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>> and threatens others that criticize him. intel leaders aren't backing down. we are joined by three former top national security officials next. and leaning left? polls show democrats are trying for a huge win. is the party moving the wrong direction. we talk to a red state democrat and possible contender governor steve bullock of montana. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is under pressure. president trump feeling the heat of a russia investigation that will not just go away. railing on twitter that the special counsel is worse than the infamous joe mccarthy, trump claiming he has nothing to hide, this in response to a stunning "the new
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york times" report that white house counsel don mcgahn has spent 30 hours over nine months talking to robert mueller, the special counsel. the white house lawyer effectively a cooperating witness in the investigation of president trump. this as the president continues to his attack on former cia director john brennan after the president's disdain for the russia investigation drove him to take away brennan's security clearance. tweeting saturday, quote, brennan has become nothing less than a loudmouthed partisan political hack who cannot be trusted with the secrets of our country. putting more on notice they might be next. unprecedented moves that drew a stern rebuke from dozens of intelligence officials who have served both democratic and republican presidents. here with me to talk about this all former department of homeland security and counselor terrorism advisor to president obama, lisa monaco, former director of national intelligence james clapper and general michael hayden, former cia director. more than a century of combined intelligence experience sitting at this table right now. i hope you're not offended by that, more than a century.
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but lisa, i want to start with you. i do want to ask as someone who worked at the justice department under bob mueller at the white house, what do you make of mcgahn talking to the president, talking to special counsel, according to "the new york times" one of the concerns is president trump was setting him up to be a john dean like patsy. what do you make of it? >> look, that really was a remarkable report we saw in "the times" this morning. i was surprised people would be surprised done mcgahn would be -- don mcgahn would be a witness and talk to bob mueller. as a former government employee he doesn't have a whole lot of choice of sitting and talking to bob mueller and his team. what was remarkable about that report is just how extensive the
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discussions seemed to be and how little limits were placed on the questions he asked and answered. and the other thing i think was very remarkable was how little the president seems to understand that the white house counsel is the lawyer for the office of the presidency, the institution of the presidency not his personal lawyer. and then finally as a former prosecutor i think he's going to be a very, very valuable witness. if you're an investigator, you're a prosecutor, you want somebody who's been in the room when the key discussions happened and that's don mcgahn. >> it's very interesting. general hayden, i want to ask you about a new attack from the president this morning on bob mueller. quote, we're now in a period that makes joseph mccarthy look like a baby, rigged witch hunt. to compare bob mueller to joseph mccarthy. >> joe mccarthy was a demagogue, and we haven't heard a public sill bell from bob mueller in more than a year. and i've got to add that mccarthy's lawyer, larry cohn, became donald trump's personal
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lawyer and mentor for decades. i mean the irony here, just amazing. >> all of what you said is factually accurate. director clapper, i want to talk about the focus on john brennan. after president trump's press conference with vladimir putin in helsinki brennan unleashed some pretty remarkable criticisms against the president saying it was quote, nothing short of treasonous. take a listen how brennan explained that comment just a couple days ago. >> and i did say it rises to and exceeds the level of high crimes and misdemeanors and there's nothing short of treasonous. i didn't mean he committed treason, but it was a term i used nothing short of treasonous. >> but you didn't mean he committed treason, though? >> i said it was nothing short of treasonous, yeah. >> we'll get into the president's behavior in a
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second. but do you think john brennan's hyperbole is an issue here, the reason why we're having this crisis? >> i think it is. i think john is sort of like a freight train and he's going to say what's on his mind. i think, though, that the common denominator among all of us that have been speaking up, though, is genuine concern about the jeopardy and threats to our institutions and values and we all express that in different ways. and i think that's what this is really about. but i think john and his rhetoric have become an issue in and of itself. >> what do you think? >> look, i think john has said he sometimes gets -- but i think -- gets his irish up. but i think what he talked about is he was really commenting on how stunning it was to him as a decades long national security veteran and intelligence official to see the president stand up in helsinki next to our main adversary, president putin, and not challenge him, not call
