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the sparks that make america shine. signed, sealed, undelivered. the house votes to impeach donald trump setting up an angry presidential response. >> you're declaring open war on american democracy. >> and now critical of the senate process, house democrats throw the president's trial into limbo. >> frankly, i don't care what the republicans say. >> a member of each party's leadership, republican senator roy blunt and democratic senator dick durbin coming up. and angling for a top finish in iowa, the top 2020 democrats make their case.
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>> i have the experience of actually getting the things done that he talks about. >> will it work? presidential candidate amy klobuchar joins us next. plus, strike a pose. candidates' modern way of connecting with voters. >> selfie! >> how the art of the selfie is changing the way presidential hopefuls campaign. hello, i'm dana bash in for jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is at a stalemate. president trump impeached by the house of representatives for abuse of power and obstruction of congress, but the process is at a standstill. congress went home for the holiday break, and house speaker nancy pelosi is still holding the articles of impeachment and will, she says, until the senate agrees on what the trial will look like. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says no skin off my back. he's in no rush for an impeachment trial.
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he's holding off senators calling for a trial. assuming a senate trial does happen. senators running for president will have to balance serving as impeachment jurors with precious time on the campaign trail. the iowa caucuses are around the corner. with me is one of those senators working hard in iowa hoping her debate performance helps there. amy klobuchar is democratic candidate for president, also a member of the judiciary committee in the senate. so, senator, you have said that you and your fellow democrats should do whatever it takes to push for witnesses in the senate trial, but as you know, the senate majority leader, mitch mccobblm mcconnell, isn't on board. >> i think there will be an agreement and this trial will go forward.
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i think what is shocking to me is right now, despite the president claiming his innocence, claiming that he wants to present witnesses, he's the one blocking the witnesses, dahna. he's the one -- he could have his acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, testify. we just found out this weekend that someone who works for mulvaney, michael duffy, had sent an email 90 minutes after the president made the critical call to the ukrainian president. this guy sent an email, i have it here, we just found it, it says given the sensitive nature of the request, i appreciate your keeping this information closely held. he said, don't release any of the funds. this man should testify, and i will add one more thing. when richard nixon -- when those hearings were held, richard nixon had all the president's men testify. he had major people testify from his administration and they're being blocked. and don't be surprised, the
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polls show 64% of republicans think these witnesses should testify. >> just to follow up quickly, you think there will be an agreement soon, but it sounds like there will probably be votes on whether these witnesses will be asked to come forward? >> you know, i don't know exactly how well will this will go down. i know we have a constitutional duty to take on this important case. >> okay. >> the president betrayed the trust of the american people. i have been saying the same thing as i say in public behind closed doors with our leadership in the senate. i'm in the leadership team and i've made very clear, we should do whatever it takes and i can still run for president. i'm a mom. i can do two things at once. >> let's talk about that, running for president. at this week's debate, one of the biggest moments was your criticism of mayor pete buttigieg over what you said was his lack of experience. listen to how he responded on cnn. >> well, i think the suggestion is that i don't understand the ways of washington.
