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>> i saw that tent before and i want to go what's going on behind it. on the eve of the convention, president trump announced that the fda has given emergency authorization for the use of convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus, but some experts including dr. anthony fauci say it has not been adequately tested. >> and one of the president's top advisers, kellyanne conway, is leaving the white house. her husband, george conway, a fierce trump critic, is also stepping back from his political efforts to unseat trump. we have new details about their decisions, just ahead. and we have breaking news this morning. two storms taking aim at the gulf coast. meteorologists say that back-to-back storms have not hit this area in decades. the combination of torrential rain and storm surge means the louisiana coast, as you see there, could see major flooding. so let's begin our coverage with cnn's martin savidge. he is live in new orleans with our top story. martin? >> good morning, alisyn. yeah, this is really a concern for the people here of louisiana at this point. you know, they've seen a lot of storms over the years.
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15 years ago, it was hurricane katrina. this week. but they've never seen the kind of scenario that's beginning to build up and start today. round one is going to be the storm named marco. that is expected to impact the area starting this afternoon. and then, a couple of days later, in some cases, maybe only hours later, depending on where you live and the subsiding of the first storm, you get round two, which is expected to be hurricane laura. what is being done? well, they've done mandatory evacuations, in the areas outside of the flood protection system, that's coastal low-lying areas, jefferson parish, grand aisle. you're talking about those kind of areas. inside the city of new orleans, no evacuation orders underway, but businesses are closed, schools are closed, government offices have shut down. and last night, there were long license of people beginning to buy their emergency supplies. the governor has made it clear, you are preparing not for one storm, you are preparing for two storms. so instead of being ready, self-sufficient for 36 hours, you better be ready to be on your own for 72 hours.
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the concern in the city is going to be not the storm surge, it's the street flooding. how much rain will fall? and then the next concern, how much time is there between the next rain event, which is going to be the next storm coming in. the city needs to drain. the pumps are ready to go. they've cleared out all the drain basins, but the water has to get out. if it doesn't get fast enough and the next storm rolls in, that's when all bets are off and no one's really sure what the impact will be. alisyn? >> that's a good warning to everybody who lives in that area. tropical storm laura is next. it's forecast to strength sboon en into a hurricane before reaching the u.s. gulf coast on wednesday. laura is now battering the island of cuba after leaving destruction in the dominican republic and haiti. patrick oppmann is live in- cuba, with more. what's the situation, patrick? >> reporter: good morning. so far, just a light drizzle, but otherwise, a beautiful morning in havana.
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the calm we always see before the storm, these weather conditions will not last throughout the day into this evening. we know there'll be high winds, lots and lots of rain, and the cuban government is calling people to get ready, into the eastern end of the island and in central cuba. reports of trees down, heavy coastal flooding, electricity lost. and elsewhere in the caribbean, there has been a death toll already reported. at least nine dead in the dominican republic and in haiti. so while this is just a tropical storm, we won't see the catastrophic damage we hope from previous hurricanes, but still a tropical storm can cause a lot of misery if you are in its path, and we are expecting more damage to be seen throughout the day, as this storm gets into the major population centers like here in havana. people are getting ready to make those final preparations. and something really incredible over the weekend, there was flooding reported from tropical storm marco in western cuba, and now we have damage reported from tropical storm laura on the
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other end of the island. so damage from two tropical storms in just as many days. really not a very good omen for this hurricane season. back to you, john. >> and obviously, that is what's so unusual about this. and that is why the i think concern has been raised to this high level. patrick oppmann in havana, please keep us posted. let's get an update from chad myers to see where these storms are and where they're going. >> one in the gulf, one to the south of cuba. good morning, john. the rain from marco is now approaching and getting to the florida coast. a very bumpy night in apalachicola, lots of lightning. but this isn't really where the center of the low is. it is well south of there, but southwest winds have sheared the storm apart overnight, and that's the great news. that's why the hurricane warnings and watches have been dropped. but we still have tropical storm warnings going on for much of the area here. most of the rain is north of the eye or the center, so most of the rain will be on land.
