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that's it for us tonight. together as ever as one we'll get through this pandemic. it never been more true than now. lucky on a friday night, you get the upgrade laura coats in for don lemon. good to see you, counselor. >> you know, it's my ten-year wedding anniversary. i love being here but shoutout to my husband, as well. >> shout out to your husband. thank god and blessings to you both for finding a way to stay together. we all know it's work and not easy. ten years is a beautiful milestone. >> it is, indeed and he's cute so it helps. >> of course he is. i would expect no less. let me ask you a quick take. you have tons of news tonight. a headline came out simone biles decided to withdrawal from the event finals from vault and uneven bars which means she's not out of everything but she's out of the vault and uneven bars and continuing to be evaluated
daily to decide whether to compete in the finals for floor and beam. residence of this issue in terms of creating acceptance that health is health and pain and pain. >> it's okay to take that time for yourself. she doesn't owe anybody anything. frankly, you know, selfishly, do i want to see simone biles, she's the best she is. she's incredible and i want to see her perform, but not if it's going to cost her something personally. not if it's going to endanger her. look, you and i in the business we're in, if we have some sort of moeental block or intel loca twist, we might lose our train of thought. this is a dangerous sport. if she's truly facing that, she could risk her life. i'd love to see her perform but i know she probably wants to perform the pbest of her abilit and if she isn't well, she doesn't owe america anything.
>> great for her. i hope she gets back able to do it but we can't see the pain. if she were wacklking with a li, this wouldn't be a conversation. she can't land anything. you see her fall on a landing. but when you can't see the pain, people judge it and i think that's a shame but i think she's doing more for this country getting the conversation going than by bringing home more gold. >> in a way she brought gold in by having to spotlight on this. think about it, she said look, i'll put myself first. i have an issue i want to resolve. it's personal. she also has opened the door for stellar athletes to compete at a level and cale peiber they perh were not accustomed to doing so. she made the decision in a mature way. people will constantly question her strength whether she's truly a champion but they don't know what she's going through. they don't know what it's been like for her. she's been the face of the
united states gym gnastics that has been plagued by issues of partially their own making, by accuse, by molestation allegations where somebody has now been convicted. she's been the brave face of that. she's competed with broken toes. she has given us so much. i think that she's entitled to having time to herself and that represents, frankly, the best of what an athlete really is, somebody who knows their strength, they know their weaknesses and they will make decisions of their sport. bravo to simone biles. i was looking forward to seeing her and my daughter, a black woman in this position. she's there and it's a better conversation with my kids than simply applauding her athleticism. >> you know what? i bet you people follow. you'll start to see people follow. i'm not up to this. i don't want to become a story where two years from now you're talking about how i fell apart because i did something i was too hurting to do.
i look forward to which whatting t -- watching the show and happy anniversary and here is to 50 more. >> thank you. that's very sweet. i also have the same hair color 50 years from now. thank you so much. this is "done lemon tonight." i'm laura coats in for don. in a week that began with a banner headline that this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated and everyone can go on with passes for a normal life these days. now, that's turned upside down. let me be clear, what we have learned in the last 24 hours makes getting vaccinated even more essential than ever before. vaccination makes it less likely you'll catch covid in the first place and vaccinated people are far less likely to end up in the hospital or die. however, a new cdc study shows the delta variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people, if they got infected. so, fully vaccinated people with
breakthrough infections could actually spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people. all of that as president joe bidenamericans to expect new guidelines as the delta variant spreads. but the good news, vaccinations are heading back up. >> americans expect more restrictions coming up because of covid? >> in all probability, by the way, we had a good day yesterday. almost 1 million people got vaccinated. about half a million of those people for the first time, for the second shot. so i'm hopeful that people are beginning to realize how essential it is to move. >> the white house stressing vaccines are still the answer and urging more people to roll up their sleeves. >> our message has always been clear throughout. we need more people to get vaccinated to stop the spread of this variant and so we have to continue to make that effort.