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him out, and the intelligence community under the obama administration and trump administration has said has happened and is in fact ongoing. so i think that was what john was responding to, yes, in very, very pointed fashion. >> retired admiral william mcraven who oversaw the raid that bin laden was killed wrote "the washington post" this morning, i would consider it an honor if you would revoke my security clearance as well so i could add to the list of men and women who have spoken up against your presidency. through your actions you embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage, and worst of all divided us as a nation. would you be similarly honored to have president trump revoke your security clearance? >> to be included in that group, sure. and frankly if his not revoking my clearance gave the impression that i somehow moved my commentary on a direction more acceptable to the white house, i would find that very disappointing and frankly
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unacceptable. it's really telling because there's two parts. he said take my clearance away so that's the local issue of brennan and his clearance, but the admiral went beyond that and made it a larger broader comment on why he's upset with the administration. and frankly, although john's situation is a proximate cause for all of us signing letters and protesting, i think it's kind of one additional straw that's breaking the camel's back. our complaint is not just about this. it's about the whole tone, tenor and behavior of the administration. >> have you heard -- any of you -- from current national security or intelligence officials, ones in the trump administration whether political or nonpolitical appointees, expressing solidarity with what you're saying? you don't have to give their names obviously, but have you been given any attaboys or attagirls?
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you have laer coming -- a letter coming out in the next day or two. have you heard from anyone? >> i've not heard personally from anyone currently in the administration. >> have any of you? >> i have. i know there's a lot of angst at the working levels. in the ic work force. >> we've got to be careful. we can't go back to press the test because these people are still in government and don't want to make them vulnerable. i wrote a book a couple of months ago broadly addressing this topic and informally from those in government i've gotten the thumbs' up there. >> in part he wrote, quote, mr. trump's claims of no collusion with russia are in a word hogwash. the only question that remains is whether the collusion that took place constitutes criminal liable conspiracy. he's talking there about press
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reports, about meetings donald trump, jr. at trump tower, george papadopoulos and others, but do you agree a collusion has been proven and it's just a question of whether or not it rises to conspiracy? >> i think we've all spoken to this and you alluded to the trump tower meeting in june of 2016. i think frankly -- exhorting those russians to go out and find those 30,000 e-mails, as revealed in the stunning indictment that came out last month from bob mueller of 12 gru officers in which appears they complied with his request that day after 24 hours.
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and in my book -- we've all written books, i recount the striking comparisons in things trump was doing and saying and things rugs were saying particularly in respect to hillary clinton. don't say collusion. but that's why i think the completion of the mueller investigation is so critical have over the presidency and for his chosen cia director, et cetera, is that permanently broken do you think? >> he is laying ut -- out points in the public, he was saying how important it is that mueller's investigation be allowed to continue unimpeded. jim clapper points to the indictment of last month of the 12 gru. i go back further to the february indictment, february of this year, laying out the conspiracy and that's what the overarching concept that mueller's indictment does in
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2018. the conspiracy by the internet research agency and 13 other russian individuals and entities to interfere in our election, and the question we need to have answered from bob mueller and his team is are there any americans who participated. >> and quickly, if you would, general, is the relationship between president trump and the national security community at large with exceptions obviously for his chosen cia director, et cetera, is that permanently broken do you think? >> it is dangerously close to being broken, badly injured. if we're back at our old agencies we're trying to say to our work force we have nothing to do with what john brennan is says on tv and what the president does in response. that has to be harder and harder each day as the administration takes these kinds of actions. >> thanks one and all for being here. i appreciate it. the white house counsel takes 30 hours to talking to mueller and his team.
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plus, he is traveling to iowa and new hampshire. governor steve bullock from montana joins me next.
