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with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. we begin with donald trump tangling with china and his own intelligence agencies. the president-elect insisting democrats are behind the cia's claim that russia tried to influence the election in his favor. he calls the finding ridiculous, even though lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are calling for a bipartisan investigation. this as mr. trump increases tensions with beijing. questioning america's need to adhere to a one china policy. chinese state officials lashing out at the president-elect calling him "an ignorant child." this is just 39 days before inauguration day. cnn has the transition covered starting with jason carroll live from trump tower in manhattan. good morning, jason. >> good morning to you. the chinese government has made it very clear that the one china policy is essential to u.s. chinese relations. meanwhile, the president-elect also challenging u.s. intelligence showing russia was
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behind the hacking during the election. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it it. >> reporter: fiercely attacking the credibility of the central intelligence agency that president-elect dismissing the intelligence community's assessment that russia meddled in the election to help him win. >> they have no idea if it's russia or china. could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. >> reporter: claiming without offering specifics the analysis is politically motivated. >> i think the democrats are putting it out because they suffered one of the greatest defeats in the history of politics in this country. >> reporter: but it's not just democrats. a group of bipartisan senators are joining forces calling for congress to launch an in-depth probe into russia's tampering. saying the reports should alarm every american and urging cyberattacks cannot become a partisan issue. >> i think they did interfere with our elections and i want putin personally to pay a price.
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>> reporter: this as speculation continues over trump's nomination for secretary of state. multiple sources familiar with the transition telling cnn exxon mobil chairman and ceo rex tillerson has emerged as the frontrunner. >> he is much more than a business executive. he is world-class player. >> reporter: the possible nomination already sparking sharp criticism from some in the gop establishment, concerned about tillerson's own ties to russia. in 2013 tillerson was awarded top order for foreigners from russian president vladimir putin. >> a matter of concern to me that he has such a close, personal relationship with vladimir putin. >> reporter: florida senator marco rubio blasting trump's pick. tweeting, being a friend of vladimir is not an attribute i am hoping for from secretary of state. the president-elect, again,
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showing his willingness to challenge china. questioning whether the u.s. should keep its long-standing position that taiwan is part of one china. >> i fully understand the one china policy, but i don't know why we have to be bound by a one china policy unless we make a deal with china having to do with other things, including trade. >> and the chinese foreign ministry releasing a statement, a alisyn, saying the one china policy is basically the bed rock between the united states and china. saying in part we urged the new administration and its leadership to stick to the one china policy. also, on a side note that the trump campaign also taking some heat and some criticism for not taking as many daily briefings as past president-elects to which part the president-elect says, alisyn, basically he doesn't need briefings on a day-to-day basis.
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saying weekly might be okay for now. saying he is a "smart person." alisyn. >> we'll analyze all of that. thanks, jason, for the reporting. 17 intelligence agencies say that russia interfere would the u.s. election but the cia differ on why. let's bring in barbara starr to break down the conflicting information and help us understand this, barbara. >> the why is the big question. what did russia do and why did they do it? now, the cia, by all accounts, believes that the russians were trying to steer the election to donald trump. why does the cia come to this conclusion? that is because the information, the hacked information that was put out in public was only from hacking the democrats. the cia believes republican entities were also hacked. that the russians had that information. but only put out information about the democrats. what does the fbi say about this? the fbi is not so sure that the
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rnc itself was hacked, but maybe some entity. some third-party entity that was holding some republican data. the republican national committee spokesman sean spicer very adamant about this speaking over the weekend. >> if the cia is so convinced of this, why won't they go on the record and say it was as they did with the dnc? i believe that there are people within these agencies that are upset with the outcome of the election and are pushing a personal agenda. the facts don't add up. >> some people saying this is all politics maybe at the hands of the democrats. president obama now calling for an investigation into all of this before he leaves office. and as we've been talking about now a bipartisan consensus also growing in congress that this is so serious that the u.s. government really does have to get to the bottom of it all. chris? >> all right, thank you very much. let's bring in independent
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senator from maine senator king sits on the senate select committees and armed services. senator, thank you for joining us. we are of the understanding that members of congress on both sides of the aisle have been briefed. we're not hearing from any of you disputing the basic intel that russia was involved in the hacking attempts on the u.s. election. but because of the president-elect's questioning of even that basic understanding, do you think proof of the hacking and russia's involvement should be made public to the american people? >> absolutely. and, chris, on those two points, it has been made public. back in october, jim clapper the director of national int intelligence released an extraordinary statement and kind of got lost in all the midst of the campaign at the time and it concluded very clearly that russia was behind the hacking. they were behind the leaks. it was intended -- the word they
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used would interfere with our election and the decision to do so came from the highest levels of the u.s. government. >> that is coa conclusion, not proof. not their bases for the conclusion. >> well, that's why i think we need to have hearings. i think that's exactly why john mccain and chuck schumer and others on a bipartisan basis have said let's have the hearings and try to get to the bottom of it. now, there is a challenge, chris, from the point of view of intelligence and that is sometimes if you give all the evidence, you're giving away your methods and sources of getting that evidence and that is always a danger when you're talking about, we don't want to compromise good sources. but i got to tell you, this little bit of inside baseball. jim clapper who is the head of the overall the director of national intelligence, all 17 agencies. a 53-year veteran of intelligence services for the united states of america through all administrations.