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and that's the problem. that's the first storm. this is the real problem. laura. now, most of the convection overnight has been away from the center, which is right there. and our patrick oppmann is right there, which is why he did get a lot a lot of wind overnight. it will move into the gulf of mexico. very warm water. it is going to get stronger. there are models that have it as a major hurricane, making landfall in the northern gulf of mexico. what i want you to know is that this number, 105, could be plus or minus 10%. what i also want you to know is that the models have been doing a horrible job, so you can't look at the middle. you must know that all the way to lafayette, almost to baton rouge, all the way back out here towards galveston and houston, you are in the cone. and these models have been going back and forth, left and right, all night long, and all day yesterday. they are not convinced of where this is going. hurricane center doing the best they can. but they have one arm tied behind their back. the models are not liking that it's so close to cuba, so close
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to the mountains of eastern cuba, and we'll see where it goes from here, but there will be awful lot of rainfall, even shreveport, you could see winds of 60, and rains around 6 to 7 inches. that's not along the coast, that's well inland and we could still have flooding there. >> bottom line, people need to stay close to the forecast. they need to listen to you. you will keep them posted as to all of the developments and where specifically laura might be headed over the next day or two. >> there's a potential, john, that this could get to cat 4. a potential. maybe 10%, right? so you must really pay attention. this is not a ts. this is the real deal. >> appreciate it, chad, again, please keep us posted as this storm keeps on moving. the republican national convention begins in just hour. what does the president need to accomplish there? joining us now, cnn political commentators, michael smerconish and mary katherine hamm. great to have you both here on
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"new day." so a convention, mooubichael, i about shoring up the base and then addition. trying to add people to your governing body here. in terms of shoring up the base, the president doesn't really have a problem. he's got this base locked solid. but it's the addition thing, how on earth does he add people to his coalition? >> the addition thing is over. in fact, i think the addition thing is over for both parties, because i looked at all four nights of the democratic national convention, i saw a total pursuit of those votes that they think they have, and they just want to make sure that they turn out. minorities, young, college-educated. and i think this will be a complete reversal. it's a turnout election. i've kind of given up, john, thinking that this is an election that hinges on swing voters, as much as i've spent a great deal of time talking about what those swing voters might do. so i think it will be a quadrupling down of trying to roach t reach the people who voted for
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him in 2016, some who would have voted for him in 2016, but didn't come out to vote. it's been all about the base for four years, so why should the next four nights be any different. >> but just to challenge you on that, wasn't the addition of some high-profile republicans, the john kasiches, susan molinari, people like that into the d.c., wasn't that an attempt to get the swing voters? >> it certainly may have been an effort to say to republicans, hey, you don't like this guy, don't hold your nose and vote for him. you're welcome over here. but i don't think that was the main thrust of the message of the four nights that i watched. nor do i think that the trump campaign will be looking for any new voters in the next four nights. >> it is a little bit of a kick in the you know what to see this list of republicans, jeff flake, charlie dent, who's on our show, jim leetch, this list of republicans coming out this morning and saying they're voting for joe biden. i know no one on this list is a member of the freedom caucus, exactly, but it is something on the morning of the republican
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convention to see a group of republicans endorsing your opponent. >> right, it's not a great story line for him, but i think as michael points out, if you're going for the base, his appeal was, i am not one of these folks. i am not the beltway. and the beltway comes out and is like, hey, we don't like him. and he's like, sure, i can run with that. and never doubt trump's ability to trumpet whatever story comes his way. and if you are trying to reach new people, it's a really tough year, because this is the convention where the substitute teacher brings in the av cart and you all watch a video, except no one's actually watching the video. so i think reaching new people is tough in and of itself because of the staging of this and neither party is trying super hard. >> that's so interesting, mary katherine, but trump has decided that he is the selling point. so he's breaking with tradition, as he so often does, and he is going to be the main headliner every night. it's also peppered with lots of
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his family members. you know, it's a totally different tact than the dnc that had these sort of all-stars of the democratic party, past presidents obama and clinton, the former nominee, hillary clinton, and this time it's going to be very trump centric, trump family centric, and mary katherine, while you have you, one more thing, secretary of state, mike pompeo is reportedly going to speak. and that's unconventional, bordering on, i don't know, i mean, doesn't it violate the hatch act? >> it's norm busting more than anything. >> it goes right up to the edge of the hatch act, in terms of using somebody in their national security role, for a political purpose. >> yeah, i'll get to that in a second, but as to the trump family, biden did zoom interviews on the first night of the convention, so i don't think it's totally going to ruin his big night on the last night. as i said, i don't think the big nights are what they were four years ago or what they've been in any other convention year.
