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♪ hello. i'm kate bolduan. john berman is off today. thank you for joining me. the music world is mourning the death of pop icon george michael. today, michael's manager announced the singer died in his london home on christmas day. ♪ ♪ because there ain't no joy
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for an uptown boy who just isn't willing to try ♪ >> george michael's career began as a member of the british duo wham!. wham! was the first western pop group to ever perform in china. you remember their songs so well. i implore you to try to not dance when you hear their music. when they broke up in 1986, george michael began his solo career and a huge career it was. winning two grammys and selling millions upon millions of albums along the way. cnn correspondent ian lee is outside george michael's home right now. early this morning, it was just you and some tributes we saw outside his door. i see behind you now a lot more people are gathering there. what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's right. i will give you a look at the people behind me. we have seen this steady stream of people throughout the day coming in.
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they are leaving flowers, candles, also personal notes. a lot of people are in shock about george michael's death. he was 53 years old. we are hearing from his manager that he died of heart failure. the police are saying it was unexpected but not suspicious. for people here, george michael was the sound track to their lives growing up in the 1980s. he was truly someone who could transcend the time, having a career over a few decades, also crossing genres. we are hearing also from celebrities as well. ellen degeneres saying i just heard about my friend's death. he was such a brilliant talent. i'm so sad. then george takei of "star trek" fame also social media said rest with the glittering stars, george michael. you found your freedom, your faith. it was your last christmas and we shall miss you. that last christmas was one of
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his famous songs. in talking to people here today, everyone was saying we were listening to the song yesterday and we are hearing about his death. but he was someone who is more than his music as well. he was a strong advocate for the lgbt community as well as aids awareness so this is someone who really left his mark on society. >> you are outside his home. what are you hearing from the community? the world knows him as a pop superstar and as you said, he provided the sound track to so many lives. what was he known as kind of there near and dear in his neighborhood? >> reporter: that is the one thing that really struck me here, because when you hear about celebrities, people meeting their idols, their celebrity idols, they always are hesitant because they don't know who they truly are going to be in person. everyone here i talked to who knew him said he was a kind and generous man. he knew the people in the community and interacted with them. he was someone who was very warm and generous.
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>> one of sadly what has become a long list of musical icons the world has lost in 2016. ian lee, thank you so very much. on a very different headline but a very big headline this morning, in israel this hour, anger is still boiling over over last week's un security council vote against israel. prime minister benjamin netanyahu calling it a shameful ambush after the u.s. abstained and a resolution passed condemning israeli settlements in the west bank and east jerusalem. the resolution regarding those settlements, the resolution stated about those settlements this, calling it a flagrant violation of international law and a major obstacle to comprehensive peace with no legal validity. typically, the u.s. uses its veto power to stop any measure critical of israel. not this time. at a cabinet meeting yesterday, the prime minister lamented a new low in relations with the obama administration. >> as i told john kerry on
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thursday, friends don't take friends to the security council. i'm encouraged by the statements of our friends in the united states, republicans and democrats alike. they understand how reckless and destructive this resolution was. i look forward to working with those friends and with the new administration when it takes office next month. >> already looking ahead to the next administration. that message heard loud and clear. i'm joined by cnn correspondent oren lieberman in jerusalem and elise labott watching all this. what do these words from the prime minister really mean here? >> in effect, he said it when he read part of that resolution. under international law those settlements are deemed illegal and it's not just settlements in the west bank where there are disputed territory between the israelis and palestinians. this is in jerusalem which israel considers its capital, it
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means all settlements. obviously a very terrible resolution for israel and it means that in international criminal courts, other types of legal organizations, now the palestinians have this legal precedent to take israel to court. for them, it's very concerning to them for their sovereignty and those types of issues but for the relationship with the u.s., look, this is really soon as a parting shot by president obama on his way out the door against israeli prime minister netanyahu but also about this settlement policy that the administration has said is not conducive to peace, that kind of impinges on what could be a two-state solution. obviously as prime minister netanyahu said, he's hoping when president-elect trump comes into office, he could maybe help overturn this or move forward but right now, it is a new low between these two men that have had a rocky relationship. >> rocky relationship,