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if he says it, you can take it to the bank. he's about the least partisan and most straight shooter i've seen in washington. so, to dispute and blow off what he said, i guess if you blow off what jim clapper is telling you, you do at your peril. >> the same agency told america that there were weapons of mass destruction before the invasion of 2003 turned out to be wrong. why should they believe him now? >> well, there is a difference. and what we're talking about here is not the agency. there is a lot of, i think we need to -- there is a cia. but the intelligence community which jim clapper speaks for is 17 different agencies that reached a consensus position, including the fbi. so, to say, well, that's sort of confusing to say, well, the cia made a mistake. of course, people make mistakes. i have to tell you, i read a lot of intelligence briefings. that statement they put out in october is one of the more
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unequivocal that i've seen. there just doesn't seem to be much doubt that the russians were involved. there are questions about what their motivations were and that is something yet to be fully determined and that's one of the reasons i think people need to say that we have some hearings. this is really serious. what if they had parachuted eight guys into washington and broken into the building and carried the computers out under their arms? that's effectively what they did. this is an attack on democracy and it's absolutely consistent with what they're doing around the world. >> what do you say to the president-elect about his resistance to what you say is definitive? >> well, i think he ought to sit down with some of the top people and i keep coming back to jim clapper who has such credibility and take a deep breath and listen to this. i think he's too defensive right now and i can understand that. this is -- this is serious business.
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but, you know, this is not a partisan issue. i met last week with a group of people from the baltic states, lithuania, estonia and lafia and they said welcome to the club. they have been experiencing this for years and the interesting thing they said, chris, and i think this goes to the hearings and the declassification of this information. i said how do you guys defend yourself against russia meddling like this? they said we defend ourselves by everybody in the country knowing about it. understanding it. knowing, hey, there go the russians, again. that's the best defense. that's why we need to get this out in the open so the american people understand what's going on here and what they're trying to do. >> you spend so much time gathering intelligence and understanding it, what do you make of the president-elect's comments that he doesn't need a briefing every day? >> well, i got to tell you, in my experience, when you have to make difficult decisions and he, you know, he's a member of
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congress times 100 in terms of difficult decisions. i want the best data i can get and i want it as soon as i can get it and i don't want it filtered through a lot of other people. i am not going to criticize him for it. i think it's a mistake because it's the basis of these very important decisions he's going to have to make and to not have that direct face-to-face briefing every day, i just think is a mistake and will cost him when he makes a decision based on what somebody on his staff filtered the information. >> do you think the president-elect being in somewhat of an apparent denial about russia's role in the hacking here is going to jeopardize rex tillerson as a potential secretary of state pick if he is the nominee? >> well, i think it certainly raises the question -- i almost says raises a red flag. i shouldn't say that. >> two on the nose.
