are talking, if you or i said i wouldn't believe it, doctor. >> no, we had three vaccines on the horizon rolling out. i figured by the fall when kids go back to school this fall, there would be some semblance of normality and that wasn't the case. back to last june where the numbers were dropping incredibly. i was thinking this is great. this is how it's going to go. you know, we may see season nanal
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-- season nalty to this. until this is under control everywhere around the globe, we'll see new variants emerge and those new variants can totally up end the controls that we have in place fw. >> you mentioned kids going back to school. i mean, doctors are reporting staggering numbers. that's a quote. staggering numbers. of pediatric hospitalizations. if this virus is being described as less serious, why are we seeing so many children be hospitalized, doctor? >> some of those cases are children who have come in for other conditions and are tested and found to be positive for covid. but the other aspect of it is that even for an illness that is relatively mild and this omicron strain, thankfully, appears to be relatively mild, if you're seeing millions of people who get it, even a small percentage of those people having a bad outcome, having conditions that lead to more serious illness, will put a strain on the health care system and we're seeing it
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with children. we're seeing it with adults and so everything we do to reduce the spread of this, to reduce the rate of these high cases will take some pressure off the health care system and not just make room for taking care of people with covid, but ensure if you're somebody having a heart attack or you need cancer treatment or diabetes or kidney disease that there will be room there to take care of you. right now, that is in jeopardy in many places around count tri. >> yeah, because there is a spike in hospitalizations in new york and the glovernor says the have a spike in cases. i'm sure that's happening all over. new york is nearly 72% fully vaccinated, doctor. who will happen when omicron takes off in less vaccinated areas like my home state of louisiana where only 49, 50% of people are fully vaccinated and cases have already surged higher than last summer's delta wave? >> yeah, i mean, we'll have to see. if you look at this situation that took place in south africa,
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where the percentage of people vaccinated was fairly low, the percentage of people who had had covid was fairly high. they saw a dramatic rapid peak and then a decline and thankfully they did not see the same kind of peak in terms of severe illness and death. so we'll have to see how that plays out but i would encourage anyone who is eligible for a booster to go ahead and get that. that will reduce the chances you're going to have severe illness and if you're one of those people who hasn't decided to get vaccinated at all, talk to your doctor. get your questions answered. it's the best thing you can do to protect your health, your family's health and community's health. i urge you to get your questions answered because it's so important. >> i want to follow up on something you mentioned. you talked about getting this virus under control around the world and that means getting vaccinated as it continues to spread around the world. what does that mean when we get new variants? could a new variant be more
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severe than omicron and put us back in pandemic mode? >> definitely. as new variants arise, you could have a variant for which our current vaccines are not very effective. thankfully, our current vaccines while not preventing mild infections, they're very good at preventing serious illness and death but you could see a variant emerge where that wasn't the case and that would set us way back on this. so it is in our vested interest as well as in our interest as citizens of the world to do more to ensure that people in every country have access to vaccines. >> get vaccinated. get boosted and wear your masks, socially distance, follow the g guidelines. thank you, appreciate it. as omicron batters this country, our deck momocracy is
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under under siege. so why are so many americans committed to the president who refused to do anything about the riot. i'll talk about that with none other than john kasich. that's next. there he is. ur financial plan. ♪ ♪ find a northwestern mutual advisor at (swords clashing) -had enough? -no... arthritis. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon. kick pain in the aspercreme. ♪ limu emu and doug.♪ and it's easy to customize your insurance at so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu? limu? sorry, one sec. doug blows several different whistles. doug blows several different whistles. [a vulture squawks.]