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absolutely. oren, reaction from the israelis has been fierce and it has been swift. what happens next? >> well, the reaction isn't slowing down yet. prime minister netanyahu just released another statement, this one not directed directly at president obama but he called netanyahu, that is, called his response up until now measured and vigorous and insists there won't be any diplomatic fallout from this point. but israel's not out of the woods from its perspective just yet. why is that? because there's concern about another security council resolution that would try to set parameters, that is conditions about negotiations between israelis and palestinians for a two-state solution. the main date which the israelis are looking at, the palestinians as well for when that might happen is january 15th when there is an international peace conference in paris. more than 70 nations will come together to try to make some sort of headway on a peace process. israel has said it will not attend. notably, that's five days before president obama leaves office,
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more than enough time for security council resolution on parameters. israel is working once again to try to avert that. >> elise, i spent a brief amount of time with you and oren in israel. you spent a lot of time there. you know a lot about this relationship. when you hear how oren is describing how the israelis are reacting and that it is not slowing down, their anger and frustration here, what do you believe is the view of how that relationship might change when a president trump takes office? >> well, clearly they are expecting a much more israel-friendly relationship. not only because of donald trump's statements that he would move the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, that he would -- there would be no daylight between israel and the united states, and he also appointed a very controversial ambassador who agrees with settlement expansion, who feels the west bank should be annexed, who wants to move the embassy to
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jerusalem. so i think there's a feeling that they will be able to work together. they have also said they hope donald trump might be able to actually be the one to negotiate mideast peace. i think they think it will be much better under donald trump just to the point of that resolution they are floating around. they have been talking about it for some time, this resolution about parameters. i think the administration was considering it but what they really wanted to do was make a statement on the settlements because they thought that was really not conducive to mideast peace. but i think with all the fallout of this, even from president obama's own party, i think the administration is going to be very careful about supporting that kind of resolution. >> amazing moment we are in in the waning days of the obama administration. it's great to see you both. thank you so much. with me to discuss further is josh rogen, columnist for "the washington post." errol louis is here as well. guys, great to see you.
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josh, i chased you around capitol hill for years as you were covering many of these issues with regard to foreign policy. i want to get your take on what we heard just this morning from the israeli ambassador to the united states. we heard oren lieberman say the reaction is not slowing up. this surely fits into that category of not slowing down. watch this. >> look, it's an old story that the united nations gangs up against israel. what is new is that the united states did not stand up and oppose that gang-up and what is outrageous is that the united states was actually behind that gang-up. i think it was a very sad day and really a shameful chapter. what this resolution just did is it gave the palestinians ammunition in their diplomatic and legal war against israel. the united states didn't stop it. they were behind it. >> the ambassador saying very clearly they believe the u.s. was behind this resolution. he did not -- no one has yet
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offered the evidence that leads them to believe the united states was behind this resolution, but what is your take? what is dermer trying to say? >> i think he's trying to say this resolution, while the administration says will encourage peace, will actually make peace harder to achieve. there's an argument for that if you think about it. because what's happened in the past few days, actually the sides retreated to their corners, it forced the israelis to make a precedent out of we are not going to be bullied around by this kind of thing, these kinds of things. as you pointed out, in congress there's bipartisan support for punishing the u.n., punishing the palestinians, taking away aid, starting a major fight over the u.s. role in dwruthe united nations. so the argument is what have you achieved? it's actually done more harm than good. >> but josh, on that point, where do you think this goes in terms of we have now heard very quickly from senator lindsey graham that he will lead the charge to essentially what he wants to do is take funding away