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two on the nose er senator. when you have all these other questions about russia. they are an adversary. they are trying to upset democracy all over the world and certainly trying to do so here and the fact that mr. tillerson seems to have such deep relationships both business and personal in russia and with putin himself is a real question that is going to have to be addressed in depth at his confirmation hearings. i'm going to take them one at a time, chris. i'm quogoing to go to a lot of hearings. just to listen to these folks' answers and get a flavor of what their policies are. naming somebody as secretary of state with these close ties to russia certain lly raises questions. >> senator, please keep us in the loop in what hearings are going to be on this russia matter. thank you for joining us on "new
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the president-elect's transition team making an announcement at this hour. officially nominating retired general john kelly as secretary of the department of homeland security. let's bring in a member of mr. trump's transition committee to talk about all of the other possibilities. we have anthony here to discuss. morning, anthony. >> alisyn, good morning. >> john kelly, we had already heard that name already floated. we know that mr. trump is a big fan. but now it has been made official. of course, the question still lingers about secretary of state. that's the big question that everybody wants to know if they'll have an announcement this week. let's talk about the person who will be a frontrunner that is rex tillerson. i'll put up what we know about him. long been the exxon mobile ceo
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and he is a free trade proponent and we also know that he has a very close relationship with vladimir putin. they have done business deals together, in fact, he received the order of friendship from vladimir putin. before we get to whether or not he is the pick, i just want to put up what senator marco rubio has said about the possibility of rex tillerson. he tweeted yesterday, being a "friend of vladimir" is not an attribute i'm hoping for for a secretary of state. is rex tillerson the next secretary of state? >> well, listen, i can't comment on whether or not he's the next secretary of state. i think it's really up to the president-elect to comment on that. but what i can say about rex tillerson is that this man has had a phenomenal career. you have to remember, alisyn, he joined exxon right out of college and spent his whole career there. this is one of the most successful companies in the world and he's doing business on
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six of the seven cont teninentc. not only does he have a relationship with vladimir putin but 160 nations where exxon is doing business and mr. tillerson has relationships with most of the heads of states in those areas. moreover, other secretaries of state like condoleezza rice and secretary jim baker, secretary rice and baker have recommended him as a person that would be great at this job. >> that is good to know. does it worry you that senator rubio, it sounds like, as well as possibly senator mccain, lindsey graham that they would not necessarily support him and that pick? >> see, i don't get that indication at all that they're not going to support him. i think what they're doing is they're raising issues. they're responsible people in the senate. they have a job to cross rough all our nominees. i think they are raising the issue. i do believe if it should come
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to pass that he is named secretary of state and they get to name him and interact with him, they will see that he is an american first sort of person. he is somebody that is a phenomenal negotiator and will bring those negotiating skills on behalf of the american people to the state department. moreover, as you and i have talked about before, alisyn, we need to look carefully at the state department. you have a $65.9 billion budget there. this is a man that's running a $370 billion company. and we believe if he ultimately gets that job, he's the right type of person to rigorously look through that department and help us shrink it a little bit as it relates to its costs and make it more efficient. so, there's a combination of things there with mr. tillerson that i know that the president-elect likes a lot. but i didn't say he's the choice because we don't know that yet. >> do you agree with the cia and the fbi that rush meddled in the u.s. presidential race?
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>> well, listen, i've looked at all of this information and even before i came on this morning i was looking at our daily brief. and it's still a little bit inconclusive. so, i'm not here to say it happened or -- >> help me understand. how is it inconclusive when the cia and, as you know, 17 intelligence agencies say happened. >> okay. but there's been no source attributed to those people. number one. number two, the fbi is a little bit murky on it. so -- >> they're murky on why. i hear you. there's a difference in terms of motive. they're murky on why. but they also think it was meddling by russia. >> okay. alisyn, when it is finally conclusive, i am very confident that the president-elect is going to make a statement about it. but i think right now we're looking at it and waiting. i think one of the things that we're not upset about, but one of the things we're calling into question is why is this coming