>> dr. anthony fauci says the virus changed and well, we got to keep up. >> i think the simplest way to get people to understand is that we are dealing with a different virus. the delta virus has characteristics that's different than the alpha variant and other variants we've dealt with. so when someone says the war has changed, what it really means the virus has changed and we have got to keep up in our understanding and what our policies are related today fact that we're dealing now with a more formidable virus. >> the delta variant is spreading in hot spots across the entire country. places like florida where covid cases have now jumped 50% over the last week alone. and the cdc says everyone in schools vaccinated or unvaccinated should wear a mask and yet, florida governor ron
de desantis signed an executive order to make sure there will not be mask mandates in schools. >> floridians have been, are and will remain free to choose what is best for themselves and their families. >> freedom, freedom to send children to school without masks in a state where covid cases just jumped by 50%? some freedom. but all this talk of freedom is just playing to the base. telling their voters exactly what they want to hear. the spread of this virus is a pretty big price to pay and a pretty hideous toll of the pandering and the misinformation in our society. and look, if we're going to get a grip on this, we're going to need to stick to the facts. stick to the science and stop wasting our time with political stunts and here is an example of what i mean by a political stunt.
senator marco rubio also i should point out from the state of florida tweeting a video of defense secretary lloyd austin arriving in the philippines masked and wearing a face shield calling it quote embarrassing covid theater. now, here is the problem with that. while there are actually several problems with that. the em bassy telling politico saying the government mandate everyone must wear full face shields together with face masks in public places but that wasn't good enough for the senator that went on to tweet i guess the face shield mandate was lifted shortly after he landed along with some pictures of the secretary without a face shield. now, at least two of those pictures were not even taken in the philippines. so like i said, if we're going to get a grip on this virus and what it's doing to us, we're going to have to stop wasting our time with political stunts.
i want to bring in william hasseltine. in all probabilitity, we could see more guidelines and restrictions and i'm wondering what would those look like? could that look like, professor? >> well, we're already seeing that many businesses and schools where they can, are requiring people to be vaccinated. that is one thing happening. it may happen to our entire military and it may happen to many other organizations. so that's, i think, the first thing that will happen there is increasing requirements for masks but it's clear why this is happening. as dr. fauci said, this is not the virus we knew before. this is much more serious virus
and if you get it, no matter your age from age 3 to age 90, it's going to be worse for you and you're going to be able to transmit it to other people much, much more easily. >> the information is there and dr. rochelle withalensky is tak it to fox. >> the science continues to change and whether that is neither simple or easy to convey, it's my responsibility to keep the american people safe and as that science evolves, i evolve with our -- with the cdc, the guy didance. i continue to be humbled by this virus. i have no interest in continuing mask guidance, and the best way to stop a new variant from
spreading is to have less virus out there and the best way to do that is to get people vaccinated and to mask up until they are. >> well, you know, first of all, pr bravo to her for going to the people that need to hear this the most but will they be swayed of the stories of people that frankly refuse the vaccine almost died as a result and say day regret not getting that vaccine? which is going to be more persuasive? >> well, we're always more persuaded by our neighbors and our friends and what's happening with them and unfortunately, 95,000 of our fellow americans were infected yesterday. and if you just do the simple math, that means 1 to 2,000 of them will die two or three weeks from now. that is a terrible number and totally unnecessary. let me say that what they're saying is this is not the same war we were fighting before.
this is a war that is going to last a long time. it not like putting out a forest fire. it's like climate change. it's here to stay and it's going to take a long time and we have to have many different ways of confronting it. vaccines are by far the best but they're not the only way. the countries that relied on vaccine, we've seen were having troubles. the countries that rely on boarder control and contract tracing are having trouble. countries this are hoping that drugs will come along are still hoping. we need every part of this society working together. i call it multi covid control. don't rely only on vaccines. use your sense and do the best you can on public health and put a lot of money into research. we are behind the eight ball in terms of research needed to find more and more powerful vaccines pause what do we need? we need vaccines that are better than the ones we have. i'm convinced we can get them.
i've seen data that says there are promising ones on the horizon. the moment you think you're exposed, you take a pill so you never get sick. we now have those pills people don't know about. if your kid comes home with the flu, you pop a pill, the chances are small you'll get it. we need those drugs. we've been behind the eight ball for far too long. we got to catch up and use every tool at our disposal because the virus we're seeing today as bad as it is not as bad as it can get. >> professor, when you think about using every tool at your disposal and research and development and all those things, that does require us to have control over the existing problem as opposed to having to be reactive as opposed today proactive measures but that combination you speak of will be invaluable and start with following guidelines, taking the vaccine and i want you to know in chicago, they're hosting la
la -- laollalollapalooza. is this dangerous given what we know about the delta event, even though this event is outdoors and they're requiring vaccination or proof of testing and by the way, starting tomorrow, masks in indoor spaces in chicago. is this still dangerous based on what we know? >> i think it is dangerous and we now know something very simple. if you could smell somebody else's tobacco smoke, you can catch their virus. think about that. how many times have you walked down the street and smelled tobacco smoke outside. it wasn't true for earlier viruses. this virus you produce a lot more virus and a lot more infectious per virus. it is about ten times more infectious than it was before. you know, you do it by -- whatever you want, chickenpox versus something like a cold or
something else, this is really serious. what is going on now. you can catch it and people have caught it outside in outside venues. so you should be wearing masks. the moment you get-togethers with a bunch of people, you should be wearing a mask and an n 95 mask at that. >> professor, thank you for your advice and counsel. appreciate it. >> thank you, laura. you've been sending us your questions on covid, so next, we'll get answers from the top doctor. it would be cool to ride a horse on the moon.