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republican fears of so-called democratic blue wave of growing. according to fresh polling, democrats show a double digit lead when voters are asked which party they want to control congress. one potential democratic presidential contender traveling to 2020 primary states says his party has a lot of work to do. >> if we can't speak the language of iowa, michigan, or wisconsin and others, even if you can get electoral majority, you're never going to have a governing majority. >> smack dab between trips from iowa to new hampshire, joined by the democratic governor steve bullock. thanks for joining us, governor. >> great to be with you, jake, for sure. >> that's a pretty strong statement on the democratic party. tell me what do you think the national democratic party is getting wrong right now? >> the way i won montana, legislature almost two-thirds republican, so the way i governed and run is by showing
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up, by listening, not just going to places where democrats are but going all across the state, giving them a reason to vote for me as well. i have been traveling some around the country. even for iowa, places like michigan, wisconsin, and arkansas. >> what is the party getting wrong? obviously you're going to places that for instance hillary clinton didn't go, like michigan and wisconsin as much as she should have perhaps, but what is the message coming from the national democratic party in washington that's different from what you're saying? >> well, first of all i think when you talk about the overall message of the democratic party from washington or other places, really what's happening is the folks out there across the country, we have 81 days until midterm elections, incredible candidates talking about things that matter in their district. making sure people have health care, making sure that everybody
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has that opportunity to climb the economic ladder and fair shot as doing better than their parents did. i think if we actually are out there, focusing not just on one part of the country, but if we believe we share the values of most americans and fight for those values, democrats can compete anywhere in this country. >> you're touting strong economic numbers out of montana, unemployment in montana down to 3.7%, lower than the national average. looking ahead to midterms, the vast majority of voters in our poll say the economy would be very or extremely important to their vote. is it fair to say the trump economy is working for the voters of montana? >> well, i think in montana we've led the country in middle class income growth in the last five years. what you see overall is that in many ways our economy is broken. only half the 30-year-olds are doing better than their parents
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were at age 30. 50 years ago, it was 90% of folks. while the economy is booming and it sort of continued after president obama, there's a lot more to that because a lot of folks aren't getting ahead in this economy, and they look at what's coming out of washington, d.c. and it is not helping them. >> one issue on which you seem to differ from many in your party is the issue of guns, second amendment, gun control. oil only recently came out in support of background checks. support of background checks, and many democrats think that doesn't go far enough. they pushed on what they call an assault weapons ban. would you support a ban like that? >> you know, i would, jake. if we were to really step back for a minute i think most folks that be it in montana or elsewhere that are firearm owners want to keep themselves, their families safe, it's not unlike those folks who say all those that have been
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happening, what do they really want? those same values. there are things we could do immediately anything from red flag laws to closing, to having the sort of universal background check to making sure we're doing everything we can, some age restrictions or magazine restrictions but let's begin with everybody wants to keep themselves and their families safe and let's begin with those where we can move things forward. >> these aren't the issues where your party is more liberal. some are calling to apolish i.c.e. more support medicare for all. new survey shows more democrats have a positive view of socialism than capitalism. do you have concerns your party is moving too far to the left? >> you know, and jake, i certainly don't want to diminish the question because i know you and others in the
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media are trying to figure out what's going on out there. but this us versus them mentality, when i'm traveling around the country i really don't see it. i see unification after primaries. i see all democrats turn around and saying they need to make sure we need to have affordable health care, at the same time republicans are trying to strip away medicaid and if anybody steps out of line from the perspective like senator mccain did and gets repeatedly taunted, the democratic party isn't saying we have to walk lock step in the ways that won't improve the lines of americans and there's often good competition of ideas but that really stands in contrast to anybody who steps out of lean-to this current president on the republican side is worried not only for the re-election but, you know, continued taunts and tweets. >> you were in iowa thursday. you're going to be in new hampshire next week. you're a two-term governor of a state trump won by 20 points.