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out right now? is it a white house staffer that's leaking it? it seems very odd to us that someone inside the cia, which is the most prominent secret intelligence agency in the united states would have somebody in there leaking it. so, we just need to understand where it's -- >> the cia is on the record saying they actually didn't want to sway the presidential race the way they felt james comcomy did and that's why they announced it it afterwards. >> i understand, but until this stuff is fully validated and substantiated i think it's inappropriate for us to comment on it and start superspeculating. the president-elect won that election fair and square. it was an elect college landslide and that's how you win the presidency. and, so, we'll wait until we get all the information and then we'll comment on it very fairly and succinctly. >> but if it turns out that, yes, you can confirm from these
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17 intelligence agencies that russia did, in fact, meddle, then what would president-elect trump do? >> alisyn, again, i think we have to wait for the information. i don't want to the question, but it is unfair to throw up a speculative balloon like that and ask us to speculate on it. what i want to focus on is general john kelly who i think is going to be a phenomenal department of homeland security person who is going to work terrifically with secretary of defense mattis to keep the american people safe and lower the drug importation into the united states and securing the border and making our workers and working families feel safer with their jobs. there's a whole host of things that we're working on here at trump tower that i think are more important than that issue right now. so, when it is time to comment on that, i hope you invite me back on and i'll be very happy to explain to your viewers our
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position on that and how we think about it. >> that's a deal. let's do a lightning round of transition team since that is your per teexpertise. rudy giuliani. where is he? what position will he get? >> the president-elect is very fond of the mayor, as all of us are here. they attended the army/navy game together over the weekend. i still think there is a role for the mayor inside the administration, as long as he wants one. the president-elect is one of the most loyal people i ever met in my life and i would say this about the mayor. when times were rough during the campaign, he was there for all of us and there for the president-elect and he's a very competent and very talented guy. my guess is he will get a terrific role, just probably won't be the secretary of state primarily because he pulled himself out of that consideration. >> right, right. >> we respect that. so, that's lightning round number one. keep going, alisyn. >> my producers are wrapping me,
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we will have you back. anthony scaramucci, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. why is team trump reluctant to accept the cia report. not this division on why they might have meddled but that they were involved at all? michael smerconish discusses with us, next. and schools are closed. campbell's soups go great with a cold and a nice red. made for real, real life. won't replace the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says you picked the wrong insurance plan. no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, you won't have to worry about replacing your car because you'll get the full value back including depreciation. and if you have more than one liberty mutual policy, you qualify for a multi-policy discount, saving you money on your car and home coverage. call
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turkish forces pounding kurdish militants in northern iraq this comes after saturday's car bombing and suicide bombings moments apart in istanbul left more than 40 people dead. most of them police officers. this was after thousands of fans had left a soccer game. it is believed the attackers targeted the police patrolling that stadium area. a splinter group of the kurdistan workers' party has claimed responsibility. funeral services are under way for some of the parishioners killed in the bombing of a coptic christian church in egypt. it happened during sunday services. 25 people at least were killed. nearly 50 others were hurt. no claim of responsibility yet. a two-day mourning period in
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nigeria after a weekend church collapse that killed at least 50 worshippers. the roof came crashing down during dedication ceremonies for the church which were still under construction. the governor was among the dignitaries inside. immediate arrest of the contractor and setting up a task force to figure out what went wrong. president-elect donald trump has called the cia conclusions that russia possibly affected the outcome of the 2016 presidential election ridiculous and those working on the transition team are backing their boss up. joining us now is michael smerconish host of "smerconish." a contentious debate with sean spicer this weekend. here's a taste. >> i need to ask you an additional question, speak to the point that -- >> wait, that's not true. >> i'm also concerned, come on. i'm being fair to you. but i have to get a word in every once in a while. i'm also troubled by the idea that my president-elect, he's
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going to be all of our president, is already throwing under the bus the intelligence community with whom he's going to have to work on life and death matters. wasn't that a troubling thing to do at 9:34 last night -- >> no. michael, the "new york times" in their story said they based their conclusion on the fact the rnc was hacked. if the rnc was not hacked, then that cast doubt on their conclusions. >> all right. so, michael, let's start at the beginning. in terms of whether or not russia was involved in the hacking activity in and around the election in this past cycle, the answer seems to be yes by all different aspects of the intel community. it's the motivation that has them still developing their understanding, right? >> so, it seems that there is uniformity of belief that there was hacking by the russians that impacted the dnc. i mean, debbie wasserman schultz