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so i don't think losing your hype means as much this year. there's certainly potential for it. i could do with more, i think, regular folks and governors and elected officials than trump family. and as far as pompeo goes, i think there's a question of how that's going to go, but i'm willing to watch to see how it goes. and i guess they would reimburse if there's a hatch act concern here. >> michael, do you think -- yeah. michael, do the democrats leave or what space did the democrats leave for the president this week? >> the same space that he's always had. i think that the president's focus is one on a demographic that is shrinking as we watch. a demographic that even in the last four years has shrunk. and i'm talking about high school-educated white voters, many of whom traditionally were democratic voters, but he was able to win them over in 2016. and he's kind of pushing all of
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his chips in, on that same constituency. i would argue that there wasn't great outreach during the democratic national convention to try and bring those voters back into the fold. instead, it was all about the constituency that they think that they've now attracted. so, i hate to be repetitive, but i think it's a very base-driven pursuit on both sides of the aisle. >> mary katherine, quickly -- go ahead. >> i was just going to say, those midwestern blue collar high school-educated voters are key to those very states that democrats lost last time. and i fear the democratic party, too often they're like, these people aren't who we're talking to, because there's no sane reason anyone would vote for donald trump, but that exact mind-set is what brought them a hillary loss. the less you attempt to understand that voter, your chances go down, because you have to bring out your case so,
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so big. >> joe biden is not hillary clinton, though. j joe biden does have some connection with that voting group. >> i think you're correct. i think the issues of the time and the way that he speaks about them will be very important in his first interview with david murrah after getting the nomination. notes, i'm not in favor of defund the police. he's appealing to folks who don't think that's what we should do, policy wise, but my base might get pretty mad i'm saying this thing in public and trumpeting this particular point of view. and then maybe they get less enthusiastic, and you need them as enthusiastic as possible. it's a tricky line to walk. >> we've been talking about the possible reveals that president trump may have up his sleeve, and it looks as though his niece, mary trump, who has one of the best-selling books in the country right now also had a reveal up her sleeve and these audio tapes have come out. it sounds like she surreptitiously taped her aunt,
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who is donald trump's sister, and caught the sister saying over the course of several conversations, you know, unflattering things about president trump's propensity for lying and for other things, so here's a portion of that audiotape. >> reporte >> this goddam tweet and the lying, oh, my god, i'm talking too freely, but, you know, the change of stories, the lack of preparation, the lying, holy shit. >> she puts a fine point on it there at the end. but this is the president's sister. and i know what you're going to say, you think it's unseemly for the niece to have surreptitiously taped her. that's sort of family dirty laundry that raises other questions. however, it is important to hear from the president's own sister what she thinks of him? >> it's a rorschach test.
