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to say they're nervous about the russians, is to put it mildly. >> let's compare that to president-elect trump. he told fox news he doesn't believe russia tried to influence the election to help him win. >> would trump have won this race if russia did not get involved? >> all i know is russia helped a lot. those wikileaks coming out, drip, drip, drip, hurt her. and comey helped trump significantly. a week before the election he came out with this. oh, we found some more e-mails. as a result of that, we lost senate seats. and i think we lost the presidency. >> so, you think comey single-handedly swayed this election to clinton and kept republicans in the senate? >> i'm not saying single-handedly but -- well, i'll say single-handedly. had he not written that letter a week or so before the election, she would have won. we would have picked up two more
senate seats. >> manu raju with the interview. with me now, cnn senior political reporter nia-malika henderson. nice to see you, my friend. let's begin with -- listen, we heard from the top republican senator. he declined to comment specifically, though, on donald trump. what about speaker ryan? >> paul ryan came out two hours ago with a statement. he has called any interference we russia into this american election unacceptable, problematic because russia, as he said, has been an aggressor. he also cautioned against seeing this through a partisan light. essentially saying any attempt to view this election as illegitimate was not in keeping with what he wanted to see out of any of the conversations around. this. certainly if donald trump thought folks on the hill, whether it be mcconnell or paul ryan, would follow him, you know, in terms of questioning the cia, that hasn't happened. it seems like we've got people at the top ranks of the republican party, both on the
senate side and the house side, willing to look into this and follow through with investigations. that's certainly something paul ryan has said in terms of the investigations committee on the hill that he is encouraging their work into cyber threats more generally. >> what about just quickly, we heard clinton campaign chair john podesta, the notion these electoral college electors want these foreign briefings ahead of the vote next week. why do you think he's saying this? >> well, listen, he's come out -- essentially about ten electors have come out asking for that, nine democrats and one republican, saying they have a right to this information, that essentially they should be given that security clearance so they can be party to whatever these investigations find out and
uncover about russia's involvement in this election. and the argument there is that they need to be informed before they cast their ballots in the different states, for or against donald trump. so, listen, i mean, this is sort of a drip, drip, drip thing that's going on. we had known about some of this, as the election had gone on, but for this kind of bombshell to come out on friday. and then an extraordinary day, right? today with mitch mcconnell coming out and talking about an investigation into this, folks wanting to get to the bottom of it, and paul ryan saying the same thing. each cautioning, of course, this doesn't have anything to do with undermining the legitimacy of the outcome, but certainly wanting to figure out what russia's hand in this election might have been. >> not about changing the election results, but intent, intent, intent. nia-malika henderson, thank you so much. >> thank you, brooke. outgoing senate minority leader harry reid is also speaking up, going after the fbi
director, james comey, over russia's involvement in the election. senator reid says comey was slow to act when he, himself, urged the fbi to look into this further. >> i thought it was important to put the fbi on notice, do something about it. i wrote in august, and the fbi director didn't have the decency, the courtesy, to even respond to my letter. i got something from somebody on the government affairs department, somebody that probably doesn't know his way down to the capitol, sent me a letter saying, we're looking into it. they looked into nothing. >> why do you think that is? >> it was obvious he was a part in all this. >> comey? >> yeah, comey. >> while the fbi agrees with the cia that there was, indeed, hacking by the russians, there's a question as to why it was done. the cia says it was, in fact, to help donald trump win, but the fbi hasn't quite reached that conclusion. let's go to our justice correspondent, evan perez. i want you to explain to me the differences, the nuances between
how the cia arrived at this bombshell allegation and where the fbi is. >> reporter: well, you're right, brooke. there's a lot of nuance to be gotten. strictly speaking, you know, the cia arrived at this conclusion, this view, that the russians were trying to help donald trump get elected. that's what they told lawmakers when they did a briefing a couple weeks ago. however, even that conclusion, that assessment the cia presented, is not 100%. they're simply loog a little guesswork based on -- it's educated guess based on some circumstantial evidence. also, according to people we've talked to, that the cia developed additional information from their own sources. now, none of this information apparently leads directly back to moscow, from moscow to wikileaks, which is the website that published some of these embarrassing e-mails that hurt the democrats. the fbi is sort of not ready to go there. they just don't -- they don't quite yet see enough evidence to