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the new cdc document revealing just how transmissible the delta variant really is and with children not yet able to get coronavirus vaccines, parents are facing tough choices when their kids head back to school including parents like me. joining me now to discuss, an infectious disease epidemiologist and director of the special path ogens program t nyc health. so glad you're here. thank you. >> thanks for having me on. >> listen, i put out the call on twitter and asking people for
their most pressing questions what the delta variant means for keeping their families safe, especially children and one viewer asking this question, doc. with the school year just around the bend and some reports of the delta variant being more contagious to children than the alpha variant, should we be concerned or thinking about keeping our kids home from school? now, you have young kids, so do i. they're not old enough get to get the vaccine. mine are 7 and 8. what's the answer? >> i think there is a couple of different ways to answer that. first, it's on your own personal risk tolerance but we've seen if schools implement the various mitigation strategies like having universal masking, having all individuals that are around children that are eligible vaccinated, having testing, isolation, quarantine, all of those different measures play a significant role in reducing the number of infections that we'll see in schools. if we're able to have a consistent use of the mitigation
measures, we can make in person schooling safe and it's very important that we still stick to in person schooling because if we're looking at some of the data and the studies coming out and the risk benefit analysis, there is significant harm to children that have to do schooling remotely. you know, it's the mental health toll it's taking, the educational toll, the set backs. i think we can make schools safer even in the context of delta if you consistently apply the mitigation measures that we have in place. >> okay. well, another viewer is asking this question. they're asking when will children under 12 be able to get the vaccine? i mean, that would really be a game changer. so what can you tell us about that timing? >> so, i think for all the different age groups in the brackets that we have, so for example, 6 months all the way up to age 12 will have likely a covid-19 vaccine authorized for all those age groups by the end of this year but if we're looking at just the age group of 5 to 12, we'll probably see, you know, the data come in in
september and as we know, ifda will take a couple weeks and provide emergency authorization. i would think perhaps sometime in september and the age group after that, the 2 to 11 we'll probably see the data come in probably shortly after that and the 6 months for that age group shortly after that. i would say by the end of this year. >> and then the rollout and how that will work for each of those children. so today the university of michigan was also announcing it will be the latest university to require all staff, all students to be vaccinated. and that's really a massive number of people for that university. a lot of young adults have been quite slow to get vaccinated. so do you think it should be mandated at all colleges and universities? >> i do think so. we have plenty of really great data and information that those covid-19 vaccines are safe and effective. i know the recent news of breakthrough infections and universal mask mandates for
those vaccinated are getting people their jumpy. the take home message is good that the covid-19 vaccines work. the more we can use them and mandate, you know, individuals that have public facing rules that are in the universities and in these types of settings, the better. in fact, i applaud over the 88 health care organizations that are looking at and have mandated, you know, the covid-19 vaccine for the 17 million health care workers we have in the united states. that's very important. >> i have a fewer asking questions about boosters and quote, they say i have heard a lot of information about a booster of pfizer but nothing on the j&j shot. will that require a booster also and what about getting a j&j shot but another maker for the booster? so with the dangerous delta variant is as dangerous as it is, booster shots are on a lot of people's minds, doctor. where are we on those booster shots? sgh >> first, the word booster is misleading when used generally.