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either people are listening and saying, oh, my god, his sister thinks he's a liar, too, or they're thinking, how could the niece record the voice of an elderly aunt without her knowledge. here's what i find interesting. the basis for the recording is that the niece is upset with her inheritance, but the conversation i'm hearing goes well beyond any of those issues. to wit, the s.a.t. conversation. so i really think it was vindictive and not driven toward trying to establish her right to inheritance. by the way, if i really want to be persnickety, the s.a.t. story doesn't seem to add up based on what i heard in that tape. because nobody is spending two years at fordham and then paying somebody to go back and talk an s.a.t. exam. i don't even know if you can do that once you're enrolled as an undergraduate. i think that story needs to be parsed a little bit, too. >> we do have a statement from mary trump, the niece's spokesperson. here's what he says was her
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rationale in doing it. mary realized members of her family had lied in prior depositions. anticipating litigation, she felt it prudent to tape conversations in order to protect herself. she never expected to learn much of what she heard, including the president's sister, federal judge maryanne trump barry, state that trump had paid someone to take the s.a.t. exam for him. >> mary katherine, one last point on this. and i'm not disagreeing it won't make a huge impact. you know i'm saying. ignore the double negative there. but it is a contrast to the democratic convention, where everyone that joe biden's ever met, from security guards to kids to republican members of congress that he fought with to the democrats he ran against are all saying what a great guy he is. here you have the president's own sister calling him a liar. >> well, yeah, i hate to be in vehement ingredient with mr. smerconish, but i don't think it will change one vote. that's an important part of this. and i do think is that the counterprogramming is that the
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entire trump family is speaking. sure, we have this one member over here, and here's my entire family on the stage. in the end, do we think it makes a difference, because everybody's ideas about the president are locked in. that's one political fact, though we have many things being unorthodox, that one remains true. >> let's just skip to november at that point. if everyone's locked in. >> it's 2020. don't count your chickens, john. >> appreciated. >> great point. >> mary katherine hamm, michael smerconish, thank you both. this morning, the fda has authorized the emergency use of convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus, but some experts say there's not enough data to know if it works. so what are the facts here, next. from prom dresses... soccer practices... ...and new adventures. you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past... they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b.
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president trump pressuring the fda to authorize emergency use for convalescent plasma to treat coronavirus. is that a safe and effective treatment? joining us now is cnn medical analyst, dr. rachelle walensky, the chief of the division of infectious diseases at massachusetts general hospital. dr. walensky, great to see you.
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before we get to the politics of how president trump treasured them and jonathan swann from ox yo axios gave us good new reporting on this. convalescent plasma is recovered from the blood of recovered patients, transfused into seriously ill patients, antibody rich plasma may help fight off infection. it has been used to treat mers, sars, the flu, and ebola. so before the politics, does it work? is it good that the fda is fast tracking it? >> good morning, alisyn? >> it's a really important question and i would say that we don't really know yet. i think this action is a result of an august 12th posting of a pre-print or before a peer review publication, of the first 35,000 patients that received this drug -- or this treatment under expanded access. i want to highlight that these are terrific scientists, this was a really large cohort. the data that we saw from that
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cohort were that if you got convalescent plasma earlier compared to later, you tended to do better. if you got higher doses of it compared to lower doses, you tended to do better. there's a lot of data there by a stellar group of scientists and i want to highlight it looks promising. that said, the pre-print did not speak to a lot of data on safety on adverse events. we know from other reports that the first 20,000 people who received convalescent plasma, about 13 died due to adverse events, possibly from transfusion reactions. so this is exactly why we need the gold standard randomized clinical trial. what i can tell you is as of this morning, the two places that i look for guidance on when i'm caring for a patient with covid-19 are the nih treatment guidelines and the infectious disease society of america guidelines, the idsi treatment
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guidelines. neither have changed their guidelines based on this pre-print, and both say we do not have enough data for or against the use of convalescent plasma to treat covid-19. >> let me read a statement from the infectious disease society of america. this says, we lack the randomized controlled trial data we need to better understand its utility in covid-19 treatment. for this reason, isda, idsa, supports the continued collection of data and randomized clinical trials to better understand the benefits of convalescent plasma treatment before authorizing its wider use in patients with covid-19. so they just want to see a bigger study. so they know. some of the numbers that the president was throwing around yesterday are just very misleading, if not outright false, saying you're 35% less likely to die. that's not what it found. it found in this one study that wasn't randomized that the mortality rate was 35% less than if you received a lower dose
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later, which is a very specific nuanced thing, which i guarantee the president doesn't understand. dr. walensky, the issue is, then, why did the fda do this? and was there political pressure and how concerned should we be about the use of political pressure? >> well, i think we need to be concerned if the fda is under political pressure to authorize things under emergency use. i want to remind people that this is -- i actually think convalescent plasma is more promising than hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of this disease. but this is our revisit of the hydroxychloroquine story in some ways, where prior to having randomized controlled trial data, we saw the emergency use authorization of hydroxychloroquine, just based on cohort data, much smaller cohorts, i will tell you, than the one that was just posted. but again, when the randomized clinical trial data came out, that is when the emergency use
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authorization for hydroxychloroquine was rescinded. so i certainly hope we're not there. but it does speak to the fact that we need some independence in the approval process, i believe. and certainly, when you look to the guidelines, the idsa guidelines and the nha guidelines which are not under the president's thumb, theatnei are moving forward. >> dr. walensky, thank you so much. appreciate talking to you. >> john, i have a surprise for you. you know what this is? >> convalescent plasma? >> no. >> you got tested? no? >> it's my flu shot that you harangued me to get and i wanted to beat you to the punch and show it off. >> i thought it was a new tat. >> a flu shot, already? >> come on, if you'd gotten yours first, you know it would have been a competition. i usually wait a little bit. but i think we should all be
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getting inoculations. >> you're welcome. >> the tattoo will go on the other arm where i can see it. >> yes. breaking overnight, a group of dozens of former republican members of congress coming out in support of joe biden. one of them is going to join us, next. ta-da!
