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judiciary committee for the democrat reform effort all ready on how to reconcile the proproposals and despite the clear bipartisan urgency over whether a reform plan will actually get to the president's desk. we are six months in to the coronavirus pandemic. the virus has killed 116,000 americans infected north of 2.1 million. you see the states in red and orange, 21 states the infection is trending upward again and experts warning, likely to follow is the spike in hospit hospitalizations and deaths as well and any talk of trouble is alarmist and he said there is no second coronavirus wave. on the latter point, the vice president is technically correct. the nation's top expert says we are still in the middle of the first wave. the election five months in front of us is shaping the white house message on the coronavirus much less than the numbers today or the lessons of the past six months. 1,000 americans continue to die daily, that is fact.
not as the vice president suggests some media conspiracy designed to sow fear. and the states seeing record coronavirus state increases in recent days. the republican governors say they can manage this and there will be no new restrictions. >> no, we are not shutting down. we are going to go forward and we will continue to protect the most vulnerable. we will urge, continue to advise particularly our elderly population to maintain social distancing, avoid crowds? we are now in a situation where we are co-existing with covid-19 where we do not have to choose between either returning to jobs or protecting health care. >> we'll have more on the pandemic later. up first this hour, details on the politics of the new senate republican police reform bill. the majority mitch mcconnell is in favor of the fast track. the republican effort being led by the only black republican
letter by tim scott. >> are you supporting the law enforcement community or supporting communities of color. this is a false, binary choice. >> let's get straight to cnn's manu raju on capitol hill. a big deal from the senate republicans and what's in it, and what's not in it, the bigger question, will it get to the finish line? >> that's the big question. democrats are criticizing this proposal and chuck schumer just took to the senate floor saying this bill does not go far enough and there are glaring differences with the house bill and can they reconcile those differences and will they allow it to come forward and allow to bring changes to the floor and we'll see if they can get a deal to get 60 votes where bipartisan deal is needed to get it out of the chamber, and a lot of work ahead as we go through the legislative process, but there are significant differences.
this bill includes essentially incentivizes states to take action and uses money to force action. it doesn't outright ban police choke holds for instance and to tell states and localities that they don't have policies in place to ban choke holds and then they may not get the federal dollars and unlike the democratic bill which calls for a ban on no-knock warrants and drug cases, that doesn't go that far in the republican bill. they're asking states to report on the use of such tactics and then they'll make decisions down the line. also, there's big, glaring difference is that the democrats make it easier for people to sue police officers in civil court if their constitutional rights have been allegedly infringed and so-called qualified immunity. the republicans say that is essentially a poison pill and i did ask tim scott whether or not
he'd be open to national mandates like the democrats are calling for including the use of body cameras and the republicans didn't rule out in their bill. there are certain things that the republican congress just will not go for, but those are conversations that need to be had in the days ahead. so, john, bipartisan support to do something on police reform, but significant differences on both sides about what that actually will look like and major questions still about whether the two parties can come together, agree in something in this election year and this environment to get to the president's desk any time soon. >> very little has been able to crack the polarization in washington. we will see in this moment in the country does, manu raju, thanks. joining us is cnn's political correspondent dana bash. we have watched in recent years not just the trump presidency and in recent years, pre-dating
president trump and the two parties have talked, and i have a proposal, i have a proposal and they don't reconcile and house democrats marking up a plan and senate republicans saying we're ready to fast track a scomplan they each would pass proposal and they would get together. is what's happening in america enough to crack america to talk past each other and actually talk with each other? >> that's the key question. i've heard several people who are on the front lines saying that this is a reckoning, that that is the description of this moment in time when it comes to race relations, when it comes to law enforcement is how they intersect. so the question is whether or not congress is going to break a very, very, very bad habit that we have seen on both sides of wanting an issue more than a solution and that habit is again, not new. it is not just from the trump era. it has gotten worse certainly in