say the motivation the russians had was to get donald trump elected. they simply think right now the russians were trying to undermine the system. it appears that's what they've done. >> evan, thank you very much. let's take a closer look and bring in additional voices. dana bash, cnn chief political correspondent, bucks sectixton,d jill dougherty, fellow at woodrow wilson center and former moscow chief. just to underscore some of this, mike morrell in an interview over the weekend, he called the cia report the political equivalent of 9/11. dana bash, just underscore for me, you know, when it comes to democracy here in this country, how this is such an explosive allegation. >> it is. i mean, look, 9/11 happened. there's no alleged, there's no nothing. it happened. and it was, obviously, the
biggest tragedy on american soil. to call it the political equivalent is to assume that the investigation is fully done and we know exactly what happened, which we don't yet. obviously, the cia has drawn an initial conclusion that there was tampering by russia, but we don't know the extent to which that has happened, which is why there is very rare, bipartisan agreement on capitol hill that there should be an investigation. i mean, i can count the number of times that the democratic leader and the republican leader in the united states senate agree on something on one hand. maybe half of a hand. especially something that is this -- that is this politically explosive, at least potentially politically explosive. but it is incredibly urgent, both sides agree, we get to the bottom of whether or not a former super power, another super power, whatever you want to call russia, i'll let my
friend and former colleague jill dougherty describe what they are right now, try to and maybe even successfully meddled in the united states of america and its ultimate action in democracy, which is elections. >> jill, let me go to you as someone who knows so much about russia. before i hear from you, i want to add this sound. this is from former ambassador to russia michael mcfaul on "meet the press" as to perhaps a motive for the russians. here he was. >> one is revenge against secretary clinton. let's remember that vladimir putin thinks she intervened in his election, the parliamentary election in december 2011. and has said as much publicly. i've heard him talk about it privately. >> jill dougherty, i mean, is that even a possibility, retribution against hillary clinton? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, no surprise there because there's a lot of animosity, i think probably
mutually, but certainly on the part of president putin, because he does believe that the united states/hillary clinton interfered in starting those demonstrations on the streets of moscow. and he also has made the point many times that democracy organizations, ngos, how to run elections, et cetera, he considers them, you know, organizations that are trying to start color revolutions in russia. potentially overthrow him. so, yes, that theory is, i think, very much on the table. i mean, there are others. it could be not only to hurt hillary clinton, but then you get into that area of help donald trump. but in my book, if you hurt hillary, you help trump, so that kind of evens it out. and then the final thing is to hurt any perception of democracy in the united states. >> so, there's a lot, buck.
let me turn to you. you have this allegation from the vooi that the russian involvement and then you also have the fact that we have the next president of the united states, he's not buying what the cia is selling. he said it could be russia, china, some guy in a bedroom. you as former cia, underscore the importance to me -- i know intel community members are now nervous, the importance of the relationship between the president of the united states and intelligence. >> well, i think trump is reacting specifically to leaks here, which is what we're talking about, whether it's from senate democrats or people inside the intelligence community, that are clearly meant to undermine him. there is not consensus in the intelligence community, therefore, they would not come out and say openly that putin was actively trying to help donald trump. it's a very important distinction. for a long time it's been known russia intervened in the election. this hurts the relationship for trump going in, to be sure. i can understand the mentality the trump transition team now
feels because there's been a series of stories that have been getting a lot of attention, i would argue inflated attention in media, whether it's comey in turning the election against hillary clinton. which we heard harry reid, or the fake news stories. we've heard so much about fake news. now, with this, it just feels like there's a constant effort not just to criticize trump, to say that he's not going to be a good president or people think he's in over his head but to completely delegitimize the entire election and him as president. the not my president movement essentially being made real by these allegations in the media. i think that's where trump hardens on his line and says, i'm not going to take it, i don't care about the assessment that's been leaked, by the way, not a formal assessment, and i think this is setting a very difficult path going forward for the president and i.c., which if it gets mended.