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is out of a job because of this issue. we've all grown tired of reading john podesta's e-mails. respectfully i think sean was trying to say, yes, but, there's a report that the rnc was hacked. i know to a certainty that the rnc was not hacked. therefore, we're casting doubt on all of this information and it was me saying, let's get to the bottom of it. what i'm most troubled by, chris, is the idea that now partisanship is trumping patriotism. what happened to the idea that we would unite against a common enemy and that we would be americans first and republicans, democrats and independents second. that's what has me frustrated. >> this should be a bipartisan issue, no doubt. but basically he's saying our software shows that the rnc computers weren't hacked and the cia is saying their malware or whatever you call it shows fingerprints in the rnc's computers just like the dnc's
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from russia. so, i guess, who are you going to go with, but shouldn't we go with our 17 intelligence agencies? they do this for a living. >> we should. and, secondly, alisyn, what he was also saying is where is the proof that it altered the outcome. frankly, i wish i had a better answer for him on saturday. it would have been something like this. hey, shaean, despite the releas of that statement friday night at 9:30 where you were bragging the victory hillary maintains a 3 million popular vote advantage and 80,000 votes in three swing states determine the electeral college. and let me be clear. i'm not somebody sitting here, hoping for that the outcome is altered. i just want to get to the bottom of all this. i think what's driving the president-elect is that he thinks all this conversation diminishes the nature and size of his victory. and that he probably thinks it calls attention to the fact that she won the popular vote and his
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marg margin, historically speaking, was actually quite thin. >> that's why he says, the president-elect is very careful to use the word landslide when talking about his victory other than george w. bush. carter all the way through to obama had much bigger electoral majorities than trump did. so, it's clear this is a sensitivi sensitivity. but the problem you have is that their righteous purpose of saying don't let hillary off. she lost this elections. the russians didn't win it for her, she lost it. that's a fair point to make. undermining the intelligence about the russians we are now somehow missing the forest with the trees. >> as you know, chris, the hawks have long resided the in gop. that's not necessarily a bad thing. but it is stunning to me that those who would normally be thumping their chests, you know, the cold war relic types thumping their chests against putin and russia and vestiges of the old soviet union are
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stunningly sigh lnt lly silent. john mccain has always been a maverick. i applaud john mccain and i think mccain has the right idea in this. let's not fool one another. john mccain is thinking of that comment that donald trump respects the ones who didn't get caught. there's a lot going on here, i'm sure. i don't want to get into any of that. let's get to the bottom of all of this. >> michael one more point on this. what dopled trunald trump and h seem to be saying the intelligence team failed us in the run up to the iraq war and they made some miscalculations and got us wrong. now they're saying, we can't trust them. is that a fair logic leap? >> i think it's an unfair logic leap. i would be curious to know who from 13 years ago that played a role relative to wmd had a direct role in coming out with this prognostication about russian hack in the election. i bet nobody who was involved in
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that was involved in this. but, now, i want to go back to where we were a week ago because a week ago you said to me, are you troubled by the idea that he's not getting a daily briefing? i'm not troubled but if by inauguration day that's the case, i'd be alarmed. now, we know that the guy who wants to throw the intelligence community under the bus says it's not necessary for him to be briefed on a daily basis and that his posture with regard to the intelligence community is, hey, you briefed me once, now, tell me when things change. put that altogether and now it really is alarming. >> i tell you, something that we see here. it's interesting. you're saying they're gop first. with the leadership i think you're seeing some of that. i wonder, michael, if you're not seeing that on this issue of whether russia should be criticized for what they did, he is kind of emboldening this new alliance among republicans and democrats. you see even a young buck like jim himes coming in and say i
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propose that congress take back its war powers and its declaration of war powers and more republicans are working with democrats to assert congressional authority and fight back the executive, once again. i wonder if trump isn't feeding this new bipartisan alliance against the which are going to be him. >> i think it puts added pressure on this secretary of state pick, you have been talking about rex tollerson. maybe this was a false flag by the obama administration. trump is saying we're not going to trust the intelligence. wow, it is a whole new day. >> we always love when you work the show's name in your conclusion. >> that is money. >> nat is great synergy. thanks so much, michael. great to talk to you. president-elect trump not just dealing with fall out from reports of russian interference in the election.
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china now says they have serious concerns after he's questioned the one china policy. is he being dismissive or smart about china? a former house intelligence community member weighs in.