the last three and a half years, but it is essentially true at any time before an election. and so in the short term the first questions is going to be whether or not democrats in the senate even vote yes on starting debate. it's something that they've been grappling with, and the answer is they don't know. if they don't vote yes on debate it means that it's over and they're not going have this discussion. if they do, then maybe they can have a real honest to goodness back and forth about the big differences that manu laid out, and then maybe they can find a way to pass it in the senate and then they will reconcile it with the house and the way it is supposed to work and it is an art of legislating that so many people in congress have no idea how to do anymore because it's been so long since they've been able to overcome politics on big things. >> it seems, forgive me, idiotic
not to allow the debate to start. i don't know why you wouldn't start it. to test your chance e but that is the challenge of the moment. we've watched this play out and we're seeing and we're meeting new leaders every day, whether it's the protesters out on the streets and during the coronavirus crisis it has been the mayors and the governors stepping forward. we often hear the majority leader and the committee chairman and today it was tim school, the sole african-american coming forward and telling people out on the streets across america, "i hear you." that has been said a lot, driving while black and i got a warning ticket for failing to use my turn signal earlier in my lane change, and so this issue continues and that's why it is so important for us to say that we hear you. we are listening to your
concerns. there's no question of his urgency and his passion on this issue. the question is is he the man of the moment or are they, the men and women of the moment, will they get past this because they have significant bipartisan differences, can they sort it out? >> that's a big question, and you hear senator tim scott speaking to his experience as an african-american man even though he is a senator and being pulled over. that's something that he has spoken about in recent yurs and he's been able to convince a number of his colleagues including a large number of his white male colleagues and this is an issue that needs to be discussed and an issue that needs to be addressed and i'm not sure that his discussion with president trump has been effective. you've heard president trump talking about protesters being thugs and they need to be shot, and vicious white house dogs would take care of them and the secret service had a very easy time with the protesters and dispersing peaceful protesters.
even though senator scott says he hear the protesters it's a very different message you hear the president putting forward. policing suffers from any sort of racism even on a small level and they're on different places on that even though some republicans are starting to move on this issue, it doesn't seem like the president is there yet and if the president isn't there it may be hard to move forward as a united front. we have seen on things that should be easy, and the two parties can't agree and either the president doesn't engage or he engages late and blows up potential deals. on this question, there are philosophical differences and it essentially uses grants or incentives and you should ban check holds. you should be more transparent about this, we're not going make you do it, because you will gets more money if they do. the federal government has to require these things and the
question is, listen to the president, does he shake this tone and push for a deal? >> americans know the truth, without police there is chaos, without law there is anarchy and without safety there is catastrophe. we need leaders at every level of government who have the moral clarity to state these obvious facts. >> he's reading from the prompter there yesterday, but that's a very different tone than tim scott and the republican senators who said look, we need strong police forces that have trust in the community and it is our job to try to figure out how to bridge that divide. >> yeah. you didn't hear tim scott or any of the republicans in that press conference this morning talking about our nation's heritage which historically has been a dog whistle for racism, and that is the term and the phrase that the president of the united states used in the rose garden just yesterday even as he was signing this executive order. tone matters, but i think you raise an important points which
is as much as people say that they want to get things done when you peel it back, what the democrats want is much more in line with their philosophy which is federal mandate and what republicans want is much more in line with their philosophy which is incentive, but not a mandate, and the question is whether they can find a way to thread that needle. it is doable. it has been done before on so many pieces of legislation, but the will has to be there and even though things are so highly charged right now, i'm not sure that will is there. >> we'll see if it is and for people watching around the country this is a chance to exercise your will and demand they give it an honest effort. thank you very much. the vice president wants you at home to declare a coronavirus victory and he wants you to thank his boss. so, by keeping your gut healthy, you keep your immune system healthy. try align gut health and immunity support to help naturally support your gut health and boost your immune system,