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with just days to go before the first anniversary of the deadly insurrection of the capitol, a source saying that the january 6th committee has firsthand information from multiple sources on what the former president was doing as the attack unfolded. a lot to discuss with john kasich, the former republican governor of ohio. good to see you. happy new year to you. >> same to you. >> we're starting to learn what was going on inside the white house. trump was watching television and resisting calls, even from his own family. meanwhile, the house minority leader kevin mccarthy is blaming security lapses at the capitol. why is most of the gop absolving trump of this? >> you know, don, there is a lot of people who i think have having a break with reality. in other words, no matter what the facts are, they just want to
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disassociate themselves from any of the facts and when politics becomes a thirst for power, don, for anybody, or all these people, thirst for power, i hate to say this i've thought about whether i should say it but that unravels the country. when they won't except the result of an election. we saw richard nixon in a controversial decision to accepted results of a decision because that was part of the american fabric. the ability for people to see the facts, people that see this and say there was no violence and i see republican leaders looking the other way trying to make excuses, it's a thirst for power on their behalf and for the public, it's almost cult-like for some of the people out there in the public. i heard some of the interviews earlier today, people saying well trump would never do this. there was no violence. that is being disengaged from
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reality and no matter what we tell them, they won't accept it because if you're in a cult and start to distinguish yourself or disagree, they try to ex communicate you. i'm not saying this is a cult but cult-likish. it's so serious. >> do you think it's -- you said a thirst for power. is it even more sinister than that or i don't know if spinistr is the right way. there is a something that goes along with it that people thumb their nose at democracy and facts and to create their own. down down do you understand what i'm saying? >> it's people that get themselves in groups and whatever the facts are, it could be daylight and you say the sun has come up and they say no, it hasn't. >> but if they notice -- >> it's almost like --
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>> it's like screw you for thinking the other way. go on, yeah. >> well, look, you know, also the hatred, you know, we can't disagree with anybody today in the country. now it's about hatred. when we study history, don, when we study history of what happened to other great powers and seen them melt to the ground, america has got so much going for it. right? we're powerful economically. we're powerful military but our soul and our spirit right now, do we -- don, do you think that today in america we share sort of the same values we used to when you were a young man and i was a young man? i think those have been frayed and when you don't have a common purpose and common values, it's not good. it needs to be renewed because people are like on both sides fighting and arguing. you got to stop it, folks, because this country just is not great because all of a sudden it was great and will always be
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great. we have to protect it. that's what the founders told us, protect the country. >> that was one of my wishes for the new year, we had a shared reality the i and we would try to give each other at least a break or i don't know, to try to figure out how we can come to some sort of shared reality or facts because if we don't have that, we don't have anything. john, what is more disturbing. let me put this up. 34% of americans think violent action against the government is sometimes justified according to the washington post, a washington post poll. just for context, "the post" said this was in the 90s, as many as 90% said violence was never justified. are you worried what that means a year out from january 6th? >> we have done a lot of shows and talked a lot about the fact when people won't accept the results of an election, what does that mean? now it's like okay, well, violence is okay. i mean, there are some people.
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think about this, don, who see violence that happened on january the 6th and they look at the video and go it never happened and other people who say, you know, you got that poll, 30%, 30 plus percent saying violence may be justified on what basis? what's the principle? what is it you're fighting for? for what you want, for you power, what's in it for you? nobody else matters. don, this is a serious drift. i hate to -- >> you're right. >> i don't like to sound alarms. you never hear me say radical things. i'm telling you i'm worried about our country. >> i think more people need to speak up like you. what you're saying is reality and people don't want to hear it. i'm sure you'll get criticized for it but that comes with the territory now. >> that's life. >> this is from abc news. 7 71% of republicans don't believe biden was a legitimately elected
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president. they're not in line with the overall population where 65% do believe biden's victory was legitimate. what does that mean when one of the two parties, two major parties in this country, is this out of step, this delusional, really? >> well, you know, i saw a poll the other day that indicated there were big chunk of democrats that thought that trump was not legitimately elected but this is reached a fevered pitch. this is way up there. and again, don, you know, the thing that's so hard about it, you and i can't lose our temper. we got to be kind to these people who we disagree with because we don't want to drive them away. they've got to have a reality check and to say that -- look, you had republican leaders, when the leaders early on didn't accept the results of this election, when your leadership fails, you know, then things begin to fall apart and the leaders, a number of the leaders
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in the republican party didn't admit joe biden was elected. how about the debate in minnesota where five candidates for governor and none would say biden was legitimately elected. shame on them. that's a first for power, don. when you have a thirst for power and power an end to itself, it's terrible. >> well, you mentioned -- listen, the case for 2016 for election fraud is a much better case, not that -- you know, not saying either one, trump was not legitimately elected but a much better case in 2016 than there was for 2020. i want to put it a different way. look, nobody seized the capitol on the democratic side. a majority of republicans essentially still believe what the insurrectionists believed or believe. the big lie that the election was stolen. certainly sounds like no matter what this committee, this january 6th committee uncovers. >> doesn't matter. >> we'll be in the same place that we are now forever.
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>> don, there -- well, i'm not sure it will be forever, but again, i've got to just say that this represents a break from reality. and when you get into that and when it's cult like and you say look, i'm in my group, i believe the election was not legitimate and i've got 50 other friends and i'm on social media in my own little cave there and if i begin to say well, you know, maybe it was a good election, they throw me out. and so your strength, your purpose, your being is from that group and you're being ostracized. people don't want to do that. i got to believe the truth will prevail. we got to stay on this, don, and have these warning signs and these kinds of conversations i hope with you and me because people watch us and like us when we talk. i hope it will get through. i hope people will see it and think twice about their behavior because their behavior determines the strength and future of our country.