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many democrats think this means you could compete in a red state as a presidential candidate. do you think, i understand you haven't announced you're running for anything, but do you think if you did run you could beat president trump? >> what i look at -- and those hypotheticals are a bit challenging, certainly. i was the only democrat i think in the country to get re-elected statewide in a state where president trump won. more than that i've actually been able to bring folks together from expanding medicaid to an earned income tax credit, record investments in education, trying to get dark money out at elections, which is something i was talking about in iowa. i think if anybody actually assumes we share the values of folks across this country, fights for those values and tries to bridge some of the divides, divides both in our country or political system that
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could be president trump 2020. >> that would theoretically include you, i suppose? >> it would include all kinds of folks. right now really what i've been doing is i have been listening, traveling the country quite a bit, listening probably more than i've been talking. for now that's as far as it goes. >> thanks for joining us today. we appreciate it. >> great talking this morning, jake. a stunner in the russia investigation. a white house lawyer involved in some of the most intimate discussions with the president is reportedly talking a lot to bob mueller. stay with us. for them. for all. get unlimited for as low at 30 bucks per line for four lines at t-mobile. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. that's it? everybody two seconds!
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comcast, building america's largest gig-speed network. the mueller team is panicking. they know they don't have a case. the president wants to testify. the president wants to be open and transparent. otherwise he wouldn't have encouraged 30 witnesses including mcgahn to testify. >> that was one of the president's attorneys, rudy giuliani, reacting to the "the new york times" bombshell report detailing how white house counsel don mcgahn has cooperated with robert mueller's justice probe into potential obstruction of justice. let's discuss. senator santorum, let me start with you. what do you make of giuliani's comments? can you look at this report "the new york times" and say it looks like they're giving them full transparency and time to wrap it up? >> to allow your general counsel
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to have -- the special counsel to have unfettered access to your general counsel but the reality is they've provided record numbers of documents, they've let the general counsel for 30 hours be in front of the special counsel. to me this is good news story for the president. >> what do you make of it because also it said mcgahn and his attorneys were concerned president trump might be laying the ground work to set him up as a patsy for obstruction of justice charges if there might be any. >> absolutely. he didn't want to be thrown under the bus and he knows with trump's track regard he's willing to throw anyone under the bus. it is hard to argue they have been transparent when he spends every moment either tweeting, attacking the investigation and then sending giuliani out to do it on the air. so i think it's hard to see that as transparent. >> giuliani says mueller is in a panic mode but look at the
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president's tweet stream. this morning he calls john dean a rat, tells you he is totally worried mcgahn is going to flip on him. and john dean, by the way, was the hero of the nixon -- at least the ability to out the watergate problem. >> just a bizarre contradiction. on the one hand he's defending, the president doesn't like to looking like he was caught out of control of his white house. on the one hand he's saying no, no, no he is loyal and acting on my orders but at the same time john dean was a rat. just reminding people in case your head was going there. >> of course he knew he was talking -- all this time he knew he was talking. >> did he really have a choice? >> of course he could have stopped it. >> he could have fired him, but don mcgahn's client is the
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office of the presidency. >> he's saying this is on my orders and according to the reporting don mcgahn is saying yes, the president had full knowledge of this. the news is the story has apparently shifted halfway through, so the idea of allowing unfettered access to general counsel at the beginning probably isn't looking so great now. >> that's a legitimate concern of a lawyer saying, you know, there may be areas of privilege, other areas we should have been concerned about, and in trump's fashion saying let it all out because i have nothing to be worried about, just shows i think his confidence there's nothing to worry about. >> he panics every few minutes. >> just because he tweets, that isn't panic. >> governor, the president has been tweeting quite a bit, this morning, as he noted. he sent out a series of tweets including writing, quote, study the late joseph mccarthy because
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we're now in a period with mueller and his gang that make joseph mccarthy look like a baby. rigged witch hunt. what do you make of that? comparing mueller to joe mccarthy. >> seriously as was said earlier mueller hadn't said word one since this began. comparing him to joseph mccarthy when mueller is the total hero. but it is ironic that mccarthy's lawyer was roy cohn and every few days trump is asking where's my roy cohn, who's going to defend me? one wonders who's a mccarthy. >> also a few days after he puts out his hit list -- he had a whole list of people he was going to take the security clearances from. >> it's also worse than ironic. mccarthyism was bad because it was an undemocratic project trying to boot out differences in ideology.