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♪ ♪ vice president mike pence says it is time to celebrate a coronavirus success story, and he suggests the media is fearmongering and trying to scare you. you live this every day so you know the truth where you live, and you be the complexity of this moment whether you're still at home, back at work, trying to sort a summer vacation and trying to find out if the kids go back to school in september. packs are facts no matter what the vice president says or writes. we want to bring in our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. if you look, the vice president says we should be celebrating and if you look at the trend map and 21 states heading in the right direction and that's the orange states and if you're red, your case count this week is 50% higher than last week and if you're 50% orange your case count, and that is mostly across the south and eight states are
holding steady and 21 states heading down in their case count. i want to lack at this by the day. we've been at this for months and this is the daily new, confirmed cases since march 1st. if you go back to april down a little bit and we're still looking at 20,000 cases or plus a day in the united states. lack at that trend line and compare it to italy. a smaller country, less diverse and less of a challenge, but that's what it's supposed to look like if you have it under control. that's what it is in the united states, a stubborn plateau. the vice president said we should be celebrates. >> we don't have the luxury of talking about a second wave, and there are several places around the world that have truly brought their case counts low enough where they can say, look, let's plan on the idea of trying to prevent a significant second wave. we're not even out of the first wave yet and there are real
concerns as we crunch the numbers and look at what's happening in states all over the country, obviously as you points out some doing better than others, but as a country, the idea that we may have significant peaks within this first wave is very real and i worry that there's been a lack of urgency since the beginning in the united states that it being really manifest here during this first wave with significantly increased numbers. >> and worry, i just want to make clear, the vice president says we are fearmongering. he's trying to help people sort through the challenge in their lives. let's look at the number. if you look at most new cases, maybe it's not a surprise, texas, california and three of the cases and arizona, a day to day record yesterday and north carolina, a high case number. one of the conversations, sanjay, is a lot of these governors say we're testing more and that's why we're seeing more cases just because we're testing more and if you look at the case, and this is florida
especially when you come from april into may and the availability of testing and the frequency of testing went up quite a bit, but you tell me if i'm right about this, but in listening to experts, as you test more, y you es, you go up then you go down and you isolate them and stop the spread of infection. you stop it in florida and they are doing that. >> this sounds counterintuitive, if you're doing adequate testing and as the case goes up, the testing may come down and you are able to isolate them and to decrease the spread of the virus and that is the whole reason and that is one of the primary reasons you actually increased testing significantly. so in the united states, doing 500 tests a day, roughly, some of the experts say you need to be doing ten fold that ask closer thand
close enough, like the graph you showed in italy, for example. we're not there yet. in oklahoma which is in the news a lot because of what's happening in the news this weekend, testing rates have gone down and what has happened to case counts? that's gone up and that's the worst case sort of situation because there just over the last week, one-fifth of the cases in oklahoma were diagnosed despite the fact that testing has gone down. >> you just mentioned oklahoma, and i'll look ahead, and you see texas and then oklahoma and it is in the deeper red which means 50% higher cases this week than the week before. the president wants to have a big rally. you were fact checking this yesterday on twitter, the vice president's up, and he says it's fearmongering. some of these states will handle this and watch the hospitalization rates and it's not ideal that you're going up and go through the points when you read what the vice president wrote and i want to read what you said about the second wave. we slowed the spread and we've cared if the most vulnerable and
saved lives and we created a solid foundation, that's a cause for celebration, not the media's fearmongering. it stresses the system, but we've got it. when you look at this map, you just mentioned oklahoma. you see problems. >> it is not fear mongering and not inciting panic and this is fixable which has not addressed in this country and there are countries around the world that throughout this entire pandemic, you are measuring the death counts in the hundreds and not the hundreds of thousands that we are in this country. this was an addressable problem. the fact that we didn't address it early on and the fact that we're still not addressing it and the fact that people are getting together without masks and close quarters are ludicrous. we will look back on this and it will seem shameful what has happened there, because we put a lot of people at risk who do not