pompe it looks like they're trying undermine the next commander in chief, which is not good. >> let's listen to donald trump. >> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia, but maybe it was. i mean, it could be russia, but it could also be china. it could also be lots of other people. it could be someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? >> buck, i'm hanging on your every word. i think what you said is fair. dana, i know you're agreeing with what buck was saying. i know that was in september, during a debate with clinton, some guy -- some guy in a bedroom, i mean, does he realize how sophisticated this hack and interference is, is my question? >> unclear. he's been saying on twitter that even to get to the bottom of it, you would have had to figure it out real time or even at least close to real time, which i
don't know -- i don't know if that's exactly accurate in terms of the forensic investigation of a hack or a potential hack. look, at the end of the day, the idea that he is going to be coming in to a white house, to be the commander in chief when he is so openly questioning the intelligence is problematic. but i totally agree with bud in that you have a situation where the intelligence community isn't necessarily in agreement. and this is certainly a school of thought within the intelligence community, but it is not a total conclusion, which is why at the beginning when you asked me about the comment saying this is the political 9/11, i think that's way too strong for -- >> yes. >> -- for an allegation, not an incident, not a conclusion. which is why it's so important
that members of congress on both sides say they do want to investigate. unclear if they'll get to the bottom, but at least they'll try. >> what mike morrell said about it being a political 9/11 is completely out of bounds, way too far. >> let's play some sound from donald trump because speaking of the intelligence community, gerngs other members are concerned he hasn't been getting these presidential daily briefings. you know a thing or two about that. here's what mr. trump said. >> these are very good people that are giving me the briefings. and if something should change from this point, meetly call me. i'm available on a one minute's notice. i don't have to be told -- you know, like i'm a smart person. i don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years. could be eight years, but eight years. i don't need that. >> buck, you gave briefings at the white house to president bush. what do they involve? is he right that they could be
repetitive? >> it depends if it's the usual briefer or someone coming in with particular expertise. the truth is the process of bringing the intelligence community's product comes to the president changing with each presidency and changes throughout the presidency. it's always a work in progress depending on what the commander in chief wants, depending on how he or she consumes that information. i think with trump you'll see a lot of delegation to those who have more national security expertise than he does. that may not be a bad thing. i think we should wait and see how he approaches this before jumping too far down the path way of, he doesn't take this too seriously. once he realizes he has the income codes, he'll take it seriously. >> can i just say, buck, not bud, buck, you have free passes to call me dana not dana. >> it's all good. >> sorry. >> dana, buck, jill -- >> i thought she said buck. >> whatever. apparently the easter bunny exists according to bill presser. let's move on. thank you for joining me.