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>> do you ever listen to conservative radio? i went home to louisiana and flipping through -- or even the propaganda that is on the fox propaganda network? because it is disconnected from reality. i find myself -- i don't watch fox anymore. i used to watch. i don't watch anymore. it ridiculous. as i was listening, i found myself fact checking the people only the radio saying that's not true. this isn't true. that's not true. how do you get through to americans that only listen in the silos thanks only listen to the fox propaganda? >> you know, that old book i wrote the ten most important things in terms of how you live, i talk about these silos and people need to break out of them and when they broke out of them, it's hard for them but then they're so happy they're able to be more objective, they were able to hear other things but again, they're comfortable being in the silo and that's danger on all sides, not just danger on
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the right but danger accord the bo board because we're fighting and hating. that's not the america we new years ago. it's stunning to me. >> yeah and the facts don't matter. what matters is -- >> they don't. think for one second about these elections. how about al gore? he could have driven this thing into the ground. he was a bigger man. richard nixon. there was a question about that election. he said i'll put the country first. our leaders are not putting the country first. not all of them but too many of them. too many of them are not putting the country first because they want to be in charge and want to have the power and for what? i really don't know. >> john kasich, that's a good question. i don't either. thank you, john. >> don lemon, thank you. >> happy new year to you and your family, thanks. >> new video released on the insurrection almost a year after it happened. we'll look at that video next
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wow, can't believe it. this week will mark the one-year anniversary of a violent insurrection that sought to overturn our election. more than 700 riters have been
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charged and we're still getting video from inside the battle for the capitol. over the holidays, the department of justice releasing three full hours of new security footage, one of the most complete pictures yet of what unfolded as rioters attacked the capitol, look at your screen. low enforcement faced with riters swinging all kinds of weapons and angry brawls breaking out asratietd riters. we're getting a new angle tonight after when d.c. metropolitan police officer michael fanone was dragged out of the tunnel by rioters. you can see on your screen right now as we is pulled further out -- he wased further out of the arch towards the crowd. soon he's separated from other officers and his body camera captures the next terrifying
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moment as rioters beat and tased him. fanone left pleading for his life life. >> don't hurt him. don't hurt him. >> hold him. hold him. i got you. i got him. >> you can't do that. >> wow. well, michael fanone suffered a heart attack and fell unconscious from the assault. but tonight, he joins me as cnn's newest law enforcement analyst. he'll join me with what we saw
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so back with me now, cnn law enforcement analyst and former d.c. metropolitan police officer michael fanone. hey, welcome to the family, mike, how are you? >> thanks, buddy. i'm doing good. >> good to see you. i want to put this up. put this up on our screen again. on the left side is the new video showing when you're first being pulled away and next to it, you know, next to it is the scene of the once dragged down, once you were dragged down the steps further into the crowd. it's terrifying to see how long you were fighting and they pulled you away from the other officers. talk to me about that. what was going through your mind? did it seem like that long? did it seem like forever you
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were fighting out there? >> yeah, it seemed like a hell of a whole lot longer than it actually was. and again, it was terrifying. watching it is a lot easier than living it, though. i haven't watched any video from the tunnel in quite sometime. it's -- it's difficult to see. >> is that on purpose that you don't watch it, you don't look at it? >> yeah, i just think i've just had enough. >> yeah. hey, can i -- i want to talk to you about something. i was reading this. i said -- what did i read? let me look at my script here. it said law enforcement faced with rioters swinging fists and all kinds of imp viced weapons.
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we never talk about guns. were there guns recovered? the whole thing, they weren't armed. flag poles and imp rovised devices. >> there were guns recovered on the grounds of the capitol and on the grounds of the rally that was held, i believe, on the ellipse by the white house from individuals that were both participating in the insurrection at the capitol and at the political rally at the white house before hand. there are also firearms that were recovered in the days just before the stop the steal rally from individuals who were in washington d.c. to attend the stop the steal rally. >> so then why then this
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rhetoric and this b.s. from people saying there were no guns. they weren't armed. it wasn't like they were, you know, going to shoot people. >> i mean, those individuals are either ill informed or lying. >> why is that not reported? >> i mean, number one, i don't think that -- you know, law enforcement typically doesn't take a poisture they're out to prove there were, you know, there were crimes committed. i don't know if those questions have been asked of the metropolitan police department or not but they're a matter of public record. i mean, you can see arrest reports or at least the public reports from those arrests that are available. it's not difficult to find but
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yeah. >> yeah. mike, i want to put this up again for our viewers again. sorry to put you through this, you said you don't want to watch it. you'll be watching a lot of it the next couple days because this is the anniversary. this is just the kind of violence you and others were facing, rioters beating officers and flatout brawling. you called it a living hell. what do you say to any lawmaker trying to claim this was peaceful or anything other than a violent attack on our democracy? >> i mean, initially, when i began talking about the events of january 6th, i really did believe that individuals were j just, you know, weren't exposed to the realities of that day, maybe been down playing them for political reasons but when faced with, you know, video evidence
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or firsthand testimonial evidence october what happened they might change their tune, i mean, at this point a year out, if you're still lying about the events of that day, it's because you want to. it's because of political motivations, you know, but it's just not reality. >> look, i want to ask you a lot here. i also want to ask you if you would do it all over again and what it's like being a former police officer instead of a police officer. we'll talk about that right after the break. don't go anywhere, more with michael fanone. ze your insurance at so you only pay for what you need. isn't that right limu? limu? limu? sorry, one sec. doug blows several different whistles. doug blows several different whistles.