need to be at risk and people who died and there are preventable deaths when you look at the right side of the screen. they did not have to happen. this was inevitable and it's a bad virus and that is true and it is circumnavigating the screen that is true. and those numbers on the right side of the screen is inevitable. now we have another chance to do the right thing, and instead, big rally, indoors, no mask, no physical distancing. if you had to drib a worst-case scenario, that would be it. is that fearmongering, john? i don't know. as a health person, you've got to be honest about this stuff and that's what it is, it's honesty. you had the head of the crowe task force, the vice president not wearing a mask in a public situation and not physically distancing. i just don't understand it at all. how many times have we had conversations like this now, john? it's ludicrous. >> there is an old saying, we
report you decide. i don't know where that came from. it's not really a joke. when you look at this map, some of the states will manage it and some of the states that are orange and red will be back to beige and green and we will push it down, and the question is when you see so much red, i want you to listen to dr. zeke emanuel from the obama administration, what you see is follow the dot approach, if you have the orange now meaning the case count is up and what comes next is hospitalizations. listen. >> you will see a spike in the number of cases and then a few days or a week later you'll see a spike in the hospitalizations and then a few days later you will see a spike in the deaths and unless you actually implement these public health measures of physical distancing, wearing masks, avoiding crowds and not going into bars, you are going to have that and it is inevitable despite the happy talk coming out of the white house. >> it's an interesting point there in the sense, look, this
is the united states of america and there will be disagreement. you need to have the economy reopen. you can't keep the economy shut forever, but to zeke's point, the president is holding a rally. if you're going to be open, you need consistent messaging about common sense safety measures like masks, correct? >> correct. there is a middle ground here. i get it and there are places saying, hey, look, we don't want to go back into shutdown mode again and that is really hard and tough, and i understand that, i live in this country, as well, and the issue is are you going to completely sacrifice the middle ground? we know that masks can work and now we have evidence and we are moving together, clearly. what's the likelihood i'm going to give you the virus. a study came out in "the lancet," 17.4%. there will be studies that show this. what if i am wearing the mask,
what is the chance they will transmit it to you, it's a sixfold transmission. why wouldn't we do that when we've seen it work and what they've done in other countries around the world. there is a middle ground that we're hopefully not abandoning in all of this, jo know. >> dr. sanjay gupta appreciate the facts and not fear mongering. >> the prosecutor in atlanta schedules a news conference today in the rayshard brooks case. what does she want? e giving mems a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus
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attorney has scheduled a 3:00 press conference this afternoon to discuss possible charges in the killing of rayshard brooks, that, of course, happened at the hands of atlanta police in a wendy's parking lot. a lot of anticipation about the prosecutor making this decision, dianne. >> reporter: that's right. the district attorney said this would be announcing what his decision is, that would mean a, he's come to a decision, and b, he's gathered the evidence or not been able to find the evidence that he needs to go ahead and make those formal
charges public. now paul howard has talked with us at cnn about what the possible charges could be against those two officers, officer garrett rolfe and officer brosnan. he is looking at murder, felony murder and voluntary manslaughter. felony murder is something that paul howard said he was looking at because he said it is basically a charge that involves a death that comes as a result as a commission of an underlying felony and howard said in this particular case the underlying felony would be aggravated assault. it's completely possible that a, no charges are presented at all or b, different charges than the ones that howard has spoke publicly about are the ones that he had determined are most appropriate here. the district attorney talked about needing additional evidence to gather as he was coming up with his decision including ballistics
information, and us brewiintervg some additional witnesses and he struggled to get all of the video from the police department that he had to go through. at cnn we obtained quite a bit and more than an hour's worth, a lot to go through. at 3:00 p.m., people are starting to gather in anticipation for what that decision may be. >> we appreciate the live reporting from the scene of that horrific tragedy. joining me to discuss this more is the atlanta city council member joyce shepherd. council member shepherd, thanks for being with us. that's your district. that's your wendy's. what are you expecting to hear? what do you need to hear from the district attorney and what double your constituent, members of your community need to hear? >> well, in terms of the district attorney, i don't know what he's going to say today, for me at this point it's not about one police officer doing something or police officers doing this. this is something for me what's