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as reality is, i understand them, i just don't accept them. the american people are fed up with the way things are going in washington and i think we need to bring change. might just be a good idea from that change to come outside the beltway. >> so he's basically saying he's an outsider, you're an insider. your response? >> my response is what i said on that stage, is that he basically had condemned the experience, he said 100 years of experience on this stage in the previous debate, and i pointed out to him that experience does matter. that is how we got the consumer financial protection bureau, because of elizabeth work or two people who weren't on that stage last time, cory booker's work on the first step act which is going to help get a lot of people out of prison that shouldn't have been there, or kamala harris's work helping consumers in california. i just think that someone has experience can be a really good thing right now. and we have a president who went in there with no experience and
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has done nothing when it comes to helping regular people. what do i hear in iowa? i hear about people who are struggling to pay for insulin, people who are struggling to send their kids to college and when he passed that tax bill, he could have helped regular people. instead, he went down to mar-a-lago and said to his friends, hey, we just made you a lot richer. guess what, none of the people from iowa were sitting in that room. >> senator, also as the debate you were asked a question about your vote to confirm a trump appointed federal judge who further dismantled obamacare this week. you acknowledged that, quote, there are some of these judges that you think are going to be okay and they aren't. so you've actually voted for dozens of trump nominated judges. was that a mistake? >> i've actually voted against dozens of those judges. >> it's about half and half. >> i have a pretty good record. you can, yes, but i am somewhere in the middle of our caucus on
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these judge votes. i think everyone tries to make their best determination. i think what i pointed out is the person that actually wrote that decision was a judge that had been supported by president obama and ted kennedy and bernie sanders and many other people, including myself. so my point here is what's really going on is that the trump administration brought this case. they're trying to dismantle the affordable care act and some of my colleagues on that debate stage want to actually start over with medicare for all. and as i said, i -- go ahead. >> just to button up. i just want to ask the original question, which is on the trump judges, yes, you voted against a lot, but you also voted aye on 29 of the judges and 26 others were approved by voice vote so you gave tacit approval. do you regret that now? >> i would have to look at each of those judges. i don't carte blanche make a decision about each judge based
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on whether or not trump nominated them. i think most of my -- if it went by voice vote, then every other presidential candidate that's up there in the senate voted for them as well. you make your best judgment. i think the bigger case is as president i will be able to appoint the kind of judges that we see right now that i admire like elena kagan and sonya sotomayor and justice ginsburg. barack obama took every suggestion i made have been excellent, excellent judges. that's what you look at as well as my experience. when justice kavanaugh, then nominee kavanaugh took me on i didn't back down. i strongly opposed him and made a point to the american people. >> we've been talking about the debate and what happened there. looking ahead to the debate in january, you say you've already qualified for that debate. so far only -- >> yes. >> -- five white candidates have
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qualified. why do you think that is? >> you have to look at each individual campaign. i am hopeful that that won't be the end. my friend cory booker's out here in iowa campaigning as well. i know that andrew yang has qualified, at least partway, toward making that debate. we will see what happens as this campaign keeps going. there's been a lot of twists and turns. all i know is this, dahna, we have a huge momentum going on right now. every one of our events in tiny, tiny towns, we've just done 15 counties, have had record crowds. we've raised over a million dollars from regular people at amyklobuchar.com after that debate. we've doubled our offices in iowa, doubled our staff in new hampshire and in nbc north caro and south carolina. >> you know what else you have, you have a dopple ganger on snl.
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take a look. >> yes. yes. no, i -- >> the only cave i ever go to is a man cave. i call it the senate. there are more of these classic zingars only on costco plus streaming services. >> standup amy klobuchar special coming soon? >> that's pretty good. yes. well, that was a pretty fun part of the debate, actually, when i pointed out there the discussion had gone so long so i suggested that maybe we should go to the wind cave in south dakota which is a national park. what you'd like to know, dahna, now i have a number of spelunkers that are excited about my candidacy. >> you never know. >> in a close primary you -- >> one constituency at a time. >> that is exactly how i am going to win this. >> thanks for joining me.
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appreciate it. speaker nancy pelosi says she won't hand over the articles of impeachment until the senate outlines its plan for a trial. will that work? top republican senator roy blunt joins me next. can you even be a true political junkie if you don't post a selfie with your candidate? stay with us. searching for a way to help stop your cold sore? only abreva can get rid of it in... ...as little as 2 1/2 days when used at the first sign. abreva starts to work immediately to block the virus and protect healthy cells. abreva acts on it. so you can too.
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welcome back to state of the uni union, i'm dana bash. joining me now is a member of the republican leadership, senator roy bluntd. thank you so much for coming in this morning. you've been in congress a long time. >> i have. >> you have relationships across the aisle. what is your sense, are you going to come up with a deal so that this trial will start early january? >> i think a deal is easy to come up with. we've even got the plan in place from what happened in the clinton impeachment and i think that's ultimately where we wind up, where we start down this path. let both sides make their case. let the house impeachment
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managers make their case. let the president for what i would argue as the first time make his case publicly, for his defenders do that, and see where we are. that's what happened with clinton. i think that's the best way to approach this. my guess is that's what we do, otherwise, we just sort of start down the path where 51 senators decide every issue as it comes up. i don't know that anyone either wants to have that happen or take the time that would take on either side for us to get this out before the american people, both sides having a chance to present their case. >> as you well know, the standoff right now is that the speaker is holding the articles of impeachment at the house until the parameters of the trial are done. "the wall street journal" editorial board said that the senate could and even should hold a trial. you're the chair of the rules committee. is that possible? have you looked into that? >> i don't know that that's possible.