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from the united nations if they do not reverse course on this. is there traction for that, do you think? >> yeah. i spoke to senator graham this weekend. he claims that he has about half a dozen republican senators who are willing to support him on this. he's talked about prime minister netanyahu about it and also talked to the new appointed u.s. ambassador to israel, friedman, on this, and they all seem to be on board. so this is going to be a thing in the coming congress and there's also potential you could have high level democratic support from people like chuck schumer. we don't know how it will play out but this will get worse before it gets better. as -- from the administration's point of view, they sort of created this sort of situation and they are not going to be around as it plays out. that's going to be something that they are going to sort of leave as their legacy as sort of a new crisis in u.s., israel and u.n. relations. >> errol, as josh talks about republican lawmakers outraged, they are talking about this,
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even democratic lawmakers, high ranking democratic lawmakers critical of this, is the obama white house in the minority on this issue? are they out there by themselves? what does that mean for them? >> oh, no, not at all. in fact, to add a dose of reality to this, the policy of backing settlements at all costs no matter what is not even a tremendously popular position within israel. you can look at the polling. something like 60% plus want the peace process to resume. many israelis believe and again, a majority if you look at the polls, that continued intransigence could pose an existential threat to israel. you have all kinds of very conservative governments in israel, in the united states, over the last four or five decades, who have all recognized that the international law is clear on this. you cannot start building permanent settlements in land that has been taken as the result of a war. that is what has happened since
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1967. someone's got to dial this back. the united states under the obama administration wanted to be in their words, an honest broker who will have some credibility in trying to make that happen. if donald trump wants to go in a different direction, we will soon find out. >> that i think is a key question, when you say someone needs to dial this back, that means leadership. someone's going to have to take the lead, not lighting a fire on this diplomatic debacle in the very least, this diplomatic fight between the united states and its closest middle east ally. someone has to take the lead to dial that back. donald trump, is that the person that's going to dial back this rhetoric and kind of defuse this, errol? do you see that? do you see him in that role? >> he is certainly not going to do it on twitter. i think somewhere along the line he will either feel through his gut or be told by his advisers that the percentage of americans who favor economic sanctions against israel because of its settlement policy increased from
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37% in november of 2015 to 47% now, that all of the tough talk may be great for some of the donors, may be great on capitol hill, it doesn't necessarily resonate with the american people and again, it's going to have to, you know, some parts of his very unorthodox approach to politics and governance is going to have to change when it comes to this particular very sensitive part of the world. >> yeah. i think what errol is saying makes a lot of sense but i don't think donald trump cares that 47% of the people want tougher measures on israel. it's not going to happen. he's going to bring u.s. and israel as close as lips and teeth, to quote chairman mao. there is no way he's going to use these kinds of pressures against the government of israel. we are entering an era for better or worse where the u.s. government and israeli government will be aligned. >> a little bit more on israel's reaction to this vote. here's a little bit more from ambassador dermer just this morning on what israel's going to do about this going forward.
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>> look, if people thought that this resolution was going to make israel capitulate and go down on its knees, they are sadly mistaken. israel will stand taller than's the ever been and we will respond to this action by the international community. you saw what the prime minister did yesterday but i think that's just the beginning. >> he said this is going to get worse before it gets better. what's dermer saying there? >> he's saying that this creates an incentive for the israelis to be less cooperative because they can't let this kind of thing become a precedent, okay? he's saying there's no way we are going to set a tone whereby if you pass these kinds of resolutions we are going to make you think these can be a successful way of negotiating mideast peace. he wants to bring it back to the sort of israeli-palestinian direct negotiations. whether or not that's sort of a good faith offer or not is debatable, frankly. but if the u.n. is going to keep doing this, the israelis are going to keep raising the stakes because they feel that's more
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important than dealing with the actual issue right now. they don't want to allow the united nations just to become a venue for israel bashing with the united states looking the other way. >> there could be another resolution coming, as oren lieberman points out before trump's inauguration and the diplomatic fallout, we are looking at it play out. political fallout, what that means for trump on his first day in office couldn't be more of a tricky question for him to be taking on in terms much mideast peace on day one or even before that as he's weighing in. great to see you. thank you so much. president-elect donald trump says his foundation will close its doors but maybe not so fast. an investigation into his charity may not let him close his doors. that's ahead. plus president obama says if he had run again, he could have won even though clearly legally, he cannot. or constitutionally he cannot. that's according to obama himself. the new exclusive interview with the president. into a science.