coming up next, trump's leading candidate for secretary of state, a big oil giant, a buddy of vladimir putin's and now republicans are sounding the alarm. we'll hear from someone who says this could work. also ahead, china calls trump a quote/unquote, ignorant child after the president-elect uses a decade's old policy as a bargaining chip. this is escalating a bit too fast? you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. and at progressive, we let you compare
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job of reince priebus, who, of course, is going on to become the white house chief of staff. this is what we're getting from a transition source to cnn. the announcement is expected to happen this week. according to this source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. there you have it. it is going to be rana romney mcdaniel as the rnc chair. donald trump's top contender for secretary of state could be rejected by a small but vocal uprising within his own party. rex tillerson is one of the most recognized faces in big oil and has negotiated oil deals with russia, deals that are worth billions of dollars. tillerson, who has zero diplomatic experience in the traditional sense, has actively spoken out against u.s. sanctions against russia and just a couple years ago he was awarded russia's order of friendship by vladimir putin himself. so, penned a piece eight reasons
exxon's rex tillerson could succeed as secretary of state. than nice to have you on. first to you, the back lash has been swift and strong, including among top republicans. >> it's notable many republicans on capitol hill quickly pushed back on this saying they're concerned over the ties that rex tillerson has with vladimir putin, the work he's done with russia over the years. we heard from senator john mccain over the weekend saying he's very concerned about their friendship. he's called vladimir putin a murderer and thug, and we also heard from senator rubio sounding the alarms. he took to twitter and tweeted, quote, being a friend of putin is not an attribute i'm hoping from from a secretary of state. notably rubio is a member of the senate foreign relations committee. so, he has a big role in potentially considering tillerson should he officially be nominated by donald trump.
he potentially has some sway with other members on that committee that could potentially tip the balance. might not get this nomination out of the committee should it be fully considered. i think it is notable that not only you're hearing grumblings from many important players on capitol hill really indicating to trump and his transition team that there might be a fight ahead. >> ellen, we've heard the grumblings on a rex tillerson pick. i want you to tell me some of your reasons why he would be an excellent pick. >> sure. well, i think it comes down to the fact that he has a lot of the skills and experience as the ceo of exxon that dovetail nicely with what you would want to see in a secretary of state. for example, he has negotiated many, many deals. you mentioned some of them with russia, but there are many others. and not just with foreign leaders. and this is clearly an issue secretaries of state have to deal with, sitting down at the
negotiating table and working with people, but also advocating for the interests of n his case, exxon, but if he was to be secretary of state, those interests would become those of the united states. he's a great manager. exxon is a huge company with operations in 50 companies -- in 50 countries, and the department of state, you know, is almost everywhere in the world. so it's pretty clear. i don't think there's any evidence to suggest his skills and his experiences would have -- wouldn't make him an excellent choice to do well in the job. the real question, what we're hearing about, is his loyalty. they're questioning, is he loyal to u.s. interests as opposed to, say, exxon's interests. if you look at it -- >> the fact his company, with a stake in russia, how much would be a liability, a conflict of interest if he were to be asked to take the post?
>> well, here's what i would say. he has demonstrated incredible loyalty to exxon over his years. that's his fiduciary duty. if he becomes secretary of state, he'll have to replace that loyalty with loyalty and pursuit of american interests. the fact he's demonstrated the capability to pursue interests of his employer with incredible success, i think, demonstrates that he very well could be a very effective advocate for the united states. of course, that's something that the senate will need to explore when or if he comes before them for confirmation. can he replace those loyalties with exxon to loyalties to the united states. i don't think there's any evidence to suggest that that wouldn't necessarily be the case. >> that's fair. we'll see if, in fact, he is the choice and move from there. sunlen and ellen, thank you so much on rex tillerson. coming up next,
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broke with u.s. protocol, as he spoke on the phone can the president of taiwan. since that call, trump has been vocal about using the one china policy as a bargaining chip. >> i fully understand the one china policy, but i don't know why we have to be bound by one china policy, unless we make a deal with china. having to do with other things, including trade. >> let's bring in our cnn chief national security correspondent, who i know knows china very, very well. jim sciutto. first of all, explain, you know, a one china policy and tell me more about these flights. >> reporter: okay. so, first of all, one china, not to go too deep into the history but it goes back decades. this goes back to nixon going to china. for years u.s. recognized taiwan as china, after a civil war in china. in the '70s the u.s. switched that, first led by nixon and then carter. it's been in place for some 40 years. it's a really delicate thing.