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there's nothing undemocratic about trying to get to the bottom of whether russia hacked our elections and had help of people inside the white house. >> he would be investigating what's going on within doj and fbi with respect to hillary clinton and all these other things. it's his job to do a thorough investigation. >> who says he isn't? >> and he's ignoring a huge -- >> how do you know? >> well, there's certainly no evidence he is looking into this. >> because it's been looked at and passed over. how long does the special investigation into benghazi have to go? really, you're going to bring that up again? >> being a feed to the fbi of information from the steele dossier is not something that should be looked into? >> they are looking into it. >> well, we don't have any evidence that the mueller investigation is looking into it. >> it's looking into the steele dossier and the crimes listed in that. what's wrong with that? that's exactly what the department should be doing. >> i agree that the department should be doing that but mueller
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doesn't seem to be doing that. if you want to have bipartisan support go after things that aren't just trump. >> i have one more thing about this hit list -- okay, i saw you picking up a paper. the thing i am concerned about is a list of revocations, of security clearance revocations. what if he ends up revoking the security clearances of the mueller team? will that be his way of trying to shut them up? and there is going to be a bill in congress that would prevent that happening. the question would be, will republicans step up to stop it from happening. >> we have to pay more bills.
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this election is going to come as a referendum on him. he permeates the entire political culture and i think those around him are telling him, hey, it's okay to lose the house, you can work with the democrats and you can run against a democratic house in 2020 is bad advice. >> that's steve bannon, the president's former chief strategist saying the midterm elections are a referendum on trump. but what would a less than stellar performance mean for the democrats? let's discuss, se cupp unfiltered starting saturday, august 25th. >> i didn't know you were doing
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that. >> i thought that was the only reason you were here. anyway, thank you for that plug, and i want to ask you steve bannon obviously he might be trying to get back in president trump's good graces. but it seems to me this might not be a bad strategy, convincing republican voters, hey, the democrats it's all about impeachment and trump. obviously democrats want it to be about trump, too, but although not necessarily about impeachment. >> it is a good strategy and one the president should pick up on. steve bannon understands it's turn out, and when mcdaniel romney of rnc gets up and says this loss wasn't that big a deal, the blue wave isn't coming, that's the opposite of the strategy that republicans should be taking. steve bannon is right to install fear in the hearts and minds of
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republicans who would believe that democrats are out to get president trump. >> congresswoman, if the democrats take the house -- >> yes. >> -- will democrats begin impeachment proceedings? >> i don't think so. but let me just tell you i think there are a lot of things on our agenda. the number one is health care. after that it's wages and unemployment is low. and better wages that absolutely needs to happen because we know republicans have blocked every investigation. to think impeachment would be number one on our agenda i don't think that's the case. we have to deal with health care. >> is bannon's strategy the right one? >> it's absolutely the right one. the president should adopt it and create a sense of urgency. this is a turnout election. and what you've seen in every election where republicans have
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either lost republican turnout was energized and democrat wasn't. we're talking about investigations 24 hours a day here and republicans are actually -- >> we are not having the type of hearings we should have -- >> no shortage of investigations in washington. >> what do you think about the strategy? >> first of all, trump will not adopt that strategy because he's worried the house will be lost and that will then look like he's responsible for it. he doesn't want to do it up front, number one. number two, cnn did a poll this week about the top nine issues that americans care about. number one was health care. 81% of people said that health care was their top issue. under the trump administration 4 million people have lost their health care. democrats want a run on that.