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developing this morning, more than two dozen former republican members of congress have announced that they are endorsing joe biden for president. this is a republicans for biden campaign that's launching today. jeff flake, arizona senator, headlining it to a certain extent. this news comes on the first day of the republican convention. joining me now, cnn political commentators, former congressman, charlie dent, who was part of this republicans for biden campaign. also with us, former republican congressman sean duffy, who is not at all part of this campaign. charlie dent, i want to start with you. you announced last week that you were voting for joe biden. this is a big rollout with two dozen people like you, republican members of congress who say they're doing it. what's behind this? what's the significance? >> well, john, there are a lot of former republican members of
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congress who are unhappy with the direction of the party. we understand that political parties are not static, they're dynamic. but when they change, they should change for the better. and i think it's fair to say that they are concerned about this party become so trumpian, frankly, driven by the power of one man. there's a lot of concern about the nativism, the protectionism, the isolationism. these are very concerning attributes. and just the other day, in fact, john, the reason i wrote my op-ed last week, when i did, is after the president said he called the woman in georgia, marjory taylor green, a rising star. this is a qanon 9/11 conspiracy theorist bigot. really? these people should be driven from the party. and i think a lot of us are concerned that the leader of our party is embracing some pretty extreme type. >> so sean duffy, would you rather have qanon or charlie dent in your party? >> i don't think charlie dent is going to move the numbers in
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pennsylvania or jeff flake is not going to move numbers in arizona. this is going to be a campaign that's going to be based on issues. and i think the biggest issue that we have right now is in a place like wisconsin where i come at you from is so many democrats that used to vote for democrats and obama over the last ten years have moved to president trump. and a charlie dent or jeff flake endorsement won't move those numbers at all. in 2016, there were 75 diplomats that came out and said, we're not going street for donald trump. >> they just did it again. >> i know, but -- yeah, i think what's interesting is, republicans love donald trump, because donald trump loves republicans. and he's fighting for issues that charlie fought for, which is lower taxes and better trade and pro-life, issues that matter to the republican base is what donald trump is fighting for, which is why these endorsements, i don't think will mean anything with regard to voters when they go to the polls in november. >> does it mean anything to you, sean, that qanon is maybe closer to where the president is than
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charlie dent? >> it doesn't, because ilhan omar is a democrat congresswoman from minnesota. and that's to say, does joe biden believe in bds? you can't tar and feather party some radical extremes on both sides. i think you can't play that game, otherwise, responsible for the positions that everyone in the party takes, which is, i think, really unfair. >> charlie, go ahead? >> sean, these qanon people are crazy. i think we can all acknowledge that. and i can tell you by the president embracing that candidate, he has put republican members in swing districts at risk. because democrats will tie that qanon candidate to more mainstream candidates. it is going to cause problems. we do the same thing. republicans will tie other democrats to the squad, right? that's fair turnaround. we do that, ado ththey do that.