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that's very unlikely. i frankly don't think the speaker has the right to do this or the power to do this. the speaker has a lot of power. once the house has spoken, the speaker doesn't get the decision as to whether or not she transmits that decision to the senate in my view. i think we'll have this all handled by the time we get back in january. i'm sure everybody is beginning to figure out how to present their case. frankly, i think it's a mistake on the speaker's part. i think this is pretty political anyway and this is sort of the icing on the political cake. we're at the end. the speaker still can't let go of this as an issue to try to ring the last vest stage of politics out of. i mean, the outcome here is virtually certain as i've been saying for weeks, a partisan vote in the house would almost certainly result in a partisan vote in the senate so that the outcome is certain. trying to get that last thing out of it rather than move on as the speaker appeared to want to
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do one day last week and then suddenly she decides to involve herself in what the senate wanted to do. >> you say the outcome is almost certain. i want you to listen to what a couple of your republican colleagues have said. >> i'm not an impartial juror. >> this is a political process. this is not anything judicial about it. impeachment is a political decision. >> i am trying to give a pretty clear signal i have made up my mind. >> have you made up your mind? >> well, based on what i know right now, i just don't think they made the case. i don't think they came close to making the case. this is called a trial because there's really in the constitution i think no better thing to call it, but it's a very political process. five of the so-called jurors running for president. not a single republican in the house convinced that they should vote for either the articles of impeachment and a couple of democrats convinced that they shouldn't vote for the articles of impeachment.
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so it's not a classic -- i was talking to a federal judge one day this week and he said, how could you call this really a trial? he was a federal judge for a decade or more where half of the jurors can overrule what the judge decides ought to happen next. it's not a trial in any classic sense, it is a political decision to do it and at the end of the day every single member of the senate has considerations that are pretty obvious skbl okay. so you don't think that the house made its case, but let's just talk about one of the basic things, which is the president asking a foreign country, the leader of a foreign country, to investigate a man who is a polite ral rival of his. is that appropriate? >> well, at the same time you had the attorney general asking leaders of other countries to help them look into the 2016 elections. whether it's -- >> which is to benefit the united states. this is a specific ask specifically about his political opponent. so do you feel that that's
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appropriate? >> well, the president and the secretary of state and the retired lieutenant general who's a foreign policy advisor all feel like that call was within the bounds -- >> what do you think? what does roy blunt think? >> i've never been happy with any of the ukraine decisions since the russians invaded crimea. we told president obama in december of 2015 to provide lethal aid, which he never did. you know, i've never been happy with the way any of this has been handled regarding ukraine and we're trying to do what we can now to be helpful. >> so your colleagues, ben sass, called it very troubling, the call, to help dig up dirt on joe biden. lamar alexander said it was totally inappropriate. >> any other president would have said, i'll have the attorney general call you about some things we're looking into. this one didn't. >> did he make a mistake?