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democrats want to run on immigration because 76% of americans hate what the president is doing to separate families. the number two issue was the economy. yet wages have been flat or lost ground in the first two quarters of this -- >> before i think you flipped immigration and health care. i think it has been lost on democrats and republicans. you know it's a news cycle that's been open. and what have republicans had to deal with? omarosa. what have democrats had to deal with alexandria ocasio-cortez. these are the issues that have taken option. >> democrats have been in districts, democrats have been out talking to voters, democrats have been registering voters. >> the point is when people like
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omarosa oral ex-andrea ocasio-cortez have dominated. >> and one of the things has to do with whether nancy pelosi should continue to be a democratic speaker or not. take a listen to just a few of the 60 house democrats who said they would not support pelosi. >> i won't vote for pelosi because we need new leadership in washington. >> that's why i won't vote for nancy pelosi as leader. >> will you vote for nancy pelosi? >> probably not. >> will you vote nancy pelosi? >> i will vote nancy pelosi. with all the races going on leader pelosi is the first one to say the most important thing you need to do is win. people are working their districts. when we take over and i'm certainly optimistic that will
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happen and i'm hoping it'll be a very large number. she has postponed the elections until december, the leadership elections. but to have the massive change, people are going to be trying to figure out how they go about becoming a new congress person, all of that. there have been lots of discussions about, you know, whether or not there's going to be leadership change. i'm in my eighth year and i will tell you those discussions are happened every single time we're in this cycle. >> here's the interesting thing, look at conor lamb. he ran and won saying he wasn't going to vote for nancy pelosi. now he says i'll vote for whoever the democrats nominate. they come to washington, the whip gets cracked, people get in line. >> i am a nancy pelosi fan. i feel she's a strong woman, she's the best speaker since i've been president.
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i'm standing here at st. matthew's cathedral because before donald wuerl, powerful cardinal of the washington diocese, he was bishop in pittsburgh for many years. he was named in the report as one of the bishops who helped cover up the crime. our invitation to the cardinal was declined, but he issued a statement that says, the report confirms that i acted with diligence, with concern for the victims and to prevent future acts of abuse, unquote. acts. pennsylvania district attorney disagrees, saying that cardinal wuerl is not telling the truth. many of the statements in response to the grand jury report are directly contradicted by the church's own documents and records from secret archives. among the claims that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. >> i think i did everything i possibly could. >> everything? two fathers of the pittsburgh diocese were two from a group of priests who the grand jury
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found, quote, manufactured child pornography and, quote, used whips, violence, saidism. he was charged with 130 counts. a spokesman says he was removed before wuerl came to pittsburgh in 1988. and that's true. but in 1989, cardinal wuerl authorized a confidential settlement between them and the victims, including a hush agreement, and hired a doctor to lessen the sentence with a statement that the grand jury found blamed the child victim rather than the adult criminal, and the diocese under wuerl epidemic to secure zula's release >> did you ever remove priests? >> that wasn't our process. >> it was the process with father george zurwiss. the diocese was, quote, aware of complaints against zurwiss since
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1987. additional complaints were received up to 1995, including when he was in charge. he was reassigned to several parishes. despite all this evidence, a spokesman for wuerl maintains he acted promptly until the case and removed zurwiss. >> if there were allegations, we dealt with them immediately. >> immediately? really? the predatory behavior of one priest dated back to the 1960s. he was shuffled from parish to parish all over the country. in 1991, wuerl approved moving him to las vegas even though they knew of his past. in 1996, wuerl refrained from sharing everything the church knew with the diocese of san
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diego. as bishop in pittsburgh, he disciplined some priests and fought the vatican order to reinstate some priests. he wrote to the vatican that parishioners had a right to know if their priests were pedophiles. the grand jury wrote, though, in spite of wuerl's statements to the vatican, the clear and present threat posed to children was hidden and kept secret from parishioners in three states. wuerl's statements had been meaningless without any action, unquote. those are three stories from a report in which cardinal wuerl's name appears 170 times. the cardinal claims to answer to a higher authority. when will he answer on this earth for allegedly covering up crimes against children? i'm jake tapper in washington. "fareed zakaria gps" is next. f .
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