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25 days until donald trump is sworn in as president of the united states. as an effort to untangle himself from any conflicts of interest the president-elect plans to dismantle his charity, the trump foundation. that was just announced over the weekend. but new york's attorney general is saying about that, not so fast. our national correspondent ryan nobles is watching all the transition news for us from washington. ryan, what do we know about this announcement and what's going to happen next? >> reporter: well, logistically it shouldn't take that much to shut the trump foundation down. they have no employees, they haven't raised money in some time. trump himself hasn't donated to the charity since 2008. but it is a different story
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legally. a spokesperson for new york attorney general eric schneiderman, he was of course a hillary clinton supporter and launched an investigation into the charity during the campaign, said the foundation cannot dissolve itself until his investigation is complete. schneiderman has been investigating how trump used the foundation to settle some personal business dealings. trump is hoping that shutting down the foundation could begin that process of separating his private affairs from his work as president and in a statement he said quote, to avoid even the appearance of any conflicts with my role as president, i have decided to continue to pursue my strong interest in philanthropy in other ways. the much bigger chore for trump is figuring out how to isolate himself from his vast business interests around the world in a way that avoids potential conflicts of interest. trump has said he will outline that process but the details of that plan won't be revealed until the new year. of course, we are getting very close to him being inaugurated as president so many of us waiting to see how he plans to
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unpack his business dealings before he becomes president. >> it seems that the second part of the equation, how to untangle himself from his business, is a much more difficult question because he was going to announce it, then because of how challenging it is and how difficult it is to figure it out with his type of business, they had to push back that news conference. we don't have a date certain? >> reporter: that's right. as you mentioned, he originally planned to do it sometime in december but as his transition got into that it was clear it would take more work than they anticipated. now they just said wait until after the new year for more information. >> still, got new information about the trump foundation. great to see you. thank you. joining me to discuss this is richard painter, former white house ethics attorney under george w. bush. he is also professor of corporate law at the university of minnesota. spoke with you what feels like eons ago when you came out with an opinion piece saying that
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donald trump must do more to untangle himself and protect himself from any potential conflicts of interest. we now have this information. he is dissolving or at least wants to dissolve his charity. this is good news, right, for good governance folks? >> well, yes. this is a step in the right direction. i also wrote another opinion piece over the summer suggesting that secretary of state clinton should offer to close down that foundation if elected. they didn't do that. i think this makes a charitable fund-raising foundations with politics and elected office is not a good one. that's a step in the right direction. i hope the new york attorney general will let this close down as soon as possible. but the much bigger issue is the for-profit businesses. if president trump does not separate himself from the for-profit businesses, we will have a lot of problems. there will be states attorneys-general, plaintiffs' attorneys and everyone else
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nipping at his heels with respect to business operations. we have buildings overseas with his name on them that could be potential terrorist targets. we koecould end up with bribery investigations. there's the problem of foreign government money flowing into the trump empire. that's a constitutional issue as of january 20. they need to make sure no foreign government money would violate the emolument clause of the constitution. there are a whole lot of problems president trump could deal with by selling off his business interests or giving them over to a trustee in a blind trust so the trustee can figure out how to dispose of these properties and he could focus on being president. he has a lot of issues to deal with. we have a crisis in the middle east, global warming and everything else. >> i want to ask you about his business interests fwhin one sed but the new york attorney general said he legally cannot dissolve his foundation until their investigation into the charity's money has wrapped up.
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do you think the a.g. is likely to stand in the way of dissolving this charity since that's what many people have called for him to do? it seems kind of counterproductive if the attorney general stops that from happening. >> the priority for the american people is having a president who could focus on his job. that means dissolving this foundation as soon as possible. the new york attorney general can continue to investigate whatever he thinks happened and if he can prove it was wrongdoing i'm sure the people will be held accountable but the new york attorney general's investigation is not the priority right now. right now we need to have a president who is free of conflict of interest. that means dissolving the foundation. it also means president trump selling off his business interests that create conflicts of interest, making sure there's no foreign government money coming into his operations. >> the -- dissolving the foundation, at least it's described by many, dissolving the charity seems to be the easiest of the conflicts of
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interest to put to rest. his business seems to be a very different beast in how to deal with in terms of building a clear wall between him and his business interests. from what donald trump has announced with regard to his charity, does that tell you anything about how he may cut himself off from his business? does it give you any further idea? >> well, i think he appears to be willing to take some steps to avoid conflicts of interest. there's a lot more encouraging than we were about ten days ago, where we had his children raising money auctioning off time with ivanka over coffee. at least we are moving the right direction. it will be a challenge to address the business interests and to divest the businesses, they create conflicts of interest. a lot bigger challenge than the foundation. but he needs to do it. i hope, i very much hope he's moving that direction and that
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also people won't stand in the way, whether it's state attorneys general or anyone else. >> you mentioned the children. it seemed donald trump was dissolving his charity but is very unhappy about the fact at least some of his kids are cutting off their charitable work as well. he wrote this over the weekend that my wonderful son eric will no longer be allowed to raise money for children with cancer because of a possible conflict of interest with my presidency. isn't this a ridiculous shame. he loves these kids, has raised millions of dollars for them and now must stop. the president-elect saying wrong answer. i found that fascinating. >> well, i think it was the right answer and i'm glad that the trump children are not going to be raising money. they have money of their own that they can give away but i don't think having the president's family going out there soliciting money for charitable causes or for anything else is going to improve the image of the presidency. we learned from the episode with
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the clintons that the public does not respond well to this type of mixing of roles. there are plenty of people out there very good at raising money for charity but let's have the trump family support him as president and also they may have some businesses to run and they have plenty of other things to do and they can give away their own money to charity and leave the solicitation to other people. >> richard painter, thank you so much for your expertise on this. a lot more to come before inauguration. we will learn more and have you back. appreciate it. president obama suggests he could have been re-elected if he had run again. constitutional problem there. other than that, what does that say for hillary clinton? and this. remembering the life and legacy of george michael after his surprising and shocking death. tributes around the world pouring in.