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so, you've been hearing us talk about this. growing concerns this morning about russia meddling in the 2016 election. sources telling cnn that the u.s. intelligence committee is increasingly confident that russia, in fact, intended to help elect donald trump. let's discuss this and more with jane harmine who sat on all the
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congressional committees and now president and ceo of woodrow wilson center. nice to have you here. >> nice to be back. >> you just heard our conversation. this is what mr. trump has been saying about why he doesn't necessarily -- do we have about why he isn't trusting the intel, basically -- okay, let's play it. >> these are very good people that are giving me the briefings. and i say if something should change from this point, immediately call me. i'm available on one minute's notice. i don't have to be told, you know, i'm like a smart person. i don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years. could be eight years. but eight years. i don't need that. >> why he doesn't need briefingalize tbriefings all the time. he thinks it's ridiculous that the intel agencies have come to the consensus that russia was involved in this election and maybe for previous cycles, as
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well. do you question the intel? >> not really. let me explain what my experience is with that. i was the senior member democrat on the house intelligence committee on 9/11. and i saw after that the intel mess leading up to iraq. i believe the intelligence where they got it wrong. where sources were not corroborated. where some material was cherry picked and where we painted the picture, which i believed that saddam hussein was going to use weapons of mass destruction on his people and us. chemical weapons. i voted for the war. >> using that moment to say we can't trust them now. where is he wrong? >> that moment caused many of us in congress, not just me, reform the way we do intelligence estimates. and in 2004 a law passed that created the director of national intelligence who is the commander across 16 intel agencies and the way we do is
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much different and very accurate. we vet all of our sources and outside teams critiquing what the conclusions are. i am no longer working on the hill, but i do have top security clearance. i have been anned ed adviser to cia and committee since i left. not right now. the way this is done is extremely carefully and i have confidence that their high confidence is accurate. >> so, it has changed and that is something that donald trump doesn't seem to know. he is going back to 2004 saying they got it wrong and then they can't be trusted now. you're here to say, no, it is actually quite different. >> let me just add one more thing. it takes a while to understand intel speak. to get the language and to know what the briefers are really saying. he's getting higher level briefings than i ever got. it it took me a couple years and i was very serious about it. i would say getting regular
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intel briefings, you're not hearing the same things. you're hearing shades of difference and this is not like doing a business deal. this is keeping the country safe. it is absolutely critical, especially if you have any doubt that the briefing is accurate that you go underneath it and ask what the sources are and get some other people in the room and ask broader questions. >> i was wondering about that. they are repetitive. i hear the same thing every day. when something changes, they'll let me know. >> we have different issues. what the president-elect believes he needs on a daily basis to be up to speed and also what is motivating his pushback against pan apparent consensus. politics. he thinks saying russia was involved in the election means that his victory wasn't legitimate. that's what this seems to be about. >> i had a nonpartisan think tank. let's think about russia's
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they have the lowest credibility of anyone. >> we're in good company, because clinton and trump were the two lowest rated nominees ever in terms of credibility so everybody's taking a beating these days. you saw the president-elect here and there's no question what his m.o. is. he likes to bash the media. mr. trump's comments come as he dismisses reports that russia meddled in the u.s. election. remember there is consensus in the intelligence community that russia was involved. they have briefed congress members on both sides of the aisle, none of whom are questioning the intelligence, just donald trump and his people. let's discuss the dynamic at play. we have senior media correspondent brian stelter and senior media analyst bill carter. bill, the animosity between the politicians and the media is not new. >> not at all. >> the degree and the agenda with trump seems to be new. where do you see this going. >> i see it getting worse. i see it only ratcheting up. i think the media is now in a
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unique position of being the only power base not controlled by the republicans. and they have to -- they were always adversarial with the president. they are in a particularly difficult position now. they have to challenge this president and he's going to push back on every front. he's going to say they're not credible. he's going to challenge everything they report and there's a flood of fake news out there they have to kind of wade their way through. so it's an incredible challenge. i think the hostility is different from previous. because it's adversarial, yes, but this is real hostility. honest to god hostility. >> the effect of his message is to delegitimize journalism among a sizable portion of the american public. he and others like him skronch the ground, scorch the earth where quality journalism can grow and thrive. that's why so many journalists are on guard. at a conference over the weekend there was deep-seeded concerns. about this philosophical issue of deepening the credibility. >> and how much responsibility
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do we need to take? that we've got the election -- i say we, the media as a whole -- >> give people the wrong impression about the election before election. >> right so that does -- what does that mean? are we credible? do we have to fix things? how do we prove to people that we are trying to get the facts and get it right? >> i think there's within some self-inflicted wounds and there continue to be. trust is not -- you either have trust or not have trust. it is accumulated over years and it is eroded over years. so we need to gradually continue to gain trust back. >> but you can't be afraid. you can't back off. say well i'm nervous now and i'm going to be seen as partisan. you should be partisan about is the best interests of the united states -- >> going to call it out. you still have to call it out when you see hypocrisy or the facts not adding up, you have to. that's our job. >> we end with truth but truth is so confusing. we've got these alternate realities. all morning trying to re-establish the reality, about