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to suggest this is not a problem, sean, we can surely agree there is no place for qanon in either political party. a 9/11 truther ten years ago had somebody come out as a republican candidate ten years ago would have been ridiculed, mocked, and driven from the party. now the president calls them rising stars. >> but you and i both know this. we served in congress together. we never heard of qanon. i don't know what they are. i think what's more telling is you have radicals like antifa that are burning cities that are rioting, that are pulling people out of their cars and beating them up and you don't have joe biden who actually condemns antifa who's destroying american cities. that's what's concerning to me. you have one group that no one has heard of but another group that's destroying america, antifa, they're biden supporters, and biden doesn't call them out. that's the group that more americans know about on the radical side. >> i agree with you. i am absolutely opposed to
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antifa and all that they represent and these radicals who are torching our cities and frankly the democrats are vulnerable on public safety right now, because many of their elected leaders at a local level have an appalling indifferenindifference. we agree on that, sean -- >> the democrats, too. >> what's that? >> let charlie finish. >> i understand, but sean, we have to talk about broader principles. look, i did support the tax reform and the tax cuts. i am not with the president on trade. and frankly, a lot of this -- a lot of this campaign is really not so much policy driven, it's about, you know, normal versus abnormal. stable versus unstable. the president's sister came out the other day -- not by choice -- but i mean, all of these things, these attributes about the president that have caused so many people such grave concern. listen to the mattises and the tillersons and the kellies. the people who work for him tell
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us there's something seriously wrong. what part of that don't you understand? >> well, what i understand, charlie, is the impact that p s these policies have had on impact on people who live in wisconsin and michigan where we had three and a half years of great economic growth. that's what people cared about. and yes, donald trump was the one who was driving those policies. so you can't argument with the results. by the way, you talk about china. on trade, if we don't deal with china and stop them from lying and cheating and stealing from us, we don't have a future for our children. joe biden didn't mention it, but it goes back to the point that if you care about radical groups, joe biden hasn't called out group, hasn't condemned the group that's burning our cities and beating people up. that's what everyone hears about. >> joe biden has spoken out against the violence in the cities. joe biden says he doesn't want antifa and doesn't want to
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defund the police. you know that. and you also know that qanon is. i don't buy anymore anyone who comes on tv and says they don't know what qanon is. that argument is done and i'm not sure why it continues to be a talking point. charlie? >> sean, look, let's talk about china just for one second. if the president was serious about taking on china, we wouldn't have imposed tariffs in the name of national security on canada, mexico, europe, and south korea. he never built a coalition with our partners to take on china in a multi-lateral way, which is what he needed to do. everybody agrees, we should be fighting china on intellectual property theft and course of technology transfers and dumping of metals. we all get that and we're all for it, but he went about it the wrong way. you need a president who can actually build a coalition to take on china. we aren't going to be able to do this by ourselves. we are going to need partners. this president, he rejects allies, he insults themes. how do you insult the danes for
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pete's sake? this is what's happened. instead of, he doesn't embrace allies. that's part of the reason why i said, i'm going to support joe biden. i'm not asking for a lot, i want a president to be somewhat normal and embrace relationships. >> normally, you have a democrat party that is advocating for the green new deal. where i come from, the green new deal takes away cows in america because they have flat leulence. these are crazy policies. -- green new deal -- >> i didn't interrupt you, charlie. just to be clear, joe biden has never mentioned antifa. joe biden has never condemned antifa. he says he condemns violence. >> charlie -- >> the media hasn't asked him the question about antifa. >> you're trying to equate antifa with qanon and it's just not apples to apples. it's just not apples to apples at all. it is not apples to apples in
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any -- >> it is. >> -- way. and antifa isn't any kind of organization the way that qanon has now spread in this insidious group doing things. >> they're burning our cities. >> i'm going to let charlie speak for himself, but it's not apples to apples. >> it is. >> charlie, i'll give you the last word. >> sean, i think our party is facing a reckoning. if the president loses re-election and if the senate were to flip, we're going to have a serious adult conversation about what this party should stand for. after the 2012 election when romney left, an autopsy was done by the rnc and they made some pretty worthwhile recommendations about how the party has to expand its base, and that has not been happening under president trump. we have to appeal to people of color, minorities, younger people, women. we're having problems. we simply can't double down on a base that looks like you and me, san. there aren't enough people who look like us to win elections going forward. i'm looking forward to that
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conversation. we'll have that after the election. >> sean duffy, charlie dent, this was quite a conversation this morning. i appreciate you both getting up and joining us. >> thanks, john. >> prths bre protests breaking overnight in wisconsin after police repeatedly shot black man in the back. the incident caught on video. a live report from the scene and new details, next. nowadays you do more from home than ever before.