the u.s. has deep relations with china, big trading partner, et cetera. and it still has relations with taiwan on a thousand different levels. sells them loads of weapons, diplomatic -- not official diplomatic, but ties. that's the balance they have struck there. in effect you're not allies with both but you have relationships with both. china looks at taiwan as if a u.s. state left the united states, hawaii, and became its own country. china looks at taiwan that way. and this is how the u.s. has balanced that, in effect, having relations with both, but the official relations are with china at the diplomatic level and then you have defense relations, trade relations with taiwan. sounds pretty simple and, hey, why don't we turn-t urn that over. >> not when trump picks up the phone and talks to taiwan. >> reporter: from china's perspective, that's a big deal. it's like, wait a second, you're recognizing this renegade state. don't listen to me, but if you
talk to china, dips from the democratic and republican side, you know, it would be nice to think that, hey, let's throw that as a bargaining chip on the table. maybe we could get better, you know, tariffs on u.s. auto sales to china. china doesn't look at -- for china, this is like a nationalist defining issue. are they going to negotiate that away for something else? i don't know. but i do know -- >> what when are they saying? >> reporter: -- martyr people than me think that's nuts. >> we know about the nuclear-capable flights. what do they say about trump? >> reporter: china has said not very nice things. they said they're very concerned about the one china, you know, talk about changing the one china policy. and then in their propaganda, their newspapers, they use their editorials as a way to push a little further. and they've called donald trump a child on this issue. i mean, this is the kind of stuff you have coming out of there. big picture, is it a horrible thing if u.s. gets closer to taiwan? it's a democracy. china is not. no. but the question is, how easily
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well, it is just monday and already this bombshell assessment from the cia, a foreign government, namely russia, meddled with u.s. elections, specifically with the intent to help donald trump win. while the president-elect calls the cia's conclusion in a word ridiculo ridiculous, democrats and even some top republicans are calling for an investigation into the hacking. let me bring in democratic congressman joaquin castro. he serves on the house select committee on intelligence and house foreign affairs committee. congressman, always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> great to be with you, brooke. >> you know the deal, the president-elect is not buying this report from the cia that russia interfered at all. from your closed door briefings and what you know from the cia, do you believe that russia helped win this election for trump? >> well, of course, i can't disclose anything we were told in closed session, but if you look at just the public information that's out there and
what happened during the election, it's clear that gucifer and wikileaks cooperating to put out all those e-mails from john podesta was not helpful. i agree with my colleagues, both republican and democrat, this we need to get to the bottom of this. the american people need to know their democracy is secure, that it's protected from foreign interference, whether it's russia or any other country, and so i know there have been a few proposals so far. for example, adam schiff has said that both the house and senate intelligence committees should investigate this. others are calling for an independent commission. however we get to the bottom of it, the american people deserve to know what exactly happened. >> on the flip side, to be fair to the president-elect, you have members of his transition team -- i'm paraphrasing, these are the same people, the cia, saying there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq and you have
this very forceful report from the cia, the fbi is a tad more ambiguous and murky, but can you understand why donald trump is a little skeptical? >> well, i understand that he's going to be skeptical because he doesn't want to believe that anything but his own charisma and talent helped him win the election. but i was very stunned about his initial response to the cia report because right away he went for the jugular and essentially undermined one of the most if not the most important intelligence agency in the country. that doesn't bode well for his relationship with the cia or the intelligence community. and i think it's really going to be damaging to our country. you couple that with the fact that he's refusing to take daily intelligence briefings, which is traditional for certainly a president but also for a president-elect, and i think that this is a recipe for disaster. and that's why i stand by something that i said months ago, that the worst thing that
could happen to the republican party is for donald trump to become president. >> i'm listening to you very closely, but i also want to go back. do you think that deep, deep down, what this is about for trump and how he responded so strongly against the cia report, is really just about trump and winning and feeling like maybe this would take it away? >> absolutely. i think he probably believes that the idea that anybody that interfered on his behalf, if admits that somehow or americans believe that, that it takes away from his victory. look, this issue is bigger than any one politician, including a president. this is about the safety and security of our democracy. and whether you're a republican or democrat, all of us should want to know how much another government or whether another government interfered because if you don't get to the bottom of it, and then if you don't take action, it's an open door invitation for other governments and other groups to do the same
thing in subsequent elections. >> congressman castro, what about the current administration, i mean, we know the white house has ordered this full review on elections even going back to 2008, but do you think -- and i can understand, you know, from perspective of the white house, they wouldn't want to meddle and look like they're playing politics, but at the same time, they certainly knew a thing or two and should they have been more vocal all along is? >> well, it was a tough call for them, i'm sure -- >> yes or no. >> -- they don't want it to look like they're putting their finger on the scale. it's obvious that if the fbi, james comey didn't hold back with his letter on announcing they're going to take a look at the new e-mails from hillary clinton, so i think that if information was going to be put out there that could affect the election, then everything should have been out there. again, that's all -- that's all in the past at this point. the important thing is that we make sure that no government or no foreign interference happens to our elections in the future.