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♪ that was one of george michael's hits. his manager says george michael died of heart failure at his home at the age of just 53 on christmas day. george michael's career spanned many decades and many genres
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beginning as a member of pop duo wham!. he won two grammys as a solo artist and sold millions of records when he died. he was working on a documentary called "freedom." joining me to discuss, george michael's career, is the senior editor of billboard magazine. great to see you. thanks for coming in. when an artist like george michael dies, it forces you to look back and look back at all their hits and with george michael, it is hit after hit after hit. it spans so many genres from pop, r & b to even holiday classics. how would you describe how he's going to be remembered? what his impact on music will be? >> well, he was a consummate pop star but his career was very front-loaded. he was a superstar by the time he was 20. most of his hits came in the '80s. and from 1992 or so on, it really kind of tapered off.
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he toured when he felt like it, he went 15 years without touring but came back and did a huge tour, grossed $100 million. okay, i'm set for awhile. released an album every few years. occasionally he would make appearances. it was almost all based on those first five years. >> he didn't have, he also didn't live a completely charmed easy life. you talk about the '90s. he struggled very publicly with drugs and the law. >> absolutely. >> how did that change him? >> well, it feels like he said very often he didn't like being a superstar so he backed away from it. then the lawsuit with the record company ensues that knocks him out of action for several years. he gets results but comes back not quite as big as before. it's the sort of classic dilemma of when you are that rich and you have that much, you have already achieved all of your dreams, what do you do with yourself? you can keep making records but it didn't seem to satisfy him that much so you go into drugs and there were several drug and driving incidents and he was
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very honest about it and very up front about it, just said it was my own stupid self again. he struggled with his sexuality publicly. he always knew who he was, i think, but i think his parents were sort of an issue -- >> that's an important element of george michael and his impact. we can't forget the time period when this happened, when george michael came out very publicly to announce that he was gay. i think we have a clip of that interview. let's listen to it. we don't have it. one part of it i thought was very fascinating, he said i don't feel any shame whatsoever and neither do i think i should. i think that speaks to your point, he may not have talked about it publicly, he always knew who he was. >> absolutely. he said he was bisexual. then like freddie mercury, he toured, realized i'm gay. his first serious relationship with a man, that man died of
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aids, a few years later his mother died of cancer. who knows what his health was like at this point. in terms of his sexuality he knew who he was. he did say i didn't want to say that for my mother, blah, blah, blah. within himself i think he was fine with it. publicly it was more of a struggle. >> i heard a couple of people describe his impact, that he paved the way or opened doors for other british soul artists like amy winehouse, adele, sam smith. did people recognize that when george michael was still alive? >> i think so, more so in england because his career lasted -- he was a superstar longer in england. he could go away for ten years, come back and still have number one records. it wasn't so much the case here. i actually just saw a tweet on the way here that somebody said losing david bowie, prince and george michael in the same year is very sad because all of them have shown there's more than one way to be a man. >> that is a wonderful way of putting it and actually something i was going to ask you
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about. when you look at 2016 as we are about to wrap up the year, you have george michael -- what? >> thank heaven. >> we have george michael, david bowie, prince. what happened this year? we lost so many huge musical stars. >> with those three, what i usually say when people ask that question is you know, the '60s generation is starting to age out. when people hit their 70s, the mortality rate rises but that doesn't work for prince or george michael. george michael, they are still just saying heart failure. i don't know exactly what it was. i don't think it's been announced, maybe won't be announced but he had to cancel a tour in 2011 due to pneumonia. he later talked about having a tracheotomy. with prince it was drug addiction. with bowie it was cancer. >> for fans, what i have heard