more important other than the d.a. is that as a council member we begin to talk about dramatic changes in the police department, i'm sorry, and so to that point, i'm not going to go into that with the d.a. and the police officer, we need to reform the police department. the police department needs a complete overhaul. so what i saw happen in my district last week, this past weekend was that officers could have used a different tactic in terms of looking at how they handled that situation. so for me the police department officers are using s.o.p. standards and we did everything we were supposed to do according to our laws and regulations, but that's not enough. what we need to be doing is looking at how we actually police and that needs to be completely overhauled. the police could have let the gentleman go? he was intoxicated? was he a threat? was he causing any harm to
anybody? he complied, and the witnesses there said look, i'm off the street. i live right up the street, let me walk home. so there could have been a lot of different things that he could have done that could have changed the whole process and he didn't have to get locked up and we talk about locking up people for things like that, is that something that we should have folks in jail for, if we determined that a citizen is doing what's right in terms of complying with you and interacting with you, we need to look at the police department and looking at changes in terms of what we could do, and does that mean changing the law and looking at that time from a different perspective and that's what we need to do, but i believe until we do, we will have more police officers doing the same thing. >> one of the questions is whether officer rolfe should have been there in the first place. i want you to listen to chris stewart, an attorney for the brooks family saying in his view this is a police officer who
should have been sidelined a long time ago. listen. >> we've been flooded with calls from people in the community that have had interactions with him negatively. we will also be looking into why were all of these nine of the 12, i think, dismissed which is an issue that we see constantly with some police departments is that internal affairs complaints aren't followed through. >> you talk about police reform. certainly, you want officers on the scene who are trained to de-escalate and not escalate the situation. do you believe the reforms need to include revising the policies and increasing the transparency of internal affairs and the disciplinary investigations in the police department? >> absolutely. absolutely. we need to make sure that there is a process, if it's internal and it's not about police officers we look at doing something that someone is looking at it from a different perspective and somebody who has no investment in that and police officers that are looking at the police officers. so yes, we need to look at
everything. we need to be looking at if officers have had x amount of offenses in the community we need to let them go, send them back. retrain them, give them options and if they can't follow that, they don't need to be there. yes. >> councilwoman joyce sheperd, we'll keep in touch in the days ahead, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next for us, arizona setting a record this week. an unwelcome record.
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monday, just a single icu medical center, better contract your governor quickly. was that a bad moment in a bad day or are you at a tipping point? >> we have certainly seen over the course of the last several weeks that as cases have gone up so have hospitalizations. we've participated on the arizona surge line which is a way the state is triaging patients throughout the regions and to the patient volume. last week we were accepting patients and this week we did hit our capacity in our covid-designated icu unit and we have patients who we believe will need icu care in 24 hours. >> i just want to put up. this is tuesday, 292 new cases and 25 new deaths in the state, and they're accelerating the
pace of the reopening and if you read the vice president of the united states in "the wall street journal" today says wye should be celebrating the success and this is an issue that you've talked about for months now. that you do not believe that you have access to the kind of testing you need to quickly be able to make a decision. is this a covid patient? is this a non-covid patient? that would help dramatically with the hospitalization problem that you're talking about. >> correct. when we look -- we've been talking about different kinds of testing over the course of this pandemic and we've talked about the availability of community testing and that's greatly improved and what we are struggling with is rapid testing and getting that result in two hours rather than two days so we can make the right decision about where to put these patients, we currently have 60 -- 36 patients in our hospital who are pending the results of the covid test because we have not been able to get an adequate supply of the
rapid test that would allow us to put those patients in a non-covid room because a high number of the patients who are back as covid negative, and so they don't need those dedicated covid resources and we are looking to work with our private partners, lab partners to increase the number of rapid tests available to hospitals like tucson medical center and also with our government partners to be able to see what we're able to do with them to bring this because this would help us address those capacity issues if we can rapidly understand if a patient is presenting to us with positive for covid or if they are here for another situation. >> julie strange at the tucson medical center. best of luck in the days ahead and we'll keep in touch. when we come back, the racial reckoning and proof that the protests in the streets are getting attention from corporate america. heto bring it back.