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>> the presidents make mistakes. was this call a mistake? i think there were plenty of mistakes made by both president obama and trump regarding ukraine and how to deal with the russian aggression in ukraine just like how to deal with the russian aggression in our elections. >> so let's talk about potential witnesses in the senate trial. some key figures like former national security advisor john bolton haven't testified. bolton's lawyer said that bolton was involved in, quote, many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in the testimonies thus far. as a juror, don't you want to hear from him. >> you know, as a senator and as a person who believes the constitution is there for a purpose, i think it's the job of the house to make the case. only a majority of the house can send a case over to the senate. for 180 years we only dealt -- we only one time touched the idea of presidential
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impeachment. here now three times in 46 years the congress has moved through the process of impeaching a president. i don't think you want to make that so easy that the house that's of a different party can send over the vaguest set of charges and expect the senate then to do the house's job. i think they should have gone to court just like the house did with clinton. just like the house did with nixon. it would have taken some time, but that's the -- they had plenty of time. they've been wanting to impeach the president. >> it's the house's job. you will not vote to hear from any witnesses? >> let's let them present their case and then see if we need to hear from witnesses. that's the way it was done in 1999. i think that's the way we should do it this time. senator, i want to ask you about an article from "christianity today." he called for the president's
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removal from office. none of the president's positives can balance the moral and political dangers we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character. going on to say that he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the creator of the ten commandments. so he's saying that he can't reconcile his christian faith and values, kindness, generosity, integrity with the president's, quote, immoral actions in business, relationships, with women and habitual strain of lies, slanders. i know your christian faith is important to you and i'm wondering, especially since like i think it's almost six in ten of your constituents are like christians, is this something that's familiar? do you wrestwell this? >> i think that person looking at the president versus what the president's done as president has got to be an outlier in everything i hear from the christian community. the faith-based community
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generally is very supportive of this president because he's been very supportive of them. what the president has done to allow faith-based institutions to get back as one of the potential adoptions, something i care about, something the president has done to assert religious freedom over the world. >> what about roy blunt, do you struggle personally with the kind of things he describes. >> if roy blunt looks at the president's actions, no president in my lifetime has been as aggressive in trying to achieve the goals that faith-based voters have set out than this one has. >> thank you so much. i really appreciate you coming in. >> glad to be with you. >> thanks. thank you. and the latest on democrats' impeachment strategy. the number two senate democrat dick durbin joins me next. ♪
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welcome back to "state of the union." the stalemate over impeachment raises a key question for democrats. with republicans in control of the senate, can democrats accomplish anything by holding onto the articles of impeachment in the house and potentially delay a senate trial? joining me now is the number two senate democrat, dick durbin. he was there for the impeachment trial of president clinton. several of your fellow democrats, elizabeth warren, kamala harris, bernie sanders have said based on the evidence that they have seen they would vote to convict president trump. will you? >> well, i'm going to take an oath of office when it comes to this impeachment on the floor of the senate as i did 20, 21 years ago with president clinton's impeachme impeachment, and in that i promise impartial justice so help me god. and i want to stick by that. i basically want to hear the evidence, read the documents,
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make a decision that's right for america. >> so is it a mistake for your fellow sen stores on both sides of the aisle to say how they're going to vote before the trial starts? >> i really think it is. they've gone too far. they shouldn't have done that. >> democrats have done it too. >> well, they shouldn't. as far as i'm concerned, they can tell which way they're leaning, how they feel in terms of the probability, but when it comes to saying i've made up my mind, it's all over, for goodness sakes, that is not what the constitution envisioned. alexander hamilton said we give this job to the senate because they are, quote, independent and dignified. for goodness sake, let's do our best to meet those standards. >> senator, speaker pelosi says she's waiting to send the articles of impeachment from the house to the senate until she's confident that there's going to be a fair trial. you heard senate jort leader mitch mcconnell say it doesn't matter, he doesn't need to have
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a trial anyway. what leverage do you and your fellow democrats think you have here by holding the articles in the house? >> well, i can tell you, dana, i went to the floor of the senate. i was the only member of the senate sitting on the floor and listened carefully to what senator mcconnell said the other day and it was very clear to me. he's made up his mind. he's not interested in evidence. he's not interested in the facts. he wants to get this over with and move onto the appointment of more federal judges. that's a serious problem. i think the american people expect us to carefully consider the evidence, not conceal the evidence. they're looking for a fair trial, not a fake trial and a real trial involves documents and witnesses. >> but do you think that by keeping the articles of impeachment in the house, that's going to really help their case? >> i think it's a fair question from speaker pelosi as to whether or not there will be any evidence offered and that's what she's asked for. i noted senator schumer sat down with senator mcconnell on