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every time we unfortunately have to report on these deaths is that fans, it doesn't matter how they died, just they have to take this moment to remember what they provided. sound track for definitely at least a decade and beyond. >> he was one of the greats. wish we had more from him. >> thank you. appreciate it. "star wars" actress carrie fisher is in stable condition thankfully after suffering cardiac arrest while on a flight. her mother, debbie reynolds, tweeted this. carrie is in stable condition. if there is a change we will share it for all her fans and friends, i thank you for your prayers and good wishes. the actress and writer was flying from london to los angeles friday when she became ill. she was in london filming a new season of "catastrophe" and had also been promoting her book "the princess diarist" excerpts of journals she had kept while shooting the first "star wars" movie. we wish her the best. president obama is speaking
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just 25 days until the obama presidency heads to the history books. the president sat down for a lengthy interview with his former senior adviser and cnn's senior political commentator david axelrod. they talked about the 2016 election and obama had very interesting and probably surprising assessment. listen. >> in the wake of the election
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and trump winning, a lot of people have suggested that somehow it really was a fantasy. what i would argue is that the culture actually did shift, that the majority does buy into the notion of a one america that is tolerant and diverse. i am confident in this vision because i'm confident that if i had run again and articulated it, i think i could have mobilized a majority of the american people to rally behind it. >> there's that. let's discuss. let's bring in our panel. joseph borelli, new york city councilman who supported donald trump throughout the campaign and danielle mcloughlin, democratic strategist and attorney. guys, great to see you. danielle, when you hear president obama saying that his hope and change vision, if i had
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run again and articulated this vision, i would have been able to get a majority of the american people to rally behind it. is he right? >> one thing we need to be clear about, i don't think it was a dig on hillary clinton. i think what obama was talking about was something that we didn't do as democrats and that was tie our vision of a one america, i think civil rights which joe might call identity politics but we call civil rights, tied that to an economic investigation americans could believe in. civil rights are economic rights fundamentally. i think hope is something we all as humans can aspire to and agree on. i think the vision that trump put forth making america great again, i think people who didn't vote for him wondered what part of america's history he was referring to, because for women, for minorities, for a lot of americans, this is the time where we have had the most freedoms, the most access to justice, the most economic power, and i think that was the comparison obama might have been
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making. >> i appreciate the comparison that you think he was making but how could it not be on some level a criticism of hillary clinton? he did compliment hillary in how she handled and how she ran her campaign but she was the one running the campaign so he clearly thought she should have run on a different vision. >> right. clearly, she didn't win and there were three key states where she didn't win. i think there's been a lot of talk within democratic circles and generally, we should have done a better job with quote unquote, regular americans, that message didn't get through and that's what we need to think about going to 2020 and of course to 2018. >> the president said a lot of things in that interview. some of them are very accurate and some are not. i think he was correct in taking a dig at hillary clinton and -- >> you did see it as a dig? >> i did see it as somewhat of a dig. face the facts. she was a very fundamentally imperfect candidate who lacked any type of messaging the ining to middle class voters. barack obama was a great
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campaigner, a better campaigner than hillary clinton. i think it borderlined on cockiness and arrogance to say that had he been the candidate he would have been able to articulate it better and win. let's not forget, a big part of this election was also a referendum on his eight years in office and whether the country wants to continue going down that path. so it's both a dig and cockiness on his part. >> i do remember, we all do quite well, that president obama was on the campaign trail almost as much as he could. he was on the campaign, the first lady was on the campaign for hillary clinton, so it was not that he was running again but he sure was running, trying to run on his name for her. >> no question. we saw the crowds, we saw that people spoke to him and he spoke to them. you think about his approval rating, he's about 54%, on average, and the incoming president is about 44%. so strategically, democrats made mistakes, no question about it.