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as well. the company said as we work to make progress towards racial equality through several initiatives we must also take a hard look at our portfolio of brands ensuring they reflect our values and meet customers expectations. and this is a company recognizing, and many are, the cost of doing nothing here will be higher than the cost of taking a stand. never mind doing what's right. companies are looking at their hiring practices. they're looking at what their brands represent. when i saw the move, next thought, what about uncle ben's? they reacted quickly. look at their statement today too. as wep listen to voices of consumers especially in the black community and to the voices of our associates worldwide, we recognize that now is the right time to eresolve the uncle ben's brand, including its visual brand identity, which we will do. better late than never. you know, we don't know what
either of these products will look like going forward but we can be assured very different. the hope, businesses are leading with symbolic gestures, politicians will follow to make real change. we hope, john. >> amen. small, modest steps but every step counts and coming quickly. appreciate the reporting. don't forget for the latest stock market news and strategies for your portfolio check out "markets now" only at cnn business. up next, new jersey's attorney general orders police to name officers disciplined. he joins us next. never run dry of...
new jersey is launching a new effort to bring more transparency about police conduct. states attorney generals publicly identifying officers seriously disciplined. mandate applying to officers fired, demoted or suspended more than five days because of disciplinary violations. the officers names made public yearly. joining me, the attorney general. thank you for being with us today. why do you think this is so
important you and i see, police union statements. some unions pushing back in resistance. a new jersey benevolent association, the directsive does not treat every officer equally while the term sounds like an officer severely violated public trust, police officers widely differing from town to town. is that a fair pushback? >> well, john, thanks for having me. the important point here is that for decades in this state we've kept secret the names of officered fired, demoted and received major discipline. what we've asked each department, all 533 to do, is put out a list on a yearly basis that lists the names of officers, gives us a synopsis of the misconduct and the resolution. so it does not apply to minor infractions. we're talking excessive use of form which comes under major
dismiss or would get you fired. talking driving while intoxicated, domestic violence situation. sweeps in a broader level and captures five-day suspension for uniform violation that's made plain in the synopsis provided but not a fair criticism. what we have to do, create a culture of accountability. one point i do want to make is that our state police is going back 20 years to do this for 20 years of reporting, and other cities like patterson are following, because we need to change the culturculture. >> talking about the culture, public transparency. an absolute right. citizens pay for the officers through taxes and whatnot. what is the system now? can you get this information if you want to find it or are even you blocked? >> i have access to this information. we're xpooexperiencing a lack o confidence and trust in law
enforcement. it's my job to take steps so people trust our cops. an example in the case of state police. 3,000 trooper who do their jobs honorably, do them without incident. every year might have 10 to 20 who receive a discipline that falls into this category. that's less than one-half percent. the time protecting the few to detriment of many must come to an end. the public that a right to know. my state i don't have a licensing system and don't know if an officer is fired from a particular department, is working somewhere else. we've had officers move between nine departments and recently get arrested as soon as last week for major misconduct. we're trying to stop that behavior from continuing. we're trying to promote professionalism, transparency and accountability. it starts by not protecting that half a percent and shine ag lig shining a light on the good work
of many. >> appreciate your insight. >> thank you, john. >> thank you, sir. near the top of the hour. hello, everybody. i'm john king from washington. thanks for sharing your day. reshaping the american life, the coronavirus pandemic and protests over police brutality. passing police reforms today. to be republican promising a fast track to action. it's remarkable, an important "but." a big defensive between the republicans and democratic plan and whether a reform plan will actually get to the president's desk. >> too often we're having a discussion in this nation about, are you supporting the law enforcement community or are you supporting communities of color? this is a false binary choice. >> we're six months into the coronavirus pandec at