when we look at providing a supplemental covid-19 dose part of the two-shot series if you're getting the mnra or johnson & johnson it's a second shot. it more of another dose versus like a booster. it part of the overall series and so as we look at the different pharmaceutical companies, whether j&j or pfizer or moderna, in the context of having this third, you know, shot or booster shot as is more well-known, i think it really first depends on the surveillance, the data coming out following what is happening in israel and u.k. for example. we're seeing that in israel, for example, some of the studies on pfizer are showing perhaps potential waning of immunity in the older population and that's where they have basically come up with the recommendation of having a booster shot for those over the age of 60 in that population. that probably will also apply to here in the united states but i think the biggest two things to take away is we need to continue to follow the data and continue to do surveillance and monitoring on, you know, the
overall breakthrough cases and seeing, you know, if the vaccine induced immunity is waning and have a good plan. have the booster shot ready when we need to use it, whether for the elderly population or younger population but i think those are the two things. the last thing i'll quickly mention as we look at boosters, we need good global equity of cove vaccines. we have vaccines in the u.s. but they're still huge disparity of, you know, not having vaccines in many different countries. we have a huge range of 80% of populations vaccinated versus 1% of the population vaccinated in some countries. we need to get vaccines in other people as we talk about in the context of booster shots. >> doctor, thank you for your time. great insight. we'll keep the conversation going online. appreciate it. >> thank you. quote leave the rest to me. former president trump told the doj to declare the election corrupt even though it wasn't.
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just how far president trump went in his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the house oversight committee releasing notes taken by then acting deputy attorney aggenera richard donohue. on that call, president trump pressured his acting attorney general to declare the presidential election illegal and corrupt. even though, of course, it was not. it was neither of those. the notes say trump told then acting a.g. jeffrey rosen quote, just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the r congressmen. r for republican. let's discuss with cnn senior law enforcement analyst and fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and author of "the threat," how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump.
andrew mccabe, nice to see you. happy friday evening. i feel like it's a bit after deja vu when we talk about these issues because some things we've known, other things we maybe thought was going on but these notes actually show that trump is badgering rosen and donohue, leave the rest to me and the gop congressman. i mean, how was this man supposed to unfold, you think? >> well, that's a great question, laura. i mean, it obviously the contemporaneous notes are an artifact, a piece of evidence of unassa unasalable quality. they have a habit of taking notes. here he is in a meeting with his boss, the attorney general and important phone call with the president of the quunited state. things are preserved and ultimately revealed to us. they really give us an insight what he was thinking, what president trump said, what they
responded to those comments by the president and, you know, you have to imagine that this was -- i'm sorry, you doesn't have to imagine, it's perfectly clear this was an effort by the president to just get the department of justice to start this conspiracy to go public with this pbaseless claim the election was corrupt and he was confident that the republicans in congress would then take the ball from there and really move this thing forward and ultimately, you know, you can imagine turning over the results of the election. it absolutely it's unbelievable. >> i mean, it's kind of like just plant a seed. i'll help it grow, right? just plant a seed. leave the credibility of the department of justice to do this and we know how the credibility is there and why but to use it to plant a seed like this, you know, at one point on the call, according to the notes that -- according to the call, trump
said to the doj officials quote, you guys may not be following the internet the way i do. this is the president of the united states. he's trying to promote the big lie to u.s. government officials based on the internet and online conspiracies, andrew? >> yeah, you know, laura, how perfect is that, right? we know this to be the president of the internet. this is a guy who spent his time watching twitter and listening to, you know, the news and watching his favorite tv shows instead of following the law, instead of listening to the advice of counsel, listening to people who would advice him on procedures and policies and the importance of things like oh, i don't know, the independence of the department of justice, right? we talk about that all the time. i think it's unfortunate sometimes people dismisit as a point of etiquette when
actually, it's abluabsolutely essential to the functioning and the department of justice ensures people they can believe in the results of the criminal justice system instead of thinking it's subject to politics. here we have the president of the internet attacking the department of justice in our democracy in the same swath. >> and, you know, both rosen and donohue, frankly, they could end up testifying before congress for really a number of the investigations. the doj waived executive privilege. what questions do they need to answer now that they don't have a muzzle so to speak of privilege? >> this will be a fascinating piece of testimony if we ever get to hear it and i'm sure our representatives in congress will be asking things like exactly what did the president say to you? what did you think he meant by making those statements? how did you react to that?
did you tell him in response? they will parse through every detail of this conversation really to shed light on the president's intent. what was he trying to accomplish with this pressure campaign on the department of justice? i think the end result will be to expose yet another abuse of the office of the presidency. >> andrew mccabe, thank you. appreciate it. >> thanks, laura. you know, just days after trump told the doj to overturn a free, fair and democratic election, this happened. an insurrection. but now that justice department is signaling that they want answers. i'll make my case next.