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breaking news overnight. wisconsin police shot a black man multiple times, reportedly in front of his children. the shooting, which was shot on cell phone video has sparked unrest in the area. polo sandoval is live in kenosha, wisconsin, with breaking details. what's the latest, polo? >> knowing that the victim actually survived the shooting and is hospitalized doesn't make it any easier to watch this video. it is disturbing and we'll play it for you in just a few seconds
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so you can see for yourself how the actual shooting happened. but first, let me tell you what led up to it. a police were called to a home here in kenosha. it's unclear who exactly called police or exactly why. but in the video, you will see a man who's been identified by the governor of the state as jacob blake, attempt to make his way to the driver's side of a dark. colored suv. as he makes his way into the suv, that's when one of two officers oppose fire. mr. blake is still in serious condition as of last check and we i canwant you to see this vi for yourself. it is disturbing to watch. [ gunshots ] [ screaming ] >> we're certainly going to be seeking more details, because it's important to note that what the video does not show is exactly what transpired before
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the shooting itself and also why the officer felt the need to use deadly force. but what we do know is it's led to tensions here in the community. those tensions certainly boiled over yesterday. behind me, you can see some garbage trucks that were positioned there to rye to politic access to some of the local government buildings. some of those buildings were damaged and set on fire. riot police are still on standby, although it's relatively peaceful. but there's certainly going to be many questions this morning, john. a lot of people are asking exactly what transpired, but i can tell you that the investigation itself, kenosha pd, taking a step back and handing that investigation over to wisconsin's department of justice. they're going to be in charge of investigating the shooting. >> polo, please keep us posted. i know there are developments occurring throughout the morning, so i appreciate it. we have a rare look at the president's one-time favorite tv network. the truth about fox news and the fox news presidency, as told by insiders. cnn's brian stelter with his record-setting number one,
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it's ridiculous. so ridiculous. with paycom, employees enter and manage their own data in a single, easy to use software. visit, and schedule your demo today. a behind-the-scenes look at fox news reveals the inex-trickable ties between the network's most famous hosts and president trump and how that creates the misinformation millions of americans are fed every day. joining us is cnn's chief media correspondent brian stelter, author of "hoax: donald trump, fox news and the dangerous distortion of truth." great to see you. >> you're so kind, thank you. >> it's number one on amazon and not only does that speak obviously well of you and your writing, because it's a great read, but of the insatable
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appetite. >> people want to know how this happened and what is going right and what is going wrong and a lot of what's going wrong in the trump era is the addiction to fox news. it's not like he's watching tv and getting great ideas and learn being the world and being well-informed. he's misinformed. that's the root of the problem. >> how it came to pass sean hannity, a right-wing radio host, college dropout as you point out in here becomes president trump's one of his top advisers. >> his shadow chief of staff. hannity was in santa barbara doing a radio show, made anti-gay remarks in the '80s, now says he regrets that but back at the time he used that controversy getting kicked off the radio for making offensive comments. he used that to get a job in a real radio station, went to huntsville, atlanta, and roger
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ailes brought him to fox news. now in the trump age everybody else is gone from fox, left or been fired. han sit still there. hannity is the survivor and trump knows he needs him. this is a mutually codependent relationship and at the same time behind the scenes hannity says trump is a run-on sentence, ablg acts like a crazy person, i can't get in a word edge wise. >> it's worse than what you're saying here. you have reporting that behind the scenes, because trump calls happenity all t i hannity and they talk at least one once a day, he says he's bat blank crazy. >> this is from multiple friends and colleagues of hannity who i've interviewed for this book. i worked on this for a couple years because i feel the untold story is the trump addiction and explains a loft the wrong-headed