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the fact clinton had been in the public eye for 30 years, there was this amount of baggage that seemed to trouble her, obviously. she couldn't overcome it and of course we had embarrassing leaks and other things that frankly, no republican had to deal with. i'm not making excuses but there are certainly parts of this election that definitely disadvantaged her as a candidate. >> i want to play more of this interview. it was a 50 minute interview he sat down with david axelrod. these are only some of the select highlights. it is a fascinating conversation. if you have time to listen to it in full. here's what the president said about his future, his post-presidency. listen to this. >> i have to be quiet for awhile. and i don't mean politically. i mean internally. i have to still myself. now, that doesn't mean that if a year from now or a year and a half from now or two years from now, there is an issue of such moment, such import, that isn't
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just a debate about a particular tax bill or, you know, a particular policy, but goes to some foundational issues about our democracy that i might not weigh in. >> i find this take fascinating. he is still going to be in washington, because their daughter will be graduating from high school so he's sticking around. what does that kind of involvement look like a year plus from now? does that concern you? >> it shouldn't be concerning to anyone but him. i think he's the one who is most worried about what his legacy looks like both from the fact that any time during his eight years when he wasn't able to get legislation passed he issued executive orders, some 250 or so, and you are going to see donald trump dismantle a lot of the things he touted. also, you have to realize he was not a great president for the democratic party and that's part of his legacy as well. look across the country, you see the democrats control state houses and governorships of only six states now. they have half the number of total governors they had. they lost so many state
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legislative seats around the country that this has been billed as something that the president has failed to do, failed to unite democrats across the country. >> he's talking about his legacy. that is not surprising, of course. presidents in their -- >> and he's young. very young man. >> they focus on their legacy. someone else focused on president obama's is newt gingrich, who said this about obama's legacy over the weekend on fox news. >> i think president obama is beginning to figure out his legacy is like one of those dolls that as the air comes out of it shrinks and shrinks and shrinks, and in a desperate frenzy. he's setting up a series of things to distract trump, feel good about democrats and hate republicans when trump rolls them all back. >> deflating doll in a desperate frenzy to save his legacy. do you think obama's legacy is at risk here? >> no question what donald trump
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is coming in to do is in many ways anti-teteiccal to what president obama tried to do the last eight years. no question doing things he wants to preserve. banning drilling in antarctica. looking at these other, some of these other -- immigration. he's in a big rule-making phase to protect what he can. i don't think there's any president who leaves the white house for the last time who isn't concerned about what his successor is going to do and i think obama is no different. he's young, as you say, joe. i think he'll be out there and frankly democrats need him. democrats need him to pull people together, to go out into all of america and to explain to the electorate why democratic values and why our solutions to the problems we all face are the ones that will benefit all americans. >> some of the lessons barack obama talked about in his interview, democrats need to get back out there, even in city councils, school boards. >> obama care was pinned on the
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town dog catcher candidate in some states. >> great to see you. >> happy boxes day. >> happy boxing day, as we would like to say on this fine day. programming note, catch cnn's special report "the legacy of barack obama" tonight at 9:00 eastern. still ahead for us, russia on the hunt for any clue what brought down a military jet. officials are ruling out terrorism, but what brought down this jet with 92 people onboard? details ahead.
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a massive search operation is under way in the black sea after a russian military plane with 92 people onboard crashed near the olympic town of sochi believed everyone onboard was killed. russian authorities are saying pilot error or possibly a mechanical problem could be to blame. they already seem to be ruling
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out terrorism. russia observing national day of mourning right now. cnn's senior international correspondent matthew chance joins me live from moscow. where do things stand wit search and the investigation into what happened? >> reporter: in terms of the search, they've got teams of rescue workers or of salvage workers at this point operating in the black sea. quite difficult conditions. the sea very deep where the plane went down but they have at least four ships on the surface scouring for any sign of debris, and they've got submersibles as well and teams of divers working around the clock to try and locate the various parts of the plane and already there have been numerous big parts of the wrecked fuselage that have located, although it's not clear at this point that the black box flight recorders have been recovered and they will, of course, be essential determining what exactly went wrong, and also bodies pulled out of the black sea. they have to be identified, of course, but about 11 bodies so
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far of the 92 believed to be onboard were pulled out. at the moment, officials are saying they believe it isn't terrorism, possibly mechanical failure, but more details in the days ahead. >> matthew chance, thank you for that update. we'll keep a close eye on that as that search continues. a stunning allegation from the israeli prime minister accusing essentially the obama administration of colluding against the state of israel. president-elect trump is weighing in. details ahead. it to perfection. because making the perfect dinner isn't easy as pie but finding someone to enjoy it with sure is. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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