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this russia situation. it gets muddied so quickly. so he's -- >> also think that you know these tactics work both ways. and i don't mean that in a red rib use way by the media and trump. the media does what it does what people need to understand and misperceive is we're not a monolith. the idea that the media is a joke i've never seen a group of people who like each other less than the media. >> stop. >> but -- >> that's not true! >> when is the last time the media wrote something good about you? we don't compliment each other very often. this is a competitive place. that's fine. that's how we work together. >> but i was -- >> you're saying that trump's tactics, what he's doing right now, is he's saying russia being involved is bad for me politically. >> right. >> i don't know that that's true by the way. but he believes it demonstrably that's why he's saying things like the democrats don't like my land slide victory. it's not a land slide. he lost the popular vote and his margin in the electoral college except for george w. bush is the lowest once we've seen since
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carter. however what is he doing. galvanizing opposition in places that he doesn't need it. republicans are working with democrats against a unified enemy of russia, right? on this fact finding purpose. they're going to find what the intel community found, bill, which is if russia was involved, sand then trump is the odd man. >> if they have the guts to step up and done investigation which is obviously required in this case. how can you oppose that? there's enough smoke you'd have to say let's get to the bottom of it. alarm bells should be going off. russians are messing with our elections. everybody should be concerned. it should not be a partisan issue. >> you know, one of the things that trump and his team have fastened on, look at these unnamed sources. that's what sean spicer says. look at this carl about russia meddling. but it's citing all sorts of anonymous sources. is that bad? should we stop using unnamed sources? does that call into question -- >> won't be able to report anything- >> it does further challenge our credibility. it requires us to try to explain to the audience why these
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sources can't speak on the record. especially if you're in the cia or close to the cia you simply cannot speak on the record. but we've got to explain that to people more clearly. think about the consequences of speaking on the record. one of the fears of this administration, as a prior administration, further leak investigations. further prosecutions of whistle-blowers. as "the new york times" said over the weekend the flip side is maybe more sources are going to be motivated to speak out. if they feel their conclusions are not being taken seriously by the president of the united states they need to be more motivated to use the press to communicate. >> unfortunately there could be a tipping point. he's attacked the press so much there could be a tipping point. his people are going to be formed. but at some point if you go all the way overboard you start to lose it and it could go the other way. >> you have a no brainer for the intel community i'm not saying why russia did this. that's going to be fairly tough to ascertain according to my own sources. but that they were involved is a no brainer for them. they came out with this back in october. >> right. >> it was ignored because of what was going on the maelstrom
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of the election. >> this is a government, chris, who systematically cheated in the olympics. you think they're not going to attempt to fool around with this contest? this is what they do. >> the head line should be does russia cheat at everything. >> exactly. >> maybe that's the head line. >> thank you very much. >> so what do you think about this? most importantly what do you think happens next? what's healthy for the country. what isn't. tweet us @newday, post your comment at there is a lot of news. let's get right to it. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it. >> what we do know is that russia hacked us. >> we could not see a single fact. >> i'm going after russia every way you can go after russia. >> conflicting information from the cia, and the fbi. >> take a look -- >> they're not sure. they're fighting among themselves. >> you can't make this issue partisan. >> it's too important. >> i fully understand the policy but i don't want china dictating to me. >> what he's doing is using the
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bully pulpit to try to -- on diplomatic issues. >> we need to make sure that the secretary of state, who represents u.s. interests. >> bob corker, many different types of people, but when you ask me about rex. he's a world class player. >> this is "new day." with chris croupo. and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to you "new day." first president-elect donald trump rejecting the cia's claim that russia influenced the u.s. election in his favor. he calls that a definite quote ridiculous now a group of key lawmakers planning a bipartisan investigation. >> trump is also angering china but this is a very different set of politics in play. he is refusing to apologize for speaking directly to taiwan's new leader while questioning why the u.s. even needs to adhere to pay one-china policy. officials in beijing firing back in an editorial in a mouthpiece media organization saying that trump is operating with the intelligence of an ignorant child. just 39 days to go before the
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inauguration. we have every angle covered. let's start with jason carroll live from trump tower in manhattan. good morning, jason. >> good morning to you, chris. the chinese government has made it very clear that the one-china policy is basically the bedrock between the u.s. and the united states. president-elect for his part, and a separate issue, also challenging u.s. intelligence showing that russia was behind the hacking during the election. >> i think it's ridiculous. i think it's just another excuse. i don't believe it. >> reporter: fiercely, the president-elect dismissing the intelligence community assessment that russia meddled in the election to help him win. >> they have no idea if it's russia or china. could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. >> reporter: claiming without offering specifics the analysis is politically motivated. >> i think the democrats are putting it o


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