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behavior that's happened. i think hannity is so focused on his business, on his rating success, he doesn't say what he really thinks about trump. >> and how has it taken a physical and emotional or at least mental toll that you describe in the book on hannity? >> early on the trump era he's vaping a lot, gaining weight. i gained a little bit of weight during the trump years. i get it, it's been stressful for a lot of people but he did describe to friends the toll this took on his life and also is going through a lengthy, long divorce with his wife, finalized last week, sorry, last year, so certainly i feel like all day, all year we cover these stories of families being torn apart by trump, people being stressed out by trump. it's even true at fox. >> i think that's really interesting. we were talking about earlier the impact that president trump has had even on his own family, the fight now between mary trump and the rest of her family. >> or the conways. >> the conways, just behind the
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scenes, impact as you just explained that it's had on so many people. >> i heard it from executives as well. fox executives say to me "i wish the president would watch less tv." come on, guys, you're the ones feeding him this stuff. happened week one with the inauguration crowd size debacle, your colleague john berman on cnn brought it up, you were talking about it on "new day," the president was watching, he freaked out, and it ruined the first day of his presidency. but fox was always the safe space. he tweeted that morning, "thank you "fox & friends." he was triggered by cnn, relieved what he has seen on fox. when i wrote the book i forgot about how often the president is misled by a banner on fox news, he tweets about north korea in response to fox news. it's scary. >> and one of the things i think you do so well in the book is spell out how fox news was not really set up as a traditional
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news organization ever. they don't follow the same rules that news organizations like cnn, look the "new york times" have to, so therefore, there is this misinformation loop and then it ends up turning into poli policy all americans are affected by. >> matters during a pandemic. i was with my editor until midnight, we're up late dealing with the nuances of a story trying to get every word right. at fox there are not the checks and balances that exist at most news organizations, including conservative news organizations. fox doesn't have that. it's like they're up there on a tight rope without ate net and that's dangerous. i have an employee at fox who spoke to me on the record who says fox's allegiance with president trump is a risk to our democracy. he spoke out when he was still there, he's since left the network. other staffers feel the same way especially in this pandemic. that's why it's called "hoax." trump and hannity at one point
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used the word hoax, talking about the democrats' politicization of the virus but gave permission to the viewers to not take it seriously. >> it set the tone. when our thoughtful sane, smart cnn viewers wonder why they need to read another book about fox, that's the answer. what do you tell them why this is so important from all of them? >> no one heard from the insiders at fox, people around the network in some cases embarrassed, trying to make excuses and justify why they work there. it's under tremendous amount of stress because of lack of leadership and because of the pandemic this is exacerbated, the pandemic has changed fox as well. they're encouraging people to go back to work but we're not going back to work. their producers are working from home. the hypocrisy at the heart of fox is so disappointing but it doesn't have to be this way.
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hannity doesn't have to mislead the public, doesn't have to say "hoax" every day. maybe there's a truthier way forward. >> therein lies the place where you and i diverge because it's a business model. i'll quote from the book one of the key reasons why the fox/trump merger was beneficial to rupert murdoch they would have $2 billion in profit a year, you know an executive joked, we print money in the basement. they have a business model that works for them and i don't know that they're going to change that. okay, on that note -- >> i think you're right but i always try to be an optimist, alisyn, i look for hope somewhere. >> the book again is called "hoax" by brian stelter, a great read. great to talk to you. the new advisory from the national hurricane center is in on two tropical storms we're watching bear down on the gulf coast and "new day" continues right now.
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a one-two punch, the gulf coast bracing for two storms. >> by themselves, each storm would be considered manageable, but combine their impacts and no one's really sure what to expect. >> it is possible there could be some spots measuring rainfall in one to two feet instead just in inches. the delegates from across the country will formally cast their ballots for donald trump and mike pence to be the ticket for the republican party. >> unlike the democrats last week, there was complaints, they didn't offer by much by way of policies and solutions president trump will lay out real policies and solutions. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome. this is "new day." the republican national convention kicks off this morning, it begins with a roll call in north carolina, the only in-person event of the week. president trump plans to appear every night of the convention


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