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thursday. the first time they sat down with one another to discuss this matter. it didn't go very far. senator schumer said to senator mccconnell, i'll let you think this over. i can understand speaker pelosi would like to have some idea of how this case is going to be presented. it's not unreasonable. >> it's not unreasonable but do you think she and you and democrats have leverage here. all right. you don't send them to me, all right, i'll move on and do more judges. >> dana, our leverage is four republican senators will stand up as 20 years ago we saw in the impeachment of bill clinton and say, this is much bigger than our current political squabbles. this is the third time in history a president's been impeached. the constitution is very clear that we have an awesome responsibility and let's live up to it on a bipartisan basis befo. if four republican senators step up, it can make a big
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difference. >> have you identified four who will do that? >> no, i've not whipped them or twisted their arms or asked hard questions. i've spoken to a few of them. they tell me the political circumstances now in the republican caucus are really very extreme in terms of this loyalty to the president no matter what. >> so, senator, during president clinton's impeachment trial you remember all 100 senators, including yourself, agreed to delay a -- questions about witnesses until after both sides made their case. that's exactly what mitch mcconnell says he wants to do again, take the template from 21 years ago, use it now. what's wrong with that? >> well, the difference is at that point we had had an extensive investigation by kenneth starr with sworn testimony and grand jury testimony. there was a big record for us to deal with in terms of the trial of bill clinton. we don't have that in this situation. we have the actions of some 14 different witnesses who appeared
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before the house of representatives and of course other evidence has been brought together. what we're looking for is a signal from mitch mcconnell that he hasn't ruled out the documents and witnesses. we've asked for obvious witnesses. mick mulvaney we believe was not only party to the conversation that's at hand here but is acting head of the omb he had something to do with the decision to withhold military aid to the ukraine. >> should house democrats have waited and gone to the courts to try to compel the testimony from people like mick mulvaney? >> the president's defense team knew that was a strategy if that was the defense they followed we would never finish that as it wound its way through court. they went forward with what i thought were compelling testimonies from these witnesses. we saw them all. in fact, at one point, and i want to make this points, dana, they invited -- the house
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judiciary committee asked the president and his defense team to come sit at the deus and ask questions. they turned them down. >> you were talking about republicans who may join you in some of these votes. you're the whip. let me ask you about some democrats. there are a number of moderate democrats. would they potentially vote against either article of impeachment. >> dana, i've been a whip for a while. when it comes to whipping on votes, there are some we don't touch. this is a question of conscious. even in our own caucus and i hope in the republican caucus. it goes far beyond any party line poe sigs. chuck schumer has maids it clear and i back him up, each member will make a vote based on the facts and their conscious. >> have a happy holiday. >> thanks, dana. six weeks until iowa when
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voters finally weigh in and the democrats are throwing around their elbows, so if you're down in your wine cave, you may want to come out and hear the latest. stay tuned.
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3 million light years in the making. woohoo! -yeah! billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the united states. >> mr. mayor, your response?
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>> you know, according to "forbes" magazine, i am literally the only person on this stage who's not a millionaire or billionaire so if -- this is important. this is the problem with issuing purity tests you cannot yourself pass. >> simmering feud between senator elizabeth warren and mayor pete buttigieg spills over onto the debate stage. let's discuss. i'll start with the democrats here. what was your sense ever how effective all of that sort of, you know, fighting and elbowing was? >> i mean, look, the important point here is to say we've got to change the way money impacts politics. i think that was the broad theme of it all. the problem is that senator warren has also raised money in a very similar fashion. maybe not in a wine cave but certainly with wealthy donors. she has piloted in this race for president the idea that small money put together can actually
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power forward a campaign, and that's a good thing, but i wouldn't draw the conclusion that wealthy people who give contributions to cap dates are bad or sinister or are corrupt and the people who receive them, i wouldn't draw that conclusion either. this will have resonance only because most of us have not been in a wine cave so there's something sort of elusive about that. i think it will probably continue to be a tag. >> i agree with andrew. the bigger thing here is this is a disaster for both of them. >> why? >> having come through the dean/gephardt suicide pact where the two front-runners got into this kind of battle, it never works in a multi-candidate field. they're hurting each other and right now i think the rest of the field is going to benefit from that, particularly amy klobuchar and maybe joe biden. >> yeah, look -- >> you're the only one at this table to win an iowa caucus. maybe not -- >> just give you my sense of what's happening there. i agree with joe. i think fighting about an issue