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we have questions, questions about what led up to the deadly january 6th attack on the citadel of our democracy. questions about whether elected officials played a role in convincing a violent mob that a free and fair election was anything but. questions about why one elected official wore body armor at the rally that preceded the assault on the capitol. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. >> questions about why one of his republican colleagues compared those violent tourists, excuse me, violent rioters to tourists. >> watching the tv footage of those who entered the capitol and walked through statutory hall showed people in an orderly fashion between the ropes taking
videos and pictures. if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from january 6th, you'd actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> tourists. questions about how this mob apparently prepared, trained and coordinated either escaped the detection or the deterrence of our intelligence community and questions why our brave officers out numbered, out gunned, had to fight for hours without reinforcements. >> i was grabbed, beaten, tased, all while being called a traitor to my country. i was at risk of being stripped of and killed with my own firearm, as i heard chants of kill him with his own gun. >> questions about what in the world was happening inside of the white house while the world watched to see if the greatest democracy would hold. and if not just a select
committee that's seeking these answers, now the department of justice is poised to give us some answers, as well, or at least not muzzle the people with those answers. just this week, attorney general merrick garland stated that the department will not assert executive privilege to stop jeffrey rosen who then president trump wanted to help fuel the big lie from testifying. nor will it stop a former u.s. attorney in georgia from telling the house oversight committee why he abruptly resigned during trump's promotion of the big lie nor will the doj publicly stand in to defend congressman mo brooks in a private lawsuit filed by eric swalwell forced to run for his life after a violent mob and colleague stirred up the rally crowd. whether it's refusing to now be a road block to a select committee's proof or the ways and means committee's attempts
to view a presidential tax return, in the end, the goal is to provide the transparency that a co-equal branch of government needs to serve as the effective check and balance that democracy requires. now, we will one day and perhaps soon be able to answer the question on all of our minds as we watched what officer daniel hodges described as domestic terrorism unfold. how could this have possibly have happened in america? >> it's my perpetual confusion. i saw the thin blue line flag, symbol of support for law enforcement more than once being carried by the terrorist as they ignored our commands and continued to assault us. the sting of cs gas and oc spray, which is mace hung in the air as the terrorists threw our own cs gast cans back at us.
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incidents with violent airline passengers are now on the rise. the nation's largest flight attendants union says nearly one in five flight attendants have now encountered a violent airplane passenger just so far this year. and 85% of union members have self-reported encountering an unruly passenger. they say the time has come for more focus on now criminal charges for in-air disturbances. so what needs to be done to stop the violence in the skies? here with me now, sarah nelson, international president of the association of flight attendants. sarah, nice to see you, sorry it's under these circumstances and what everyone is grappling with right now. i mean, wow. 85% of flight attendants now have dealt with unruly
passengers? the faa is reporting 106 incidents in the past seven days alone. why is it so crazy? >> it's really concerning. and those are numbers that you're reporting over the last week that would be normally over the course of an entire year. in fact we stay at this rate, we're going to have more incidents in this year alone than we've had in the entire history of aviation. so flight attendants have had to deal with unruly passengers through the course of our careers. we're trained to de-escalate. but we've never seen anything like this, to go to work and see this is likely to be part of our day is something we're not used to and not something we're willing to accept for the long run. >> sarah, i want to show this video. what we're looking at, flight attendants now taking self-defense classes. so they're able to actually fight back and protect themselves. what does this tell you about the current situation that flight attendants feel they need to defend themselves physically now? >> this is really concerning.
this is a class actually that was formed after 9/11. we had fought then to try to make it mandatory. it ultimately was a voluntary class. it was suspended for a period of time by tsa because of coronavirus protocols. but it's back in place. this is one of the things that the tsa is doing and this administration is doing to make sure flight attendants have tools and to communicate exactly what you're saying. this is absurd, that we have to focus on the fact that flight attendants have to have martial arts skills to go to work today. we're doing all we can to communicate to the public what's expected. i want to be very clear. this is a relatively small group of people. but they are making it very risky in the air for everyone. and they're making this a disturbing case at work and potentially very unsafe conditions for passengers and crews across aviation. >> and frankly, criminal behavior, right?
just because you're in the air and ate flight attendant, you don't have a right to use violence against another person. as a union you're pushing criminal charges, right? >> this is already under the statute. under the statute today, you can be find $35,000 per incident and face up to 20 years in jail. so we're asking doj, please publicly and quickly, swiftly take up these cases and press on these criminal charges and help people understand what the consequences are, what the very real consequences are. you know, over half of the incidents relate to alcohol. and we need some sobering up here, as a society. and criminal charges, facing criminal time in jail, will probably create some sobering up. now, i also want to report that as we have been talking about this, we've been starting to see more passengers really trying to express kindness and trying to make things better for us. but these incidents are still way too high.
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