>> of course. you mentioned james comey. i want to play this sound. this is with harry reid, the outgoing senate minority leader sitting down with manu raju. this is what he said specifically about the fbi director. >> they looked into nothing. >> reporter: why do you think that is? >> well, it's obviously, he was a part in all this. >> reporter: comey? >> comb y yes, it's obvious. there's information out there. he had it and i'm confident and he ignored it. and we know from other reports we've seen from all you guys, there were reports in the people -- in the campaign for donald trump were in touch with the russians. now it's very clear. one of the biggest mysteries that people think exist, why didn't he do something? it's no mystery to me. >> you know, he makes an important point, congressman, but my question is this, democrats have blamed russia and comey and fake news and sexism. on their election loss. do you admit your party made
mistakes with their strategy and needs to do some soul-searching? >> look, of course. you know, i think everybody can monday-morning quarterback and figure out what we should have done different. every time we lose an election, there are things you need to go back and figure out what could have been done better. absolutely. >> why aren't democrats talking more about that, congressman castro? >> i think those assessments are going on now. but the important point senator reid makes there, i think one of the most important points and the question we should all be asking is whether the people who extracted information from the dnc and the dccc and political institutions, whether they be republican or democrat, share that information with any american or americans and certainly anybody that was part of a presidential campaign this past year. >> congressman joaquin castro, thank you so, so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. next, on the very same day the u.s. delivers two f-35
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program. this morning this was the tweet. quote, the f-35 program and cost is out of control. billions of dollars can and will be saved on military and other purchases after january 20th. that, of course, is the day of inauguration. the f-35 is the pentagon's most expensive program with some estimates around $400 billion. this all comes on the very same day the defense secretary ash carter is delivering two f-35 jets to the israeli air force. with me now, paul to talk stocks from cnn money and ian lee. ian lee, first, how is this company responding to trump's criticism? >> reporter: well, brooke, this day wasn't going according to schedule before donald trump's tweet. these planes were delayed in italy because of bad weather. and then you had donald trump raining on their parade further by tweeting out that they were, as you said, costing too much. i put that to the head of the f-35 project for lockheed
martin. he said he's willing and happy to talk about it with the president-elect. here is more of what he had to say. >> lockheed martin and its industry partners understand the importance of affordability for the f-35 program. and since the beginning, we've invested hundreds of millions of dollars to reduce the price of the airplane. more than 70%. >> reporter: brooke, israel's two f-35s eventually arrived. there was a large ceremony. we heard from israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we also heard from u.s. defense secretary ash carter. both reaffirming the close ties between the two countries, israel and the united states. just recently signed a memorandum of understanding, a $38 billion deal. these f-35s will be a part of it. i asked them at the ceremony about what does this mean for israel's air capabilities in the region? i asked this to one of the lockheed martin people on site.