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that most people don't care about and being nasty about doesn't help either one of these people. i think pete has seen his day. i've seen this in so many races where you peak a little too early. not saying he's a bad candidate, but the flaws of his candidacy are being shown. i think the person who did well in that debate, you heard it in your -- afterwards in your focus groups and someone who i think is poised because everybody likes her, and i was there in iowa. i was low in the polls. everybody liked me but no one would vote for me. why? because i couldn't win because my poll numbers are low. her poll numbers are low. everybody likes amy but her poll numbers are low. but they're not as low as they used to be. as buttigieg goes down, amy will go up. some will go to joe biden. all of a sudden we're going to say, hey, you know what, i like her, and she can win. that's what you have to look for. >> you know what was fascinating about that debate is, you know,
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just a couple of months ago we were talking about how left wing the democratic party had been. they're all packing to the center, including elizabeth warren. i agree with rick on this. i think amy klobuchar did well, but clearly joe biden benefits as well. >> i'm glad you brought that up because let's listen to part of the debate that made people say exactly what you both are saying. >> as you've noticed, the first number of debates i'm the guy had a had the target on my back from every single person on the stage and i was able to be able to state my position clearly and move on. my whole purpose from the beginning is to make the case not why other people aren't qualified but why i'm the most qualified people to defeat donald trump. >> that was obviously not joe biden at the debate but assessing his own performance. >> he did very well in the debate. probably the best debate he's
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had throughout, so when you look at what the dynamics of this race are right now, he's been resilient. i thought he had been much stronger than what a lot of people are giving him credit for from the very beginning and now as people in iowa focus on the field, what happens is the doubts they have about the people they're with. so they have doubts about mayor pete, they have doubts about warren and doubts about biden, it's the person who actually is moving at the time, has had a really good debate performance or has stayed out of that fray as amy klobuchar has that benefits. that's why i think getting into this fight with mayor pete and going after each other -- >> she got into a fight with the mayor also. >> she did, too. she's below -- as rick says, she's sort of not in the front-runner top tier right now. >> right.
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>> she can move. she can benefit. i think joe biden will benefit as well. >> her engaging was important for her to set herself apart. she knows part of why she's not doing as well is because pete has taken away a lot of that moderate support. these are all big adults. they've been in politics. debates are about drawing differences and contrasts. i don't have a problem with that so long as they stay out of, you know, sort of the poernlersonal attack range. i thought a lot of this did that. >> what about biden? >> i thought biden did a solid job. the truth is he actually didn't have to do a good deal to walk away from that debate having the glowing reviews that he has. why? because he is the front-runner without a doubt. there is a little bit of expectations thing. for me, what a lot of folks on the democrat if i can siic sidey want a winner. some of what has created the ability for rise for some of
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these other candidates has been whether or not joe can be consistently steady. he showed steadiness. he was direct. he was 140r9. he made his point. he had the fifth lowest or highest talking time. he benefitted from that. i think that was a good thing. >> joe's ben fitted from the fact that his prior performances were not very good at all. this by comparison looks good. that's perception. perception is, wow, he was so much crisper. >> perception is everything. >> perception is everything. he did a good job. if people want to take a step back and look at whether this is the kind of guy that can take on donald trump, i think they're over estimating that. >> i want to ask you all about this article that came out in evangelical magazine where the editor called for the president's removal from office and it said in part, trump tweeted back to it and he said, i guess the magazine "christianity today" is looking for elizabeth warren, bernie sanders or how about sleepy joe?
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the fact is no president has ever done what i have for evangelicals or religion itself. you heard senator roy blunt say exactly that here and not talk about what the editor said was that the president fends his christian sensibility. >> i agree a lot with what president trump has done. i'm a conster vative. i'm still a republican, but he is an immoral man and the fact that you will not ever hear republicans -- i mean, during this whole house impeachment debate, when littwill herd came the floor and gave his speech, the worst he could say is what the president did was wrong. the fact that no republican seems to be able to get out there and make that distinction. >> first off, a lot of republicans have. you quoted three or four of them
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earlier. marco rubio. there are several who said what he did was wrong, what he's done is unwise. i've said it. a lot of republicans have said it. a lot of republicans have sads publicly and privately they don't like a lot of the things that this president has said and that they are very problematic. the bottom line though is what is he doing? what's he doing for the evangelical world, he's protecting the -- >> it's not difficult -- we have to go. that's not a difficult choice in your heart? >> there's no perfect candidate out there. there's no perfect politician and you have to take the bad with the good. >> this has been clearly a marriage of convenience however. this has been about the courts. this op ed is coming. we had the video from acce"acc hollywoo hollywood". >> it's what he does that matters. >> thank you all for this interesting discussion. happy holidays. >> happy holidays. up next, voters do it for
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