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back now with michael fanone, cnn's newest law enforcement analyst. mike, more than 700 people have been charged in confection with the riot but there is still been no accountability for the people who told these rioters to come, rile them up with lies about a stolen election. what do you hope to see come out of this january 6th commission? >> my reasons for participating with the commission was in the hopes that it would convince, you know, the 40% of america that doesn't believe that january 6th happened or that, you know, donald trump and his supporters were involved in inciting the events that day. to be honest with you, i expect the report to come out. it will probably state a lot of things that, you know, many of us already know because we watched what happened that day
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and we believed our eyes and ears. you know, i expect that they'll back up some of that -- some of those facts with supporting evidence but to be honest with you, i expect the d.o.j. to be investigating this. >> yeah. >> i mean, that -- hearing recently that there was no, i don't know, like no investigation in progress or no hint of an investigation in progress, which, i think we would know by now was terrifying. >> yeah. yeah. >> and then you have people like the house minority leader kevin mccarthy briefly mentioning the insurrection letter to republicans calling the actions that day lawless and wrong and making no mention of donald trump, the man that summed the mob. liz cheney, you know, that's how she puts it. so he wants to focus on security
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failures that day. is this just a deflection? he's saying listen, this is security failures and never said it was, you know, >> yeah. it's obvious there were security failures. i think that the u.s. capitol police has quite a few things to address. one of them being a crisis of leadership. but they also have to address the security posture. the training and equipment that is provided to the officers. and also the physical security of the capitol complex. i realize in a post 9/11 era, we are look at a different type of threat. but it is a extreme failure of law enforcement leaders not to imagine any type of threat. that's their job.
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>> speaking of that, of threats, earlier tht show i brought up the polling that shows an alarming percentage around a third of americans believe that violence against the government can be justified. do you worry the forces that cause the insurrection are still alive and well right now? >> they are. they absolutely are. and anybody that doesn't believe that is lying to themselves. and not only that, i think that -- january 6 was practice. it was a failed coup. it's practice. these entities that were involved i think they have -- they learned lessons from that day. and if there's not real accountability, not just for the individuals that came to the capitol, the 700 arrests that
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you mentioned earlier. i mean those are just individuals who are manipulated by the political rhetoric. they can find 700 more people to manipulate and send the next time around. >> what do you think about the sentences because many of the rioters have already been sentenced. the longest being more than five years. for man who assaulted police. but that is rare. and then this is another poll from the "washington post." showing 51% of people believe the sentences have not been harsh enough. 19% say too harsh. 28% say fair. what do you think? >> you have to count me in adds part of the 51%. first and foremost i think that i understand that some of the charges that have been talked about are old. and haven't been used in quite
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sometime. but then again, we haven't had a situation or scenario like january 6 in quite sometime. maybe it's time for doj to dust off some of the codes. and put them to good use. it's very difficult to digest somebody who participated in an insurrection being charged with trespassing. i get the fact that trespassing was the overt act. but let's think about what it was committed during an insurrection. furthering an insurrection. >> you love being a police officer. is it difficult to say michael former -- people you know. former police officer now you're a cnn law enforcement analyst. is that difficult for you not being a police officer? >> not anymore. no. this is -- i don't want people
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to they this that decision was purely based off of the events surrounding january 6. or what i experienced after january 6th. that was a significant part of the decision. but it really began back in 2015. with the demonization of law enforcement. and front line police officers. >> talk to me about that. >> i mean, i think there was a lot of scrutiny placed on policing. and police officers. starting around 2014. 2015. and rightfully so. there were some actions committed by police that were egregious. and i do believe that there are aspects of the criminal justice system that are systemic racist. that doesn't mean that individual police officers are
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racist. and i think in one thing i firmly believe is that uniformed police officers are the backbone of the public safety infrastructure in the country. they have been for a long time. they are today. and they will be probably for the rest of my lifetime. if not further. until we can convince an element of society to stop committing violent crimes. >> would you do it all over again? january 6. would you go back into that capitol. would you do it? >> um, that's a complicated question. i think -- i would do it my motivation would be dramatically different. i would do it for and really solely for the other officers that needed help. >> thank you, mike.
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