and, of course, he has a stake in this, but he said, if you compare the f-35 to the f-16, which israel has now, is like comparing the iphone 7 to a flip phone. brooke? >> okay. that puts us in terms we can understand here. pa let me turn to you specifically on lockheed martin and this tweet. how did that affect stocks? >> lockheed martin fell on this news. it's another example of trump using his twitter feed as a negotiating tool. >> boeing last week. >> boeing with air force one. now lockheed martin. i think investors have reason to be concerned that trump is going to do this increasingly. even though this is not the first time that any politicians have attacked lockheed over the cost of the f-35. this has been a bipartisan issue. john mccain in april calling it a disgrace because of the cost overruns and delays. so, this is not the first time and it won't be the last because
the f-35 has had lots of problems. >> yeah. paul, thank you. ian, thank you very much there on those f-35s and they are costly. coming up next, syrian regime on the verge of taking complete control of aleppo. tens of thousands trying to escape the violence there. we will talk to a catholic nun and a priest forced to leave their homes because of these ongoing wars both in iraq and syria. what they are seeing firsthand in the medical clinic they have set up to help. don't miss this. [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette
. take a moment to just really focus on what's happening in syria. syrian troops are on the verge of complete control of aleppo. that regime has taken more neighborhoods in the rebel held part of the city. in that same period more than 10,000 people dodged gunfire, emplo explosions to escape this war torn territory. but still trapped inside this city, this 7-year-old girl. she and her mother have gained global attention by tweeting about the horrors they're
hashtag aleppo. they're hoping international aid groups can help evacuate them. with me, the co-founders of a relief organization that provides medical care, food and education to those who have been displaced. this is so important to continue shining a light on this. thank you, father and sister, so much. you were both forced from your homes in iraq to escape isis. father, let me begin with you. tell me what that was like, please. >> so, as everybody knows, christianity in iraq is persecuted since it's starting in the first century after christ. we're still suffering. we were absolutely a majority in iraq but now unfortunately we are a very small minority. that's because of the long
persecution that we suffering since the war start as christians in iraq. we believe that this is very critical point of our history. we are, the christianity, is on the edge of extension in iran. we believe that you can help us. we believe that the history can be rebuilt again. please, we need to stay with us and to help us to rise again because if not, there will be our end. either to help us and to rebuild our history in iraq or tell us and help us to go from there. >> sister, i want to get to how
people can help, but can you just tell me what it was like having to leave your own home, how terrifying was that for you? >> well, brooke, what i can say, it was one of the horrible and unimaginable moments for us that was never thought that this day will come. it was very difficult, like within a few hours to see the whole christian village and towns evacuated from christians and has no church bell rang during sunday or every single day. so it is difficult. it is difficult to, you know, major feel that moment that we have to leave our homes and not knowing if we'll come back or not. but going back was more terrifying than leaving because
we did not expect what we've seen when we went back from destruction, from burning, from looting, from the tunnels that we discovered that isis has created as their hidden places to fight. we're still in shock. we still can't believe this is what they have done to our heritage that we have inherited from our ancestors from the first generation when christianity entered iraq. >> and beyond of course saving lives and souls and homes, i know there's concern in palmyra of of course precious antiquities being destroyed. i have 30 more seconds. father, how can people help? >> first, we need to see that there is hope there because the most important place for the christianity in iraq is near
mosul where the majority of the christians were living. now all are displaced into kurdistan. >> my deepest apologies. i unfortunately am out of time. we will make sure we get the information on cnn.com how we can help you. thank you. "the lead with jake tapper" starts now. >> thanks, brooke. from russia with lulls, the lead starts right now. a former cia director calls it the political equivalent of 9/11 but the president-elect calls it ridiculous. now new details on the debate within the intelligence community over whether russia was trying to throw the election to donald trump. it's not just democrats who want answers. republicans in congress now saying that they also want an investigation into russia's meddling. one of those leading the